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nasska

A light hearted tribute to women who drive: http://www.avolites.com/jokes/women-drivers.htm
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December 11, 2011 8:03am
Manolo

More lunacy from the UN. Nick Smith will be happy: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/12/10/un-floats-global-climate-court-to-enforce-emissions-rules/
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December 11, 2011 8:04am
Other_Andy

And just when you thought of making a donation to the Red Cross.

The Red Cross is investigating whether 600 million gamers are violating the Hague and Geneva conventions when they kill and blow stuff up for fun.
Delegates at the 31st International Conference of the Red Cross (ICRC) and Red Crescent raised the concerns over the potential “International Humanitarian Law” violations – which can constitute war crimes – during a workshop in Geneva.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gaming/six-hundred-million-gamers-could-be-war-criminals-red-cross-says/story-e6frfrt9-1226216184190

Money well spend, don’t you think?
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December 11, 2011 8:07am
big bruv

Manolo

Nick Smith is a fucking idiot, how do I know this?

Well Smith has purchased a $60,000 electric car that only has a range of 75 km and takes all bloody night to charge up again.

What a pity that Smith does not live 85 km away from Nelson Airport, that way the useless prick would not be seen in Parliament.
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December 11, 2011 8:11am
Other_Andy

@Manolo

You think that is radical?

Bolivia is set to pass the world’s first laws granting all nature equal rights to humans. The Law of Mother Earth, now agreed by politicians and grassroots social groups, redefines the country’s rich mineral deposits as ‘blessings’ and is expected to lead to radical new conservation and social measures to reduce pollution and control industry.
These laws will establish 11 new rights for nature. They include: the right to life and to exist; the right to continue vital cycles and processes free from human alteration; the right to pure water and clean air; the right to balance; the right not to be polluted; and the right to not have cellular structure modified or genetically altered. Controversially, it will also enshrine the right of nature ‘to not be affected by mega-infrastructure and development projects that affect the balance of ecosystems and the local inhabitant communities’.

http://www.canadians.org/campaignblog/?p=7446
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December 11, 2011 8:14am
calendar girl

Thanks for that, Manolo. The concept of developed countries (re-)paying undeveloped countries “historical climate debt” is a novel use of twisted language to entrench age-old socialist ideals at international level. Robbing Peter to pay Paul.

If the UN can’t get its hands on global financial transaction taxes, “historical climate debt” will be a perfect alternative as the central transfer mechanism.
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December 11, 2011 8:19am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10772211

Chinese and Indian emissions in particular are growing at nearly 10 per cent annually.

ETS to save the world yea right
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December 11, 2011 8:25am
Falafulu Fisi

Its Christmas, so here is Maria Carey (duet with her mother) to entertain you with the rendition of O Come All Ye Faithful.

Watch & listen (about halfway thru) to the beautiful high pitch soprano voice from Maria Carey, which is something I’ve never seen any pop singer had done before.
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December 11, 2011 8:26am
Yvette

Further to Manolo’s comment on UN lunacy –

United Nations climate envoys have proposed the creation of a global “climate court” that would be responsible for enforcing a sprawling set of rules requiring developed countries to cut emissions while compensating poorer countries in order to pay off a “historical climate debt.”
The proposals are contained in a draft document pieced together for the climate conference in Durban, South Africa. Representatives at the conference are struggling to come up with a compromise that negotiators from 194 nations can agree on.

194 countries – how many are seeking agreement presently in the Eurozone? 17
So the UN goal of agreement is only slightly more difficult, just about 11 times more so
Easy, until the suckers read some of the small print –

In one section, the document calls for developed countries to help poorer countries with “finance, technology and capacity building” so they can “adapt to and mitigate climate change” while helping eliminate poverty. Another section provides that developing countries should receive an amount of money equal to the amount “developed countries spend on defense, security and warfare.”
Yet the document also calls for a guaranteed end to warfare altogether — for the sake of curbing climate change.
One section, noting that “conflict-related activities emit significant greenhouse gas emissions,” calls on all parties to “cease destructive activities” like warfare — and then channel the money that would have been spent on war and other defense projects toward “a common enemy: climate change.”
The document also asserts the “rights of mother earth,” a concept that environmental activists have been pushing for.

PIGS will fly first? [little Eurozone joke – as opposed to the joke that the UN is]
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December 11, 2011 8:27am
Pauleastbay

And if we didn’t already know that the the NZ Herald was the brokenest newspaper in the world, yesterday I saw that it had Helen “I’m a fraudster” Clark nominated as New Zealander of the Year, why,? because she wrangled herself a job.

Imagine, New Zealander of the year because you got a job, truley mind boggling
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December 11, 2011 8:31am
JamesS

I always knew these conservative religious loons were a bunch of wankers http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772398
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December 11, 2011 8:33am
Ross12

Yvette
You beat me to it , following up on Manolos comment. These UN guys/gals have tried this at Copenhagen and Cacun as well. They are nutters determined to get this World Govt. concept in place. But we should not laugh too much as if you look at the Merkel/Sarkozy’s latest proposal to sort out Europe’s crisis –the way I see it they are trying to get all “economic” policy for the EU individual countries run from Brussels. A major step towards the EU nutters dream.
To think you can just say ” a guaranteed end to war ” shows how stupid the really are.

