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Don Brash is a good bet for this years Election.
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November 5, 2011 8:04am
Manolo

It’s never too early to start political indoctrination: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/04/wisconsin-teacher/
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November 5, 2011 8:21am
Inventory2

Cricket fans; were you aware that Radio Sport has made a commercial decision to can live commentaries of first-class cricket this summer? Check this out:

The New Zealand summer. The pohutakawa tree, swimming at the beach and jandals. All set to the backdrop of cricket on the radio.

This has been the way it’s been for decades, but now this lifestyle is at an end. It has been announced that there will be no Radio Sport coverage of Plunket Shield cricket this summer.

Instead score updates will be sourced from internet scoring provided on New Zealand Cricket’s website.

Instead we will have to sit through the Farming Show, and the lowest common denominator of talkback.

Clearly, this is a situation that cannot be allowed to proceed. Cricket is a sport that is made for radio commentary; it is the perfect backdrop to that other great NZ tradition of painting house roofs. Can someone please think of the roofs.

It’s time to speak up on this.

So, following the success of online petitions in keeping the FA Cup on NZ TV and shifting the Crowd Goes Wild back into a respectable hour we ask you to give this some support.

SIGN THE PETITION

Here’s the link to the petition – sign today, and pass the word to your mates; cricket is far more important than the Almighty Dollar!

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/radiosport/
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November 5, 2011 8:41am
Pete George

Has anyone had any experience at Pundit? I commented there last night, my comment appeared but it has disappeared this morning.

The post was Tim Watkin’s Labour’s bubble burst, but what’s this amongst the minors?

Someone commented: “I’m a little surpirsed the likes of United Future and the Maori Party haven’t campaigned on their ability to moderate a National government by setting no Asset sales as a bottom line.”

I responded that UF are campaigning on exactly that but moderate gets little attention in the media. Related to the post and directly related to the comment. Seems strange that justifies censorship.
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November 5, 2011 8:53am
reid

This is not about gay marriage this is about how the scripted media works in the US. Luckily of course that doesn’t happen here at all, ever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GME5nq_oSR4&feature=youtu.be
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November 5, 2011 9:22am
projectman

Advertising on Kiwiblog

I have recently decided to try Safari as my web browser for a change from Firefox. I now see Labour and Green party advertising on the comments pages – they all seem to be links to YouTube clips. Very interesting to be ‘promoting’ these views on what most would regard as a right-leaning blog. Why give credence to your opponents?

[DPF: I presume they advertise because a lot of non National voters also read Kiwiblog. I welcome their dollars :-)]
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November 5, 2011 9:25am
Danny-boy

Greens buoyed by prospect of having 15 MPs

[Green Party canidate Julie Ann Genter] grew up in Los Angeles which she says made her aware of the effects on communities of poor urban and transport planning. She left the US in 2002 in frustration at the re-election of George Bush jnr.

Awfully prescient of her.
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November 5, 2011 9:25am
reid

Gween light bulbs produce “dirty electricity” which affects living organisms: i.e. us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS5ogZxoZ2Y

Most people should also know if they break you have to leave the room for 15 mins lest one inhale mercury vapour and die immediately, and you shouldn’t vacuum it up as that spreads the poison around the house. Because of the mercury they obviously need special disposal lest they end up in the landfill, but that wouldn’t and doesn’t already happen here, does or would it. If I were you, I’d buy up a lifetime supply of normal bulbs while we still can, before the Gweens in their fanatical zeal for the enviwonment, bans the sale of nothing but their poisonous, cancerous variety. Aren’t they evil.

Where does the AGW political machine come from?

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/10/map-the-climate-change-scare-machine-the-perpetual-self-feeding-cycle-of-alarm/

An example of their political machinations. The graph doesn’t cover the lockstep approach the whole media of all descriptions takes to AGW. You have to wonder, why is it the entire global MSM all of a sudden took a single view and didn’t change it for ages and ages. How the hell could that happen, if it wasn’t all somehow connected?

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/10/map-the-climate-change-scare-machine-the-perpetual-self-feeding-cycle-of-alarm/
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November 5, 2011 9:40am
reid

Sorry, der..

