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Other_Andy

Taxpayers pay £5 million for union ‘placemen’

Taxpayers are footing an annual wage bill of at least £5 million for full-time trade union officials placed inside the civil service.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8963221/Taxpayers-pay-5-million-for-union-placemen.html

Not only does the union collect money by deducting trade union subs directly from a civil servant’s pay packet but the government (taxpayer) also pays the union to “resolve workplace disputes, avert industrial tribunals and organise training course for staff”.

The unionised ‘civil service’ has now racked up £1.1 trillion in pensions liabilities

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/13/uk-britain-liabilities-idUKTRE76B73J20110713

The fact that the UK is now £4.8 trillion in debt is worrying some people like Martin Durkin from Channel 4 who dares to point out that this really isn’t a good thing.

Of course The Grundian questions why Channel 4 is not more like the BBC, the ‘Independent’ and, well, the Grundian itself.
You know, Keynesian, ‘liberal’, ‘progressive’, pro-Europe, pro-union, anti-US, dare I say Socialist.
But at least they admit:
“It is probably fair to say that Martin Durkin, the maker of last night’s documentary Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story (Channel 4), and the Guardian are not natural bedfellows.”

Last night’s TV: Britain’s Trillion Pound Horror Story and Misfits

http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2010/nov/12/britains-trillion-pound-horror-story-tv-review

No compelling counter argument though….
Move on, nothing to see here folks.
Don’t worry, be happy.
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December 18, 2011 8:14am
Scott Chris

Wow! Voting fraud in Waitakere!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773840

>> “A judge has found nine people voted twice and 393 people voted despite not being on the electoral roll.”

Can’t trust a fucking Westie.
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December 18, 2011 8:19am
plebe

Thank god for the race commissioner joris de Bres (he really earns his salary) for hightlighting the perils of getting wrapping papper. A knighthood for de Bres i say.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6157295/Golliwog-paper-a-race-issue
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December 18, 2011 8:22am
Other_Andy

Questions over Waitakere vote

Evidence of dodgy voting has emerged in the battle for Waitakere. A judge has found nine people voted twice and 393 people voted despite not being on the electoral roll.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773840

Now what will be done with those nine people?
Who were they?
Who did they vote for?

Interesting………..
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December 18, 2011 8:22am
Pete George

Matt McCarten didn’t quite get his revolution through Occupy. And he didn’t get it through the election. So he looks at how to advance it in his latest column.

His Anti Asset Sales protest revival seems to be yet another attempt at socialist revolution?

With those that ‘aren’t worthy’ of course.

“Those people who feel voting is beneath them can now prove they are worthy citizens”. Yeah, join Matt’s class war.
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December 18, 2011 8:23am
Keeping Stock

Joris de Bres is making news again. Surely it’s time that the Key-led government stopped clicking his ticket; he is totally out of step as to what constitutes racism or offence.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/12/offensive-to-whom-joris.html
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December 18, 2011 8:33am
Other_Andy

@PG

Well, marxists such as McCarten have three votes
1. Through the ballot box
2. Trough the unions
3. Trough violent in your face didruptive direct action.
It has worked in the not so distant past.
They have convinced themselves, and their stooges, that they are right the end justifies the means
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December 18, 2011 8:35am
Other_Andy

Beaten by the clock….
didruptive = disruptive
that they are right the end justifies the means = that they are right and that the end justifies the means.
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December 18, 2011 8:42am
Scott Chris

Extremist Catholic Slasher Desecrates Sacred Billboard:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773887

How could he be so insensitive to the feelings of fundamentalist capitalists? Despoiling our God given right to advertise. I’m so appalled I’m going to go and spend some money in the Holy Supermarket, and only buy well marketed products!!

But seriously, surely Mary was pregnant whether she was raped by God or whether Joseph planted the seed?
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December 18, 2011 8:44am
Manolo

Joris de Bres, a communist stooge who should be fired immediately, saving the taxpayer a few million dollars.

Why does the Labour lite government continue to waste money and tolerate this crap? The Race Relations quango should be disbanded and its members dismissed.
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December 18, 2011 8:57am
JamesS

Do not mean to say “I told you so” but last week I said there would be Labour party voting fraud in Waitakere which would see National regain the seat. I was (as always) correct – even though I got demerit points for saying something bad about the Labour party(!). Excellent that Paula is back although a bit surprised at the number of folk who were not enrolled who voted.
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December 18, 2011 8:57am
reid

Awesome nature, awesome people

http://www.youtube.com/v/EEu42L0ufBY%26rel%3d0%26hl%3den_US%26feature%3dplayer_embedded%26version%3d3
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December 18, 2011 8:58am
Falafulu Fisi

William Hewlett and Dave Packard founded Hewlett-Packard in a garage in the mid 1930s. Multimillion/billion dollar equipments weren’t required in order to develop products they initially commercialized. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak founded Apple computer in the garage of Jobs’s parents. The products they were developing didn’t require Multimillion/billion dollar equipments to commercialize their ideas. There are many garage startups examples like these that went on to be great successful businesses as they are today.

Now, Social workers and CYF workers have somehow, think that any invention related to dark energy technology can somehow be achieved cheaply in a garage, similar to what founders of Hewlett-Packard, Apple Computer, Google and may others had done. Unbeknown to social workers, that researches into dark energy require very expensive gadgets and equipments which can run into Multimillion/billion dollar costs. So, the idea of someone inventing dark energy technology cheaply in some secret garage somewhere is absurd or at best a nutjob. However, this is understandable, because social workers as they’re just simpleton have/had never seen the inside of what an R&D technology development facility is. Such facility is packed with multi-million dollar equipments.

Anyway, here is some good reading for simpleton Social Workers here on Kiwiblog as they are misguided in their belief that dark matter/energy are somehow outside the laws of physics. Social workers think that dark matter/energy must be unknown entities that somehow obey God’s physics of non-existence (ie, those unknown entities don’t have identities so they must be nothing). Nothingness means physically non-existence. Anyone who thinks otherwise (as social workers) is delusional and demented.

