General Debate 15 December 2011

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pollywog

but it seems you’ve finally got it into your thick head that i’m not a social worker.

HAHAHA…guess not huh ?

oh well dumbfuck is as dumbfuck does.

and yup photonics…so specific, so detailed, so wrapped up in the minutiae of lights properties as to miss seeing the bigger picture and thus lacking a cohesive vision.

…either that or you’ve got your head so far up your arse you cant see and talk nothing but shit.
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December 15, 2011 1:35pm
Falafulu Fisi

PG, I agree. I won’t make any more nasty comments. Pollywog had a go at me, then I simply retaliated. He abused others, without defending his arguments and then when’s he’s being challenged (as immigrant did) he resorted to nasty reply. He then cry-baby when I & others started getting nasty with him. He thinks he can dish it out, but not able to take it from others.
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December 15, 2011 1:37pm
immigant

I still can’t understand how stabbing someone can be manslaughter.
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December 15, 2011 1:38pm
pollywog

This is a community, show some respect for others in it, and especially for DPF.

yeah funny how RL at The Standard is on a crusade to censor whatever is disagreeable based on personal bias and here we get immigant, labours a joke and falafulufisi abusing the demerit system with no consequence.

even funnier when i was recently banned here for nothing more than replying in kind to an obvious manolo troll when he bought my kids into question.

I’m all for tit for tat and upsizing the beef but lets keep our families out of it as we do when commenting on politicians.
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December 15, 2011 1:41pm
bereal

Congratulations to New Zealand Police for bringing to justice offenders
in recent major crimes. Some potentially very hard to solve whodunnits and child murders.

Phillip Cottrell
Terepo Taura-Griffith.
Little JJ
Hayden Miles
Tina Bayliss

And the conviction of the murderers of Kiko.

Congratulations and thanks for jobs well done.
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December 15, 2011 1:42pm
immigant

pollywog

Ohhh there, there, have a cry about it.
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December 15, 2011 1:43pm
labours a joke

“I still can’t understand how stabbing someone can be manslaughter”

Its Nil Ziland silly. Where we cuddle murderers and host them in the plush prisons with heated tile floors and flatscreen tv’s. Anyway , manslaughter sounds more PC. Shouldnt it be Personslaughter?
Who cares if someones been brutally murdered.
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December 15, 2011 1:44pm
pollywog

Pollywog had a go at me, then I simply retaliated. He abused others, without defending his arguments and then when’s he’s being challenged (as immigrant did) he resorted to nasty reply. He then cry-baby when I & others started getting nasty with him. He thinks he can dish it out, but not able to take it from others.

more bullshit, selective reasoning and taking things out of context.

go back and re read the exchanges you lying aresehole. You made the first insult, as did immigant and then read what labours a joke said in support.

fucking cry baby bullshit me bitch. Wind your neck in scumbag !!!
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December 15, 2011 1:44pm
Falafulu Fisi

Pollywog, your CD player, computer, fibre-land line, super-market scanners, and countless others are all by-products of photonics. All of them involve laser light. You’ve posted your message here on this blog, via using photonic devices. Just some tips for you. BTW, how many CYF’s workers including you at your local area? I know there’s a CYF office in Mt. Wellington, where they have been looking to recruit more Polynesians to help out with South Auckland families.

Are you keen? I can pass your detail to someone that I know in that office so you can apply for a job there.
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December 15, 2011 1:47pm
Pete George

I’m all for tit for tat and upsizing the beef

What does that achieve?

I’m all for showing some respect for differing views and not escalating into counterproductive crap.
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December 15, 2011 1:48pm
immigant

pollywog

There you go, that Pacifika gentleness coming through. Just like I predicted earlier this morning this will deteriorate to fists.

I’m so scared of you and you and your girlfriends.

Actulay I probly shoudl be scared, cause I’ll get stabbed and you’ll get away with manslaughter.
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December 15, 2011 1:49pm
bereal

Sorry, Jade Bayliss
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December 15, 2011 1:52pm
pollywog

and…

i’m not going to defend arguments to ignorant racist fucktards like immigant unless they act like civil adults nor will i respond in kind to obvious trolls like that fuckwit labour joker who dont have a substantiating point to make on the discussion.

Pollywog, your CD player, computer, fibre-land line, super-market scanners, are all photonics. All of them involve laser light. You’ve posted your message here on this blog, via using photonic devices. Just some tips for you.