For an example of their machinations, try this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2055191/Scientists-said-climate-change-sceptics-proved-wrong-accused-hiding-truth-colleague.html

I thought Halloween was last week. Apparently not. Crikey.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10763970
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November 5, 2011 9:44am
Martin Gibson

Did anyone see The Jono Project last night? There was a segment called “Living with the Harawiras” that was absolute gold.
The premise was that Jono was in a relationship with Hone’s daughter and was recounting the time Hone shot him when he came to pick her up, and wondering why he had swapped the white iPad he bought him for a black one.
The best bit was that it actually featured Hone Harawira, who was surprisingly good denying that he remembered shooting him and basically sending up the fact he is a bit of an agressive racist.
As someone whose family have lived with Maori for 180 years it’s pretty frustrating to see the constant misunderstanding that arises from the Maori need to do a haka about everything, and the Pakeha reflex to reach for a musket when they see a war dance.
I interviewed Hone once, and my perception is he needs bullshit called on him more often, and he takes it with good humour. (He claimed Maori moved to Australia to escape Pakeha racism, I countered that they were probably escaping moaning Maori negativity from people like him, which he allowed might be the case)
This conflict is inflamed by New Zealand’s left who like to see Maori as victims to herd as they try and pass Marxism off as tikanga, which of course it is not.
Laughter and cooperation is our way out of this impasse, so I saw last night’s programme as a ray of hope. Gold.

http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/The-Jono-Project-Season-2-Ep-4-Clips—Meet-The-Harawiras—3/tabid/78/articleID/3163/MCat/28/Default.aspx
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November 5, 2011 9:47am
Manolo

One of Obama’s closest friends bites the dust: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/mf-global-ties-awkward-for-obama-campaign/2011/11/02/gIQA9w5ogM_print.html
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November 5, 2011 9:49am
Scott Chris

reid says:- “Gween light bulbs produce “dirty electricity” which affects living organisms: i.e. us.”

Rubbish reid. You’d need to smash 100 bullbs energy saving bulbs on one spot and then lick the ground for it to do any harm.

It mightn’t make any difference to you to indulge your nostalgic and conservative tastes on short life energy hungry incandescent bulbs, but to those on limited incomes, these new bulbs are a godsend.
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November 5, 2011 9:57am
reid

Scott I don’t mind when people disagree but I do mind when you allege I’m making something up because I have a political belief structure about it. Unlike lefties I don’t let my political belief structures interfere with my emotions about whether a light bulb design is good or bad. It either is or it isn’t. That’s a scientific factual easily answered and established non-emotional question in which opinion doesn’t enter.

If you had cared to use the sidebar links in that previous clip, you would have come across ones like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kALiIcrDGec&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x6LNTdMVaU&feature=related

So go for it Scott, do some research and remember, it’s not about saving the pwanet, it’s about whether or not it’s scientifically sensible to have these things in your home and eventually, in the landfill.
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November 5, 2011 10:11am
laworder

I have energy savers throughout my place, and am sold on them because of the cost savings, rather than the green angle. Most of them seem to go about 4-5 years, some are still going strong at 6 years old. Have busted a couple and I aint dead yet, disppointingly for some on the liberal left 🙂

The CFL technology will be replaced by LED units within a few years though, they’re just coming on the market here now at the top end. Will replace all my CFL’s with these once the costs come down as they usually do

Regards
Peter J
Webmaster for http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz
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November 5, 2011 10:17am
Fletch

Another Mohammed cartoon – this time published by a French newspaper.
Of course, the offices of the newspaper were firebombed. I wonder who could have done that ey?
The newspaper didn’t take it lying down, however, and teamed up with another newspaper to publish the cartoon again as a wrap-around cover.

(Reuters) – A French satirical weekly whose office was fire bombed after it printed a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad has reproduced the image with other caricatures in a special supplement distributed with one of the country’s leading newspapers.
The weekly Charlie Hebdo defended “the freedom to poke fun” in the four-page supplement, which was wrapped around copies of the left-wing daily Liberation on Thursday, a day after an arson attack gutted Charlie Hebdo’s Paris headquarters.

No one has claimed responsibility for the attack, which took place hours before an edition of Charlie Hebdo hit news stands featuring a cover-page cartoon of Mohammad and a speech bubble with the words: “100 lashes if you don’t die of laughter.”

The weekly, known for its irreverent treatment of the political establishment and religious figures, bore the headline “Charia Hebdo,” in a reference to Muslim sharia law, and said that week’s issue had been guest-edited by Mohammad.

The incident pits Europe’s tradition of free speech and secularism against Islam’s injunction barring any depictions seen as mocking the prophet. The publication of cartoons of Mohammad in a Danish newspaper in 2005 sparked unrest in the Muslim world in which at least 50 people were killed.

