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November 20, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Yvette

… Since we revealed that we had been given a recording of the “cup of tea” conversation between Prime Minister John Key and Act’s Epsom candidate John Banks, the PM has devoted much of his energy to denigrating this newspaper and refused to engage with the significant political issues the conversation raises.

Ludicrously, he sought to compare the recording with the News of the World phone-hacking – a comparison rightly dismissed as a “cheap shot” by the London barrister representing the victims of that outrage. …

– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10767281

So the London barrister just rang the Herald editor to spontaneously express his outrage, or did the editor of the Herald contact him, to either try to justify the Herald’s own position or, better still, endeavour to kick the issue a little further?

The Herald could possibly serve us by asking Peters how he can consider the tape illegal last Monday but he himself release what he claims to be details from it by Thursday afternoon.
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November 20, 2011 8:03am
Other_Andy

Another day, another NZ Herald.

The headlines:

Election 2011: Goff ready for the hard decisions.
Election 2011: Key ducking the questions.

Another 6 days for the Herald to garner support for Labour and the Greens.
Down with National and ACT.
Go Labour, Greens and Maori………!

While a lot of people are fed up with the one-eyed journalistas, Michael Laws goes over the top.
Taking a shotgun to journos – the Michael Laws answer
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10767409
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November 20, 2011 8:07am
Other_Andy

The Herald and TV3 journalistas might get their wish.
A dysfunctional parliament.
Latest Horizon Poll
NZ First 10% and set to hold balance of power

A Horizon poll of 2874 people is projecting National on 46 seats in a 122-seat parliament, and Labour and the Greens on 50.
That leaves 26 seats to decide the government and, according to Horizon, Winston Peters’ New Zealand First is on track to take up to 13 of them.

http://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/180/nz-first-10-
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/campaign-trail/6000203/Surprise-poll-results-no-shock-for-a-defiant-Winston

[DPF: I have blogged before about that poll. It is massively out of step with all other polls. The SST should know better than to give it such prominence the week before the election, but I am hardly surprised]
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November 20, 2011 8:08am
labours a joke

labours a joke,

“So you are not Mr Phil Goff? sorry about that chief”

aw shucks what gave it away…bloody cunliffe, told me it was a good user name. Whats his angle?
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November 20, 2011 8:08am
Manolo

Passports are ready!
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November 20, 2011 8:10am
Jimbob

So Winston first has gone from 3% to 10% in twenty four hours. Please.
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November 20, 2011 8:20am
Barnsley Bill

Horizon are a joke, I completed that poll 6 times. All from the same ip address. The SST are going to look like clowns next Sunday
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November 20, 2011 8:22am
flipper

Labour, the HoS, the pensioner from St Marys Bay, russel with one L and their bastard child, J.Milne, are in cloud cookoo land.

As for Horizon Polls…they will disappear over the horizon.
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November 20, 2011 8:27am
Other_Andy

@BB 7 Flipper

How accurate has Horizon been in the past?
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November 20, 2011 8:27am
Scott Chris

Other_Andy says:- “Laws told listeners: “If I had a gun I’d shoot them – put them out of their misery – because they have gone rabid and they may infect others.”

LMAO, that’s rich, coming from one of the most pernicious, unprincipled, shit stirring, attention seeking scandal chasers this country has ever produced. He plainly appears to be part of the media body that has gone rabid, and needs euthanasing.
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November 20, 2011 8:35am
niggly

Check this out – whilst in the last few days some people on the Left (pollies included) denounced the Nat/ACT Epsom tactical voting as a rort on MMP ……. Matt McCarten pleads for Left Voters to vote tactically in the same manner.

“I want to advise you on the importance of using your electorate vote in certain seats to tactically consolidate around a single candidate who has the best chance of defeating their right-wing counterpart.”

This includes Left voters to vote National in Epsom to keep ACT out.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10767277

I’m not against what McCarten is asking per-se, after all a commentator like himself can express such opinions, but just wonder about the hypocrisy factor.

I hope then McCarten hasn’t been saying before that the idea of JK/JB’s having a cup of tea meeting is a sham?
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November 20, 2011 8:44am
flipper

Their UK equivalent is, according to some reports, on a par with conventional polls. But their data base is bigger by a factor of thousands.
Similar polls in the US have zero credibility because of the regisater/prize factors.
I stand to be corrected, but they have zero credibility in NZ. I do not recall a single instance where they have accurately indicated (not predicted) an outcome.
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November 20, 2011 8:45am
Centreback

Im not so worried, I think its a KEY/ACT/UF/MAORI Government again. People like stability
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November 20, 2011 8:46am
damocles

The breathless reporting of the Horizon Poll on the front page of this morning’s Sunday Star-Times was largely incoherent and left us confused as to what the actual numbers were … no comprehensible coverage of the relative standing of the parties.

