General Debate 4 November 2011

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Michael

D-Day for Phil Goff and Labour. If the “spreadsheet” is too optimistic or contains errors he will be ridiculed until the election.
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November 4, 2011 8:02am
Pete George

Occupy Dunedin have been offered a sustainable practical way forward. They coukld continue their presence, continue their protest but give back the Octagon to all.

The Octagon offer.

I see the Mana and ISO banners have now gone, about time. That pissed a lot of people off and lost them a lot of potential support.
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November 4, 2011 8:12am
KiwiGreg

Dividends from SOEs, optimistic CGT tax take, it shouldnt be hard to make it balance, it’s just a spreadsheet not the real world. they know they’ll never be held to account for it in reality.
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November 4, 2011 8:12am
flipper

D-Day, well sort of for Greece and Europe. How on earth so many nations with so many different political systems and so many different economic policies ever imagined they could set up and maintain a viable “Euro” is beyond me. The problems are far deeper than the PIGS. Eurofreaks are in for a bath of reality!

Meanwhile at home, we will again be subjhected toi smoke and mirrors by Labour and their fellow travellers in the media.
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November 4, 2011 8:16am
Ross12

Quote from the Dom Post ” (John) Key was able to invent a lie, which was wrong , but to invent it without our ability to put on the table our actual figures ” attributed to Phil Goff.
My fuzzy logic says that a lie that is wrong is the truth.
Also looking at the quote in total , if this the style/standard of English Goff is using when he out and about , is it any wonder people are confused and don’t understand what he talking about.
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November 4, 2011 8:25am
tvb

Labour was hoping to get away with producing NO figures. The Government lead by Key and Joyce will tear Labour ‘s figures to shreds. Goff does NOT understand figures so Key will tie him in knots.
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November 4, 2011 8:38am
Scott Chris

Queen Victoria’s Knickers Up For Auction:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/10/27/queen-victoria-s-knickers-up-for-auction-with-3000-price-tag-115875-23519213/

Big pair of bloomers they are too. Mind you, she didn’t strike me as being the G-string type…
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November 4, 2011 8:42am
Nookin

“…but to invent it without our ability to put on the table our actual figures ” attributed to Phil Goff…”
But they did have the ability. They simply chose not to go down that course. The really scary thing is that they propmote a strategy without testing to see if it has a remote chance of working. Just like the CGT. No responsible party should announce a half-baked policy without the figures to back it up.
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November 4, 2011 8:47am
Manolo

A socialist recants: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/03/greece-on-brink-collapse-as-lawmakers-urge-prime-minister-to-resign/?test=latestnews
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November 4, 2011 8:52am
Manolo

Another reason for not to buy the crap Microsoft produces: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/4ecd469e-062a-11e1-a079-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1cfGzdKsy
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November 4, 2011 8:54am
Scott Chris

World Scrabble Championship Fracas Erupts As Pommy Player Is Strip Searched:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/10/18/chaos-at-scrabble-contest-after-thai-player-demands-brit-rival-be-strip-searched-115875-23496146/

Apparently the letter G went missing….G spot? No wonder they couldn’t find it.

Turns out a Kiwi beat an Aussi in the final too!
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November 4, 2011 8:59am
graham

Green education policy:

“The Green Party wants to scrap the controversial National Standards, restrict class sizes to 20 and ban the sale of sweet drinks, lollies and chips at school.”

Restricting class sizes to 20 sounds good, but I would be wanting to see the costings on that. Off the top of my head, if you say an average class size currently of 30 (just to make the figures easy) you’re looking at hiring 50% more teachers, building presumably a similar number of new classrooms – maybe less if you allow for specialist classrooms which get shared, such as science labs. What else? All needs the money to make it work.

And, we’re back to the good old “we know what’s best for you, so ve vill BAN anything which is BAD”. No sweet drinks, no lollies, no chips. Why not just tell parents straight out, “We don’t trust you to raise your kids, so we’ll take over”?

“The party also wants to increase operational funding to the sector by 10 per cent and launch a commission of enquiry into the education system to assess how well it’s doing.”

Well the 10 percent is going to get swallowed up by the extra teachers, I imagine.

**Edit: here’s the link – http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10763809
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November 4, 2011 9:00am
Ryan Sproull

Sugar and junk food impedes children’s ability to concentrate and learn. The job of schools is to teach.
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November 4, 2011 9:02am
Longknives

“and ban the sale of sweet drinks, lollies and chips at school.”