[…]

Following the fire bombing, Charlie Hebdo staff moved temporarily into the offices of Liberation. The two publications jointly produced Thursday’s supplement, which reproduced the Charlie Hebdo cartoon in an article on the back page.
One headline in the supplement said: “After their office blaze, this team defends the ‘freedom to poke fun’.”

“We thought the lines had moved and that maybe there would be more respect for our satirical work, our right to mock. Freedom to have a good laugh is as important as freedom of speech,” Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane Charbonnier said in the supplement.

The supplement included several new drawings by Charlie Hebdo cartoonists. In one, a prophet-like figure tries to restrain his billowing robes in a pose reminiscent of Marilyn Monroe as a draft blows up from Charlie Hebdo newspapers below him. Another shows an airborne fire-bomb with a face in the flames and the caption, “So, is this how you see the prophet?”…

Charbonnier told Reuters his newspaper planned to print another 175,000 copies of this week’s edition in the coming days after the first print run of 75,000 copies sold out fast.
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November 5, 2011 10:26am
Scott Chris

reid says:- “I do mind when you allege I’m making something up because I have a political belief structure about it”

I didn’t allege you made anything up. What I was implying was, that like most other human beings, you are accepting of ideas that support your emotional attachment to certain material things. Human beings are inherently conservative in their tastes, and suspicious of anything new.

Why do you think people become more and more conservative as they get older? They are simply becoming more and more attached to what they’ve grown accustomed to, to the extent that they start to romanticize the past.

I readily identify with this inclination because it is a constant struggle for me not to become conservative myself.

Conservatism is a kind of blindness IMO, and neither the left or the right are immune to it.
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November 5, 2011 10:30am
reid

One of Obama’s closest friends bites the dust:

Yes manolo.

The president has voiced support for recent protests against the financial industry and his campaign aides have said they plan to use the Occupy Wall Street movement to help build momentum for his reelection.

“I think it expresses the frustrations that the American people feel,” Obama said in a news conference last month. “The protesters are giving voice to a more broad based frustration with how our financial system works…. The American people understand that not everybody’s been following the rules, that Wall Street is an example of that.”

…says the Pres with more Wall-Streeters in his Administration than any other Pres in history…

Seriously, this is the first step on Obama’s strategy to turn the campaign into a race campaign. If you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a racist, is the strategy. And what better way to kick it off than for a Democrat to select the young and the disaffected of all races, to become active messengers for the cause, this election?

The fact this is going to make several tens of millions of poorly educated, well armed, rather angry black men in the large cities even more angry, is of course an unfortunate side-effect, as will be the lasting damage to the American psyche, to make this into a campaign like that.

But Obama has no choice, is my assessment of his thinking. From his perspective he needs to hold the white liberal guilt vote and there are a hell of lot of them. He’s already got the black vote anyway and with that other significant chunk I think he’s calculated he can hold. Of course had he not been quite so indolent and his ObamaCare not quite so lousy and his negotiating tactics not quite so favourable to the Republican perspective and his bailout package not quite so generous, then maybe he wouldn’t have had to do this in the first place, but never mind.

I really hope I’m wrong because I’m not joking, this is going to be tragic if he really does do that.
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November 5, 2011 10:30am
reid

Why do you think people become more and more conservative as they get older? They are simply becoming more and more attached to what they’ve grown accustomed to, to the extent that they start to romanticize the past.

Der Scott, this is itself a romanticised view held only by extreme leftists who are so fanatical they can’t understand that conservatives are human beings, just like they are.

Der.

People get more conservative as they grow older because as they grow older, they have more to conserve. It’s NOT a romanticised holding to some fictional fairy land, a phenomena amply demonstrated by the ridiculous view extreme Maori leftists hold about what it was like before the hated pakeha arrived. Conservatives, you see, aren’t mental, as those particular hard leftists clearly are. To the contrary, they are pragmatic. That is what drives our economic perspective, not ideology, which drives the leftists. The leftists cannot imagine pragmatism, since they fatally imagine that just because they themselves are driven by whatever gives THEM a warm tummy, they think that’s what drives everyone. But it doesn’t. Conservatives aren’t in the least emotionally attached to any particular political setting whatsoever. This is not because we are cold hearted and ignorant of the plight of the poor. It’s because in order to help the poor, you have to wipe away emotion and look reality in the face and determine what, today, is the best policy setting for small business, medium business, large business. What could you possibly do to make them go like a rocket.