Yeah yeah you’re a boring twat. We all know that.

So what makes you think i’m a social worker ?
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December 15, 2011 1:53pm
wat dabney

Heartwarming story of environmental activists plotting on video how to shake down an oil company for billions of dollars using fabricated evidence, then getting service with a RICO lawsuit.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/12/13/national-academy-of-sciences-appointee-caught-making-up-stuff-to-win-lawsuit-rico-lawsuit-follows/

Good to see an oil company fighting back on our behalf.
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December 15, 2011 1:53pm
immigant

“So what makes you think i’m a social worker ?”

Cause you are stupid and beligerent and also racist? Badly educated, unfunny and most importantly a communist.
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December 15, 2011 1:55pm
Falafulu Fisi

PW, you mentioned this week in one of the GD threads that you are/were a social worker? What’s wrong with being working as a social worker? There’s nothing to be ashamed of being a social worker.
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December 15, 2011 1:58pm
pollywog

I’m all for tit for tat and upsizing the beef

What does that achieve?

a robust exchange of ideas once the bullshit is out of the way…

Reconciliation…It’s all about the makeup sex.
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December 15, 2011 2:00pm
pollywog

PW, you mentioned this week in one of the GD threads that you are/were a social worker?

Since you’re so keen on selective reasoning and linking to shit, comprehending what you want to read not what’s actually written, i suggest, along with going back to see who cast the first insulting stone that facilitated a retaliation, you also go back and see exactly what i said regarding what you believe it is i do, and then see how pathetically laughable your abusive fantasies have become since.
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December 15, 2011 2:08pm
immigant

I’m starting to get a good picture of my adversary now, the competing party, the nemesis, the OTHER immigrant.

A woman, social worker, a pasifikan. Probably with only a highschool education. With children, presumably unmarried. Prone to violence. I will update my findings as I unravell the mystery. Stay tuned.
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December 15, 2011 2:10pm
KevinH

@Manolo (11.59am)

Cameron, Sarkozy, and Merkel as well as the other 29 members of the European Union have to face up to the reality that the common marketplace experiment has not worked and drastic change is well overdue.
The European Union has surrounded itself with a Berlin Wall choking off development and investment. Cross subsidising each other in a manner that can only be described as robbing Peter to pay Paul has produced negative results. As their market place has matured it has hit a ceiling, no more growth and no where to go.
The solution is one that New Zealand is well acquainted with and that is to break down those artificially imposed walls , get out of that suffocating box and join the global community.
Eliminate subsidies because in the final analysis you achieve mediocrity, poor productivity and debt.
These measures are what is needed for Europe to overcome it’s current imbroglio, it takes courage and committment, but the question is can they do it ?
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December 15, 2011 2:13pm
Pete George

a robust exchange of ideas once the bullshit is out of the way…

Except it doesn’t work that way, the bull just shits a lot of other people off. Blog violence is just like street violence and family violence – a pox in our society.

Why not just have a robust exchange of ideas? Is that too radical?
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December 15, 2011 2:16pm
pollywog

Why not just have a robust exchange of ideas?

i try more than most but i’m not one to let an insult slide in the reply. If anything it’s DPF who needs to sort the blog violence out, it’s his gaffe

Imagine this were his physical house. Would he tolerate some of the disgusting behaviour he allows to slip by here?

Clampdown on the racists and obvious trolls would be good place to start along with censoring the irrelevent insults that otherwise cloud a decent post.

Only thing is, in doing that i reckon he’d find there’d be a hell of lot less postings and site visits and page views.
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December 15, 2011 2:26pm
immigant

Okay updating the profile pollywog.

A woman, social worker, a pasifikan. Probably with only a highschool education. With children, presumably unmarried. Prone to violence. I will update my findings as I unravell the mystery. Lives in Nelson, so presumably from a low socioeconomic crossection, a raving labour supporter. Into her “Beats” including but not limited to rolling sub, dubstep wobble, half step/breakbeat, chicken scratch gat, house piano, gospel diva vox, bit of rap, sample heavy, glitchy as…

From this I conclude the age is somewhere between 12 and 20. Probbaly about 18. Has a lot of interesting pics on her blog that make her easealy identifiable.