Reminds me of a few years ago when the Greens attempted to ban the traditional Kiwi ‘Sausage Sizzle’ as a fundraiser….
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November 4, 2011 9:03am
leftyliberal

@Ross12: The fact that Goff said that they got it wrong should be commended, though I’d have preferred it if he fronted up without the “invent a lie” bit.

It’ll be tough for them to sell their numbers to the centrist public (the small proportion of the public who will care at least) now as doubt about the numbers is the starting point.
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November 4, 2011 9:04am
Longknives

And the effects of Cannabis on a child’s ability to “concentrate and learn” Ryan?? The ‘Oh-So Concerned’ Greens seem only too happy to encourage our kids to get stoned out of their brains from a young age….
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November 4, 2011 9:08am
Fisiani

I see that Grant Robertson is playing the long game. He has few hoardings and virtually no presence on the ground. His team are AWOL. I supect they hope for a big loss in 3 weeks so that the rump of Labour who are left are predominantly from the union/gay section. This will happen because many of the straight and reasonable Labour candidates (eg Davis and Nash) have been placed too high up the list for survival.
This rump will choose a fill in leader after Goff in December and then it will be a fight between Chauvel and Robertson for the leadership after the loss in 2014.
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November 4, 2011 9:12am
leftyliberal

I’d want to see evidence that a smaller class size is better. In some schools I’m sure it would be better, but in other cases I can see examples where it might be worse, particularly at secondary school. Flexibility rather than rules would seem sensible here. Scrapping National standards is IMO wrong. For better or worse we have it, so let’s either improve what we have or at least give it a chance to have a go. Constantly changing things is often worse than sticking with a system that is flawed. On the lollies and chips, again, leave it to the school and the parents.
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November 4, 2011 9:12am
Murray

“The ‘Oh-So Concerned’ Greens seem only too happy to encourage our kids to get stoned out of their brains from a young age….”

Course they are, more likely to vote left if they’re mentally impaired.
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November 4, 2011 9:14am
graham

@ Ryan Sproull:

Agreed, sugar and junk food impedes children’s ability to concentrate and learn. Yes, the job of schools is to teach. However, schools also need to be a place where our children look forward to going each day.

My daughter very rarely buys anything from the tuck shop, but once in a very rare while she enjoys the occasional packet of chips. I don’t see an issue with that, as long as it is in moderation. Yes you could say, “Let’s get rid of everything that stops them from learning”, but how far do you go before the school becomes a soulless place where children dread going to? Ban the chips, the junk food, and penalise those children like my daughter who can behave sensibly. Hell, ban the books in the school library that don’t actively contribute to learning – the story books for example (unless they’re by approved authors). Get rid of the cushions in the library, because it’s far better for their posture to sit up straight.

It goes back to the basic problem of, “Some children aren’t responsible, so let’s spoil it for everyone.”
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November 4, 2011 9:15am
Black with a Vengeance

hmmmm…i wonder where TV3 got their ‘SHOW ME THE JOBS’ line for yesterday’s news.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/multimedia/tv/politics/58436.html

who cares ?

I just wish that nice Mr Key would SHOW US ALL !!!…don’t you ???
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November 4, 2011 9:17am
graham

Oh dear … more on the Greens education policy:

“- Ensure students have the right to not wear a uniform, without penalty from the school.
– Establish an independent tribunal to review the powers of principals and Boards of Trustees in regards to enrolments, suspensions and stand-downs.”

http://www.greens.org.nz/policy/summary/education

Translation: our poor poor children are being OPPRESSED by the EVIL SCHOOL NAZIS so we will GIVE THEM BACK THE POWER!!! No, Susie, you DON’T have to wear that uniform if you don’t want to. And screw the idea that principals should be able to suspend pupils for bad behaviour.
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November 4, 2011 9:22am
trout

Phil Goff is now requiring ‘excessive’ dividends from the power companies to balance his books.
From earlier this year:

‘Labour has promised to stop price-gouging power companies fleecing consumers if it wins the next election.
Party leader Phil Goff, sensing a vote-winning policy, rolled this one out yesterday at Labour’s first annual conference since losing last year’s election.
Asked why Labour didn’t do anything about soaring power bills while it was in office, he added that to the growing list of “things we got wrong”.
“Power bills rose relentlessly and we didn’t fix the system,” he told about 600 delegates at the conference.
“It’s not right that last week a power company paid $230 million in dividends to government while people struggled with their bills.
“The power companies mostly belong to us. They should work for us.”
Mr Goff said a Labour government wouldn’t demand “excessive” dividends for the state’s coffers — something it didn’t do anything about for nine years.