We don’t give a fuck about the past, we give a fuck about what works. The fact is, just when we’ve reset the economy and got things working again, as we did for Hulun after what Lange left us, the lefties come in with their emotional poison, wreck everything and put the entire country back twenty years. So we have to start all over again.

Lefties in their complete and utter foolishness and crapulence look at this and mistakenly conclude conservatives therefore cling to the past, the silly old fools, whereas of course, all we’re doing is restoring the settings reality says, work.

Fuck you guys are mental, you really are.
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November 5, 2011 12:05pm
Scott Chris

reid says:- “Der Scott, this is itself a romanticised view held only by extreme leftists who are so fanatical they can’t understand that conservatives are human beings, just like they are.”

Sounds like the “inner child reid” answering as opposed to the “rational reid”.

Watch out for your inner child. He is a tyrant.
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November 5, 2011 12:16pm
Manolo

The Greek socialist government survives to live another day: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/04/greek-pm-promises-powersharing-talks-amid-uproar-over-handling-debt-deal/
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November 5, 2011 12:22pm
reid

Billy-T’s America’s Cup Challenge “doco”

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/billy-t-james-americas-cup-challenge-1986
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November 5, 2011 12:26pm
Longknives

Inventory2- It’s a bloody shame alright. But NZ cricket don’t care for first class cricket either, All that matters these days is that 20/20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ rubbish…they would happily let the longer form of the game die….
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November 5, 2011 2:23pm
Longknives

And while I’m also at the sportsdesk- Anyone else sick of this guy??
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/golf/5914989/Steve-Williams-makes-racist-slur-at-Tiger-Woods

Get over yourself Williams…you’re a bloody caddie
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November 5, 2011 2:24pm
Manolo

What’s wrong with making a buck? http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10764039&ref=rss
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November 5, 2011 2:25pm
bereal

Scott Chris
i note MNIJ reached his demerit level and has been sent into the wilderness for a time.
Your comment on that matter kind of reminds me of schooldays.

Teacher makes the call and disciplines a kid.
Then another kid ( a particular type of kid) chimes in with, “But sir, I think that this other kid was just as naughty
and I think you should strap him as well.”
Some of your stuff has merit Scott,
But nobody likes a pimp.
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November 5, 2011 2:32pm
Black with a Vengeance

bereal…which would you rather do

Shoot fish in a barrel or throw peanuts at monkeys ?
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November 5, 2011 2:44pm
bereal

What is it with this BWAV chappie ?
His whole act seems to be limited to asking inane moronic questions.
Then he scoffs when he doesn’t get an answer.
Jeez mate.
You gotta try harder.
i’m sure even you can do better than that.
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November 5, 2011 2:58pm
bereal

Also BWAV
i doubt that Scott Chris needs a nonce such as you springing to his defence.
He at least does have something about him.
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November 5, 2011 3:04pm
Scott Chris

bereal says:- “nobody likes a pimp”

Yup, I narked on Steve.

1) I’m not trying to win any popularity contests here.
2) A self-regulating culture like Kiwiblog’s relies on its players to take a moral position.
3) I felt that David Farrar was being inconsistent. I actually have a lot of respect for the guy and the community that he has fostered, so apart from anything else, allowing people to effectively say that “nigger biting dogs” is funny is very bad for Kiwiblog IMO.
4) If my narcing on racists is out of line with the established culture on Kiwiblog, then what I say will make no difference anyway.
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November 5, 2011 3:06pm
bereal

See that BWAV you drone.
Scott Chris defended himself and made some fair points.
i don’t think Steves joke made him a racist but maybe my skin is a little thicker and i’m not quite
so P.C.
anyway good on you Scott C
Like i said. You do make sense often. (even make me think sometimes)
Unlike that joke BWAV
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November 5, 2011 3:15pm
Pauleastbay

I find that narcissistic know fuck alls are bad for KB .

If someone has such a high opinion of themselves and their own moral position one would presume with that much to offer they would fuck off and start their own blog.
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November 5, 2011 3:23pm
Black with a Vengeance

and they’re off… GO BEREAL GO !!!
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November 5, 2011 3:33pm
reid

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/britten-backyard-visionary-1993
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November 5, 2011 3:43pm
Elaycee

@bereal – The nonce / pimp / narc also bleated about comments made by both big bruv and by myself recently. Whilst the comments made were factual, honest opinions and germane to the topic, the self appointed narc still ran off bleating like a little stuck piggie, all the way to the teacher.

I think your comment “(.. a particular type of kid..)” is 100% on the money.