Small wonder … when we go to the front page at www.http://horizonpoll.co.nz we see that their latest numbers give Winston and NZ First 10% and “set to hold balance of power”.

Wow — that would be a story! Surprised the SST didn’t highlight the 10% number. Paradigms shifting in their graves.

On the other hand, perhaps they’re aware of BB’s contention above that this poll is the easiest to manipulate.
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November 20, 2011 9:03am
reid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whBNWYYwxBg&feature=player_embedded#!
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November 20, 2011 9:03am
peterwn

Yvette – hope the London barrister sends the Herald a decent bill.
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November 20, 2011 9:07am
side show bob

Just watching Shonkey on Q&A, he’s saying we must support our exporters. Here’s a novel idea John, dump the bloody ETS con.
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November 20, 2011 9:17am
Other_Andy

Only in the EU

EU officials concluded that, following a three-year (3 years!!! Costing ??) investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.
Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-dehydration.html
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November 20, 2011 9:22am
labours a joke

Is Mike Williams wearing glasses?? I cant tell.
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November 20, 2011 9:26am
labours a joke

” I cant give you a figure on that “..c’mon Phil , shows us the money !
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November 20, 2011 9:31am
side show bob

labours a joke, bloody hell, Mike looks like he’s been on the piss for a month. I guess the left will do that to you.
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November 20, 2011 9:37am
labours a joke

I like those glasses…armless glasses, very trendy Mike. Chardonnay socialist.
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November 20, 2011 9:40am
Falafulu Fisi

Who’s that idiot professor in the Q&A program? Mr McKinnon is talking more sense than the fucking pseudo intellectual professor. Get that fucking professor off that show.
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November 20, 2011 9:45am
adze

Lol laj
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November 20, 2011 9:46am
adze

Johanssen has been pegged as the permanent leftie on the show for some time FF.
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November 20, 2011 9:47am
Manolo

I agree: for Smile and Wave to express support for our exporters while keeping the ETS tax (and considering expand it) is hypocrisy of the highest order.

Actions speak louder that words: Abolish the ETS now!
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November 20, 2011 9:48am
Inventory2

This should leave you in no doubt as to how much credibility the Horizon poll has:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/11/we-cant-help-but-wonder-ix.html

It seems to be completely open to manipulation, with few checks and balances.
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November 20, 2011 9:49am
labours a joke

Whats plughead cosgrove gona do for a crust once he’s had is arse kicked next saturday?
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November 20, 2011 9:51am
Manolo

Plughead Cosgrove will always be able to find a job as a suppository.
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November 20, 2011 9:55am
side show bob

Falafulu Fisi the idiot professor is the resident house socialist. He’s like a trained lap dog, does a lot of yapping but makes no sense what so ever. Poor old Winnie, same old ducking and diving the questions, same old BS.
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November 20, 2011 9:57am
Manolo

These are the violent scum among us, product of a failed socialist state education: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/teen-thugs-attack-english-men-in-new-zealand/story-e6frfku0-1226200057097
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November 20, 2011 9:58am
Lindsay Addie

labours a joke,

Sorry to break this to you but Cosgrove has got his arse parked at #8 on the Labour list so he’ll most likely be back.
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November 20, 2011 10:07am
labours a joke

“Most will be dealt with through New Zealand’s juvenile justice system which means they will not face criminal charges.”

And therein lies the problem Manolo..no accountability for ones actions. Go and beat someone to within an inch of their lives and theres no punishment handed out. NZ’s ” justice ” system is a sick joke.
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November 20, 2011 10:10am
Viking2

Act leader Don Brash has called for the closure of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.

Now that should attract a lot of Kiwiblog voters to Party Vote Act.

Or are you all just hot air and moaners?

Failed ministry has highest pay rates
MARIKA HILL
Last updated 05:00 20/11/2011

NO POLICY CHANGES EVER: Act leader Don Brash has called for the closure of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.

The future of some government ministries is again in the spotlight after damning reviews of both the ministries of women’s and Pacific Island affairs.

A State Services Commission report identified poor policy, limited skills, high overheads and a heavy reliance on bigger agencies.

Despite the report, those working for Pacific Island Affairs were, on average, paid almost $20,000 more than other public sector workers.