Now, here is a Dark matter paper for dummies (social workers):

Particle Dark Matter: Evidence, Candidates and Constraint

R&D on dark matter/energy technology can’t be done in a garage.
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December 18, 2011 9:02am
Pete George

I doubt there’s much if any voter fraud, most are likely to be mistakes or not knowing correct procedures.
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December 18, 2011 9:03am
Other_Andy

While we are busy partly selling state assetts can the Auckland City Council please sell ALL of the ‘Ports of Auckland Limited’?
No need for a mixed ownership model here.
The sooner we get rid of it the better.

Wharfie war hits stalemate

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6157180/Wharfie-war-hits-stalemate
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December 18, 2011 9:04am
JamesS

Keeping stock 8:33 – regarding the question of ‘offensive to whom’ the lefties have cooked the books, so to speak.

What it comes down to now is whether something is offensive according to current mores and values ie: whatever the left hysterically scream about becomes conventional wisdom; going against that causes offence.

The fact that good decent ordinary people laughed about something 50 years ago and no one was offended is irrelevant.
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December 18, 2011 9:04am
reid

Another attack on the family unit:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773881

They often use celebs as vanguards since they know lots of useful idiots admire and want to emulate them, for some reason. I know. But it’s true. Some people are actually like that.
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December 18, 2011 9:08am
Other_Andy

Pete George (11,974) Says:

“I doubt there’s much if any voter fraud, most are likely to be mistakes or not knowing correct procedures.”

If any?
What about those nine people who voted twice?
Did they make a mistake or did they not know the correct procedures?
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December 18, 2011 9:08am
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris said…
How could he be so insensitive to the feelings of fundamentalist capitalists?

Uhh! Property rights violations.
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December 18, 2011 9:09am
JamesS

Reid 9:09am – agree with you entirely; fancy the Herald even running a story with such an appalling premise.
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December 18, 2011 9:12am
hj

Catherine Delahunty needs to explain:

The Green Party’s Treaty of Waitangi spokesperson is promising to be a champion for the treaty during her next three years as an MP.

Catherine Delahunty keeps the party’s treaty portfolio, which she has held since 2008.

She says more work needs to be done so people respect, use and acknowledge Aotearoa’s founding document.

There also needs to be a increase in education so people know the treaty is for everyone.

Ms Delahunty says there have been occasions when she’s heard people talk about the treaty as if it was just an issue for Maori rather than all New Zealanders.

The country can’t continue to allow many young Maori to feel they are not respected and that there is no place for them, she says.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/93980/green-mp-to-be-standard-bearer-fro-treaty-of-waitangi
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December 18, 2011 9:13am
Pete George

Other_Andy – yes, you’d expect people would be aware of voting twice but I wouldn’t rule out confusion over procedures there either. Of course some could be deliberate but I doubt that adds up to much, and as the recount has shown they can be found out easily enough when it matters.
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December 18, 2011 9:19am
Pete George

hj – respect is earned, it isn’t a right, and certainly cannot be endowed via a treaty.
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December 18, 2011 9:21am
Scott Chris

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6157295/Golliwog-paper-a-race-issue

Thing about Golliwogs that some people seem to miss, is that whilst the origins of the term were fairly innocuous, the word “Golliwog” evolved to become a racial slur like Nigger. In many cases it was shortened to Wog.

So the poor old Golliwog doll, which is pretty harmless in itself, became a racist symbol through semantic drift. In effect, it is has become a Nigger Doll.

That is why it is offensive to some people. Personally, I think Golliwog wrapping paper is quite funny, but I can live without it.
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December 18, 2011 9:25am
Viking2

Wonder if wonder boy Banks will insist and getting rid of De bree’ze and his rantings and all those around his little golden pay cheque that i object to paying for.

Now there is a thought.
How about each taxpayer gets a choice of what they want to pay for?

That would be fun to do.
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December 18, 2011 9:27am
Viking2

Not quite right Scott.
Wogs was the term used by troops in Egypt and surronds during WW2.
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December 18, 2011 9:28am
Other_Andy

@PG

“Of course some could be deliberate but I doubt that adds up to much, and as the recount has shown they can be found out easily enough when it matters.”

It always matters, no matter how small the numbers!
Free and fair elections are at the very core of a democracy.
Every one of those nine should be investigated publicly and thoroughly.
Deliberate voting fraud should be punished severely, not only with fines but with prison sentences.
The system must be seen to work.
This election 9, the next election 90, the next election……
Root them out and expose them.
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December 18, 2011 9:30am
backster

Pete George (11,974) Says:

“I doubt there’s much if any voter fraud, most are likely to be mistakes or not knowing correct procedures.”

If any?

He’s joking surely, the system is so loose,sloppy, and antiquated it is an invitation to fraud. We know one Labour Indian was responsible for 36 fraudulent votes during the Auckland Mayoral election. Now we have 393 voters not even on any roll having their votes counted, one wonders why the officials go through the pantomime of ruling a line through a voters’s name on one copy of the roll and issuing a little sticker saying ‘I have voted’.The Electoral Commission seems more interested in getting as many names on the roll as possible than ensuring the integrity of the roll and subsequently the election, surely its time there was a electronic master roll with eligibility cut-off a month before the election and direct electronic voting.
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December 18, 2011 9:30am
grumpyoldhori

Time for white M/F wrapping paper ? if not why not ?
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December 18, 2011 9:31am
Falafulu Fisi

V2 suggest,

How about each taxpayer gets a choice of what they want to pay for?

Yep, I’m sure that socialists and state-worshipers such as Weihana ~~Bernard~~ Hickey would be in, since he thinks that the state’s role is to look after those who can’t afford to pay for education and health.
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December 18, 2011 9:32am
Viking2

Another ludite Green.