Here is the link to Marano’s site and the article by Lord Monkton

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/14072/Exclusive-UN-Climate-Draft-Text-Demands-New-International-Climate-Court-to-compel-reparations-for-climate-debt–Also-seeks-rights-of-Mother-Earth–2Cdeg-drop-in-global-temps

Maybe next week someone in the media should force Nick Smith to come out with whether he takes the proposal seriously.
( Yes I know , the possibility of the MSM doing that is just as far fetched , but one can dream)
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December 11, 2011 8:37am
KH

Any electric car would be good. But Nick Smith needs to work out that the battery option is not useful for electricity storage. He will find out. Better to store your electricity by making it into Hydrogen. And using that in a modified internal combustion engine.
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December 11, 2011 8:38am
Pauleastbay

JamesS

Ho Hum weird sexual practices in Christchurch, imagine. What is wrong with that place.?
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December 11, 2011 8:39am
Other_Andy

Was Russia Behind Stuxnet?
(Just another twist and theory.)

The U.S. and Israel are widely assumed to be responsible for the Stuxnet computer worm that hit Iran’s nuclear facilities. But Moscow has just as good a motive.

http://the-diplomat.com/2011/12/10/was-russia-behind-stuxnet/

And what about the Chinese?
They have an interest in a stable ME. In the last few years they have spend a lot of money securing resources in Africa and they definitely have the capability.
However, an Australian academic has dismissed China’s cyber-warfare capabilities as “fairly rudimentary”.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-11/02/china-cyberwar
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December 11, 2011 8:39am
plebe

Local Victoria Uni boy does good in Australia, makes a pile and can now retire.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/6120182/Kiwi-fraudster-on-the-run
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December 11, 2011 8:41am
Manolo

When will Labour lite abolish the dreadful and anti-competitive ETS tax?
Why are we kneecapping ourselves by being part of this scam?
Why does Nick Smith insist in taxing the productive sectors of NZ society?
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December 11, 2011 8:45am
KH

Kiwi fraudster. Reminiscent of Michael Swann. Where the Otago DHB was warned about him but choose to let him steal rather than deal with it. But that’s typical of DHBs. Other peoples money ? Who cares.
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December 11, 2011 8:48am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

So what do you all think of Lindsay Lohan’s latest pictorial?
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December 11, 2011 8:57am
Griff

KH (397) Says:
December 11th, 2011 at 8:38 am

But Nick Smith needs to work out that the battery option is not useful for electricity storage. He will find out. Better to store your electricity by making it into Hydrogen

Another misinformed dreamer.

Hydrogen is a no go as a transport energy source

1. How do you produce hydrogen efficiently? present systems are at best 60% efficient using natural gas better to just burn the gas directly
2. How do you store hydrogen at high density? Its very very explosive and leaks out of storage vessels

Hydrogen might be a Green wet dream. In the real world its not going to happen. Just like electric cars its a Stupid technological dead end.

Diesel from coal is NZ’s fuel of the future
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December 11, 2011 9:10am
Scott Chris

Hmm.. Something smells. Canterbury earthquake insurance assessors *average* wage bill was…..:

$177,000pa each!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/6121245/Quake-assessors-wage-bill-144m

“The Earthquake Commission spent $144,528,907 on contracted assessors to inspect damage from September 4, 2010, until September 30 this year. The commission said it contracted 814 assessors in that time, 95 from Australia, meaning the $145.5m bill averaged out to more than $177,000 per assessor in just over a year.

Although the amount includes food, flights and accommodation costs for out-of-town assessors, it was much larger than the standard salary expectation.

Recruitment company Hays’ 2011 salary guide listed the expected salary of an insurance loss assessor in Christchurch or Wellington at between $55,000 to $80,000 a year, with seniors expected to earn $70,000 to $100,000.”
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December 11, 2011 9:10am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

[In Christchurch] A conservative Christian politician has a secret life as a sperm donor for lesbian couples – even though he has campaigned against gay marriage.
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His actions as a sperm donor sparked concern in the fertility medicine community, whose guidelines recommend donations are made in the regulated environment of a fertility clinic, and that no man provide sperm donations to more than four families.

What is a little unclear from this article, because it doesn’t directly say, is how the donations are made.
Is this man just going forth and multiplying, or committing adultery?
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December 11, 2011 9:27am
dog_eat_dog

Griff – Electric cars with a marketable range will happen, but the problems will be making cells using non rare-Earth metals and without the added complexity ballooning the already huge costs of batteries. I’m no Greenie, but I am very excited about the potential for electric vehicle technology in the coming decade.

RE: Biodiesel – Incidentally, MIT have developed a chemical fuel cell that will, in a stack of ten, produce electrical energy more efficiently than an ICE while taking up a fraction of the space/weight.

http://www.technologyreview.com/energy/39203/?p1=MstRcnt
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December 11, 2011 9:35am
labours a joke

We let this sort of abuse just carry on day in day out..and she’s to receive counselling ? What is wrong with NZ. Staggering.

“A mother who killed her child has given birth while in prison.
Maine Annabella Ngati and her partner Teusila Fa’asisila were each sentenced to eight years and six months’ for the manslaughter of Ngati’s 3-year-old son Ngatikaura Ngati in 2007. They were ordered to serve a minimum of four years and eight months.

Ngati appeared before the Parole Board on November 7 and was denied release. However, the board’s decision revealed she had given birth while in prison.

Maine Annabella Ngati and her partner Teusila Fa’asisila were each sentenced to eight years and six months’ for the manslaughter of Ngati’s 3-year-old son Ngatikaura Ngati in 2007. They were ordered to serve a minimum of four years and eight months.

Ngati appeared before the Parole Board on November 7 and was denied release. However, the board’s decision revealed she had given birth in prison.She has a lot of children and we believe she has even given birth to another child while on this prison sentence. That child has been fostered or adopted into the community,” the report said.

A jury in the High Court at Auckland heard how Ngati would punch her son in the face, strike him with a stick and whack him around the head.

Ngatikaura had transformed from a happy and confident boy to a terrified child who would mess his pants then try to throw the evidence out of the window to avoid beatings.

