General Debate 10 December 2011

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Michael

Final election results declarded at 2pm. How many recounts/judicial reviews?
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December 10, 2011 8:08am
Keeping Stock

Is David Shearer being set up to be another fill-in Labour leader (or should that be Phil-in?)? Vernon Small seems to think so…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/12/another-fill-in-labour-leader.html
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December 10, 2011 8:17am
hj

“An example of the opprobrium heaped upon Migration Watch was this editorial in the Independent on August 6, 2002: “Most offensive of all is the choice of name, a grotesque echo of such groups as Human Rights Watch, with the implication that it is keeping a watch on Ministers who sneakily disguise the true extent of immigration. Migrationwatch UK is a nasty little outfit, and its duplicitous research should be treated with the gravest suspicion. The group deserves to fail; sadly in the current climate, it will continue to be given the oxygen of publicity”.

An article in the Guardian of 7 August 2002 was entitled “A swamp of muddled thinking”. It described the figure of two million as flawed, both in its composition and its assumptions.

It gives us no pleasure to see that we were right as we have indeed seen the largest wave of immigration in our history, with no public consultation, explanation or coherent justification,’ he said. ‘It is now abundantly clear that the public do not share the enthusiasm for the mass immigration that has changed parts of the UK beyond recognition and has, in many cases, weakened community cohesion.”
http://www.migrationwatchuk.org/
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December 10, 2011 8:24am
hj

Great Start Christchurch!
Nobel Village is a new subdivision going up in Yaldhurst. The City Plan and an Environment Court ruling require it to provide minimum street widths and cycle lanes. CCC planners have not required this of the developer. It all gets more than a bit murky as solicitors and bureaucrats resort to their bureaucrapise and legalese to justify why cyclists and local residents don’t count.

I had wanted to share a sample of the email correspondence between CCC and the neighbours’ group opposing unsafe streets but CCC emails state clearly that they may not be shared. More of CCC’s famous transparency and openness.
http://spokes.org.nz/newsletter/2011/06
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December 10, 2011 8:32am
hj

Houston we have an interesting problem
http://dc.streetsblog.org/2011/11/10/meet-the-rick-perry-donor-who-runs-texas-dot/
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December 10, 2011 8:42am
Falafulu Fisi

The reasoning process and logic of going to the pub.

El Farol Bar problem
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December 10, 2011 8:50am
Viking2

Auckland wharfies, eat ya heart out. Here is how to make money.

http://screencast.com/t/b7BLXIOJJgs
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December 10, 2011 8:59am
Viking2

Looking at the Rena picture above and looking ahead while listening to the chatter about, it will not be a surprise if Switzer lift this ship off the reef.
The are water tighting the bulkheads and working down that track.
If you look at the pic above you can see a gantry crane has been installed along the back of the bridge quarters , presumably for lifting gear on and off.

50 Containers off yesterday by 4p.m.
Major effort by those guys.
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December 10, 2011 9:06am
Viking2

http://screencast.com/t/foSGMff5qOZe

The crane that is doing the work. Accomodation on board for 152.
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December 10, 2011 9:10am
flipper

hj…
Isn’t the fundamental problem the involvement of the whole ‘crat/RMA/Enviro court rubbish ?
The councils already tax every new development (they call it a development fee and also require developers to install, at their cost, all utilities) and then they moan about the extra water and waste costs – and simply put up rates to meet those costs and their everlasting salary gravy train.
Would it not be easier to have a single nation-wide set of minimum standards, no development fees, no limits on where developments can occur – AND cheaper land ?

When Central Government takes dollar in taxes, only 75 cents is available for spending. The “system” (collection, policy advice, paid meals, and something called admin) eats the other 25%. So it is with local bodies, although my info is that the output is nearer to 70 cents than 75.

Time to scrub them all… well sort of. Certainly time for radical reform.
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December 10, 2011 9:15am
grumpyoldhori

A florid neo-liberal agenda, hell yes Nats, grow a pair and take lessons from the Richardson era.
Privatisation of the hospital system would be a damn good start, the average punter will see how much better the septic model is and would support it.
Bit of a bugger that we have democracy is it not ?

http://robertwinter.blogspot.com/2011/12/mandate-yes-extremism-no-nationals.html
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December 10, 2011 9:16am
Pete George

The UnitedFuture confidence and supply agreement with National raised the contentious issue of heli hunting.

In response a Heli-hunting group speaks out.

The guide and client were dropped within a few hundred metres of where the animal was likely to pass and, if needed, the helicopter was positioned by flying slowly and hovering so the animal would take the preferred route, and not rush off at high speed and disappear, Mr Withnall said.

It can be challenging enough to get close enough to animals on foot.

A helicopter drops off ‘guide and client’ and then ‘flying slowly and hovering’ so the animal toddles along the ‘preferred route’ so the client can pop off an ‘aerially assisted trophy’?!!