Twenty-five years after New Zealand’s first cochlear implant, many deaf people are still torn over whether to welcome this miracle invention or grieve over the loss of their supportive – and exclusive – sign-language community.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773878

Deaf MP pushing for tech upgrade
By Adam Bennett
5:30 AM Friday Dec 16, 2011

Mojo Mathers will be relying on the “far from ideal” solution of electronic note taking to follow proceedings in Parliament when she takes her place there next week as New Zealand’s first profoundly deaf MP.

But Ms Mathers hopes a more advanced “cap relay” service providing near real time captioning for Parliamentary TV, which would also allow the other 700,000 hearing impaired New Zealanders to follow Parliament better, will be provided before long.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773497

And also like all Greens an embellisher of the truth.
According to that year’s census, nearly 25,000 people use NZ sign language. The Government now uses sign language interpreters in Parliament and for major speeches and announcements –

Note the difference. 25K say they use sign language accordinbg to the census. 700k according to the Greens, ok that includes people like me who do what they should and wear hearing aids.

What is patently obvious is that there is a turf war between two factions with one faction wanting to protect their dissability patch and hence funding.
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December 18, 2011 9:34am
Manolo

Now hug another tree, Scott Chris. 🙂
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December 18, 2011 9:36am
Viking2

FF it would also mean the you and I could refuse to fund socialist ideals, public service crap,benefits,Joris the Bree’ze et al.
Now that wopuld be a fine thing to see.
Don’t you think?
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December 18, 2011 9:39am
Elaycee

Viking2 says: “According to that year’s census, nearly 25,000 people use NZ sign language” ….. “700k according to the Greens, ok that includes people like me who do what they should and wear hearing aids.”

I suspect that a far greater percentage of the population understands sign.

If you don’t believe me, then flip the bird a few times as you pass cars on the Auckland Motorway and watch the results! 😀
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December 18, 2011 9:39am
Luc Hansen

Re Christopher Hitchens

My Mum always told me never to speak ill of the dead, in which case I’ve nothing to say.

Peace be upon him.
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December 18, 2011 9:40am
hj

The country can’t continue to allow many young Maori to feel they are not respected and that there is no place for them, she says.
…….
Catherine Delahunty would mean: young Maori from a culturally fundamentalist point of view as tangata whenua above tauiwi (foreigners in this land).
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December 18, 2011 9:42am
hj

Greens selectively quote the Savings working group:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/6152140/Greens-say-housing-report-opposed-to-CGT

the savings working group also blamed immigration for high house prices and said it hadn’t increased incomes.

“Antiimmgration sentiment has noe place in the Green party says Mr Locke.”
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December 18, 2011 9:46am
Other_Andy

@hj

Logic never has been Keith’s forte.
He is a politcal demagogue, a typical ‘Green’ Party member.
Supply and demand is a capitalist construct.
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December 18, 2011 9:50am
Manolo

With all dues respect, will this ever end? http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8391492/pike-families-push-for-body-recovery
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December 18, 2011 9:52am
Elaycee

hj says: “..Antiimmgration sentiment has noe place in the Green party says Mr Locke.”

Locke??? There is no such quote in the linked article as Locke has gone anyway.

Gween propagandist much, hj?
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December 18, 2011 9:57am
Viking2

Looks like Espiner is robbing the craddle.

Also getting married over summer is new 60 Minutes reporter Guyon Espiner, 40, the current TVNZ political editor, to Emma Wehipeihana, 26, in Golden Bay in February.iner is robbing the craddle.
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December 18, 2011 9:59am
Viking2

Elaycee (1,929) Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:39

You are talking about that International of all peace signs then. 😮
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December 18, 2011 10:00am
pollywog

*sigh*…from the linked paper on dark matter.

1.6 Links with Physics Beyond the Standard Model

The concepts of dark energy and dark matter do not find an explanation in the framework of the StandardModel of particle physics. Nor are they understood in any quantitative sense in terms of astrophysics. It is interesting that also in the realm of particle physics, evidence is accumulating for the existence of physics beyond the Standard Model, based on theoretical and perhaps experimental arguments.

Meaning they need not neccessarily be made up of elementary particles fitting the standard model and behave as matter/anti matter particles do in pair production. That there is evidence to suggest physics beyond what we know, also suggests that whatever exists there need not be governed by physical laws as we know them so far and be logically consistent with Einsteins equations.

That new physics can be postulated theoretically is to say research can be done in ones garage without requiring millions of dollars. That physics may imply a symmetric partner to dark matter in the form of anti dark matter that may then correlate consistent behaviour for subsequent fundamental particles to behave accordingly with what is known to exist using current physics.

From there to experimental research would require investment to prove, but those multi million dollar experiments using the super collider at Cern can prove that using standard laws of conservation and momentum do not apply to dark matter and thus not show up in any experimental findings.

Dark matter is therefore a motivation to search for physics beyond the Standard Model (others might say that this is evidence for physics beyond the Standard Model).

This is a typical example of the strong interplay between particle physics, theoretical physics, cosmology and astrophysics. From one side, theoretical particle physics stimulates the formulation of new theories predicting new particles that turn out to be excellent dark matter candidates. On the other side, cosmological and astrophysical observations constrain the properties of such particles and consequently the parameters of the new theories.

Given that so much is unknown and upon proof of the nature and behaviour of dark matter/energy, it is entirely possible to then construct technology to harness said energy from materials readily available to the average consumer. Probable ?…maybe not but not impossible as has been inferred.

The point being, hand waving and protesting against the possiblity comes from a perspective of extreme ignorance given that what someone thinks is not what is known to be true and can be proven.
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December 18, 2011 10:03am
Pauleastbay

Luc

Hitch had the intelligence to grow up and move away from marxisim.