He was hit with weapons including a bat, and his blood was found throughout the house, including on the ceiling.

Ngati would be entitled to reapply for parole in 12 months and Fa’asisila would go before the board this month.

Corrections psychological services director Nikki Reynolds said the department would consider a request for Ngati to have counselling”
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December 11, 2011 10:08am
Viking2

Kakapo Training.
Apparently this male is a bit frisky and likes human company.

http://gewius.com/?p=71
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December 11, 2011 10:09am
Pauleastbay

The only thing they didn’t say regarding the assessors in ChCh is that they are all contractors.
So they will all have to pay their own tax and GST out of that and will will wearing concomitant expences like typists, ACC, income protection insurance, public liability insurance etc materials etc

The Recruitment Company has supplied figures showing a salary for an assesor employed by a firm where all of the above are taken care of by the employer.

So its not a salary situation but a consultant situation. Can you imagine the costs if they has been employed where there was an annula leave figure factore in as well.

Another example of no research being done for publishing. So nothing smells just commercail realities
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December 11, 2011 10:09am
Griff

I have lived for the last five years using solar and wind for domestic energy so I am familiar with both in the real world. Expensive time consuming and no more than an interesting experiment at its best

Better batteries- all you need is the philosophers stone and they would work eh
At present you get 80 km a charge and way expensive to replace after 5-10 years enviro-mental thinking at its best

Where are U going to get all this electricity from ?
Hydro no go the greenery will not allow more dams
Wind only blows some times and cost to much to maintain
Solar har har har dream on Ten times the cost of any other alternative and we have clouds and winter
Nuclear not in this country any time soon if ever
So you will end up burning coal or oil to power cars with electricity

biodiesel costs to much and distorts food pricing

The cost of fuel cells to drive one car around 400,000 usa dollers yea right then there is the rare earths needed.Way to EXPENSIVE for the real world
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December 11, 2011 10:12am
Brian Smaller

So what do you all think of Lindsay Lohan’s latest pictorial?

She is a self-obsessed, druggie, shop-lifter with no career in front of her and not much behind her. Still, I’d bang her.
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December 11, 2011 10:17am
dog_eat_dog

Griff – Technology has this funny habit of improving over time. Either that or I swear the 386s we use these days are just a little bit more nippier than they were in 1992. If you want to pretend that the current situation is going to be permanent, then knock yourself out.
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December 11, 2011 10:24am
Scott Chris

Well taking into account the insurance assessors compliance costs ($10,000), 10 return flights to wherever ($10,000), accommodation and food, ($25,000) and high end salary ($100,000), a $177,000 wage bill each sounds like an employment agency rip-off to me. The bigger the wage, the bigger the commission for the agency, and a cash cow public institution to pay for it.

These people weren’t being sent to Afghanistan or East Timor. Just a broken city.
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December 11, 2011 10:29am
Griff

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/10/nyregion/joshua-komisarjevsky-gets-death-for-cheshire-killings.html

“The lawyers said that Mr. Komisarjevsky was sexually abused as a child, suffered mood disorders and head injuries, abused drugs and cut himself with glass, knives and razors, and that his evangelical Christian adoptive parents denied him proper care, relying instead on religion.”

Great as well as sexual abuse, mental disorders and drug problems as an excuse for criminal acts you can now use a Cristian upbringing as an excuse for committing heinous crimes
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December 11, 2011 10:33am
Pauleastbay

Its not a wage theres $23000 in GST alone in that total plus tax .

I was offered a job down there, don’t get me wrong its a good earn but not as good as this article makes out.
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December 11, 2011 10:37am
reid

EU difficulties:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8946836/EU-Treaty-new-EU-plan-abuses-power-say-lawyers.html

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100013758/europes-blithering-idiots-and-their-flim-flam-treaty/
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December 11, 2011 10:39am
Griff

dog_eat_dog

how many billions have been spent on these Green dreams in the last two decades?
in 1990 they were predicting automotive fuels cells in general use by 2000 still no closer than 2020 now
batteries same story

Its all a massive dream that is no closer than never
I am telling the truth not gilding the lily with magic solves that do not exist
Its like driving a pious great for dreamers that can afford it Not great if U do a cost benefit on the true stats

Want to go green then drive a diesel mini or similar not as exciting but far more rational choice
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December 11, 2011 10:46am
flipper

I must say, Griff, that it is nice to have some COMMON SENSE on electric cars etc etc

We all know that hydro generating capacity can be stored in a lake until required. Same with Nuclear, oil and gas. To those who advocate “greener” generation, such as wind, tides and solar it would help if they could provide an outline of the storge facilities that are now, or might be in the future, available for “green” options.

In respect of batteries….they are real nasties and are almost all now mAnufactured in China where the “disposal” mof the horrific bi-products is not [?] a problem.

Good zstuff, Griff.
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December 11, 2011 10:57am
Scott Chris

I applaud Nick Smith’s initiative, both from a political PR and personal point of view. I expect the range of his vehicle is far greater than the 75km claimed above. So what if you have to charge every couple of days? Its as easy as taking a crap, and the storage capacity is only going to increase in time. If you’ve got $60,000 to spend, then why not?