What planet do they fly on?

http://yournz.org/2011/12/10/heli-hunting/
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December 10, 2011 9:21am
adze

Some interesting findings about motivation and reward at work, explained in an entertaining way.

http://youtu.be/u6XAPnuFjJc
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December 10, 2011 9:22am
adze

Pete, I don’t understand the objection to heli-hunting. Is it because it’s noisy and spooks the game for hunters on the ground, or is it because of some Bushido-esque credo about having to give the animal a chance before it can be legitimately killed? If the latter, I don’t buy it. To those objectors I say: Never buy meat from the supermarket again if you feel that strongly about it. Absurd to make something illegal on that basis.
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December 10, 2011 9:28am
flipper

adze…
Agreed…
But you forgot about “luv my hair” Peter’s West Coast constituency – you know, the one headed by the ex bank robber!
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December 10, 2011 9:33am
hj

Auckland wharfies eat ur heart out. This is how libertarians do it!
http://www.listener.co.nz/uncategorized/house-of-the-rising-sum/
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December 10, 2011 9:35am
Pete George

adze – have you ever done any stalking? If so you will have an idea of how easy it would be to sneak up on an animal with a helicopter. And how likely it is that with a bit of quiet manouvering you will get the animal to toddle into range of someone on the ground.
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December 10, 2011 9:50am
hj

The heli hunting argument is similar to the cycleway argument where anglers and fishing guides say all those people coming through will spoil the solitude. The interest of the weel-healed over more people travelling in a more earthbound manner .
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December 10, 2011 10:18am
Nookin

This is the convicted rapist who decided that it would be appropriate to move next door to his victim and who, according to some reports, was happy to make his presence known to the victim. It shows, I think, that the system does have its failings. Prisoners are paroled and can be called back during the period of parole. However, once the sentence is over, they are free and unrestrained. This case suggests that a lengthy probationary period surviving the end of the parole period might well be appropriate.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/6118795/Craig-Crofts-in-jail
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December 10, 2011 10:24am
Nookin

The debate about the use of helicopters for hunting can never be resolved satisfactorily unless specific areas are partitioned. The problem goes further than hunting. It extends to the whole issue of backcountry access.

Jetboating into wilderness areas is highly contentious. There is not the slightest doubt that it interferes with the solitude enjoyed by many trampers and fishers. On the other hand, a significant number of people can only gain access by mechanical means. Should access be denied to people who are elderly or unable to walk in to the wilderness area? Taking it to the extreme, we have the issue of the proposed greenstone monorail. This will provide the access that does not presently exist. However, at what cost?

The debate does not stop with hunting, fishing or tramping. We have already had the debate in relation to mining. There are some very strongly conflicting values. Value conflicts are the most difficult to resolve. This is where Reid joins in with his notion of cognitive dissonance.

There may well be a higher value which may assist resolving the conflict but the problem is achieving universal acceptance of that higher value.
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December 10, 2011 10:33am
travellerev

For those of you curious in what kind of world John Key thrived here are some facts about Wall street which by the way is heavily involved in the wars currently fought in the middle east once again making a mint out of them while the rest of the global population pays for these wars.

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2011/12/10/professor-antony-sutton-wall-street-the-rise-of-hitler/

Also a couple of days ago I saw someone write with glee about the illegal war crimes of bombing a sovereign Nations military installations. This country which by the way has not attacked another Nation in hundreds of years so I thought I’d inject some facts about Iran in here in the next couple of days for those of you believing the propaganda crap about this highly civilized peaceful country.

Here is one about those “suppressed” women of Iran: http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2007/02/22/iranian_women_outcode_american_women
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December 10, 2011 10:36am
adze

Pete, I can easily imagine. My question remains: So?
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December 10, 2011 10:38am
Manolo

Take a look at this proposed design: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/proposed-s-korean-towers-resemble-exploding-world-trade-center_611802.html
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December 10, 2011 10:44am
Other_Andy

@ travellerev

“This country which by the way has not attacked another Nation in hundreds of years so I thought I’d inject some facts about Iran in here in the next couple of days for those of you believing the propaganda crap about this highly civilized peaceful country.”

We will ignore the fact that the Iranian regime is fighting a war by proxy against Israel.
They are supplying Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons, training ‘palestinian’ terrorists in Iran, and aiding them financially and logistically.
They are supporting the Syrian regime and have been responsible (Together with Syria) for some major conflicts in Lebanon.
Badr forces lead by Muqtada al-Sadr, the well-known anti-American Shiite cleric aligned with the Iranian regime, are not only fighting in Syria in support of the Assad regime but are also responsible for fermenting ethnic strife in Iraq.
Peaceful, yeah right.
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December 10, 2011 11:04am
travellerev

Ah a rabid Israel supporter. Here is what your precious Israel and the US are doing: http://tarpley.net/2011/04/03/al-qaeda-pawns-of-cia-insurrection-from-libya-to-yemen/

And just in case your going for the anti Semite angle I’m with these guys:
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
And http://www.gilad.co.uk/ Gilad Atzmon’s site whom I’m very proud to call friend
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December 10, 2011 11:11am
travellerev

Here they meet with Ahmadinajad: http://www.nkusa.org/activities/demonstrations/2006Sept21.cfm

By the way Ahmadinajad never denied the holocaust. He just asked why the Palestinians had to suffer for something the Germans had done and the remark about wiping Israel of the map is another Western propaganda scam here is the correct translation of the speech: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article12790.htm
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December 10, 2011 11:17am
Other_Andy

“Ah a rabid Israel supporter. “
Ad homonym and a Straw man
“Here is what your precious Israel and the US are doing”
Tu Quoque

“And just in case your going for the anti Semite angle I’m with these guys:
http://www.nkusa.org/
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/
And http://www.gilad.co.uk/ Gilad Atzmon’s site whom I’m very proud to call friend”

That figures.
The extreme religious and the so called “I am not an Anti Semite but an Anti Zionist” crowd.
Aligning yourself with a ultra-Orthodox fringe group and a self-proclaimed “proud self-hating Jew” doesn’t give you credibility.
You should read a “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” from ML King.
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December 10, 2011 11:47am
wreck1080

I wonder if ports of auckland is more valuable just to fire everyone and sell up and cease business.