Was this a lie?
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November 4, 2011 9:23am
Scott Chris

Ryan Sproull claims:- “Sugar and junk food impedes children’s ability to concentrate and learn”

Myth or reality?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=51539

“…However, the majority of studies so far haven’t found a connection, and most in the medical industry maintain there is no known link between sugar and hyperactivity…”
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November 4, 2011 9:25am
Black with a Vengeance

trout (571) Says:
November 4th, 2011 at 9:23 am

Was this a lie?

How about you send him an email, ask him yourself and report back to us here then eh ?

good oh..now run along
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November 4, 2011 9:26am
Ryan Sproull

And the effects of Cannabis on a child’s ability to “concentrate and learn” Ryan?? The ‘Oh-So Concerned’ Greens seem only too happy to encourage our kids to get stoned out of their brains from a young age….

Can you cite some kind of reference for that claim?

Certainly by the same standards as they should keep kids from eating junk food at school, if cannabis or alcohol was legal for under-18s, the substances should also be banned at schools. They would impede learning even more than junk food does.
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November 4, 2011 9:30am
Scott Chris

Longknives claims:- “And the effects of Cannabis on a child’s ability to “concentrate and learn” Ryan?? The ‘Oh-So Concerned’ Greens seem only too happy to encourage our kids to get stoned out of their brains from a young age…”

Rubbish.

Ryan Sproull says:- “Can you cite some kind of reference for that claim?”

Ditto your sugar claim.
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November 4, 2011 9:32am
Ryan Sproull

My daughter very rarely buys anything from the tuck shop, but once in a very rare while she enjoys the occasional packet of chips. I don’t see an issue with that, as long as it is in moderation. Yes you could say, “Let’s get rid of everything that stops them from learning”, but how far do you go before the school becomes a soulless place where children dread going to? Ban the chips, the junk food, and penalise those children like my daughter who can behave sensibly. Hell, ban the books in the school library that don’t actively contribute to learning – the story books for example (unless they’re by approved authors). Get rid of the cushions in the library, because it’s far better for their posture to sit up straight.

It goes back to the basic problem of, “Some children aren’t responsible, so let’s spoil it for everyone.”

Fair enough. You could also argue that the value of such little pleasures in making school more enjoyable (and therefore learning more likely) outweighs the chemical effects.
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November 4, 2011 9:32am
Ryan Sproull

Ryan Sproull claims:- “Sugar and junk food impedes children’s ability to concentrate and learn”

Myth or reality?

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=51539

“…However, the majority of studies so far haven’t found a connection, and most in the medical industry maintain there is no known link between sugar and hyperactivity…”

If that’s true (and the author of that article seems to be a bit of a crusader), then I can’t see a problem with sweets at school.

Perhaps the school should be providing fish-oil pills: Omega-3 significantly improves behaviour of hyperactive children.
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November 4, 2011 9:37am
nasska

graham @ 9.15am

…”It goes back to the basic problem of, “Some children aren’t responsible, so let’s spoil it for everyone.””…….

What on earth makes you think this attitude of the socialists stops at the school gate. The scowling one spent the nine years up to 2008 telling the electorate what to think & that in any case, Mummy knew best.
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November 4, 2011 9:39am
Black with a Vengeance

Aunty Helen has moved on nasska, why don’t you ?…get on to bulidng that brighter future for all of us instead of chasing ghosts from the past.

How about it ?
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November 4, 2011 9:58am
dog_eat_dog

Oh shit fruits like apples are high in sugar, tuck shops can only sell raw leeks from now on!
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November 4, 2011 9:59am
Ryan Sproull

Oh shit fruits like apples are high in sugar, tuck shops can only sell raw leeks from now on!

As I understand it, fructose releases energy more slowly than sucrose, which in turn releases it more slowly than glucose.
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November 4, 2011 10:01am
Murray

Aunty Helen spent a decade blaming National for her fuckups and only ever considered moving on as beign somethign people should do when she was asked questiosn she didn’t like blackie.