FYI, the Tesla Roadster can travel 245 miles (394 km) per charge; more than double that of prototypes and evaluation fleet cars currently on the roads. The Roadster can be fully recharged in about 3.5 hours from a 220-volt, 70-amp outlet which can be installed in a home.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster
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December 11, 2011 11:24am
Manolo

Since when the resignation of a bloody spin doctor from TVNZ is news? http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772391&ref=rss
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December 11, 2011 11:29am
Manolo

Scott Chris, do you support the ETS?
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December 11, 2011 11:30am
reid

Check out this video and overseas post about how Key is working under instructions from the World Bank to rape and pillage our once-great nation. I think the video producer must’ve used Sue Bradford and Nicky Hagar as special consultants, it’s that funny.

http://ppjg.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/18957/#comment-14131

It’s interesting that while the video alleges this all stems from NZ signing up to World Bank legislation in 1961 it never seems to occur to the idiotic mental who put this together to ask the very simple question of if this is the case then how come Liarbore in any of its carnations over the decades since not once has ever talked about repealing it? Does that mean the bankers control Liarbore as well? It must do, and Mana, the MP, Winston and the Gweens. All of those guys apparently according to this, must also be controlled by the bankers.

…

We’re through the looking glass people. Don’t panic.
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December 11, 2011 11:30am
Elaycee

Buckle up, reid.

Soon we’ll see this video clip forming the basis of another conspiracy theory courtesy of Penny not-so and before we know it, she’ll arrive on cue at Kiwiblog – arms akimbo / beret tilted / lips pouting / brow furrowed and commencing her latest breathless revelation with her well worn catch cry: ‘Hello Kiwibloggers. Have you seen this?’

Bugger….. there goes the neighbourhood.
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December 11, 2011 11:39am
Griff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_RoadsterTesla Motors to sell customers a US$12,000 option for replacement of the battery pack after its 7-year/70,000 miles (110,000 km) lifespan.[133][134] This lowers the battery cost to 17.1¢/mile and, using electricity costs of 1.4¢/mile, results in a cost equivalence of 21.5 mpg

Shit costs as much as a v8 to run
price to buy around 200,000nz dollars

Expensive toy for the rich and stupid
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December 11, 2011 11:41am
Nookin

Nothing like a gracious winner -eh?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6122067/Bennett-accused-of-beneficiary-bashing
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December 11, 2011 11:53am
Scott Chris

Griff says:- “Expensive toy for the rich and stupid”

1) Rich people generally aren’t stupid.

2) Expensive toy maybe, but that’s just the tesla, which is a specialist car showing the way. In five years the Chinese will make a similar car with twice the capacity for $15,000. That’s progress.
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Manolo says:- “do you support the ETS?”

Yes.
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December 11, 2011 11:53am
reid

Yes Elaycee, I’m “looking forward” to it.

It’s ironic isn’t it that people like Penny and Sue and Nicky are just so close to the actual truth it’s just they can’t see the massive elephant standing right beside them as they wave and point hysterically at the latest “evidence.”

The elephant of course being that it’s their own side which does it as well, to the extent its done at all. These people really don’t see that people like Clinton and Blair and Hulun are just as culpable, if anything like this is actually happening at all.

What I’m saying is, clearly Penny and Sue and Nicky and thousands of others really truly believe this is happening. But to think that its only about finance and capital movement and completely ignore that it just might be about social engineering as well displays a profound ignorance as to what the “theory” is all about. It’s cognitive dissonance of the most massive kind, causing all of these people to pointlessly flail away with total crap such as what Bradford and Hagar publish, which sheds no light on anything ever because their fundamental premise about how the world works is completely and utterly wrong in every single possible way.

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Chris, why do you support the ETS? Can’t you see countries are winding it back all over the place as the “science” falls apart and does this say anything to you in respect of what is the wrong and right thing to do here?
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December 11, 2011 11:54am
Viking2

Talking of fucking stupid.
This from the stellar performer in Waitakere Labour.

Bennett accused of ‘beneficiary bashing’
NEIL REID
Last updated 10:58 11/12/2011

NATASHA MARTIN/Fairfax NZ
CLOSE RACE: Paula Bennett.
Carmel Sepuloni

Carmel Sepuloni has fired a barb at Paula Bennett, saying Waitakere voters gave the Crown minister her marching orders in response to ”constant beneficiary bashing”.

The Labour MP yesterday was announced as the winner of the hotly-contested west Auckland electorate,

toppling the sitting Minister of Social Development by an 11-vote margin.
National are seeking a recount and Bennett will remain in Parliament via her high ranking on the National Party list.

Speaking soon after being told of her tight triumph, Sepuloni said the result was a clear message of discontent at Bennett and the hard-line welfare policies she is pushing.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/6122067/Bennett-accused-of-beneficiary-bashing

Hopefully Key and Bennet and Whale will go hand her her arse in court. Thick as 10 planks. What a disgrace having to pay this no hoper 200k for the next three years.
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December 11, 2011 11:55am
reid

Cool. My first download will be gladiatorial combat techniques.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2072177/Learning-skills-like-characters-The-Matrix-set-reality-say-scientists.html

V2 sad isn’t it that there in reality is nothing like ‘beneficiary bashing’ in any policy quite the opposite in fact yet our society is so profoundly broken that hundreds of thousands will respond to that label she has put out like a pavlovian salivating dog especially when they here it tonight on the TV news.
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December 11, 2011 12:03pm
RF

Carmel Sepuloni… what a nasty piece of work. The speaker of the house should have named her and tossed her out of the chamber when she was mouthing off at the PM.

I hope Paula wins her recount so this piece of trash gets dumped again.
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December 11, 2011 12:05pm
Scott Chris

reid says:- “why do you support the ETS”

Mainly because I’m a warmist, but also, I think the ETS pays for itself in terms of a clean green ‘Brand Image’.
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December 11, 2011 12:09pm
mister nui

Scott Chris whinges:

Hmm.. Something smells. Canterbury earthquake insurance assessors *average* wage bill was…..:

$177,000pa each!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/christchurch-earthquake/6121245/Quake-assessors-wage-bill-144m

“The Earthquake Commission spent $144,528,907 on contracted assessors to inspect damage from September 4, 2010, until September 30 this year. The commission said it contracted 814 assessors in that time, 95 from Australia, meaning the $145.5m bill averaged out to more than $177,000 per assessor in just over a year.