Likes to cry about how hard doen she is on teh interwebs.
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December 15, 2011 2:28pm
bereal

Oh dear,
what’s the problem with this ‘pollywog’ ?
Some of the gems today from this fine example

Bitch, scumbag, idiot, ignorant fucktard, troll, racist fucktard, nutjob, dumb fuck, boring twat.

Try and lighten up a bit pollywog.
You are single handedly ruining any debate with this kind of stuff.
You’ll do yourself a mischief if you keep ranting like this.

Think of how much you must be embarrasing the ‘Pasifikan” people you claim to be part of.
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December 15, 2011 2:29pm
Scott Chris

wat dabney says:- “Heartwarming story of environmental activists plotting”

Not how I see it at all. The guy doing all the talking and conspiring is Donziger, the crooked lawyer. There is nothing to suggest that he is an environmental activist.

Anne Maest just states the facts, that the oil seepage is confined to certain areas and hasn’t spread, which shows she isn’t manipulating the data.

This is just a smear campaign against the National Academy of Science.
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December 15, 2011 2:41pm
Manolo

Moe peaceful natives in the news: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/6142813/Pack-of-men-attack-Porirua-teen
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December 15, 2011 2:45pm
immigant

Man, so manny comments I want to make but really don’t want to pour more oil into the fire.
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December 15, 2011 2:50pm
wreck1080

So, Mr. Hanover man, Greg Muir truly believes….

“directors conducted themselves responsibly, with appropriate rigour, and made judgments they believed were in the best interests of the company and its investors on the information available to them at the time”

Any business person who can lose so much of investors money has not acted responsibly.

Rather, they have placed investor money into high risk ventures that failed.This is hardly the definition of responsible investing.

However, the investors themselves were equally reckless, by giving their money away to those offering the highest interest rates in the Saturday papers. Just because a company has a respectable ‘name’ ………
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December 15, 2011 2:56pm
Manolo

Man, so manny comments I want to make but really don’t want to pour more oil into the fire.

I disagree. I call it as I see it.
So, let’s do not beat around the bush, and call a spade, a spade. Always.
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December 15, 2011 3:01pm
immigant

Okay then. I’ll phrase it in the way that will not get me called racist.

The girl is obviously racist, how dare she accuse Pasifikans they were obviously Indians or South Africans. It is her fault anyway for having a purse and walking down the street, she should have known better than be a daughter of some rich prick that can afford bags.
There must have been some mitigating socio-political factors that lead to this attack. The 3 guys who assualted her had a tough upbrining which is the fault of the National government and it’s inability to fight poverty.

There, got it off my chest.
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December 15, 2011 3:09pm
leftyliberal

@Griff: Shop around for your treated timber mate – even Mitre10 has it for less than $4 retail – I’d expect at least 25% off that for a reasonably sized order (200m+). Agreed regarding the bureaucracy – it gets even worse when the inspector comes to “inspect” and it’s nothing more than a cursory glance. Mind you, it’s pretty obvious to see potential faults really, so that’s probably all the need to do. As for plumbers, it is a pretty sweet deal they have, but to be honest most of the sewer work I’ll leave to them anyway!
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December 15, 2011 3:14pm
side show bob

Does or has anyone used Tor? I know of some that get around the piracy ( copyright ) rules using Tor, will it end in tears ?.
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December 15, 2011 3:27pm
leftyliberal

@ssb: Tor is generally not the way to get around copyright rules in particular – it’s too slow for large amounts of data, but yes, it could be used in that capacity if speed isn’t an issue. Plenty of better options available if that is your main concern, however.
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December 15, 2011 3:39pm
Pete George

Manolo:So, let’s do not beat around the bush, and call a spade, a spade.

Fair enough, but a spade’s a spade’s different to shoveling shit.

Same as eyeballing each other and not seeing eye to eye are different to scratching each other’s eyes out.
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December 15, 2011 4:05pm
Scott Chris

Pete George says:- “Blog violence is just like street violence and family violence – a pox in our society.”

We are a violent species. Helps us get our own way. Presumably the urge to want to harm those who make you angry has evolved as a successful trait. It may have lost its relevance to a certain degree within the context of modern society, but being clever and violent still seems to work as a combination.