Maybe you should spend less time telling other people what to do because it didn’t end too well for her.
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November 4, 2011 10:04am
nasska

Niggly Native with a Gut Ache

I’m all for the brighter future but let’s learn from the past. The wasted nine years of the last Labour government should be brought up repeatedly to remind us never to go back to the socialist ways.
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November 4, 2011 10:05am
Rick Rowling

Sugar and learning

http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html

I haven’t had my morning donut yet, so I am incapable of commenting on the content.
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November 4, 2011 10:06am
tristanb

Anyone (other than judges and lawyers) want Stewart Murray Wilson released?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10763776

Didn’t think so.
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November 4, 2011 10:07am
Courage Wolf

Haven’t been following previous few days’ GDs… Has William Adams been discussed yet?

“In my mind, I haven’t done anything wrong other than discipline my child after she was caught stealing,” Adams said. “And I did lose my temper, but I’ve since apologised.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/5906213/Judge-investigated-over-YouTube-beating-video
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November 4, 2011 10:08am
KH

this is good.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dennis-santiago/economic-recovery-means-l_b_1035777.html
It’s a hard cold world with few favours on offer. Maybe it’s time we in NZ got a little hardassed and started acting in our own interest rather than what we are told is good for us.
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November 4, 2011 10:11am
Black with a Vengeance

Maybe you should spend less time telling other people what to do because it didn’t end too well for her.

that sounds suspiciously like a threat Murray…is it ?

…but yeah, Helen moving on to a high powered job in the UN hasn’t ended too well for her…mmmm yeah OK

jeez you’re a delusional hate filled idiot.

and ahh yes nasska, the old wasted 9 years to go with the decade of deficits myth. Keep repeating that one for the kiddies and they might just believe it, but us grown ups know better and know just how even more fucked things would have been by now if your lot had been in charge of the treasury benches during the noughties.

So what was it National would have done differently again, and how is it given Key and English’*ahem* finacial genius that they couldn’t see teh GFC bubble bursting or have a credible plan fort seeing us thorough that ?
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November 4, 2011 10:21am
Rick Rowling

So what was it National would have done differently again?

Welfare For F*wits

Interest paid for by other people student loans

Massive increase in civil service (especially comms staff). (Okay, maybe they would have done that).
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November 4, 2011 10:25am
Manolo

A frog asks the Kenyan: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/3/sarkozy-asks-obamas-help-europe-debt-crisis/
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November 4, 2011 10:26am
tom hunter

Mere headlines Manolo. In fact the US Federal Reserve has already made it clear to their European counterparts that the Fed credit lines are open and awaiting business should the capacities of Europe prove unable to deal with the unfolding disaster. Whether US voters will actually get any say in that is questionable.

In that respect, as well as others, the US is becoming more like Europe every day, where I see the Greek referendum has now been canned. I was reminded of this piece from Mark Steyn written several years ago:

In the end, the French and Dutch electorates voted no to the new constitution. One recalls the T-shirt slogan popular among American feminists: “What part of ‘No’ don’t you understand?” In the chancelleries of Europe, pretty much every part. At the time of the constitution referenda, the rotating European “presidency” was held by Luxembourg, a country slightly larger than your rec room. Jean-Claude Juncker, its rhetorically deranged prime minister and European “president,” staggered around like a collegiate date-rape defendant, insisting that all reasonable persons understand that “Non” really means “Oui.” As he put it before the big vote: “If it’s a yes, we will say ‘on we go,’ and if it’s a no we will say ‘we continue.’”

And if it’s a neither of the above, he will say “we move forward.” You get the idea. Confronted by the voice of the people, “President” Juncker covers his ears and says, “Nya, nya, nya, can’t hear you!”

As Steyn noted, that’s actually a feature, not a bug, of the Euro system.
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November 4, 2011 10:35am
dime

lmao the greens crack me up.

On one hand its “you dont have to wear a school uniform if you dont want to” that would oppress you.

Then its

“you cant eat what you want” lmao

I would have thought parents who were struggling a bit would like uniforms. sure they cost money but they wear the same thing everyday. theres no pressure for kids to have the latest brands etc.

Im sure poor kids are stoked they get a uniform and dont have to wear their shitty normal clothes everyday, while other kids have the latest n greatest.

strange policy from a strange party.
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November 4, 2011 11:00am
Black with a Vengeance

tom hunter

a simple question for you, requiring a simple answer if you please…

was Key lying when he said his gov’t had created 63 000 jobs in the past 2 years

or

were you when you said gov’ts don’t create jobs ?