Although the amount includes food, flights and accommodation costs for out-of-town assessors, it was much larger than the standard salary expectation.

Recruitment company Hays’ 2011 salary guide listed the expected salary of an insurance loss assessor in Christchurch or Wellington at between $55,000 to $80,000 a year, with seniors expected to earn $70,000 to $100,000.”

Clearly you know nothing about employing expat contractors, scotty. They are very lucky to have got away with those costs, I would expect these contractors to be on $1000/day, with a minimum $600/week (probably more in Chch, as most houses/hotels were fucked) housing allowance and a per diem. Then there are the flights back to their place of domicile, on a monthly basis.

Comparing an assessor rates with the Hays salary guide is absolutely meaningless in this instance, and the dropkicks in the media are probably too damn thick to know this, and or just looking for some sensationalism. I’m a contractor and there is no fucking way that I would work for the rates for my position in the Hays Salary Guide.

When NZ’ers finally grow up and stop kicking at all the tall poppies that earn any sort of decent income, then finally we might get some real wage growth, until that time keep on with the envy instead of aspiration.
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December 11, 2011 12:12pm
reid

Just in case people think banksters aren’t fraudsters.

http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/n6t0w/lobbyists_have_wrote_us_laws_that_have_set_up_the/

Scott so you admit AGW is a political not scientific phenomena then and we should conduct our analysis not on whether its a genuine phenomena but rather purely on what is in the best national interests of NZ? Good, that’s what I’ve been telling you for simply ages now.

Crikey, it took you long enough. To an extend our national interest is served by the branding c.f. e.g. the UK’s departure tax but only to the extent that like you until just now, many many members of the public have been taken in by the glitzy worldwide propaganda roadshow that has been the AGW lipstick on the scientific pig. So yes there are a lot of those idiots, still, but they’re not the source of our best national interest argument.

Our best gain from an ETS is the UN cuddles us and strokes our head because we were a good little country. That’s the very best real on the ground source of actual runs we will gain from an ETS.

Notice that in neither of those calculations is it at all necessary to bring science into it.
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December 11, 2011 12:25pm
flipper

And I thought we had only penny dim to worry about.

Scott Chris, I invite you to quote a single piece of properly (anon, but qualified) peer reviewed reseach that supports AGW warming …… and all that “brand image” BS.

But please ….. do not serve up political / assertion rubbish in the guise of science.
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December 11, 2011 12:28pm
Brian Smaller

Labour were offering solo mums on the DPB another $70 a week in the hand. Anything less is beneficiary bashing.
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December 11, 2011 12:40pm
plebe

Such bitterness such hatred on a beautiful Sunday,its really sad.

Carmel Sepuloni… what a nasty piece of work. The speaker of the house should have named her and tossed her out of the chamber when she was mouthing off at the PM.

I hope Paula wins her recount so this piece of trash gets dumped again.
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December 11, 2011 1:02pm
reid

Ridiculous isn’t it Brian.

When the global economy is in the trickiest state anyone alive has ever seen, the media don’t talk about that, they prefer to talk about how dire is poverty in the land of plenty when to solve it all that needs to happen is for the rich to give up their tax cuts and that will make it all better.

This is the actual communication which has spewed out of our media in the last year or so. Nothing much about how tricky things are, over there.

But plenty of the most possible unhelpful messages to the public along the lines of more spending to redress the social imbalance is desirable because it’s human.

Thus fooling literally hundreds of thousands of people into thinking we don’t need to change any settings other than the tax cuts for the rich.

I mean appalling service from the media doesn’t even begin to cover the travesty.
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December 11, 2011 1:05pm
Other_Andy

@Brian

More beneficiary bashing.

A mother of four is accused of leading a group responsible for $1.16 million fraud against Inland Revenue.

Briggs, 33, of Mangere, appeared in court this week with 10 others for allegedly cheating the online tax-return system.
Briggs faces 280 charges of accessing a computer and four of participating in an organised criminal group.
The South Auckland beneficiaries, aged 23 to 49, allegedly filed fraudulent online tax returns for friends and family members, who were also on benefits.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772365
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December 11, 2011 1:25pm
nasska

reid

You have a long uphill road to push this argument along. How do you expect to gain converts with only peripheral notions such as science or fact? The warmists don’t worry about detail….they know, because they have this warm fuzzy feeling deep in their intestines, that Ghaia is right & that the MSM will save us.

How dare you introduce doubt into their fairy tale world!
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December 11, 2011 1:26pm
reid

Earth of Moron

Extremely funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgrgoSEmu_A
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December 11, 2011 1:29pm
Griff

“2) Expensive toy maybe, but that’s just the tesla, which is a specialist car showing the way. In five years the Chinese will make a similar car with twice the capacity for $15,000. That’s progress.”

No you are dreaming green wet dreams

Even if they did the cost to run would be still more than a small diesel

All on here will have experienced batteries problems in their cellphone or laptop at some stage try your chances with 6,831 lithium ion cells arranged into 11 “sheets” connected in series; each sheet contains 9 “bricks” connected in series; each “brick” contains 69 cells connected in parallel.

Fuck that! Its going to cause problems PDQ.

Charging time on US domestic supply = 48 hours you do not have a70 amp supply to your house most are 64 amp more cost to fit new feed cables and a charger

Rich dicks wet dream

Not a viable cheap car even if the chinks make the whole thing it still will not be a viable alternative to Exploding dead tyrannosauruses juice converted to rotational movement.
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December 11, 2011 1:45pm
Scott Chris

flipper says:- “peer reviewed reseach that supports AGW warming …… and all that “brand image” BS.”