Let tauranga do the business.
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December 10, 2011 11:51am
Scott Chris

Yeah, Adze is right. Nothing wrong with heli-hunting. But the hunting lobby don’t like it, just as they don’t like 1080 poison, so of course Dunne is going to fight on behalf of their whims, because then they’ll vote for him if he does.

Thank God we don’t have ‘direct democracy’ in this country, like they do in California. Here’s the Jon Stewart Daily Show’s take on direct democracy:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-december-5-2011/california-s-direct-democracy-troubles
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December 10, 2011 12:01pm
Pete George

Scott Chris, how much do you know about heli hunting and what it can really be like? Or are you just basing your support for it on freedom of choice?

Hunting is supposed to be sort of sporting. Heli hunting is the equivalent of two people holding a boxer on the canvas while his opponent kicks his head in after breaking his kneecaps and fingers. Or of the All Black fifteen playing against the Taiwanese sevens team.
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December 10, 2011 12:09pm
Johnboy

I have no probs with targeted helihunting and use of 1080 Scotty.

Give me your address and GPS coordinates of your local reservoir? 🙂
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December 10, 2011 12:10pm
Johnboy

You are a man of knowledge Pete. I haven’t kept up with it. Are we talking Helihunting for rich tourists or DOC using choppers to cull the deer ?
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December 10, 2011 12:13pm
Pauleastbay

You’re wrong Pete. Theres nothing wrong with being flown into remote parts for animals. I’d love to be able to fly into areas where no one had bombed it up for a while.

I have friends who make their living from guiding and running helicopter companies, its good for them and good for our local economy. Its no different from going game fishing or any any fishing on a charter boat. You are paying for expertise.

Most operators have areas for commercial clients mostly on private land where there is money in it for the land owner. The clients pay big money and the expectation of an animal is high and rightly so.

These guys are’nt the problem DOC are the problem wanting to poison deer in areas that are available to people like myself who have to walk everywhere, which are the majority of us.
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December 10, 2011 12:16pm
reid

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/6119845/Europe-closer-to-fiscal-union-UK-isolated

I said months ago the EU crisis was going to lead to EU nations giving up their sovereignty to Brussels and now its happened.

If it really is just a conspiracy theory that the EU is the model for world govt aka the NWO, then it’s very peculiar isn’t it that it’s all playing out precisely how said theory predicts it will, with stuff like a manufactured crisis engineered to generate a solution which was always pre-destined. Stuff like that.

But no. It can’t be. This is just democracy in action, isn’t it. Nothing directed about it at all, in any way. That would be just fucking mental.

I’d love to be able to fly into areas where no one had bombed it up for a while.

They should let people hunt Bambi with grenades and stuff like that. Some people have no sense of humour, do they.
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December 10, 2011 12:19pm
Johnboy

Exaccery PEB. At my advanced stage of decrepitude I always pay for a chopper.

However being dropped in the sticks with all the comforts of home to go and chase the wily little buggers thru the scrub on foot is a different matter to being dropped on a ridge in view of the deer then have the chopper shoo them up to you.

Both are of course completely different to having helicopter gunships contracting to DOC to seek and destroy.

Perhaps Pete can elucidate his leaders stance?
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December 10, 2011 12:23pm
Pete George

Helihunting for rich tourists Johnboy. Nothing wrong with being flown into hunting areas, that’s been happening for yonks, and culling is sometimes necessary.

But I don’t see how being flown on top of an animal to get an ‘aerially assisted trophy’ will ever result in a fair or humane kill. It’s not sports hunting, it’s rich pricks skiting with their wallets.
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December 10, 2011 12:24pm
Scott Chris

Pete George says:- “how much do you know about heli hunting”

Not a lot, but I can’t see why it should be banned or regulated unless it impacts *in a significant way* on other hunter’s freedom to hunt, or causes noise pollution etc.

Personally I find the idea of heli-hunting distasteful, but that’s just me.

>>”It’s not sports hunting, it’s rich pricks skiting with their wallets.”

Not a good enough reason imo.
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December 10, 2011 12:25pm
Johnboy

Some of us have to hunt bambi reid.

Porirua town center is declared off limits I believe! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 12:26pm
Johnboy

If that’s what PD has got as a concession Pete I’m sorry I never voted for him.

If he can get DOC’s chopper budget reduced to zero next election its two ticks from me! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 12:28pm
Scott Chris

Johnboy says:- “I have no probs with targeted helihunting and use of 1080”

Yeah, well that’s cause you probably hunt fallow deer, not *red* deer. Or would that be the other way round?
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December 10, 2011 12:32pm
reid

unless it impacts *in a significant way* on other hunter’s freedom to hunt

Presumably it would Pete for the last I heard a deer hearing a helicopter engine having been carefully stalked for simply hours by a hunter on the ground, is liable to just run away. I’ve seen it on telly, you see. That’s what really happens. I don’t know why. It just does.
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December 10, 2011 12:35pm
Johnboy

Red’s and Japper’s Scotty.

I like to let my sport be ruled by my many prejudices.

I have been known to ping the odd Whitetail.

Only to keep the breed pure you understand. 🙂
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December 10, 2011 12:36pm
Johnboy

Some of them just shrink into the scrub reid. I’ve seen that.

Funniest thing of all is if two of you hunt in pairs on Stewart Island is watching your mate spooking the whitetail who sink to their knees and crawl off thru the crown fern!

Priceless! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 12:40pm
adze

Pete, how do you feel about freezing works? What if someone just wants a feed of wild venison by their own hand?