…to make it even easier, i’ll provide you with the answers in 3 words.

KEY WAS LYING or I WAS LYING.

which is it ?
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November 4, 2011 11:06am
Manolo

The aptly named Black with a Vengeance deserves to be ignored altogether.
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November 4, 2011 11:09am
Fisiani

From Stuff

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters has been one of the country’s most controversial politicians. And today he joins us at Stuff to answer your questions.

Peters is now eyeing a political comeback after spending the past three years out of Parliament.

His 2008 campaign was marred in controversy over political donations, though he was cleared of any wrongdoing.

The veteran politician – who has held the position of treasurer, deputy prime minister and foreign minister- has a tough job ahead without the funding and broadcast time allocated to parties in Parliament.

From midday today, it’s your chance to ask him whatever you like.

How the hell do they get “cleared of any wrongdoing” . Are they idiots?
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November 4, 2011 11:16am
Black with a Vengeance

RIGHT BLACK AT YA…manolo

left cross, jab, duck, cover, shuck, jive…whatever it takes to avoid answering the simple questions eh ?

*yawn*…still waiting Tom
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November 4, 2011 11:17am
sbk

“strange policy ,strange party” Yep couldnt agree more …dont they understand the meaning of the word “standard”…FFS the world is built on standards.

So what do they propose/intend to replace the National standards with…a feel good certificate of participation ?.
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November 4, 2011 11:45am
KevinH

A serious health issue facing our current generation and generations to come is the increased incidence of type 2 diabetes caused largely by poor diet with high intake levels of sugar and salt.
This issue is referred to by health professionals as the hidden epidemic within our communities, the consequences will impact upon a health system seriously underfunded to cope with what is essentially a “lifestyle” epidemic.
In my view tuck shops in schools should not sell any products that are high in sugar and salt in an effort to curtail what can become learned behaviour; a poor diet.
If schools choose to sell food to their students then they should exercise responsibility and sell healthy foods such as salads and low carb products.
What students eat outside of school hours will of course be entirely at their own and their parents discretion.
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November 4, 2011 11:57am
KH

….. show me the money. Well it does work both ways.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/blogs/john-pagani-left-leaning/5907793/The-Lady-Gaga-bait-and-switch
There’s going to be a lot of abuse both sides. I am interested most though in what the ‘forensic accountants’ find in few days.
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November 4, 2011 11:59am
MyNameIsJack

The cartoon that had “Charlie Hebdo” firebombed.
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November 4, 2011 12:18pm
Lance

@KevinH

Sugar doesn’t cause Diabetes
It’s actually too much fat, then the sugar can’t be processed in susceptible people.

Lowering sugar is an after the fact issue, not pre.
I agree the salt is bad
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November 4, 2011 12:22pm
bereal

Black with a Vengeance is just a silly billy
He is good for a laugh though.
(at, not with)
Why he imagines anyone would want to answer any of his gormlees questions is a belly laugh on its own.
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November 4, 2011 12:24pm
Lance

Goodness…. Goff lied

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10763828

They intend to spend $4b more than National, not $2.6b

Faux outrage and slogan regurgitating to follow
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November 4, 2011 12:26pm
KH

…. re KH at 11.59.
DPF says essentially it does not matter about what the election promises add up too.
Labour can’t be trusted. So the forensic accountants can stand down
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November 4, 2011 12:28pm
Manolo

When will former Dear Leader come begging bowl in hand? http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/11/03/gift-that-keeps-on-giving-un-lobbying-for-3b-in-future-projects-while/
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November 4, 2011 12:50pm
Pete George

I wonder if Mana’s costings for free breakfast and lunch for all kids in up to decile 5 schools were based on Happy Meals or celery and brussel sprout salads.
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November 4, 2011 12:54pm
Rick Rowling

@Black with avengeance

KEY WAS LYING or I WAS LYING.

Well that follows the theme of this campaign – every inconsistency, change of policy, or change of wording is a lie.

Whale lists some other “Lies” here http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/11/goff-lies-ctd-3/
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November 4, 2011 1:58pm
Fletch

If you have any idea of what the Beach Boys SMiLE album was/is, or it’s importance in popular music, you can hear the newly released SMiLE sessions at AOL here –

http://music.aol.com/new-releases-full-cds/spinner#/3

Should have come out in 1967, so it’s only 49 years late!
Would have blown away Sgt Pepper for sure…
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November 4, 2011 2:52pm
Scott Chris

I just love Chinese script. Here’s a translation of the start of Winston Peters’ Wikipage. Ain’t it pretty?