The brand image part is my opinion. As far as AGW science is concerned, there are hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies which prove that there is a *high likelihood* that the recent rise in global average temperature is attributable to mankind’s activity. To what degree is less certain.

But I won’t bother posting a link, because your mind is closed and you won’t read it. Even if you did, I doubt you have the necessary training to discern it’s authenticity. After all, you seem taken in by the spurious skeptical arguments.
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December 11, 2011 1:54pm
reid

Griff you’re wrong on the hydrogen. Just google the research that’s being done.

I can’t find it now but I saw an especially promising video on hydrogen balls which are swapped out for fresh ones at a normal petrol station. A normal engine is able to burn it and it uses the same distribution infrastructure. The balls solve the explosion issue in event of collision.

You’re quite right when you say electrics are the wrong way to go, the power you can get from hydrogen makes it the only viable alternative.

The key we haven’t yet got is how to produce it in sufficient quantities to make the whole thing viable but that’s just time before we get that process sorted.

After all, you seem taken in by the spurious skeptical arguments.

Why pray tell are the skeptical arguments spurious Chris?

You know my arguments are based on real world facts. AGW looks, smells and acts like a well-oiled propaganda campaign which it does. This is a fact which is neither spurious nor deniable. You’ve never put up an argument that it doesn’t look like that. So why wouldn’t one be skeptical, given that fact?
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December 11, 2011 1:56pm
reid

More FKN Newz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Txal7gLW5Ww&feature=relmfu
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December 11, 2011 2:05pm
Scott Chris

Griff

Oh ye of little faith. How long has lithium ion technology been on the market? 15 years maybe? Remember how buggy PCs were 15 years ago? And yet they perform better now with a factor of millions more times of circuits in them. That is a huge reliability gain, which happens through the *quality control process*.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_control

Apart from anything else, the battery cells are in parallel, so if one cell fails you get a small drop in capacity.

Kinda like Al Qaeda really. Except that Al Qaeda is self-replicating.
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December 11, 2011 2:11pm
publicwatchdog

Protest ‘CAMPS’ have an arguably long and internationally significant history.

eg: The Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp, lasted for 19 years – from 1981 – 2000.

http://www.greenhamwpc.org.uk/

“Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp
1981 – 2000

LINKS: Commemorative and Historic Site Non – Violent Women – v – The Crown Prerogative

On the 5th September 1981, the Welsh group “Women for Life on Earth” arrived on Greenham Common, Berkshire, England. They marched from Cardiff with the intention of challenging, by debate, the decision to site 96 Cruise nuclear missiles there. On arrival they delivered a letter to the Base Commander which among other things stated ‘We fear for the future of all our children and for the future of the living world which is the basis of all life’.

When their request for a debate was ignored they set up a Peace Camp just outside the fence surrounding RAF Greenham Common Airbase. They took the authorities by surprise and set the tone for a most audacious and lengthy protest that lasted 19years.

Within 6 months the camp became known as the Women’s Peace Camp and gained recognition both nationally and internationally by drawing attention to the base with well publicised imaginitive gatherings.

This unique initiative threw a spotlight on ‘Cruise’ making it a national and international political issue throughout the 80s and early 90s.

The presence of women living outside an operational nuclear base 24 hours a day, brought a new perspective to the peace movement – giving it leadership and a continuous focus. At a time when the USA and the USSR were competing for nuclear superiority in Europe, the Women’s Peace Camp on Greenham Common was seen as an edifying influence.

The commitment to non-violence and non-alignment gave the protest an authority that was difficult to dismiss – journalists from almost every corner of the globe found their way to the camp and reported on the happenings and events taking place there. ………….”

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” Bylaws Case
Dates of Creation 1985-1990
Reference Number(s) GB 106 5GCW/A/02
Physical Description 2 folders
Scope and Content

Correspondence, court papers and related notes regarding litigation begun in 1986 by Jean Hutchinson and Georgina Smith, (both GCW protestors) as a challenge to Bylaws introduced by the Ministry of Defence, 25 Apr 1985.

This legislation, introduced under the 1892 Military Lands Act, restricted movement in and around Greenham Common in an attempt to curb GCW protests, thus criminalising many protestors. The legal challenge was based on the grounds that the 1892 Act made provision for Bylaws on common land, provided that no rights of Common existed on the land, which was not the case with Greenham Common.

Over the course of four years, this case progressed from Magistrate’s to Crown to High Courts, eventually reaching the House of Lords. The Bylaws were pronounced invalid by the House of Lords on 12 Jul 1990. ”

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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December 11, 2011 2:15pm
reid

Except that Al Qaeda is self-replicating.

With a little help from the west everytime another wedding party/friendly get’s taken out.

Honestly if they’d listened to and used the British way of conducting oneself in both Iraq and Afghanistan none of this would have happened.

The years of colonial administration is in the UK’s institutional DNA and there is a very good reason why when they occupy militarily they don’t swagger around with huge weapons on hair triggers and if the US had done that day one Abu Gharrib wouldn’t have happened and none of the other disasters would have, either. And this wasn’t rocket science.

Instead they did the precise opposite completely in fact an OTT precise opposite almost guaranteed to drive millions of Muslims to support Al-Qaida in all sorts of ways. Duh.