Not a trait I’d ever want to see in my own kids.
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November 5, 2011 3:44pm
reid

4) If my narcing on racists is out of line with the established culture on Kiwiblog, then what I say will make no difference anyway.

Speaking of racists what about what Steve Wood said? Crikey.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10764057
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November 5, 2011 4:03pm
Elaycee

@reid – Yup. I see that Steve Williams is in full reverse / apologies / retractions / etc.

His comment was 100% awful. Looks like he is someone who engages the gob before he has engaged the brain.

But I did laugh when he said of Phil Mickelson a while back, that he had ‘nice tits’ !
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November 5, 2011 4:10pm
Black with a Vengeance

Speaking of racists what about what Steve Wood said? Crikey.

he’d know…

…but yeah, hangin round Australian honks will do that to you
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November 5, 2011 4:11pm
Manolo

Ha! Sacked for telling the truth: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/04/us-general-fired-for-verbal-attack-on-karzai/?test=latestnews
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November 5, 2011 4:24pm
Black with a Vengeance

hmmm…Elected for telling lies: http:///www.blacknews.com/politics/2011/11/27/nz-prime-minister-key-voted-in-despite-lying-his-arse-off/?test=alternatefuturereality
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November 5, 2011 4:31pm
wat dabney

Legend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsbznJJkq84
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November 5, 2011 4:43pm
bereal

reid 3.43
Incredible that in motorsport in New Zealand we have produced not only Britten, a genius, taken too soon,
but Burt Monroe, Denny Hulme, Chris Amon and the great Bruce McLaren.
(not to mention Kenny Smith) sort of joking about Kenny a bit. But i remember Kenny and his Lola at Pukekohe.
Others too who i can’t just bring to mind.
Bruce McLaren lives on large on the world stage to this day.
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November 5, 2011 4:44pm
reid

Good point bereal.

Thanks wat, excellent.
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November 5, 2011 4:52pm
bereal

Oh shit. i gotta go.
This nonce’ Black with a Vengeance’ trying to slip his pathetic infantile comments in amongst the adults
is more than i can take at the moment.
Has there ever been a more ridiculous, vacuous, moronic poster ever seen on KB. ?
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November 5, 2011 4:57pm
Black with a Vengeance

bereal (941) Says:
November 5th, 2011 at 4:57 pm

Oh. i gotta go shit.

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/688/nextnx5.jpg

laterz babe…
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November 5, 2011 5:24pm
Scott Chris

Heh, I see the usual bitter and misanthropic individuals are up and whining as as usual. Eastbay and her rather masculine looking girlfriend Elaycee.

Now you behave ladies, or I’ll be forced to report you to Uncle David.
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November 5, 2011 5:29pm
RF

Goof is at it again….. TV 1 News has him dressed up in protective clothing on the beach shifting the sand for oil..
The plonker had no shame. I used to feel sorry for him but he is not worth any pity. Thank god he will soon be history.
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November 5, 2011 6:46pm
bereal

i return tonight just to observe,
Scott Chris. 5.29
You have let yourself down mate.

You could have ended today just about even.
But Oh no.
You just couldn’t help yourself.
Could you mate.
You have now proved to be that smart arsed kid we all remember.
Who thought he was teachers pet.
But, surprise, surprise.
You were so oblivious that it never even dawned on you that he despised you.
Well it was. He did. You were IT
Fuken moron.
Can’t even see when you are cut some slack.
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November 5, 2011 7:14pm
Steve

@ Scott Chris,
I was the messenger of that joke, not the author. The ‘N’ word is a racist word.
The play on the ENGLISH LANGUAGE is used in many jokes. I am sure you went to school and did learn.
I yam wee tar did, I yam sofa king wee tar did
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November 5, 2011 7:43pm
nasska

“The thrill is gone from my marriage,” Alan told his friend Don.
“Why not add some intrigue to your life and have an affair?”
Don suggested.

“But what if my wife finds out?”

“Hell, these are the ‘2K’s, Alan. Go ahead and tell her about it!”

So Alan went home and said, “Dear, I think an affair will bring
us closer together.”

“Forget it,” said his wife. “I’ve tried that six times already –
it never worked.”
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November 5, 2011 8:00pm
Manolo

These crooks are either bludgers or on the invalid benefit. Guaranteed.
http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10764167&ref=rss
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November 6, 2011 7:08am
Black with a Vengeance

^^^
“They allege they were working for somebody else. They were advised, if you tell us who that is, we can look at the charges.”

…if they were that gullible they probably vote National as well 🙂
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