雷蒙德彼得斯溫斯頓（生於1945年4月11日）是新西蘭的政治家和新西蘭首先，他於 1993年成立一個政黨的領導者。彼得斯已動盪的政治生涯，因為在1978年進入議會。他曾擔任毛利人事務部長博爾格國家黨政府在1991年被解職前，失去他的陶朗加座位黨代言。他回到了作為一個獨立的議會，然後形成自己的黨，新西蘭第一。彼得斯反對，成為新西蘭的移民政策直言不諱的批評。作為新西蘭第一的領導，他曾在1996年大選後的權力平衡，使國家黨組成聯合政府，保護自己的副總理兼國庫部長的職位。然而，聯盟在1998年解散的更換珍妮希普利總理博爾格。
解散聯盟，新西蘭第一希普利政府和對手的支持者之間的分裂。支持黨在1999年的選舉中倒塌。在他的陶朗加席位在2005年他被擊敗了，但仍然在議會列表MP，是工黨政府的外交部，長者及賽車組合。 2008年8月29日，他站在待成指責警方的調查，他沒有宣布一系列一行收到的政治捐款的外交和賽車部長。彼得斯是在2008年9月23日，議會譴責為“明知而提供虛假或誤導信息，金錢利益回報”比2005年的10萬美元的捐贈。
新西蘭在2008年的換屆選舉，第一次失敗，達到5％的門檻和彼得斯沒有恢復他的位子。[2]因此，無論是彼得斯或新西蘭第一返回議會。
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November 4, 2011 2:53pm
Ryan Sproull

Awesome, Fletch. Cheers.
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November 4, 2011 3:03pm
adze

Pete George
The thing I don’t get with Mana’s idea that “bringing home the troops” will pay for school breakfasts is that even if the cost of keeping troops in Afghanistan and the breakfast policy cost about the same, 1) the SAS are coming home in March anyway, and 2) the cost of school brekkies would be an ongoing operational cost – whereas a troop deployment has a beginning and an end. So it might pay for a few years’ worth of brekkies but the two are not really comparable.
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November 4, 2011 3:11pm
MyNameIsJack

Easy, adze. Once the SAS are back, disband them, they are nothing more than an overpaid bunch of kiddies demanding ever more exotic and expensive toys.

The money saved will more than pay for better nutrition for kiddies.
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November 4, 2011 3:20pm
Scott Chris

Fletch claims:- “Would have blown away Sgt Pepper for sure…”

Ahem, Fletch, not even in the same ball park.

The Beach Boys are the most overrated a cappella group in history. Brian Wilson is to John Lennon as what Billy Ray Cyrus is to Hank Williams.
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November 4, 2011 3:50pm
nasska

Scott Chris

What did any of us do to you that we should be reminded of Billy Ray Cyrus….pass the mind bleach!
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November 4, 2011 4:00pm
Black with a Vengeance

heh…goff says

“John, I’ve shown you the money. Now, you show me the jobs,”

and Key says

“If it’s $4b, I’m a monkey’s uncle.”

get that guys ?…your uncle just called you all monkeys !!!
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November 4, 2011 4:21pm
Falafulu Fisi

BWAV, how does the government can create jobs?
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November 4, 2011 4:37pm
Black with a Vengeance

eh ???
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November 4, 2011 4:44pm
Scott Chris

Black with a Vengeance says:- “your uncle just called you all monkeys”

Funny you should say that. Here’s a picture of me in a tree:

http://images.mudfooted.com/face-Proboscis-Monkey.jpg

Here’s another angle:

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/images/baboonbum.jpg
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November 4, 2011 5:05pm
Scott Chris

nasska

Don’t knock ol’ Billy Ray. Achy Breaky Heart is Labour’s campaign song.

“Don’t tell Phil Goff,
His estimates are off,
I just don’t think he’ll understand”
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November 4, 2011 5:13pm
Falafulu Fisi

BWAV, my question was a follow up to your post at the top of this thread directed at Tom.

BWAV asked…
were you when you said gov’ts don’t create jobs ?

Ok, I’ll repeat it again.