Personally I’ve never believed the Americans were so stupid to have overlooked such an elementary strategy for they aren’t stupid and that means the designers who were Cheney and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and lots of other PNAC neocons, did it on purpose, just exactly according to their PNAC strategy announced years beforehand. It’s the same as Roger Douglas’ Listener article before the 1984 election which precisely outlined what came to be know as Rogernomics – that’s how well the PNAC strategy fits with everything that has happened since the US first went into Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Penny what did you say in court on Friday? I hear it was quite spectacular. Also, who is going to pay for any damage to the membrane over the Civic Car Park if you and the rest of the Occupiers have done any to it?
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December 11, 2011 2:24pm
big bruv

What the fuck are the NZ cricket team doing giving away all of the hard work of yesterday?
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December 11, 2011 2:26pm
Manolo

The completely deranged water woman has arrived. Yawn.
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December 11, 2011 2:26pm
Manolo

bruv, not in vain the NZ cricket team is known as the Black Craps.
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December 11, 2011 2:28pm
wat dabney

“there are hundreds of peer reviewed scientific studies…”

Of course one of the major revelations of the Climategate scandals is the extent to which the “scientists” on the global warming bandwagon conspired to manipulate and pervert the entire peer review process.
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December 11, 2011 2:31pm
reid

This is quite interesting – chain reaction

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQGtpo2IUxA&feature=related
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December 11, 2011 2:40pm
publicwatchdog

Hi ‘Manolo’! Which particular FACTS contained in my post : “Protest ‘CAMPS’ have an arguably long and internationally significant history.

eg: The Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp, lasted for 19 years – from 1981 – 2000.

http://www.greenhamwpc.org.uk/” appear to have jammed your ‘apoplectic’ button on full?

What on earth can be ‘completely deranged’ about bringing FACTS to the attention of Kiwibloggers?

A little bit of ‘projection’ happening here, gutless, anonymous ‘Manolo’?

yawn………………

Penny Bright
waterpressure@gmail.com
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December 11, 2011 2:51pm
reid

Penny it’s customary when citing FACTS to assist the reader by drawing the connection between the FACTS in question and the point one is making.

I know. It’s peculiar isn’t it that people don’t just automatically work that out by themselves once one has placed the FACTS on the table but there we are. This is how it works not just on blogs but in real life as well.

So Penny, are you saying that cause the Greenham Common Women’s Peace Camp lasted for 19 years that the Occupiers should be allowed to stay for at least that long?

You are, aren’t you.

How about giving us more FACTS plus an argument as to why that connection exists apart from the FACT that you simply think it should, because we already know that FACT, we just want another one as well.

Well, some of us may. I’m not sure about myself yet but some of us may.
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December 11, 2011 3:16pm
bereal

On a lighter note.
i wondered yesterday if there was any political party anywhere that had such a high proportion
of gays and lesbians than the New Zealand Labour Party has had over recent years. (since Helen
Clark influenced selections)

toad then kindly pointed out that the Greens, had one lezzo and one shirtlifter. That represented 14%
of LGBTIs in the current Greens parliamentary lineup. A higher % even than Labour he thinks.
Is this a record ?
Given that it is now generally accepted that gays account for about 1 to 2 % of the general population.
How is it that NZ is so over represented in parliament ?

Also. i might be a bit behind the times but, LGBTI.
i get the LGBT but,
What does the I stand for ?
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December 11, 2011 3:19pm
wat dabney

Italians?
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December 11, 2011 3:20pm
reid

Somali pirates pick the wrong ship. It was Russian and they don’t like pirates very much, apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDmdtcyDVlg&feature=related
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December 11, 2011 3:27pm
chiz

I for intersex presumably.
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December 11, 2011 3:28pm
wat dabney

Speaking of Somali pirates, did ya’ll see the evil fucks at WWG and Oxfam proposing a shipping tax which would partly benefit themselves, at the expense of the World’s poorest.

http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2011/12/7/oxfam-trying-to-create-famine.html

One commenter nails it: “These [snip – please tone down the language] are in principle no different from the pirates operating out of Somalia, wanting to skive money off international shipping. And just as Oxfam would be solicitous to ensure that no-one gets their hands on the dosh unless they sign up to an eco-fascist agenda, so the pirates will be sure to share the booty only with their mates.“
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December 11, 2011 3:34pm
reid

What does the I stand for ?

Crikey bereal, good spotting. You realise what this means? The lefties have found yet another group which is discriminated against thereby adding to the growing pantheon of such privileged creatures.

It’s interesting isn’t it that the only pie the lefties seem to be interested in growing is the list of groups who are discriminated against and need therefore an extremely expensive compo package not to mention screeds of special legislation. Oh dear.

Let’s see, what could it be…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT

The initialisms are not agreeable to everyone that they literally encompass. On the one hand, some intersex people who want to be included in LGBT groups suggest an extended initialism “LGBTI” (recorded since 1999[8]).[9] This initialism “LGBTI” is used all parts of “The Activist’s Guide of the Yogyakarta Principles in Action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yogyakarta_Principles_in_Action

See then it gets real mental.