If the “sporting” aspect worries you, then simply call it something else – or poke the borax at the 19th hole. It’s complete overkill to make something illegal just because something isn’t sporting old bean. Cruelty to animals is another matter of course, and if that was an issue, then sure, look at that; but otherwise it’s overkill.
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December 10, 2011 12:45pm
Pete George

adze – cruelty to animals is an issue with helihunting. Hunters pride temselves on clean quick kills (as do freezing workers). Animals don’t usually stand still and wait when choppers fly in.

1. Searching for a game animal from the helicopter and chasing it until it is physically exhausted then landing at a random site client and guide disembark to shoot the game animal and retrieve it.

2. Searching for a game animal from the helicopter. Once an animal is located a random landing is made and client and guide get into position for a shot. The helicopter is then used to herd the game animal back toward the client and guide.

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/stop-guided-helicopter-hunting.html

There’s also the issue of ground hunters walking and stalking for hours, even days, and then a chopper comes and spooks all the animals in the area.
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December 10, 2011 1:05pm
JamesS

When it comes to shady New Zealanders heading across the Tasman and fleecing our Australian cousins the Mr Asia people were amateurs compared with this guy!

http://www.smh.com.au/national/11m-in-a-fortnight–and-millions-more-missing-from-health-funds-20111209-1oo3y.html
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December 10, 2011 1:06pm
Scott Chris

Pete George says:- “Hunters pride temselves on clean quick kills”

Many do. Some are fucking cowboys. (who’ll snap shoot at anything, like a female camper brushing her teeth with a l.e.d. headlamp on) I know this from personal experience, because when I was a late teen staying with farming friends up north during duck shooting season, you would have been horrified at some of the unsafe and redneck activities we got up to. I certainly shudder at the memory of them.
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December 10, 2011 1:17pm
Viking2

Once upon a time there lived a king.
The king had a beautiful daughter, the PRINCESS.

But there was a problem. Everything the princess touched would melt.

No matter what;

Metal,

Wood,

Stone,

Anything she touched would melt.

Because of this, men were afraid of her. Nobody would dare marry her.

The king despaired. What could he do to help his daughter?

He consulted his wizards and magicians. One wizard told the king, ‘If your daughter touches one thing that does not melt in her hands, she will be cured.’

The king was over joyed and came up with a plan next day, he held a competition. Any man that could bring his daughter an object that would not melt would marry her and inherit the king’s wealth.

THREE YOUNG PRINCES TOOK UP THE CHALLENGE.

The first brought a sword of the finest steel.

But alas, when the princess touched it, it melted, and the prince went away sadly.

The second prince brought diamonds.
He thought diamonds are the hardest substance in the world and would not melt. But alas, once the princess touched them, they melted. He too was sent away disappointed.

The third prince approached. He told the princess,

‘Put your hand in my pocket and feel what is in there.’

The princess did as she was told, though she turned red.

She felt something hard. She held it in her hand.

And it did not melt!!!

The king was overjoyed. Everybody in the kingdom was overjoyed. And the third prince married the princess and they both lived happily ever after.

Question: What was in the prince’s pants?

(Scroll down for the answer)

V

V

M&M’s of course. They melt in your mouth, not in your hand.

What were you thinking?? You know I wouldn’t send anything rude
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December 10, 2011 1:17pm
Pauleastbay

Pete

Give it up, you’ve lost this one.

You don’t get much more physically exhausted than being shot.

I don’t know where you got this sports thing from. We hunt at my my house for meat. Only wankers hunt for heads and leave the meat, so it doesn’t matter if you fly in, levitate in or walk in – if you don’t eat it- fuck off.

Also a helicoter won’t spook all the animals in an area, where are they goin to go to, Australia? A ground hunter can put animals to ground just as easy as a machine
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December 10, 2011 1:18pm
Johnboy

Well James the poor Aussies just have to learn, what all of us wise Godzoners ( apart from the government), learned years ago, that you never, ever, put a jigaboo in charge of the cheque book! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 1:18pm
chaffnz

Heli-hunting on public land wasn’t allowed. Heli-hunting was occurring (legally) all over the place on private land, lots of people were making lots of money, noone cared. DoC got a strange idea that they could get a piece of some magical heli-hunting income stream by charging concessions for people to heli-hunt on public land administered by DoC. Why did they think this idea would be supported by the owners of said land? Who knows. Their maths was daft anyway but that’s besides the point.

Heli-hunting was lobbied for by individuals/ companies that want to make money off public land. Who misses out? The very large majority of the owners of the land, who have their experience ruined (walkers, hunters etc), who can’t afford the same opportunities as the wealthy tourists who can still (as they have done for so long) heli-hunt on private land anyway. But no lets open the whole country to foreign hunters at the expense of the land owners… 🙁 for what?

Personally I think heli-hunting can be done humanely or inhumanely. That doesn’t mean it’s right. If a private land owner wants to make money let them, but our land is for all NZers, not for all wealthy foreigners at the expense of your ‘average’ kiwi who wants to enjoy the hills, and sure that may include a trophy animal down the line, and that’s fine too.
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December 10, 2011 1:20pm
Viking2

A new phenomenom called
E-MOONING
We all know those cute little computer symbols called ’emoticons,’ where:

🙂 means a smile and

🙁 is a frown.

Sometimes these are represented by

🙂

🙁

Well, how about some ‘ASSICONS?’
Here goes:

(_!_) a regular ass

(__!__) a fat ass

(!) a tight ass

(_*_) an ass hole

{_!_} a swishy ass

(_o_) an ass that’s been around

(_x_) kiss my ass

(_X_) leave my ass alone

(_zzz_) a tired ass

(_E=mc2_) a smart ass

(_$_) Money coming out of his ass

(_?_) Dumb Ass

You have just been e-mooned!
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December 10, 2011 1:21pm
Johnboy

Old, live, hunters are hunters who have picked their hunting mates very carefully Scotty.