The interesting aspect of the online forum though, is that there is no fear of actual physical violence. So the conflict tends to be in the form of belittlement rather than intimidation. For those who are interested in social dynamics, kb would make an ideal source of study data.
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December 15, 2011 4:39pm
wat dabney

Scott Chris,

Your problem is that everyone can watch that video for themself and see that your report of it is a total fabrication.
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December 15, 2011 5:01pm
leftyliberal

wat dabney: Other than Scott’s accusation that this is a smear against the National Academy of Science, his comments are correct. There is no evidence in the video ifself of any wrong-doing or intention to do wrong by Maest. It is all the lawyer.
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December 15, 2011 5:32pm
Viking2

Enjoy a good laugh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWMTF5fLA6o
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December 15, 2011 6:00pm
reid

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100123875/eurocrats-no-longer-trouble-to-disguise-their-loathing-for-britain/

Watch the first clip at least – very funny

Here’s the counter view
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100123756/eurosceptics-are-a-bunch-of-insular-slobs-who-have-a-hard-time-restraining-their-inner-fascist-says-the-new-york-times/

Chinese village rebelling against the party and is currently in stand-off with police laying seige.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8954315/Inside-Wukan-the-Chinese-village-that-fought-back.html

Yeah right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/dec/13/james-murdoch-phone-hacking-email
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December 15, 2011 6:33pm
Viking2

Satellite snaps pic of China’s first aircraft carrier
DAN ELLIOTT
Last updated 11:03 15/12/2011

EYE IN THE SKY: A satellite image provided by the the DigitalGlobe Analysis Centre shows the Chinese aircraft carrier Varyag sailing in the Yellow Sea, approximately 100 kilometers south-southeast of the port of Dalian, China.
Asia

A commercial US satellite company claims it has captured a photo of China’s first aircraft carrier in the Yellow Sea off the Chinese coast.

DigitalGlobe Inc said early today (NZ time) one of its satellites photographed the carrier on December 8. A DigitalGlobe analyst found the image on Tuesday (Wednesday, NZ time) while searching through photos.

http://screencast.com/t/v3NTH4cRQmPj

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/6142947/Satellite-snaps-pic-of-Chinas-first-aircraft-carrier
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December 15, 2011 6:33pm
Viking2

We never learn.
Crusher collins needed to have beefed up the law and sorted out this arsewhole and his mate Taylor.
Come to think of it it is only weeks ago that Taylor gto an airing on the tele for his compasionate work for arsewholes.
Lock the prick up and strve him till he hurts.

New Zealand’s most violent inmate, double-murderer Graeme Burton, has been moved off directed segregation, following a legal challenge by career criminal and serial jailhouse litigant Arthur Taylor.

Burton has been on 23 hours a day lockdown and has had no contact with other inmates at Auckland’s maximum security prison, Paremoremo, for almost three years.

He earned his spot in the prison’s notorious D-Block, which up until last week only held Taylor, ”Houdini” jail-breaker Aaron Forden and rapist Tony Adamson, for trying to kill Head Hunters gang member Dwayne Marsh in December 2008.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/6146386/Graeme-Burtons-isolation-ends
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December 15, 2011 6:43pm
reid

What occurs to me about the NOTW phone hacking emails is: how many times is this that we’ve seen a major corporate embarrassed by this stuff. There is a great deal of stuff I do at work I would never dream of putting in an email and you’da thunk the people who run global companies mighta thunk crikey: what if this ever got out?

But the very people who do this stuff are the same ones to whom this thought should actually occur for then they could change policy and it wouldn’t happen anymore. It’s not rocket science, is it.

V2 this is their test model. Apparently it takes ten years to work up to full carrier operations when you’re first starting out. It’s a sign of their intent though isn’t it. Not surprising. So far they resist bases and use money to buy votes. That seems to be their strategy.
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December 15, 2011 6:44pm
Viking2

Best idea for Xmas yet.

Send McCully on whale protest
DANYA LEVY
Last updated 14:01 15/12/2011

The Greens are calling on Prime Minister John Key to send Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully to the Southern Ocean to observe this summer’s whale hunt.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6145518/Greens-Send-McCully-on-whale-protest
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December 15, 2011 6:48pm
reid

Another example of Chinese authoriti

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/6139518/Chinese-man-arrested-for-hiring-wedding-strippers
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December 15, 2011 6:50pm
Manolo

The pompous Greens can whine and rant all day long. The government shouldn’t listen to the Luddites.
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December 15, 2011 7:00pm
bereal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gm9q8uabTs

Nigel Farage gives a great speech.
Ranks up there with Dan Hannan
There’s a few of his great speeches on utube
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December 15, 2011 7:13pm
Pauleastbay

A maori wanted to have sex with a girl in his office, but she had a boyfriend. One day he got so frustrated he said, “I will give you $100 if you let me screw you” she said “NO”. He said “i’ll be fast”. I’ll throw the money on the floor, you bend down and i’ll be finished by the time you pick it up.