The Activist’s Guide of the Yogyakarta Principles in Action suggests it stands for “intersex”

Now fuck. Imagine being so fucked in the head your activist movement actually had something called “The Activist’s Guide of the Yogyakarta Principles in Action” which involved coming up with a new initial and it never even occurred to one that this very fact meant the movement would never get anywhere at all, if it took a whole entire activist’s guide to think of this one little thing, the letter “I.” Tell me that’s not mental.

chiz snap.
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December 11, 2011 3:44pm
bereal

Thanks for that chiz.
Still, i’d be interested to know how one differentuates between ‘transgender’ and ‘intersex’
That must be a very fine line that few can draw.
i suspect that it is just a ploy.
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December 11, 2011 3:47pm
bereal

Well done reid.
You put your finger on the real reason.
i get it now.

toad knew all along.
It is just a ploy/ruse to give them more creditability, even if it’s only in their minds.
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December 11, 2011 3:50pm
chiz

Transgender have well defined physical gender which doesn’t match their minds perception of their own gender. Intersex have ambiguous genitalia or other problems with physical gender.
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December 11, 2011 3:52pm
reid

Top 10 of idiots of the history of planet earth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndsivHfbxNY&feature=related

Number 4 is my fav.
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December 11, 2011 3:58pm
bereal

Hey chiz,
too much detail, i know that it’s not really a laughing matter for those effected but, on a lighter note,
what would we call a cross between a Transgender and an Intersex
or some poor sod that had a bit of both ?
Shit. iv’e got it. We could add another letter.
GLBTI…..and…………?
Your move..
Where is toad when we need some expert guidance ?
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December 11, 2011 4:11pm
reid

“If anyone thinks things are getting better then they simply don’t understand how severe the problems are. I think a major bank could fail within weeks,” said one London-based executive at a major global bank…

…The fear is the European authorities do not have the financial firepower to deal with the banks’ problems. Analysts at BarCap say that even if the European rescue funds were able to raise €1 trillion of funding this would only meet the needs of the Italian and Spanish government and banks.
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December 11, 2011 4:24pm
bereal

i wonder how much of the transgender/intersex problem is caused by incest ?

Of course, that would make it an economic problem which could be solved
by the even distributing of wealth.
Obvious isn’t it ?
Fuken capitalists, all paedophiles.
No poverty, no incest, no transgenders or intersexes.
Simple.
(just to save toad the bother of pointing that out )

Where is toad ? Or any leftard point to contradict the obvious ?
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December 11, 2011 5:25pm
reid

Here’s something different:

http://www.cracked.com/article_19055_7-bizarre-products-dressing-up-your-genitals.html
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December 11, 2011 5:58pm
reid

http://www.cracked.com/blog/charlie-sheens-guide-to-mental-wellness/
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December 11, 2011 6:52pm
reid

http://www.cracked.com/article_19012_5-hollywood-secrets-that-explain-why-so-many-movies-suck.html
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December 11, 2011 7:07pm
DJP6-25

Other_Andy 8:07 All must be right with the world if that’s all they’ve got to worry about then.

PS They can forget ever getting anything from me. The Salvos can have it.

cheers

David Prosser
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December 11, 2011 7:34pm
reid

If the Gweens really did care about the planet and its people they’d encourage all their members to do what this video shows, on the grounds if every Gween on Auckland’s motorways did this every single morning they would save the rest of us a great deal of highly valuable time in our morning commute and incidentally cause us to burn less gas from the old V8.

While they still have a lot of other things to make up for, patrolling Gween dwivers on our motorways every morning seems like a small yet practical and sensible way by which they can voluntarily (or we can legislatively compel them to – their choice) begin to make amends to the rest of us for everything they’ve ever done to us by way of wasting Parliamentary resources and time over the years they’ve been in office.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFqfTCL2fs&feature=player_embedded

If they object we’ll simply say something like: ~~failed policies of the 90’s~~ “Won’t someone think of the children” since all those catch-cries seem much the same, don’t they. If any of the Gween people don’t want to do it, we’ll just accuse them of not caring about the children.
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December 11, 2011 7:56pm
nasska

St. Peter stood at the Pearly Gates, waiting for new arrivals. He saw Jesus walking by and caught his attention. “Jesus, could you mind the gate while I go do an errand?”

“Sure,” replied Jesus. “What do I have to do?”

“Just find out about the people who arrive. Ask about their background, their family, and their lives. Then decide if they deserve entry into Heaven.”

“Sounds easy enough. OK.” So Jesus waited at the gates while St. Peter went off on his errand.

The first person to approach the gates was a wrinkled old man. Jesus summoned him to the examination table and sat across from him. He peered at the old man and asked, “What was it you did for a living?”

The old man replied, “I was a carpenter.”

Jesus remembered his own earthly existence and leaned forward. “Did you have any family?” he asked.

“Yes, I had a son, but I lost him.”

Jesus leaned forward some more. “You lost our son? Can you tell me about him?”

“Well, he had holes in his hands and feet.”

Jesus leaned forward even more and whispered, “Father?”

The old man leaned forward, too, and whispered, “Pinocchio?”
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December 11, 2011 8:00pm
reid

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_63_if-everything-was-made-by-microsoft_p18/#18
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December 11, 2011 9:08pm
reid

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_33_what-campaign-ads-would-look-like-if-voting-age-was-6_p23/#23
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December 11, 2011 9:13pm
reid

http://www.cracked.com/photoplasty_52_the-13-worst-possible-ad-placements_p13/
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December 11, 2011 9:17pm
Nookin

TV one News tonight showed a brief interview with David Cunliffe in which he stated that there was never going to be a leadership challenge during the last three years because there was a deal with Goff. Cunliffe said that he had given Goff his word that he would not be challenging for the leadership..

TV One then showed a brief interview with Goff in which Goff stated quite emphatically that there were no deals.

It is somewhat difficult to reconcile statements that are so diametrically opposed and made so emphatically. Is this the sort of thing about which one might be mistaken?

Whose credibility is gurgling down the drain pipe?
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December 11, 2011 9:52pm
calendar girl

Scott Chris @ 1:54pm: “But I won’t bother posting a link, because your mind is closed and you won’t read it. Even if you did, I doubt you have the necessary training to discern it’s authenticity.”

What stunning arrogance.
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December 11, 2011 10:57pm
Manolo

An incompetent “thinks” http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2072467/Obama-predicts-US-unemployment-drop-lowest-came-White-House.html
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