Obviously you learned from your youthful experience so you are able to still apply your wisdom to our forum today! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 1:24pm
Pete George

Paul, I haven’t lost this one, i was putting it out here seeing what comments came up.

And there’s a fairly good chance there’ll be a law change on this, depending on final election results and what parties might support the proposal.
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December 10, 2011 1:25pm
Johnboy

Your various asses have been pawned V2! 🙂

Sorry about that! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 1:26pm
Pete George

Sounds like confirmation National have lost a seat, meaning they will need both Dunne and Banks or the Maori Party to get a majority.
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December 10, 2011 1:30pm
reid

Hunting’s not really a burning issue in people’s minds though is it Pete.

I mean what with the GFC and all.
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December 10, 2011 1:33pm
Pauleastbay

Pete

they have Dunne and Banks already

And Reid is right , Pete ” the hair do” would have been a bit better off getting some concessions like Banksey rather than some unenforcable crap regarding private helicopter operators.

When you say ” ..i was putting it out here seeing what comments came up..” you are being a tad disengenious, you had an opinion thats fine, its just most of us disagreed.

Talk of sporting, I was in Wanaka 20 years ago, an Aussie came out of the Park and didn’t have a head. He asked the operator who also owned a deer farm, how much for a hybrid. $1000 a point was the answer, he dropped a stag in the paddock and wrote out a cheque for $25K. Everyone was happy, not sport but we had a big night
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December 10, 2011 1:44pm
Viking2

Ah but johnboy don’t so dismissive for here is the eqution os success.

This comes from 2 math teachers with a combined total of 70 yrs.. experience.
It has an indisputable mathematical logic. It also made me Laugh Out Loud.
This is a strictly mathematical viewpoint..it goes like this:

What Makes 100%?

What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?

Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%.

How about achieving 103%?

What makes up 100% in life?

Here’s a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

If:
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

and

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But ,

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

And,

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that while Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, its the Bullshit and Ass Kissing that will put you over the top.

Now you know why some people are where they are!

😯 🙂 8) 😆
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December 10, 2011 2:11pm
reid

Couple of revealing articles on UK teacher’s attitudes which I would imagine translate 100% to here.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/8943983/Exam-boards-We-now-work-in-exam-factories-say-teachers.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/8943763/Exam-boards-investigation-how-the-exam-boards-compete-to-be-easier.html

How come it never seems to occur to most teachers that perhaps one way to achieve what you have dedicated your life to, which is to educate people, might be to lift expectations instead of lowering them. I mean if everyone had the attitude teachers have then most people would never learn to walk because mothers would think their baby’s struggles to learn how to were cruel so she’d organise one of those state-funded support cradles for the poor thing.
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December 10, 2011 2:19pm
JamesS

Johnboy 1:18pm – you said it not me ha ha
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December 10, 2011 2:44pm
Johnboy

I work with a 103/118 percenter V2.

Must explain why the tosser gets paid more than me.
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December 10, 2011 2:49pm
Viking2

BOOHOO for the wharfies.
On, what, 90 grand a year and finding it tough at Xmas. The noun, wankers, comes to mind.

Angry wharfies are venting their frustration with the Ports of Auckland.

Maritime Union members have rallied at Mechanics Bay in support of their strike action.

The latest 24-hour stoppage began at 10:30 last night, after talks broke down.

Maritime Union president Garry Parsloe says workers are finding it tough, with Christmas just around the corner.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772243
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December 10, 2011 2:49pm
Johnboy

Some of us are brave/stupid enough to speak our minds JamesS!

But not many! 🙂
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December 10, 2011 2:50pm
hj

From The Arch Druid

“The point that has to be grasped just now, it seems to me, is that this is what peak oil looks like. Get past the fantasies of sudden collapse on the one hand, and the fantasies of limitless progress on the other, and what you get is what we’re getting—a long ragged slope of rising energy prices, economic contraction, and political failure, punctuated with a crisis here, a local or regional catastrophe there, a war somewhere else—all against a backdrop of disintegrating infrastructure, declining living standards, decreasing access to health care and similar services, and the like, which of course has been happening here in the United States for some years already. A detached observer with an Olympian view of the country would be able to watch things unravel, as such an observer could have done up to now, but none of us have been or will be detached observers; at each point on the downward trajectory, those of us who still have jobs will be struggling to hang onto them, those who have lost their jobs will be struggling to stay fed and clothed and housed, and those crises and catastrophes and wars, not to mention the human cost of the broader background of decline, will throw enough smoke in the air to make a clear view of the situation uncommonly difficult to obtain.
http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-12-08/what-peak-oil-looks
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December 10, 2011 2:51pm
Johnboy

What the wharfies should be doing with the huge cash they are earning. If they had a collective brain. 🙂

http://lostnewyorkcity.blogspot.com/2007/12/merry-christmas-from-stevedores.html
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December 10, 2011 2:55pm
reid

hj with respect peak oil has nothing to do with any of those elements.

The oil prices for no reason at all rose to over $100 a few years from the approx $20-30 bbl it used to be for decades until a few years ago. There was no particular traceable reason either in the supply chain or the security situation or the known reserves. This tells me this wasn’t a normal free-market movement but something else entirely.

Whether or not peak oil exists and I don’t give a fuck either way, the fact is, oil isn’t going to run out overnight and the steps we’re talking in alternative propulsion will be quite sufficient to adjust to it in good time, even if it is true.