So she called her boyfriend and asked him what he thought. Her boyfriend… says “ask him for $200, pick up the money really fast, he wont even have time to drop his pants”. So she agrees……

Half hour goes by and the boyfriend is waiting for his Mrs to call. Finally after 45min the boyfriend calls and asks what happend. She responded ” bloody maori used coins” .
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December 15, 2011 7:13pm
pollywog

WOW…did you see what Shearer had to say on the TVnews about state asset sales ?

nah, neither did i.

It was left to the co leader of the left to muster up and lay it down.
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December 15, 2011 7:19pm
Johnboy

Just totaled today’s GD score.

Pollywog 1, everyone else – 3,138,234. 🙂
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December 15, 2011 7:27pm
reid

What did he “lay down” pw?
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December 15, 2011 7:28pm
reid

Nigel Farage gives a great speech.

Doesn’t he bereal.

A true patriot.

I loved the occasional cuts to his listeners. They looked pleased didn’t they. And then they thank him at the end as well. Classy. Love that Parliamentary procedure.
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December 15, 2011 7:35pm
nasska

The three wise men arrived to visit the child lying in the
manger. One of the wise men was exceptionally tall and
bumped his head on the low doorway as he entered the stable.
“Jesus Christ!” he exclaimed.

Joseph said, “Write that one down, Mary; it’s a lot
better than Kevin.”
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December 15, 2011 7:42pm
Pete George

I didn’t see the laying down on the news, but Gordon Campbell says “the Greens are on very shaky ground in saying that Dunne doesn’t have a mandate to support the 49% selldown this year. ”

Greens are showing their lack of experience in being a part of government. They either have no idea what’s actually involved, or they are simply bullshitting.
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December 15, 2011 7:44pm
immigant

Pollywog

What are you doing here? Have you recovered from your verbal asswhip already? I thought you’d still be crying to your mum how bad boys on the interwebs gave you a hard time.
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December 15, 2011 7:45pm
Johnboy

I’m not sure that bullshit is acceptable to Gaia Pete.

I suspect that really they just don’t have a clue.
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December 15, 2011 7:46pm
pollywog

What did he “lay down” pw?

the realness.

Kiwi mums and dads are too broke to afford to buy into the firesale so the benefits will go to the top 10% of earners who also benefitted from the gov’ts 2 billion dollar taxcuts.

like i said the other day…

With Shearer leader and setting the tone of raising child poverty issues it looks like state asset sales and the economy are off the table and going to get a soft run by Labour, especially if the wimpy Parker gets the shadow finance role.

Afterall, Key only wants to sell the assets to build schools for the kiddies !

That’s a line Shearer could easily echo as co leader with Key of the new centrist movement cos let’s face it, Shearers legendary global aid expertise isn’t about showing where the money is or how it came to be. It’s just about spending it for social causes. Essentially promoting welfare to the less fortunate and we all know how well that goes down with kiwis at the mo eh ?

meaning if there is to be any mobilising in protest at state asset sales it’ll be the leader of the Left Russel Norman doing it.
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December 15, 2011 7:53pm
Johnboy

Oh this should help the sagging share price.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/6146950/Air-NZ-wins-govt-contract-signs-ANA-deal

What a surprise! 🙂

Disclaimer: All comments should take into account that New Zealand is one of the worlds most corruption free countries! 🙂
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December 15, 2011 7:59pm
nasska

A bloke is browsing in a pet shop and sees a parrot sitting on a little
perch. It doesn’t have any feet or legs.
The guy says aloud “Bloody hell!. I wonder what happened to this parrot?

The parrot says, “I was born this way. I’m a defective parrot”.

“Holy smoke”, the bloke replies. “You actually understood and answered me!”

“I got every word”, says the parrot. “I happen to be a highly intelligent, thoroughly educated bird.”