BWAV, how does the government can create jobs? Have you got some ideas? Just guess or give a random answer.
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November 4, 2011 5:14pm
Black with a Vengeance

hmmm…Mind if abbreviate your pseudonym to FFS, Falafulu Fisi and give you a random answer ?

Your use of the word ‘can’. Am i to assume you mean toilet, as in to carry the can, from a time when shitting in a portable can due to hardship required it to be emptied every so often and inspired the term ‘I’m off to the can’ ?

So you’re asking, how does the gov’ts portable toilet create jobs ?

Well, seeing as how Key is on the campaign trail talking shit I’m going to assume you’re inferring HE is the portable toilet.

My answer then would be, he creates jobs by shitting on everything wherever he goes and pays the locals a pittance to clean it up.

Sure, it’s not one of those aspirational jobs and it’s pretty low wage but it’s better than being on the dole eh ? especially when you can pay a young person even less to do it.
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November 4, 2011 5:32pm
reid

John Pugh’s 3-D murals: brilliant.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1187338/Off-wall-The-astonishing-3D-murals-painted-sides-buildings-trompe-loeil-artist.html
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November 4, 2011 5:45pm
adze

Thanks for the link reid. There’s some incredible artists out there. Either Prime or TVNZ 7 (I can’t remember which) regularly has a show featuring that guy who does anamorphic pavement chalk drawings.
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November 4, 2011 6:01pm
reid

I’ve never seen a live one but there are some fantastic ones out there. This is my favourite…

http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/uploads/2009/04/batmanandrobin.jpg

http://www.cartridgesave.co.uk/news/9-amazing-3d-pavement-paintings/

http://sunseven.hubpages.com/hub/Incredible_Beever

Apparently Pugh’s done one in Rotorua.
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November 4, 2011 6:11pm
Pauleastbay

Fletch

Brian Wilson released Smile in 2004, it was his project and vision. The sessions are a cash in by some others. Al Jardine can hardly be called the musical inspiration of the Beach Boys. All out takes etc, Wilson’s album is pure as he imagined

I’ve have had the 2004 CD since release, its good, but dated. Sgt Pepper is a monster, I’m afraid Smile doesn’t come close
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November 4, 2011 6:44pm
Black with a Vengeance

Isn’t Dunkin Donut Garner a crawly bumlicking toady of the highest order ?

If he crawled up John Key’s arse anymore he’d come out his mouth and be saying exactly the same shit with no forethought to analysing what he’s saying…oh hang on
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November 4, 2011 7:40pm
Falafulu Fisi

BWAV said…
So you’re asking, how does the gov’ts portable toilet create jobs ?

BWAV, so that’s what you do for a living? Licking toilets? Man you’re a celebrity. You’re the first Pacifika who licks toilets for a living. So, yourself as a toilet cleaner, you simply don’t use any toilet brush or any toilet antiseptic cleaning agents? You just turn up at every floor (those high rise in the city) and clean those toilets by digging your head into those toilet bowls and licking them? Haha! I will nominate you to the Nobel Committee to award you a Nobel Prize for your great work to humanity by cleaning toilets (as a professional cleaner) with your tongue? How about that huh?
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November 4, 2011 7:55pm
Black with a Vengeance

How about that huh?

weaksauce…stick to teaching maths to kids, it seems to be what you’re good at and leave the comedy routines to John Key…it seems to be what he’s good at.
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November 4, 2011 8:00pm
reid

Highly recommended: Revolution doco: unparalleled coverage of the NZ Muldoon-Lange-Douglas era.

Need I say this is what gave birth to the dynamics of today, with “rich pricks” and “politics of envy” and all the rest of it.

Draws all the right connections. Extensive interviews. 4 hours, in easy segments.

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/revolution-1-fortress-new-zealand-2009
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November 4, 2011 8:03pm
nasska

An 18 year old girl tells her Mum that she has missed her period for 2 months. Very worried, the mother goes to the pharmacy and buys a pregnancy kit. The test result shows that the girl is pregnant.

Shouting, cursing, crying, the mother says, “who was the pig that did this to you? I want to know!”

The girl picks up the phone and makes a call. Half an hour later, a Ferrari stops in front of their house. A mature and distinguished man with gray hair and impeccably dressed in an Armani suit steps out of the Ferrari and enters the house. He sits in the living room with the father, mother, and the girl and tells them: “Good morning, your daughter has informed me of the problem. I can’t marry her because of my personal family situation but I’ll take charge. I will pay all costs and provide for your daughter for the rest of her life.