It’s the same thing as AGW. The planet isn’t going to simply burst tomorrow, so just relax.
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December 10, 2011 3:02pm
reid

This isn’t very good is it. British Army has spent over 1 billion pounds on a vehicle procurement project yet no vehicles have yet appeared. I wonder if the project manager is going to get promoted?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/8944352/MoD-spent-1-billion-on-tank-programme-which-produced-no-vehicles.html
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December 10, 2011 3:36pm
Griff

Reid
alternative propulsion
There is no viable alternative to dead dinosaur juice
Electric dreams are just fantasy you need to generate to drive. How?
Hydrogen is a non starter as is fuel cells

No transport no economy no future
At best a medieval civilization for our children
Happy joy for Lee01 nite mere for the rest of us
This is the future maybe twenty years hence. not a long time in the scheme of things
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December 10, 2011 3:49pm
Manolo

Posted in yesterday’s GD by mistake:
Another “peaceful” family claims a young victim: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10772260
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December 10, 2011 4:16pm
hj

*************************************************************************
********** Banned from Green of AotearoaNZ Blog*************************
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[mostly for criticizing Keith Locke for his support of people running around with guns and doing military type training in the ureweras]
—————————
Go>

“There are better changes to regulation than removing the metropolitan urban limits, including removing minimum parking requirements and providing better incentives for high quality medium density development, that will reduce development costs and improve housing affordability. But the most important thing the central government needs to do now is factor changing demographic trends and demand for transport into their funding priorities.”

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/12/08/the-future-will-be-walkable/

The Greens want to keep Aucklands MUL while maintaining full steam ahead immigration policy*.

The government set up the Savings Working Group but they seem to be completely ignored by National, Labour and the Greens. Property investors agree that immigration boosts house prices but not the government , it seems. Given marketing offshore to large population countries you can imagine foreigners dominating the high quality inner suburbs and kiwis shoved sideways.

“immigration and tax breaks for investment in residential property are being cited as the underlying causes of steep increases in the cost of housing over the past decade.

New Zealand now boasts one of the highest rates of home unaffordability in the world as a result of prices rising far faster than incomes, and the government’s Savings Working Group blames that squarely on the policies of successive governments.

Although “the favourable tax treatment of property investment” accounted for about 50% of house price increases between 2001 and 2007, the working group said, there was also strong evidence that rapid swings in immigration brought about price-rise “shocks”.

There was a sharp spike in immigration in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and, said working group committee member Dr Andrew Coleman, it appeared that property prices did not fall anywhere near as greatly when immigration fell again.

The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit. ”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

*Anti-immigration feeling has no place in the Green party Immigration and Population policies released today, Green MP Keith Locke says
http://www.greens.org.nz/press-releases/greens-counter-peters-welcoming-immigration-policy
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December 10, 2011 5:19pm
ste3e

The problem is that we like to place the box in the corner of the room and bewail our inability to jump over it. The corner of the room is both international finance and it’s self interests which, although not elected by us, surreptitiously determine what our ‘sovereign’ government does (for them, not for us!); it is also our Christian heritage that totally misunderstood the concept ‘zero’ and has created this unsustainable bubble bust economy presently raping the earth.

If your world view is founded upon a continuum such as yin/yang, zero makes sense. It is the point on the continuum that is neither yin nor yang (or is equally yin and yang). But such a concept of zero is balance, the point to be achieved; both you and your neighbor are fed. If you hocus pocus that concept into Christian world views where the Devil and God are related by blood but not by a continuum zero takes on a different aspect. The Devil is debt and is bad, God is profit and is good, zero is poverty and is nearly as bad as the Devil, it is refusing to play on God’s team; “every good Christian fuck the earth” as the hymn goes.

http://www.decomputis.org/dc/articulos_doctrinales/solas_ayhan7.pdf illustrates traditional Chinese attitudes to profit and suggests their continuance in today’s world. I take issue with the “quaintness” implied upon the Chinese position. Their point, that a zero balance can sustain a good life, a healthy environment, a stable society explains the millennia China was the dominant society without the world falling down about our ears. But more importantly, the bubble bust nature of the history of our economy suggests that the Chinese concepts of reality as a continuum rather than a personality cult is a universally acknowledged (albeit subconsciously) truth. The bubbles grow upon the increase of profit to such an extent; yet there comes a time, and without reason one inside the bubble glimpses the bubble does not exist… it is a lie; they freak and others glimpse the same truth and the bubble bursts. Even in God we trust cannot shield us from our real understanding of the fakery of the economic system we have created, of the fact it is built for a world that exists only in the Christian mind.
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December 10, 2011 5:22pm
nickb

Great fightback by NZ in the cricket Test. If we can see it through to the end of the day no more than 2-3 down we will be on top.

By the way ^^^ the notion that there is “favourable” tax treatment for property investment is pure fallacy.
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December 10, 2011 5:23pm
hj

Apparently the greens can’t conceive of a situation where an unhealthy intra species competition exists. They are children of an urban environment born during the heady days of cheap oil.

Having said that it is good to take on the Koch bro, Hugh Pavletich, Wendell Cox and AGW is a crock crowd.
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December 10, 2011 5:27pm
Johnboy

Never worked out why if the government is missing out on $7B a year in tax due to the black economy we just don’t do away with cash.