“Oh yeah?”, the bloke asks, “Then answer this – how do you hang onto your perch without any feet?”

“Well”, the parrot says, “this is very embarrassing but since you asked, I wrap my willy around this wooden bar like a little hook. You can’t see it because of my feathers.”

“Wow” says the guy, “you really can understand and speak English, can’t you!”

“Actually, I speak both Spanish and English and I can converse with reasonable competence on almost any topic: politics, religion, sports, physics, philosophy. I’m especially good at ornithology. You really ought to buy me. I’d be a great companion.”

The bloke looks at the £200 price tag. “Sorry, but I just can’t afford
that.”

“Pssssssst” says the parrot, “I’m defective, so the truth is,
nobody wants me cause I don’t have any feet. You can probably
get me for £20, just make the guy an offer!”

The bloke offers £20 and walks out with the parrot.

Weeks go by.

The parrot is sensational. He has a great sense of humour, he’s
interesting, he’s a great pal, he understands everything, he sympathises, and he’s insightful. The bloke is delighted.

One day the guy comes home from work and the parrot goes
“Psssssssssssst”
and motions him over with one wing. “I don’t know if I should tell you
this or not, but it’s about your wife and the postman.”

“What are you talking about?” asks the bloke.
“When the postman delivered today, your wife greeted him at the door in a sheer black nightie and kissed him passionately.”

“WHAT???” the bloke asks incredulously. “THEN what happened?”

“Well, then the postman came into the house and lifted up her nightie and began petting her all over” reported the parrot.

“My God!” the bloke exclaims. “Then what?”

“Then he lifted up the nighty, got down on his knees and began to lick her all over, starting with her breasts and slowly going down….

“WELL???” demands the frantic bloke, “THEN WHAT HAPPENED?”

“Fuck knows” say’s the parrot, I got a hard-on and fell off my perch.”
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December 15, 2011 8:00pm
Viking2

CHRISTMAS WARNING

Please take care of yourself over the holiday season and always.

A recent joint study conducted by the Department of Health and the
Department of Motor Vehicles indicates that 23% of traffic accidents are alcohol related.

This means that the remaining 77% are caused by thoughtless people who drink bottled
water, Starbucks coffees, soda, juice, energy drinks and substance like that.

Therefore, beware of those who do not drink alcohol as they cause three times as many accidents.

This message is sent to you by someone who is a drinker and worries about your safety.

You have been warned!!!
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December 15, 2011 8:01pm
reid

pw your problem may be you per se see asset sales as unnecessary.

You possibly don’t know even one of the many arguments for asset sales, for you’ve bothered to acquaint yourself with only the one side.

Now this if fatal, unless you’re mental or disinterested but since you do seem interested then the equation applies.

So given this, I suggest your first step is to watch all six hours of the free PBS documentary called Commanding Heights which covers the for and against arguments very well indeed.

Then come back.

Unless you’ve already seen that or something similar in which case: on what grounds do you argue against given all the arguments for said asset sales as detailed at least, in said free doco which you can google?
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December 15, 2011 8:01pm
pollywog

You possibly don’t know even one of the many arguments for asset sales, for you’ve bothered to acquaint yourself with only the one side.

There is no need to sell state assets.

as it relates to NZ, it’s an ideological exercise National have been wanting to implement for aaaages.

the rest is just spin and propaganda.
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December 15, 2011 8:09pm
nasska

Santa’s Pick Up Lines
* I know when you`ve been bad or good, so let’s skip the small talk, sister!
* Hey Babe, when was the last time you did it in a sleigh?
* Ever make it with a fat guy with a whip?
* Some of my best toys run on batteries…
* I see you when you’re sleeping – and you don’t wear any underwear, do you?
* Screw the “nice” list — I’ve got you on my “nice AND naughty” list!
* Wanna join the “Mile High” club?
* That’s not a candy cane in my pocket, honey. I’m just glad to see you!
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December 15, 2011 8:10pm
reid

There is no need to sell state assets.

pw I already know you think that I’ve asked you precisely why you think it’s not necessary given the arguments for selling them and on a political blog it’s customary to answer those sorts of questions.