Additionally, if a girl is born, I will bequeath a Ferrari, 2 retail stores, a townhouse, a beachfront villa, and a $2,000,000 bank account.

If a boy is born, my legacy will be a couple of factories and a $4,000,000 bank account. If twins, they will receive a factory and $2,000,000 each.

However, if there is a miscarriage, what do you suggest I do?”

At this point, the father, who had remained silent, places a hand firmly on the man’s shoulder and tells him, “You try again.”
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November 4, 2011 8:09pm
Black with a Vengeance

ghost chips = chur !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsFlVWqWHlA

a song for Key’s ghost jobs would be funny too…

http://www.therealstevegray.com/wp-content/uploads/ghostchipsn.jpg

though i’d settle for a National gov’t job creation plan instead cos Key’s lines on the economy are getting beyond a joke.

Goff showed him the money now Key…

SHOW US THE JOBS !!!
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November 4, 2011 8:11pm
Fletch

Fletch claims:- “Would have blown away Sgt Pepper for sure…”

Ahem, Fletch, not even in the same ball park.

Hmm, Scott. If it weren’t for the Beach Boys Pet Sounds though, the Beatles would never have tried to do a Sgt Pepper.
They have cited Pet Sounds as their inspiration. When it comes to Beatles vs Beach Boys, I’ve always firmly been in the Beach Boys camp.

Pauleastbay, hmmm. I remember being away on camp when Brian’s 2004 SMiLE came out. It was night and I had my portable CD player, and SMiLE finally in my hands. I have to admit I was slightly disappointed. I think I just prefer the original tracks more. I’d had the Sea Of Tunes #17, ‘SMiLE Sessions’ bootleg for a while at that stage. The 3 brothers’ and their cousin voices just seem to have that same timbre and blend so well.

In many magazine polls of the greatest album ever (Rolling Stone, Mojo, Q) the #1 position used to swap between Pepper & Pet Sounds depending on the year of the poll.
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November 4, 2011 8:39pm
big bruv

Number one bumper sticker in the USA at the moment is apparently this….

2012…Yes we Cain!
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November 4, 2011 8:46pm
reid

2012…Yes we Cain!

The whole world is broken, bb.

I’m very sad.
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November 4, 2011 9:00pm
big bruv

You may well be right reid but Herman Cain is at least making the Republican race interesting.

What ever you think of the man he sure as hell is one fantastic public speaker.

Ya never know, it worked for the last guy…. 🙂
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November 4, 2011 9:03pm
Scott Chris

Fletch says:- “If it weren’t for the Beach Boys Pet Sounds though, the Beatles would never have tried to do a Sgt Pepper.”

I think you’re a little confused here Fletch. Rubber Soul was the inspiration for Pet Sounds. The Beatles may have lifted an idea or two from Pet Sounds, but that is simply the way in which music evolves. The Beatles were *the* pioneers of the 60’s rock revolution.

The Golden Run:

>>Rubber Soul (1965)
>>Revolver (1966)
>>Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
>>The Beatles (aka the White Album) (1968)
>>Yellow Submarine (1969)
>>Abbey Road (1969)
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November 4, 2011 9:19pm
nasska

Ever wondered where you fit into Earth’s history? I just found out that when I was born I was the 2,501,046,049th person on the planet & the 75,569,098,317th person to have lived since history began: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15391515
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November 4, 2011 9:38pm
Steve

At the risk of demerits or ban I post this:

Super-Dog !!!

A commercial farmer in Zimbabwe has had his Rhodesian Ridgeback
cloned and added a silicone chip….

The results are truly breathtaking – the dog is now up to 10
niggerbytes per minute….

[DPF: No more jokes like that please]
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November 4, 2011 10:15pm
Steve

Good link nasska
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-15391515
It show that there is a lot of rooting going on but someone has to pay.
A War between the TAXPAYER and the WELFARE
Did I mention Greece? no never mind, bail out
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November 4, 2011 10:29pm
big bruv

Bugger me!

2540 comments and finally Scott Chris has said something sensible.
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November 4, 2011 11:36pm
Manolo

Once a leerer, always a leerer: http://news.yahoo.com/photos/italian-prime-minister-silvio-berlusconi-argentinas-president-cristina-photo-160857738.html
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