Hard to do a cashie or sell your drugs if you have to use EFTPOS.
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December 10, 2011 5:29pm
Griff

DPF hinted at more on d4js meltdown
E mails sent to him after the record demerit haul last nite
might be a laugh.
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December 10, 2011 5:38pm
Scott Chris

A nifty riddle. Not a silly answer:

An Arab sheikh tells his two sons to race their camels to a distant city to see who will inherit his fortune. The one whose camel is slowest wins. After wandering aimlessly for days, the brothers ask a wise man for guidance. Upon receiving the advice, they jump on the camels and race to the city as fast as they can.

What did the wise man say to them?
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December 10, 2011 6:18pm
reid

Hydrogen is a non starter as is fuel cells

Disagree Griff. Hydrogen fuel is the future and whether it fuel cells or those hydrogen balls they’ve developed, that’s the only weight-for-weight explosive that will do – electricity never will do for transport that’s just stupid and the science is already here we have both hydrogen fuel cells which generate electricity and hydrogen balls which hold and release hydrogen in the fuel tank. It’s a matter of making it practical by finding a way to crack water with less energy than is given off when that hydrogen burns.

What did the wise man say to them?

Your Dad’s an idiot?
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December 10, 2011 6:27pm
JamesS

Scott Chris 6:18pm: “Your father is actually broke”?
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December 10, 2011 6:29pm
bereal

reid @ 2.19
Lets face it.
The reason most school teachers became school teachers is because when they finished
school or graduated from Uni they had so little immagination that they were unable to think
of anything else to do.
We all know that this is true,
even most teachers.
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December 10, 2011 6:30pm
Scott Chris

Riddle answer:

The wise man told them to swap camels.
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December 10, 2011 6:56pm
MT_Tinman

Johnboy (6,262) Says:
December 10th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
Never worked out why if the government is missing out on $7B a year in tax due to the black economy we just don’t do away with cash.

Hard to do a cashie or sell your drugs if you have to use EFTPOS.

‘ERE!

Wash your mouth out!
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December 10, 2011 7:05pm
reid

The reason most school teachers became school teachers is because when they finished school or graduated from Uni they had so little immagination that they were unable to think of anything else to do.

I don’t agree entirely Bereal. Some would do what you say and I think many genuinely are also doing it for altruistic reasons. If this hypothesis is true it helps explain the fact of the rampant leftism which appears to engulf most staffrooms like an Aussie bush fire as seen over their fanatical and continuing objections to the very mild National Standards and their opening salvos on the Charter Schools. They’re steeped in competition-avoidance as only idealists are and this is their problem.

I don’t believe your average teacher is sufficiently aware of how the world works in the working, employment sense of the economy. It seems to me most people who’ve never done anything but teach become less and less aware of the real working life all the parents go through, the more time they spend in the profession. They become institutionalised and thus they see the lefty perspective more and more as being the only valid way.

Sadly my diagnosis is that it’s like they’re a massive herd of lemmings all headed for a huge cliff except they’ve tied each one of us to them via some equation we haven’t yet cracked and the cliff is getting closer, like the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang halftime scene, except we don’t have a car that flies.
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December 10, 2011 7:10pm
Viking2

Durban: what the media are not telling you

By Christopher Monckton of Brenchley in Durban, South Africa

DURBAN, South Africa — “No high hopes for Durban.” “Binding treaty unlikely.” “No deal this year.” Thus ran the headlines. The profiteering UN bureaucrats here think otherwise. Their plans to establish a world government paid for by the West on the pretext of dealing with the non-problem of “global warming” are now well in hand. As usual, the mainstream media have simply not reported what is in the draft text which the 194 states parties to the UN framework convention on climate change are being asked to approve.

http://www.climatedepot.com/a/14072/Exclusive-UN-Climate-Draft-Text-Demands-New-International-Climate-Court-to-compel-reparations-for-climate-debt–Also-seeks-rights-of-Mother-Earth–2Cdeg-drop-in-global-temps
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December 10, 2011 7:22pm
Viking2

BAD PARROT

A young man named John received a parrot as a gift. The parrot had a bad
attitude and
an even worse vocabulary.

Every word out of the bird’s mouth was rude, obnoxious and laced with
profanity.

John tried and tried to change the bird’s attitude by consistently saying
only polite words, playing soft music and anything else he could think of to
‘clean up’ the bird’s vocabulary.

Finally, John was fed up and he yelled at the parrot. The parrot yelled
back. John shook the parrot and the parrot got angrier and even more rude.
John, in desperation, threw up his hand, grabbed
the bird and put him in the freezer. For a few minutes the parrot squawked
and kicked and screamed.
Then suddenly there was total quiet. Not a peep was heard for over a minute.

Fearing that he’d hurt the parrot, John quickly opened the door to the
freezer.. The parrot calmly stepped out onto John’s outstretched arms and
said “I believe I may have offended you with my rude language and actions.
I’m sincerely remorseful for my inappropriate transgressions and I fully
intend to do everything I can to correct my rude and unforgivable behavior.”

John was stunned at the change in the bird’s attitude.

As he was about to ask the parrot what had made such a dramatic change in
his behavior,
the bird spoke-up, very softly,

“May I ask what the turkey did?”

Merry Christmas!
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December 10, 2011 7:37pm
nasska

reid

Just to add to your expose on the mind shapers:

a) I feel that many potential teachers head for Varsity & think “well, what will I do” & after a little navel gazing take out a student loan to study philosophy or fine arts or lesbian studies & a few years later step off the tertiary treadmill with a few pieces of paper with BA or MA on them, a sizeable debt & no prospect of employment. From there it is a short step to a qualification in social indoctrination (or teaching as they prefer it to be known) & guaranteed employment in the only profession in the world where performance doesn’t count.

b) Teachers have a certain brain chemistry that makes them want to do “something that makes a difference”. By brainwashing the next generation with socialist claptrap they “just know” deep in their insides that what they do is helping “the cause”. That & sweet sherry filled dreams during their long summer holidays in which their contribution to the world is recognised with bronze statures of the “teacher who made it happen” on every street corner.

or more likely

c) If you can do something, do it……otherwise teach it!
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December 10, 2011 7:54pm
nasska

Twas the night before Christmas, and boy was it neat.
The kids were both gone, and my wife was on heat.
The doors were all bolted, the phone off the hook,
It was time for some nooky, by hook or by crook.