So which particular argument for selling them do you disagree with? Let’s go through them one by one.

nasska surely Santa doesn’t need pickup lines? The very fact he’s Santa…
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December 15, 2011 8:42pm
Viking2

Land of the Long White Cloud.

http://screencast.com/t/LwB3Y71OK
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December 15, 2011 8:45pm
pollywog

Which particular argument for selling them, do you disagree with

I’ll start you off with this one and see how you go from there.

They’re not the gov’ts to sell without a majority mandate from the nation.

If we had a binding referendum attached to the election, as we had with MMP, and the country voted for selling them off then sure, go right ahead.

…but as is, it’s just right wing ideology based on nothing more than a desire to transfer the nations wealth to the financial elite in the private sector and fuck everyone else.

This was signalled in the election promises of 08 when Key said there would be no asset sales in his first term. Well before he and English manufactured the ‘need’ to sell them off to pay down debt or build infrastructure as the debt didn’t exist then, nor did the ‘need’ exist to create an ‘infrastructure fund’ as it was through their mismanagement and the unneccessary taxcuts to the top earners that left a hole in the economy they now plan to fill with state asset sales.
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December 15, 2011 8:57pm
big bruv

Pollywog

Of course they have a mandate, they are the government…..and, because they won!

The next couple of years are going to be fun watching people like you get all worked up as they sell 49%.
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December 15, 2011 9:00pm
reid

This is an excellent example of Double-Speak and depending what your world-view is you won’t even know it’s happened:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2073769/Iran-threatens-shut-Straits-Hormuz-military-manoeuvre.html
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December 15, 2011 9:01pm
pollywog

toddle off to bed bruv, the adults are talking.

I’ll come tuck you in soon

nite…*mwah*
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December 15, 2011 9:04pm
reid

They’re not the gov’ts to sell without a majority mandate from the nation.

As per BB +

getting rid of govt stuff that should stand on its own two feet is practiced every single day by govts all around the world of all different stripes.

Why NZ lefties have such a strong rigid hard-on about it, I don’t know but across the lefty universe in NZ from Liarbore through Gween through Mana you have internationally anomalous failure amongst said lefties to be pragmatic and recognise actually, why should a govt own “x.” This is not an emotional, heart-rending, family-silver-destroying action which idiot lefties and their followers pretend it is. It’s an economic question – straight and simple: is it better long term to hold it or not? That’s all repeat all repeat all it is.

It’s not a hysterical widows and orphans tale in any way. Yet you pw and all other lefties and their idiot moron fucked in the head followers are behaving as if it is, from Shearer down. You’re all completely mental, you know.

As I said, give me a serious argument, BB gets to the nub, he won, you lost, eat that. I believe that’s the language you lefties invented so I presume you understand what it means, crude as it may be. You really are a bunch of guttersnipes, aren’t you.
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December 15, 2011 9:11pm
reid

Serious interview: background to the Euro crisis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLLkS-Gukdo&list=UU7TvL4GlQyMBLlUsTrN_C4Q&feature=plcp
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December 15, 2011 9:17pm
pollywog

BWAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAHAHA…pathetic reid

i thought you were going to use the force of intellect to batter me into submission.

i think you should toddle off and top n tail with JB

nite.
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December 15, 2011 9:21pm
reid

pw I knew you were a lefty, for one can’t Bwaha.

It’s not Bwaaaaahaaaa you fool, that’s much less fun than how we do it.

If you can’t tell me why you think they’re bad then I’ll tell you why I think they’re good. Because they cost us less if we pay down govt debt if we’re holding any. The dividends they return may not be worth the cost of holding. Most SOEs have a very low ROI because they’re extremely capital intensive.

A few return well such as KB which rest assured has a permanent place.

But to object merely on philosophical grounds is profound folly.

It’s the economy, stupid.

As one of your lefty brethren once campaigned on.
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December 15, 2011 9:39pm
immigant

Pollywog

“toddle off to bed bruv, the adults are talking.”

What are you talking about sweatheart? you like 21 years old at most. How’s you dubstep coming along? Is it dirty and glitchy?

Get your life partner to tuck you in you need your rest. I’ll have you running back to mum and holding your head in shame tomorrow, just like I did this afternoon.
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December 15, 2011 9:50pm
pollywog

uplifting !!!

http://vimeo.com/31631620
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December 15, 2011 9:55pm
Hurf Durf

The Gweens have replaced their Foreign Affairs portfolio with “Global Affairs.”