The ministries remained safe in a recent shake-up of state services, despite the National Party having indicated in the past it would abolish women’s affairs, a ministry labelled a pointless legacy of the past by a panel of business people, unionists and lobbyists in June.

Act leader Don Brash has called for the closure of women’s affairs.

“I have never been clear on what its role actually is. It produces a number of reports but I can’t think of any policy changes that have been made,” he said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/latest-edition/6000052/Failed-ministry-has-highest-pay-rates
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November 20, 2011 10:19am
Inventory2

Quite right Lindsay; whatever the good folk of Waimakariri say about Clayton Cosgrove, he’ll be back, thanks to his safe List placing.

That’s MMP for you folks; you don’t actually have a say. Vote for Change (Authorised by Keeping Stock, Somewhere in the Blogosphere)
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November 20, 2011 10:24am
Viking2

Pine-bark extract helps brain function
SARAH HARVEY
Last updated 05:00 20/11/2011

Ronny Franks has spent the past year battling to regain her memory after suffering a traumatic brain injury when she tripped and hit her head on a wooden floor.

The Auckland woman, like thousands of others in New Zealand, suffers the daily frustrations of trying to remember what she did yesterday, trying to sleep with issues such as ringing in her ears, and learning to live with the difficulties and fears of a brain injury.

Interesting development. The knowledge is not new and the products have been around for many years. They also have a great effect on arteries and blood pressure among other things.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/latest-edition/6000135/Pine-bark-extract-helps-brain-function

On the lighter side many Kiwiblog commenters should take them by the bottle full.:lol:
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November 20, 2011 10:27am
Viking2

Yep IV2. go for a dictatorship just like the past. Born to rule by the Nats. and we will fuck you over by the Unions and never mind anyone else.

Why is it that so many people have bloody short memeory spans?
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November 20, 2011 10:30am
flipper

The resident academic on what passes as questions plus answers….
And what about telly-tubby Holmes, espinder and the resident socialist producer, Watkin?

The good thing about the programme today was the presence of Don McKinnon. McKinnon really showed up the piggish Williams and idiotic Johannsen. My only question would be why he would lower himself by agreeing to appear on the same programme.

Was he trying to make boots for them so they could pull themselves by the straps?
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November 20, 2011 10:32am
Paul Marsden

If Key was the Chairman/CEO/Managing Director of a public company, and was taped having a conversation with a person discussing the proposition that that person, might become a Director of the said Company,(which could affect the value of the shares of that company), would the shareholder who taped the conversation, be within his/her legal rights to share that information with other shareholders? Is this a scenario analogous to Tea-Gate where Key is on the public pay roll and whereby he might be legally bound to reveal the contents of his conversations with shareholders of NZ Inc???
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November 20, 2011 10:32am
Pauleastbay

Viking2 (5,510) Says:
November 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Act leader Don Brash has called for the closure of the Ministry of Women’s Affairs.
………

Well at least he is attempting to do something realizing the election is this year, fantastic idea but why hasn’t he been talking this stuff up for the last month??????????????????????? instead of gobbing off about important stuff like peoples legal right to get off their tits
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November 20, 2011 10:32am
Manolo

Sorry to express contrary opinion, but I CANNOT stoop to watch that crap political left-wing show.
Turn the TV off and ignore the bullshit it broadcasts.
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November 20, 2011 10:36am
freddos

@ Inventory2 Cosgrove also doesn’t usually go on the list so the fact he did this time shows he’s known from the outset he won’t win the seat.

Spare a thought for the poor voters of Ohariu whose views count so little that they only get to decide whether they want to be represented by Dunne+Chauvel+Shanks+Hughes or just Chauvel+Shanks+Hughes. No way to get rid of the losers… (that is particularly directed at Shanks who is a joke).
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November 20, 2011 10:37am
Viking2

No wonder Key wants to sell the Power Companies.
Sooner Smith and tthe ETS are gone the better.

Helping NZ exporters was what Key said clearly on Q+A this morning.

Energy giants burn NZ
ROB STOCK
Last updated 05:00 20/11/2011

Motorists are paying up to $25 a tonne for carbon at the petrol pump while the price of carbon credits on the open market is just over $13, leading to windfall profits for petrol companies.

New Zealand emitters are able to buy and surrender dubious, but cheap Eastern European “industrial gas” credits, banned or limited in other carbon markets, under by New Zealand’s Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS) at prices far below the expected $25 level when the scheme was established.