Just a shame there aren’t more people with the brains to grow up and move on
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December 18, 2011 10:03am
Other_Andy

EthicalOil.org will be launching radio ads across Canada encouraging Canadians to stand up for ethical, Canadian oil and boycott Chiquita for their decision to rely on conflict oil from some of the world’s most odious regimes.

http://www.ethicaloil.org/

Breaking: OPEC fans show support for Obama

Niqab-clad OPEC supporters turned up at the United States embassy on Thursday to thank American president Barack Obama for blocking the proposed Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada, ensuring ongoing support for conflict oil from OPEC countries.
Shrouded in black cloth from head-to-toe, just as women are required to do by law whenever leaving their homes in the OPEC country of Saudi Arabia — if they have gained permission from a male guardian to leave their home, that is — the women handed out postcards, inviting passersby to mail the “thank you” notes to president Obama.
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December 18, 2011 10:07am
pollywog

Nothingness means physically non-existence. Anyone who thinks otherwise (as social workers) is delusional and demented.

something i wrote ages ago on the nature of truth and reality as it applies to nothing in particular…

nothing is perfect
in the space where nothing exists
will one find perfection
the perfect nothing

accept nothing as fact
question everything
determine your own truth
define your own reality

http://pollywannacracka.blogspot.com/2006/06/truth-and-reality.html
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December 18, 2011 10:14am
hj

Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says.
“We have no fear of migrants. The Green Party says ‘Welcome Home – this is your country now’. Our welcome extends to the families of new migrants. The Green Party policy is fundamentally humanitarian, not exclusionary like Mr Peters’.

http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy

So the Greens have a non exclusionary population policy? Perhaps they aren’t acquainted with population biology?
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December 18, 2011 10:23am
pollywog

An example of a ‘garage’ theorist, who may have just revolutionised standard model physics with a view to postulating a grand unifying theory with his e8 lie group…Garrett Lisi

The physical requirements for conducting scholarly research have changed dramatically with the rise of the internet. It is now viable for researchers with laptop computers to work autonomously – with access to current articles and communication channels on par with the resources available at large universities. These new circumstances motivate the creation of a new kind of research enterprise: a Science Hostel. By providing places to live and work with other researchers, in beautiful locations, a Science Hostel could increase creative productivity and overall quality of life for scholars in the internet age

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antony_Garrett_Lisi
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December 18, 2011 10:25am
holysheet

Wog = western oriental gentleman = of arab origin
Wop = western oriental prick = of arab origin that you don’t like
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December 18, 2011 10:27am
pollywog

…and with that

i’m off to check the floodwaters have subsided so i can get my road scooter out, go tiki touring around, get some supplies in and just enjoy the sun, the sea, the wind and marvel at the forces of nature in gneral

cooped up here entertaining you good folk does not a happy tadpole make 🙂

life is good…enjoy it if you can
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December 18, 2011 10:32am
Pauleastbay

Pollywog

Please take as long as you like, perhaps go via Greymouth .
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December 18, 2011 10:34am
Elaycee

V2 says: “..You are talking about that International of all peace signs then… ”

I suspect that the vertically raised single digit will have greater effect…

But I’m not really at the front of the queue wishing to test the theory on the Auckland Motorway… ! 🙂
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December 18, 2011 10:34am
Elaycee

IIRC, the term ‘pollywog’ also refers to someone who hasn’t crossed the equator (and been ‘blessed’ by Neptune).

That figures.

Its often revealing how travel to other countries and experiencing their cultures (even for a short time) can broaden the mind.
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December 18, 2011 10:38am
pollywog

Please take as long as you like, perhaps go via Greymouth .

hah…i was gonna blat down to Christchurch on friday but i guess God didn’t want me to go.

Be pure, Be vigilant, BEHAVE !!!

http://pollywannacracka.blogspot.com/2007_01_01_archive.html
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December 18, 2011 10:42am
Falafulu Fisi

PW, here is what you have to grasp your understanding with regarding the basic fundamental concepts of existence. Momentum & Energy Conservation (MEC) is not some concepts that only belongs to classical physics (Newtonian) or (Relativity/Quantum Mechanics) . Any new theories that will be invented int the future will comply with these fundamental laws of nature. General Relativity & QM both overthrown classical Newtonian, yet both of them (GR &QM) still obey MEC. It means that they have not overthrown reality itself.

For an object to exist in reality (Physically) it must NOT be nothing. If it is NOT nothing, then it must have an identity. And any new theories that will be discovered in the future, will still comply with fundamental laws of existence of MEC, if they’re not complied with MEC, then the theory should be dismissed because no objects can just materialize into existence from thin air, unless you’re a God believer.

I can see your confusion stems from your Physics misunderstanding that if something that hasn’t been discovered or fit in to current theories because they haven’t been able to account for certain observations, then therefore they’re outside our current laws of physics and thus don’t obey MEC. Any claim that some real objects violate MEC must be treated as some imagination and not real objects.

You pasted the following:

The concepts of dark energy and dark matter do not find an explanation in the framework of the StandardModel of particle physics.

The stadard model (SM) is a wide concept. MEC fundamental principles still apply. It doesn’t mean that if we can’t explain dark energy/matter with SM, then dark entity must be non-compliant with MEC. As I said, that any claim that some objects don’t comply with MEC, must be dismissed straight away, since it implies nothingness. All physical theories have evolved had evolved since Newton’s days, however all of them still comply with MEC. Different formuations & formulas but they all contain the fundamental universal laws of existence, ie, momentum/energy conservations. Again, I’ll reiterate it here, any new physical theories to be discovered in the future with different formulations & equations compared to our current theories must still obey MEC or otherwise those objects predicted by such theories can’t exist physically. Any object that doesn’t obey MEC has no identity. An entity that has no identity doesn’t (physically) exist.

I feel that I have exhausted my energy in trying to explain universal MEC laws in simple terms for you to understand but you still don’t get it.

Can any Kiwiblog reader here let me know if my explanation is clear enough or not? I want to hear from others, since I believe I’m repeating myself over and over to explain to Polly but he still doesn’t get it.