It’ll be fun to see what sort of pro-Taliban lunacy they’ll spout with their new, caring, sharing redefinition of the policy.
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December 15, 2011 10:22pm
Falafulu Fisi

Read, that video interview of William Engdahl is spot on. I frequently made contacts with various academics all over the world, but majority of them from the US. I don’t know them personally, except that they’re authors of some research papers that I’m interested in to explore the potential for technology development & implementation. The names that I had make contact with were mainly Chinese authors. There are lots of Middle Eastern names & Indians. Not many Europeans names. So, William Engdahl’s point that majority of the US grads/post-grads/post-docs are largely Chinese and that’s a fact.

The domination of the Western civilization with in the last 500 years is coming to an end. Thanks to the leftist Keynesian ideologies. The amazing thing about the decline of the Western civilization economic/military power is that the majority are all in denial or at best, they’re ignorant of what’s going on. They think that things will be fine tomorrow, next week, next month, next year and just carry on as business as usual. Over-regulations, Govt over-spending, etc,… As Donald Trump said on Fox News recently, it is faster for him to get a permit in China to build a Hotel there than applying for a permit to build the same hotel in the US. In his words, he can lodge the application today and get the permit to go ahead to build that hotel the next day.

Ron Paul also mentioned in one of his recent interviews that China is more capitalist than the US.
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December 15, 2011 10:37pm
Falafulu Fisi

Read, check out the names of the authors from this research paper published by the R&D team at Microsoft US (Redmond). You don’t have to read it because that’s not my intention of posting the link but, just take a look at the names of the authors. They’re all Chinese doctorates researchers. Microsoft Research US has got an army of PhDs in that center. In my rough estimations, based on my past communications with researchers/authors from that center, there are perhaps more than 70% of them are Chinese, Indians & Middle Eastern.

If you go to the Auckland University School of Engineering perhaps at lunch time, you may mistaken the place as some campus at a University in Beijing.
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December 15, 2011 10:47pm
reid

Thanks Falafulu.

Re: denial, hear what this 1958 prophet said of today:

http://www.tribulationinstitute.com/illuminati_smirnoffads.htm
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December 15, 2011 10:49pm
adze

Falafulu, not that I necessarily think your prediction about the West is wrong; but if we’re comparing competitive benefits between China and the US, property rights would seem to have less protection in China – for the moment at least – especially for those without any friends within government. Have you heard of the case below?

http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/11/0415/Fellowes1.html

How does one steal an entire corporation?
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December 15, 2011 10:56pm
dime

pollywog is just batshit crazy. i suspect hes poor.

anyway, using his logic from before: something about private companies using our land, our resources and owned with our money!??! some communist shit.

so whats wrong with selling 49% of some assets? wont they still be on OUR land blah blah blah. everything in new zealand is OURS anyway.
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December 15, 2011 10:58pm
pollywog

haha…brother can you spare a dime ?

How does one steal an entire corporation?

own a bank.
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December 15, 2011 11:03pm
Falafulu Fisi

adze, your right. Property rights protection is perhaps non-existent in China, but there’s no doubt that China will become democratic at some stage and they had no choice in moving towards that direction.

Here are two Youtube videos of a testimony to US Congress of a business man (who’s an Austrian economics follower) that clearly spelled out to lawmakers of why the US is suffering economically at the moment. Over-regulations.

#1) Peter Schiff Testimony Before Congress On Jobs Committee – Part 1

#2) Peter Schiff Testimony Before Congress On Jobs Committee – Part 2

These are the problems that some of commentators here, like Weihana, Scott Chris, Pete George, seemed to have missed altogether.

Watch that idiot Congressman, Mr Cummings. He’s a complete moron economic illiterate.
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December 15, 2011 11:19pm
calendar girl

Today Pollywog has stretched every notion of governance, economics, common sense and personal credibility. But for her to claim that the Government doesn’t have an electoral mandate to sell up to 49% of certain government-owned corporations – after campaigning publicly on that policy throughout 2011 – leaves me just speechless.
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December 15, 2011 11:28pm
leftyliberal

@FF: To be fair, what is the proportion of Chinese, Indian and Middle Eastern within the population who are in a position to do a PhD?
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December 16, 2011 7:58am
Manolo

Another scam at our expense. Why do we have to subsidise these things? http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/6141783/Free-digital-TV-on-cards-for-disadvantaged-viewers
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