Mum in her teddy and I in the nude,
Had just hit the bedroom and reached for the lube.
When out on the lawn there arose such a cry,
That I lost my boner, and mum went dry.

Up to the window I sprang like an elf,
Tore back the shade while she played with herself.
The moon on the crest of the snowman we’d built,
Showed a broom up his ass, clean up to the hilt.

When what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a rusty old sleigh and eight mangy reindeer.
With a fat little driver, half out of the sled,
A sock in his ear and a bra on his head.

Sure as I’m speaking, he was high as a kite,
Whoa Shithead, whoa Arsehole, whoa Stupid, whoa Putz,
Either slow down this rig or I’ll cut off your nuts.

Look out for the lamp post, and don’t hit the tree,
Quit shaking the sleigh, “cause I gotta go pee.
They cleared the old lamp post, the tree got a rub,
Just as Santa leaned out and threw up on my shrub.

And then from the roof we heard such a clatter,
As each little reindeer now emptied his bladder.
I was donning my jockey, to cover my ass,
When down the chimney Santa came with a crash.

His suit was all smelly with perfume galore,
He looked like a bum and smelled like a whore.
“That was some brothel,” he said with a smile,
“The reindeer are pooped, and I’ll just stay awhile”

He walked to the kitchen, for himself poured a drink,
Then whipped out his pecker and pissed in the sink.
I started to laugh, my wife smiled with glee,
The old boy was hung nearly down to his knee.

Back in the den, Santa reached in his sack,
But his toys were all gone, and some new things were packed.

The first thing he found was a pair of false tits,
The next was a handgun with a penis that spits.
A box filled with condoms was Santa’s next find,
And six pair of undies, the edible kind.

A bra without nipples, a penis extension,
And several more things I shouldn’t even mention.
A fuck ring, a G-string, and all types of oil,
And a dildo so long that it lay in a coil.

“This stuff ain’t for kids, Mrs Santa will shit,
So I’ll leave “em here, and then I’ll just split.”
He filled every stocking and then took his leave,
With one tiny butt plug stuck under his sleeve.

He sprang to his sleigh, but his feet were like lead,
Thus he fell on his ass and broke wind instead.
In time he was seated, took reigns of his hitch,
Saying,”Take me home, Rudolf. This night’s been a bitch!”

The sleigh was near gone when we heard Santa shout,
“The best thing about pussy is you can’t wear it out!!”
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December 10, 2011 8:00pm
reid

Some insight into the game Cameron is currently in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2071843/More-80-Tories-say-want-Cameron-offer-referendum-EU-treaty.html
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December 10, 2011 8:02pm
Scott Chris

A lateral thinking test:

1) When you see geese flying in a V formation, why is it that one leg of the V is longer than the other?
2) Why are there so many Smiths in the telephone directory?
3) What is E.T. short for?
4) Where do you find a no-legged dog?
5) Approximately how many house bricks does it take to complete a brick house in England?
6) How do you stop a bull from charging?
7) What cheese is made backward?
8] Take away my first letter; I remain the same.
Now take away my fourth letter; I remain the same.
Now take away my last letter; I remain the same.
What am I?
9) If a white man threw a black stone into the Red Sea, what would it become?
10) How do you make a bandstand?

Answers:

1) It has more geese in it.
2) Because they all have telephone lines.
3) So that he can fit in that small spaceship.
4) Exactly where you left him!
5) One. it takes many to build the house, but only one to complete it.
6) Take away his credit cards!
7) Edam
8] A mailman.
9) Wet
10) Take away their chairs.
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December 10, 2011 8:04pm
Johnboy

How do you make a Scotty fuck off?

Turn off your computer! 🙂

Night all.
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December 10, 2011 8:47pm
reid

Water on mars:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/8944999/Nasa-rover-finds-strongest-evidence-yet-of-water-on-Mars.html
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December 10, 2011 9:04pm
reid

The scale of the emergency measures, which also included a cut in the reserve ratios that banks are required to deposit with the ECB, from 2% to 1% from January, underlined how concerned the ECB has become about the risk of a credit crunch taking hold. Funding costs for banks have already risen sharply as the eurozone financial crisis has worsened.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/dec/08/ecb-emergency-plans-german-banks

Reserve ratio of 1%?

Well that’s reassuring, isn’t it. Or is it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/dec/08/eu-summit-emergency-plan-analysis
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December 10, 2011 9:15pm
Griff

“It’s a matter of making it practical by finding a way to crack water with less energy than is given off when that hydrogen burns.”

fuck yea the philosophers stone should do it
Its just a very expensive energy storage device that EXPLODES and leaks though any vessel you put it in
Not happening in the real world any time soon

Teachers are freaking out about Charter schools.
Expect to see far more to develop over this little Act project
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December 10, 2011 10:49pm
Scott Chris

Johnboy says:- “How do you make a Scotty fuck off?”

Didn’t work. I’m still here. MUAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAH! 😛
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December 10, 2011 11:22pm
Manolo

Interesting article on Gingrich: http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
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