Hands up those who understand my explanation? If some of you do understand, can you perhaps simplify my explanation here so Polly can understand. If some of you still don’t understand what I’m explaining, then please tell me of where I should focus my clarification on so you can all understand. If all of you understand my explanation, but only Polly who doesn’t understand, then it is clear to me that I shouldn’t be doing any further explaination since Polly will never understand. Perhaps I could call upon my 9 & 10 year old calculus students to come in here to explain to Polly the simple concept of MEC.

Given that so much is unknown and upon proof of the nature and behaviour of dark matter/energy, it is entirely possible to then construct technology to harness said energy from materials readily available to the average consumer. Probable ?…maybe not but not impossible as has been inferred.

Uhh! You say, Entirely possible. Again, what do you based that on? You say materials, but aren’t those supposed materials are dark, that you cannot harnessed them because you don’t get access to them in a garage.
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December 18, 2011 10:45am
Viking2

Elaycee (1,931) Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am

IIRC, the term ‘pollywog’ also refers to someone who hasn’t crossed the equator (and been ‘blessed’ by Neptune).

That figures.

Its often revealing how travel to other countries and experiencing their cultures (even for a short time) can broaden the mind.

Ah true elaycee.
I noted that was a descriotion of a pollywog but failed definitely to make the link.

PEB
please alter your instructions to polly of the wog to now take his scooter trip to Haast, Invergiggle there to join a ship the is heading for many foreign shores. The trip must include crossing the equator an board sadi ship.

By the time he returns he might have lost his funny tadpole tail and morhped into a muppet in the class of Kermit. Never be as good of course but can sometimes be entertaining.

Pollywog. on your extended travels you are not allowed to mate with any foreign frogs and bring them home. We value our extensive wildlife and do not need any crossbreds thankyou.
DOC will luv you for that.

Take your seasick pills.
Bye for now.
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December 18, 2011 10:48am
Brian Smaller

Vikign2

Twenty-five years after New Zealand’s first cochlear implant, many deaf people are still torn over whether to welcome this miracle invention or grieve over the loss of their supportive – and exclusive – sign-language community.

This technology is not always the wonder-thing of the age. My deaf niece finally had the cochlear implant but in one ear only, and it failed and she totally lost what little hearing she had. She decided to not have it in the other ear. Like all medical and surgical techniques – not every ending is happy.
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December 18, 2011 10:49am
Brian Smaller

Wop = another name for Italians. I should know as I am half wop.
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December 18, 2011 10:53am
Falafulu Fisi

PW

An example of a ‘garage’ theorist, who may have just revolutionised standard model physics with a view to postulating a grand unifying theory with his e8 lie group

Again, your misunderstanding & ignorance is quite unbelievable. Einstein invented his GR theories in a garage (metaphorically) and so as others who helped to revolutionalize physics in the early days. To turn their theories into technology require very expensive equipment to build, develop & test. Researchers share their papers on the internet today much faster and easier for others to get access to. However writing a paper in your living room or in an isolated island somewhere is not the same thing as developing technology using the theories published by someone in a reputable journal.

How do you develop technology using General Relativity in a garage?

Answer: You build a GPS communication satellite then launch it into space from your garage. Yep, your mobile phone and other GPS technology relies on GR.

Give it up pollywog. I have exposed the deficiency of your knowledge but you still coming back so I can knock your head over. Aren’t you embarrassed?
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December 18, 2011 10:55am
adze

Fala
PW appears to be appealing to a “God of the gaps” type argument; where if some phenomenon cannot be explained under current theoretical models, then we must accept the possibility that our current understanding of physical laws – upon which those models are predicated – may be flawed or incomplete. Leaving the way open for some possible future revolutionary discovery that completely replaces (or encompasses) current understanding.
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December 18, 2011 11:12am
Scott Chris

“Hitch had the intelligence to grow up and move away from marxisim.”

Wrong. You do know that Marxism isn’t socialism don’t you?

>>In 2006, in a town hall meeting in Pennsylvania debating the Jewish Tradition with Martin Amis, Hitchens commented on his political philosophy by stating, “I am no longer a socialist, but I still am a Marxist”.

>>In a June 2010 interview with The New York Times, he stated that “I still think like a Marxist in many ways. I think the materialist conception of history is valid. I consider myself a very conservative Marxist”.

http://www.youtube.com/v/K6rRA64f9ug&hl=en&fs=1

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/06/magazine/06fob-q4-t.html?_r=1
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December 18, 2011 11:12am
Falafulu Fisi

Adze…

Leaving the way open for some possible future revolutionary discovery that completely replaces (or encompasses) current understanding.

Adze, I suspect that Pollywong’s ways of thinking & argument are based on that premise. Its valid but misguided.

There’s no doubt that new theories will be proposed & sprung up over years and decades to come. Those theories will come new equations (on their own), no doubt, however because they will be physical theories, they must contain fundamental universal laws as MEC (momentum/energy conservation) to be regarded as physical (in the sense that they describe existence).

Quantum Mechanics (QM) and General Relativity (GR) have some shortfalls, which lead to development of new research branches as Quantum Gravity (to unify GR and QM) and String Theory. The point is? New laws & new equations that were not available in GR or QM, have been proposed in these new fields of research. Do those new theories comply with MEC? Definitely, because these are physical theories (to describe existence) and not God theories which is (physcially) untestable.
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December 18, 2011 11:27am
tom hunter

Hands up those who understand my explanation?

^.

What you’re dealing with FF, is the concept that a person “smart enough” to uncover hidden gender and racial constructs in Pippi Longstocking, is also smart enough to talk about physics theory. After all, despite it’s mathematical foundations it’s still just words and narrative, and those can be mastered, even if they weren’t in Form 4/Year 10, after which the subject was dropped.

In short, who cares about the fundamental principles that underlie the structure. You see the same thing in the AGW debates, with countless people who dropped science decades earlier, jumping into the fray and throwing around surface words and arguments.