However, independent sources say emitters such as electricity and petrol companies have been passing on carbon costs at $25 a tonne, rather than the lower actual cost.

Much more at http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5999693/Energy-giants-burn-NZ

Could not be a more dishonest rip off of Kwiw’s if they tried.
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November 20, 2011 10:39am
Pauleastbay

Paul Marsden…would the shareholder who taped the conversation, be within his/her legal rights to share that information with other shareholders?

Yes, if a High Court Judge issued an interception warrant that the conversation was relating to the number of crimes that such a warrant can be issued for based on affidavits supporting the warrant, and these are bloody hard to get.

Otherwise no, its illegal to record private communications in this country, the scenario doesn’t matter, you can convolute it any way you like but 3+ 3 still does not make 7
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November 20, 2011 10:39am
Manolo

The ETS tax, the brainchild of the despised socialist Labour Party, has been implemented by its namesake Labour lite, aka the National Party.

Both political organisations are guilty of conspiring against New Zealand’s economic development by allowing such a scam. The ETS tax is indefensible.
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November 20, 2011 10:47am
Manolo

Tripe like this passes as news in The Huruld: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10767404&ref=rss
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November 20, 2011 10:53am
Viking2

THE NEWSPAPER’S VIEW

The Herald on Sunday did not “bug” the Prime Minister. We did not know his conversation with John Banks had been recorded until a freelancer gave it to us afterwards. We assessed the tape as having a public interest and asked for the politicians’ permission to print. They said no, so we didn’t.

It is what we do every week with a mountain of information handed to the paper – is it interesting, is it legally and ethically permissible to print?

That’s how the media should operate in a free society.
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November 20, 2011 10:54am
Longknives

What an absolute bloody disgrace the Kiwis are

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/5999505/Kiwis-hooker-Luke-I-tried-to-break-his-leg
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November 20, 2011 10:54am
Nookin

Saw that Longknives and agree entirely. The guy should not be selected again.
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November 20, 2011 11:03am
Paul Marsden

Pauleastbay (1,591) Says:

November 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am

Thanks, but what is the legal definition of the word ‘private’, or, is this purely arbitrary depending on the whim of a Judge? Say for example, I taped a ‘private’ conversation between two parties planing to commit a murder? Would I be in breach of the Privacy Act”, if I disclosed that tape to any other persons? Could I technically be charged for revealing that information to any other party, including the police? If so, it just underscores how ludicrous the Act is .

A member of my family lost their business (a major employer in a small town) and their entire life’s work, to a conman they employed as a manager. The conman had previous form and was well known to the police. Prior to employing the conman and doing as many back ground checks as they could, my family member rang the police asking if there was anything they should be wary about concerning this individual. The Police refused any comment, citing the Privacy Act and the rest of course, is history. This example is a shocking indictment of a country gone mad with protecting peoples privacy and where the consequences outweigh any gains. Is this the kind of New Zealand you want??
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November 20, 2011 11:08am
Viking2

Pauleastbay (1,591) Says:
November 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am

Paul Marsden…would the shareholder who taped the conversation, be within his/her legal rights to share that information with other shareholders?

Yes, if a High Court Judge issued an interception warrant that the conversation was relating to the number of crimes that such a warrant can be issued for based on affidavits supporting the warrant, and these are bloody hard to get.

Otherwise no, its illegal to record private communications in this country, the scenario doesn’t matter, you can convolute it any way you like but 3+ 3 still does not make 7

Go to yesterdyays GD and read the legal opinions I copied over. All is not black and white in a poilitical world and theuir are legal precedents already established which disagree with your view.
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November 20, 2011 11:10am
adamsmith1922

the sanctimonious attitudes being adopted by many in the media, especially the Herald and TV3 are repugnant. The Herald seems to have dragooned many of their staff into writing attack pieces on Key.

Yet labour passes unchallenged.

Strange that!
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November 20, 2011 11:12am
tristanb

The Herald on Sunday did not “bug” the Prime Minister.

Yes they did.

The guy walked in, stating he was from the Herald. He planted a hidden microphone on the table. He recorded the audio from outside with his camera. The Herald then paid him for the tape. He bragged about the tape on Facebook prior to the news coming out.

The Herald didn’t expect John Key to fight back to their dirty tricks. So the Herald has continued an anti-John Key slant to everything since the event. It’s disgusting.

That is not how the media should operate in a free society.
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November 20, 2011 11:13am
BlueGriffon

The left are putting up the fake Goldsmith signs again, the blown up business card ones, but have added on a promoter statement, which is Goldsmiths.

