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November 23, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 23 November 2011

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Pete George

The reality is that most people don’t watch debates. And most people don’t take much notice of politics and if they vote they base their decision on vague party or leader preference.

Most people I talk to around town don’t have a clue who the electorate candidates are, and many don’t even know who the current MPs are.

Many people vote on a whim, and many couldn’t even explain why they are inclined a particular way.
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November 24, 2011 6:59am
Manolo

Key’s shifty eyes do not impress. His media minders and spin doctors should tell him to look straight at the camera.
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November 24, 2011 7:00am
Manolo

Anything but shy: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/8909336/Russian-newsreader-Tatyana-Limanova-makes-insulting-gesture-at-Obama.html
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November 24, 2011 7:06am
Viking2

Elaycee (1,735) Says:
November 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm

@Viking2 says: “Well some people can just not even read basic reporting. No wonder we need National Standards. Need to apply them to National supporters I suggest.”

V2: Do you try extra hard to be a muppet or does it come naturally? Winkelmann J declined to find in favour of TV3 et al and deemed that the content of the illegally recorded tapes, would not be released pending the Police investigation. Had you checked TV3′s website, you’ll see they ARE pissed off.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Teapot-tapes-remain-under-wraps/tabid/419/articleID/233797/Default.aspx

So you’re right. Our education system let you down when it failed to provide you with basic comprehension skills.

Winkle declined to find in favour of either cause and without reading all the justification she explained why I guess. You on the other hand assumed that becuase her ruling retained the staus quo, so as not (in her estimation), predujice the further investigation, (which would not be needed if she had made a decision,) decided that the ruling was in Keys Favour.

Patently not so, anymore than it was in Ambrose favour. She pointed out the day before that her likely opinion was that and you even missed that part.

You need to learn to join the dots. You can buy kiddies books that will teach you that.
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November 24, 2011 7:07am
Viking2

Manolo (5,415) Says:
November 24th, 2011 at 7:00 am

Key’s shifty eyes do not impress. His media minders and spin doctors should tell him to look straight at the camera.

Pleased I wasn’t the only one that noticed. Manolo.

I though Goff took the debate to Key fairly well, answered the questions and indeed pulled the debate back to the questions on several occasions when it had wandered off.
Key ran the usual party line and as Tracey Watkins has said blind sided Key quite effectively over the police.

Good debate for Goff and indeed I think showed the skills that he really does have after so many years representing NZ.

That said I don’t want too many of his mates running the country so untill he flicks off the rainbows and unionists I will be happy to give a tick to Phil but leave his mates at home.
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November 24, 2011 7:13am
Elaycee

@Viking2 – I had actually given you more credit that bundling you in with the many prats that haunt KB. Inyour case, it appears that I was wrong.

I’ll spell it out slowly foryou:

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November 24, 2011 7:44am
Elaycee

@Viking2 – I’ll start again.

I had actually given you more credit that bundling you in with the many prats that haunt KB. In your case, it appears that I was wrong. So I’ll spell it out slowly for you:

1. I said: “This will piss off TV3 etc”….
2. You then bleat that I’ve interpreted Winkelmann J’s judgement.

Huh? Read what I said again. If you cannot understand what I wrote, then ask someone older to read it for you. It shouldn’t be too hard.

I said that TV3 would be pissed off and I was right! They wanted (come hell or high water) to release the material illegally recorded in order to somehow exonerate their contractor / reporter / cameraman / whatever. Thats why they hired the Gweenpeace lawyers and sought a Declaratory Judgement. And they failed. Winkelmann J said that she would not rule because the Police were investigating the matter. A sensible position to take and an entirely predictable decision. Even to a layman.

TV3 are bleating. Surely you can see that? Bleating means that they’re not happy. Which is what I said… Doh!

Best go dig another hole elsewhere.
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November 24, 2011 7:54am
adze

V2, are you crusading against Key in the hopes that who will take over? Don Brash? Remember the South Park law on politics: The choice is always between a giant douche, and a turd sandwich.
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November 24, 2011 8:00am
thedavincimode

adze

Its almost as if Key rooted his old sheila.

V2 seems to have wanted a Brash 3 year government so we could then have nine years of purgatory under his new bum chum Goff.
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November 24, 2011 8:05am
Manolo

thedavincimode, your loyalty to Key and the Labour lite party is unrivalled, mate.
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November 24, 2011 9:17am
Scott Chris

Elaycee says:- “I had actually given you more credit that bundling you in with the many prats that haunt KB”

Thus spake the Queen Prat.
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November 24, 2011 9:40am
thedavincimode

Manolo

Let me know when ACT is rating 30% plus in the polls and in a position to put a Government together that will last more than 3 years.

Until then, I prefer not to just piss my vote up against the wall. It would actually make more sense to vote for the Maori Party.
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November 24, 2011 11:39am
Bevan

Wow, I’m shocked! The Herald actually has a decent question on Asset Sales!

Where do you stand on state asset sales?
Completely opposed to it (43%)
Agree with partial sales of some assets (52%)
Want outright sale of state-owned power companies (3%)
I’m undecided (2%)

I know these are unscientific, but considering Labour is no doubt rorting the poll so the completely opposed %age would most likely be lower – it seems the majority of respondents are supportive of National’s plan!
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November 24, 2011 11:42am
Elaycee

Hey, moron! Yup – that’s you, Scoot.

Nice that you feel free to call people names but as soon as someone refers to you as a dork / prat / stalk / pisshead / boy racer / resident moron / self confessed narc /nonce / pimp / idiot / leftard / ‘know all’ etc, you run off squealing like a little stuck piggie all the way to the headmaster.

Hypocrite.
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November 24, 2011 11:49am

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