I would not say that you should give it up, but you’re going to have to accept the fact that PW will be back tomorrow saying exactly the same things, and the day after that, and the day after that,….. After all, look at how PhilU has not changed either his approach or general opinions or hedged his various election predictions despite being proved wrong time and time again. ‘Dat’s da bloglife for ya!

Which means that you’ll just have to be around to jump on the nonsense again for the benefit of other readers. But from the looks of things there are a number of people with science degrees (more than one in physics apparently) who can fill in for you.
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December 18, 2011 11:40am
Brian Harmer

The more I read about the people and the processes of the EQC, the less confidence I have in them. This really smells, and I just don’t believe their denials, either about this instance, or about the openness and integrity of their hiring processes. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/6157329/Twinked-form-upsets-Canterbury-quake-victim
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December 18, 2011 11:45am
Scott Chris

Falafulu Fisi says:- “Again, your misunderstanding & ignorance is quite unbelievable.”

What’s the point in saying that? Do you expect the person it is addressed to to give you a rational response, or retaliate with some counter-abuse.

Want an ad hom war? Okay, I’ll give you one.

Fact is, your pretentious posting of pseudo-intellectual half baked pap science simply betrays your insecurity and superficial intellect.

And you are egocentric almost to the point of autism.
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December 18, 2011 12:04pm
reid

The 1899 Harvard Entrance Exam

http://spectrum.columbiaspectator.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/harvardexam.pdf
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December 18, 2011 12:35pm
Pauleastbay

“Hitch had the intelligence to grow up and move away from marxisim.”

Wrong. You do know that Marxism isn’t socialism don’t you?
……………………………………………………….

Oh hum, you are tedious and boring and and sad if you garner your information from youtube and the NYTimes.

Read his autobiography, you do I presume know that an autobiography is written by the subject, I presume, then again, as you consistently prove on here you know fuck all, I’ll presume nothing.
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December 18, 2011 12:49pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris…

Fact is, your pretentious posting of pseudo-intellectual half baked pap science simply betrays your insecurity and superficial intellect.

So, a person with a Physics PhD and 2 patents in photonics (in the US) is somehow a pseudo-intellectual, huh?

And you sir (Scott Chris Hickey) who claimed to be an expert in Semantic analysis as a profession is something of real intellectual? Take a look at the bullshit that you have quoted here. Look Scott Chris Hickey, your profession is clearly a pseudo-intellectual mumbo-jumbo bullshit. Do you also do morris dancing during your semantic analysis?

I asked you in that same GD blog thread if you use any software for the method of Deerwester’s Semantic Analysis, but you didn’t answer. I was asking because I could help you out with computational semantic analysis, since I do have experience in this area of Computational Linguistics. This is the types of software that the CIA, NSA, Pentagon and other security agency services are currently using at the moment to track internet threats to national security. They don’t employ pseudo-intellectual bullshit artist like you. They employ mathematicians/stiatisticians/computer-scientists/physicists to develop such application. Oh, and the software application is much faster than a human analyst such as yourself because the system has to scour millions of internet documents to automatically interpret their semantics and raise alarm if any national security threat is detected.

Kiwiblogger commentator Ciaron had exposed you here on this thread as a fake pseudo-intellectual bullshit artist when he asked you if you had studied fluid mechanics, because of the nonsense you’ve spouted on that thread.

I’ve also exposed you on this thread for your misunderstanding of Einstein on his position on Quantum Mechanics.

The reason I call you Scott Hickey because of your tendency/urge to always say something at all time in all the discussions here at Kiwiblog whether relevant or irrelevant, because you think you’re intellectual.

Sir, you should realize that you’re a pseudo-intellectual semantic analyst and you should also know your limitations. You must desist the urge to post something when you in fact know that you don’t have the brain to defend your argument. I mean that you should stop being a pretentious as if you know.
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December 18, 2011 12:54pm
Manolo

Well said, Falafulu. I suspect Scott Chris will be drowning his sorrows by hugging yet another tree.
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December 18, 2011 1:02pm
reid

Interesting possibilities from a vet re: special forces beginning to question what the hell the govt has been doing. Perhaps the execution of those involved in the OBL raid might have pushed this along a bit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmIzJ0eGSYs&feature=share

The ESF: the power behind the Fed and why it’s done such an appalling job:

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2011/06/the-esf-and-its-history.html
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December 18, 2011 1:20pm
bereal

Another dreary rainy day in Auckland.
Brightened up on Kiwiblog GD by,1, pollywog posts half a dozen loads of puke, gets no bites so fucks off.
and 2, Scott Chris is once again totally exposed as an empty space by a couple of lines by Pauleastbay.
Well done.

One fly in the ointment though,
Pete George, how do you figure that election fraud is a small issue of
no consequence ?

Didn’t you get it that election fraud in Waitakere almost cost a genuinely elected representative
of the people her rightfull seat and allowed a cheating imposter a seat in our parliament.

In my opinion election fraud is a most serious offence and deserves serious punishment.
You have that quite wrong Pete.

Reid, awesome nature/people, brilliant clip. Thanks.
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December 18, 2011 1:40pm
Scott Chris

Fala fulla shit reckons he’s “a person with a Physics PhD and 2 patents in photonics.”

Lol. Yeah right! If you need to say it, you ain’t got it.

Still, if you don’t want me to attack you then don’t attack other people.
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December 18, 2011 1:40pm
Scott Chris

Then up pops beryl with his usual semi-literate diatribe.

Go back to school beryl. Like eastbay, you have no idea what Marxism is or what Hitchens stood for.

Fool.
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December 18, 2011 1:42pm
bereal

And now i see Scott was also buried by Falafulu, even deeper.
Very well done FF

And so the name calling and invective begins.
Scott Chris, a real class act. Not.
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December 18, 2011 1:46pm
Pauleastbay

What did Hitchens stand for?

And no running off and quoting wiki fucking pedia, original thoughts , a struggle I know. You’ve been totally owned by FF again ,its a bit like the sun rising ,it happens every day.
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December 18, 2011 1:56pm
Luc Hansen

Paul, even Hitchens didn’t know what he stood for.
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December 18, 2011 2:02pm
Pauleastbay

Luc

Maybe, but he always had an argument, not some generalization, and he had walked the walk. I believe his time in Cuba was the breaker for any adherence to the hard left.
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December 18, 2011 2:06pm
Manolo

I have never smoked in my life, but respect the right of others to do so. Bad news for smokers thanks to the rapacious Labour lite government, the party of low taxes: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10773832&ref=rss
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December 18, 2011 2:11pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris…

Still, if you don’t want me to attack you then don’t attack other people.

No Scott, I don’t mind being attacked, but don’t cry-baby when I hit back. Oh, BTW, how do I know that you’re an expert Semantic analyst rather than a social worker?
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December 18, 2011 2:13pm
plebe

grumpyoldhori (2,043) Says:

December 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Time for white M/F wrapping paper ? if not why not ?

I would buy this white motherffucker wrapping paper(its top quality)made by asians
CAUTION no whities were kicked or bashed to death by gollywogs making this wrapping paper(see the above worker statment)made by asians
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December 18, 2011 2:19pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott, the following may be useful to you.

Indexing by Latent Semantic Analysis (LSA).

There are more advanced methods/algorithms that have been published in recent years that perform better (in terms of recall/precision capabilities) than the SVD described in the paper above. If you’re interested, then I can cite you more or direct you to text cluster/classification/search software that you can use.
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December 18, 2011 2:25pm
Weihana

bereal,

The name calling begins? Falafulu has abused plenty of people on this blog. It seems impossible for people to have a simple disagreement with him without him denouncing such people as idiots and morons. Indeed he seems to have started obsessing over moi and mentions me even when I’m not here. A very insecure individual indeed.

Personally I find the claim that he has a PhD a little unbelievable. I would expect such a person to be capable of deriving 1/2mv^2 from special relativity. He mangled that up quite a bit and that’s relatively basic compared to a PhD in photonics. I sure hope he does have one otherwise his need to constantly bignote himself would seem rather sad.
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December 18, 2011 2:29pm
Weihana

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/6157298/Alcohol-price-finding-challenged

As I’ve suspected, price increases for alcohol would likely only reduce consumption in the wrong areas (e.g. among moderate drinkers) but do little to dissuade people from binge drinking.

It’s disconcerting that the research has been denounced by a alcohol health promotion group. If we want to reduce the harm alcohol causes then we must reject methods that don’t work in favour of things that do work otherwise we’ll get nowhere.
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December 18, 2011 2:33pm
Scott Chris

“What did Hitchens stand for”

Hitchens stood for Hitchens. When it suited him, he espoused some liberal ideals, such as opposing the war on drugs, but on the other hand he was a military interventionist.

And he hated religion with a passion, and used to use his sharp wit to bash it. Like Pat Condell. Intolerant assholes, like a few of their quarry.

He was the quintessential ‘inner child’ most of the time, but often reiterated his historically materialist view, which is essentially Marxist.

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Incidentally, if I got ‘owned’ by falafulla shit, what exactly did he prove? Reasserting Beryl’s gibberish doesn’t make something true now does it?
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December 18, 2011 2:42pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott, you had conceded to me here. Anyway, I’ve posted something useful for your reading in my previous post. I thought that you would be interested since it is related to your field.
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December 18, 2011 2:49pm
Scott Chris

Falafulu Fisi says:- “Oh, BTW, how do I know that you’re an expert Semantic analyst rather than a social worker?”

Who says expert? A semantic analyst is really just an overblown proof reader. For instance, you are importing some goods which need assembling, and the instruction manual is poorly worded.

I am given the task of making it totally incomprehensible, so that what was meant to be a chest of draws when assembled becomes a three legged coffee table with 7 screws left over.

See, that’s how to not take yourself seriously.

As for social work: I do that as a hobby on kb.
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December 18, 2011 2:51pm
Pauleastbay

Googled ah.

FF proved that you’re pretentious with nothing to slightly show why, apart from being able to google .

Then, when you are proven wrong you get waspish – no dignity at all.

The playground scenario is the kid desperately wanting to be liked but always fucks it up .

Lastly, there was no “if” in regards the “owning”.
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December 18, 2011 2:52pm
bc

Manolo “I have never smoked in my life, but respect the right of others to do so.”

Well I certainly don’t. Price increases in cigarettes have been shown to be the most effective way to get people to quit. For their good and ours, let the price increases continue I say!
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December 18, 2011 3:00pm
Pauleastbay

Let em smoke BC,where else is there going to be a billion dollars in excise coming from?
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December 18, 2011 3:03pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott Chris I’m trying to help you here and you’re getting irritated. LSA is not proof reader as you seem to think. The other related field Natural Language Processing, which tries to find meaningful sequence of concepts or semantics in documents or speech. It is used in speech recognition systems of today.
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December 18, 2011 3:05pm
Luc Hansen

Paul, I’m no expert on Hitchens (or anything else for that matter) but your statement doesn’t reconcile easily with the little I have seen his work over the decades.

Be that as it may, I recommend, for a lazy, wet, Sunday afternoon this talk at the LSE by someone who has real achievements to his name:

http://www2.lse.ac.uk/newsAndMedia/videoAndAudio/channels/publicLecturesAndEvents/player.aspx?id=1280

It’s an overview of the decline in the US’s public finances that began in the Reagan era. What I find really scary is that a prescription from the 1980s that has led to fiscal disaster in the western world is still embraced by our current high priests of finance, Key and English.

The speaker is Jeffrey Sachs.
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December 18, 2011 3:15pm
wat dabney

“Lol. Yeah right! If you need to say it, you ain’t got it.”

Usually we ask ourselves if you’ve left your teens yet. Now we’re asking if you’ve actually entered them yet.
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December 18, 2011 3:16pm
bereal

“Hitchens stood for Hitchens” what a non argument, stupid statement Scott Chris.
You just dig yourself into a deeper and deeper hole.
once again you have been found out. A pseudo.
At first you were trying to prove Hitchens was a marxist. Pauleastbay disabused you of that,
then you change your tune again. Some people grow and change. But not you.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/11/Christopher-Hitchens-on-iThe-Daily-Showi-Sparring-with-Jon-Stewart-Over
the years.
Watch this then show us the Marxist.
http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2011/11/Christopher-Hitchens-on-iThe-Daily-Showi-Sparring-with-Jon-Stewart-Over-the-Years
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December 18, 2011 3:21pm
Falafulu Fisi

Scott, here is more:

Probabilistic Latent Semantic Indexing (PLSI)

The PLSI above improved (retrieval-wise) on the original PLSA I linked to above.

The NNMF (Nonnegative Matrix Factorization) described in the following paper is quite popular today:
Nonnegative Matrix Factorization and Probabilistic Latent Semantic Indexing: Equivalence, Chi-square Statistic, and a Hybrid Method

Those papers have been written for researchers (those who have doctorates qualifications and they’re not found in undergrad textbook either), so if you need to ask some questions, then please do so. I do have Java software codes for both PLSA and NNMF that I can give you if want.
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December 18, 2011 3:28pm
chiz

FF:Can any Kiwiblog reader here let me know if my explanation is clear enough or not?

Clear enough. But also wrong. Energy is not conserved in General Relativity. This is well known. Read up on Noether’s theorem sometime.
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December 18, 2011 3:42pm
chiz

FF:How do you develop technology using General Relativity in a garage?

Like this. He doesn’t appear to be a complete crackpot. He claims to have a theory underlying his work but he won’t divulge the details of it or how his device supposedly works until he gets a yes/no on his patent application so its difficult to judge.
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December 18, 2011 3:46pm
Scott Chris

“Googled ah.”

Nope. From memory. Most of what I know of Hitchens’ background is from his wikipage, but I was motivated to look that up quite some time ago as a result of hearing his ‘Hitchslaps’ on Graeme Hill’s very fine Weekend Variety Wireless Show on Radio Live.

As for the ‘owning’….. The context of the verbal exchange between FF and me is as follows.

1) He insults pollywog.
2) I insult him to demonstrate how silly it is to insult.
3) He digs up some old discussion that I had with Rightnow and subjects it to one of his pseudo-analyses.

There was no substance to the argument other than a couple of ad homs. So I take it you don’t actually look at evidence before coming to a conclusion about something.

Figures. After all, you were a cop.
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December 18, 2011 3:55pm
reid

It’s those bloody Germans…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8959940/France-is-staring-into-the-abyss-over-eurozone-crisis.html

The French are sometimes like lefties aren’t, in their spite:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/dec/15/france-eurozone-row-uk-credit-downgrade

Bankers: we love them cause they’re cuddly:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-bankers-secret-meetings-with-ministers-6277778.html

BTW re: bankers and banking, did you catch my clip above about the Economic Stablisation Fund: the power behind the Fed and the source of the black funds for the CIA to for example, overthrow a govt.

http://www.marketskeptics.com/2011/06/the-esf-and-its-history.html

Beautiful nature:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073068/Rare-white-rainbow-lights-North-Pole–closer-inspection-phenomena-actually-ghostly-fog-bow.html

So it’s true, the Dingo may have done it:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/8960578/Dingoes-show-unbelievable-intelligence.html

Apparently it’s the best computer simulation of the universe we’ve ever done, aren’t we amazing:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2073961/Supercomputer-runs-biggest-simulation-universe-took-20-days.html
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December 18, 2011 3:59pm
bereal

Scott Chris says, ‘most of what I know of Hitchens is from his wikipage.’
And you couldn’t even read that could you Scott ? Pathetic.
Have you now dropped your origional definitive statement that essentially he was a marxist ?

Typical of your usual shallow approach when, as the resident expert on, ‘everything
under the sun’ here on Kiwiblog you make an inane, facile statement, are proved wrong,
then drop the subject and move on as expert on the next subject.

You are making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself every day mate.
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December 18, 2011 4:29pm
pollywog

PW, here is what you have to grasp your understanding with regarding the basic fundamental concepts of existence. Momentum & Energy Conservation (MEC) is not some concepts that only belongs to classical physics (Newtonian) or (Relativity/Quantum Mechanics) . Any new theories that will be invented int the future will comply with these fundamental laws of nature.

Hands up anyone who thinks fala has proven anything beyond reasonable doubt ?

but first…

Energy and Momentum Conservation Laws in Physics

The laws of energy and momentum conservation are probably the most frequently quoted laws in physics, but also the most frequently abused ones. This is because the notions of energy and momentum are only strictly defined in classical mechanics but not if one considers non-mechanical physical entities like light for instance. Nevertheless, most physicist seem take it for granted that in the latter case the same physical principles apply…

It is therefore theoretically unjustified and inconsistent to generalize (as it is often done) the momentum conservation law to other non-classical phenomena in physics like the interaction of light with atoms

http://www.physicsmyths.org.uk/conservation.htm

…and i would like to add let alone interactions of dark matter and energy.

So once again. There is nothing to suggest new physics need comply with fundamental laws of nature. Not in those papers you linked to, not by any real physicists, only by you.

You have provided no proof, merely strong assertions. Even those papers you linked to assume as much and provide means to experiment but stop short of predicting anything with any degree of certainty as you have.

FWIW i base the possibility to provide alternate energy from garage made materials on what Tesla was able to achieve, seeing as how i’ve already proven it is possible to do ‘garage’ research not requiring million dollar investments.

…now lets see those show of hands ?
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