This makes the signs ‘legal’ but what are the legalities of adding a promoter statement that is not actually approved by the promoter. This will impact on the campaign spend too won’t it?

Its on the Stranded but I won’t link to that cesspool.
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November 20, 2011 11:26am
Australis

The media play a vital role in democracies in effecting a wide distribution of the policies and activities of political leaders.

The fourth estate are supposed to be “intermediaries”, not principals, and they obviously can’t perform their function if they have conflicts of interest, or self-serving agendas.

Occasionally, readers suspect that newspapers might be adopting a self-interested position, in either the selection or slant of coverage. But this time it’s being shouted from the rooftops. All pretence has been swept aside, and the ‘Herald’ has effectively threatened to hijack the entire election campaign to punish the prime minister for impugning its ethics.

As Michael Laws says, these people have gone rabid. This is particularly dangerous in the Auckland region where the Herald has a monopoly on daily print media. No wonder other APN/Fairfax/Murdoch countries are holding official enquiries.
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November 20, 2011 11:27am
publicwatchdog

Am I picking up a note of panic amongst some Kiwibloggers?

That the outcome of the 2011 NZ general election is perhaps not quite going according to plan?

That the carefully packaged image of John Key as an affable, ‘genuine good bloke’ is starting to fall apart?

Surely not.

Remember folks – only poll that counts is an election (or by-election) result.

Remember the Botany 2011by-election?

36% turnout.

I predict that a number of (former?) National Party voters will choose not to vote in this 2011 election, as was the case in Botany.

As the truth about shonky John Key’s shady Wall St bank$ter background finally becomes better known to the NZ voting public, including his role in arguably helping to start the current financial crisis as the head of derivatives for Merrill Lynch, ipredict his and National’s ‘spin-doctored’ manufactured popularity will continue their steady downhill spiral……………….

http://www.seafoodconference.co.nz/co-speakers

“2011 Conference Speaker Profiles

John Key, Prime Minister of New Zealand
Opening Address

Prime Minister John Key graduated with a Bachelor of Commerce from Canterbury University. He launched his investment banking career in New Zealand in the mid-1980s, and went on to work in Singapore, London, and Sydney for Merrill Lynch, becoming head of global foreign exchange and European bond and derivative trading. In 1999 Mr Key was invited to join the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In 2001, Mr Key returned to New Zealand. He was elected MP for Helensville in 2002, becoming National Party Leader in November 2006, and then Prime Minister following the 2008 General Election.”

________________________________________________________________________________________________

A week is a VERY long time in politics – and this final week before this 2011 will contain some political dynamite (in my considered opinion).

Penny Bright
(MAINSTREAM MEDIA ‘CENSORED’ ) Independent Candidate for Epsom
Campaigning against ‘white collar’ CRIME, CORRUPTION (and its root cause – PRIVATISATION) and ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’
waterpressure@gmail.com
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November 20, 2011 11:37am
Johnboy

Hello Penny my darling! 🙂

Just when I congratulate you on writing a very short concise comment you are back to posting huge piles of shit that none of us bother to read.

Are you Magpies sister by any chance?
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November 20, 2011 11:46am
thedavincimode

Johnboy

Remember, she isn’t who she thinks she is.
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November 20, 2011 11:51am
Johnboy

Are any of us?
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November 20, 2011 11:54am
labours a joke

Lay of the meths there Penny.
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November 20, 2011 12:02pm
Michael

Willing to bet a very fine bottle of win with you Penny that the raw number of votes for National will be higher this year than in 2008 – i.e. 1,053,399 or higher.
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November 20, 2011 12:05pm
holysheet

“A week is a VERY long time in politics – and this final week before this 2011 will contain some political dynamite (in my considered opinion). ” Penny Bright.

If this was the first election key was contesting I might believe you Penny. This time 3 years ago Hellun and liabour were even more desperate to dig the dirt on key. What happened ? nothing, zilch, nadda. So you go back to your water closet from where you came (and belong) and leave the political comments to those that have a bit more grey matter than a water rat.
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November 20, 2011 12:11pm
reid

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-army-tests-hypersonic-weapon-6264221.html

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Repost: What IS this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whBNWYYwxBg&feature=player_embedded#!
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November 20, 2011 12:14pm
Viking2

A single glass at night could mean a peaceful, uninterrupted nights sleep.
NEW Wine for Seniors
I kid you not…

California vintners in the Napa Valley area, which primarily produce Pinot Blanc, Pinot Noir, and Pinot Grigio wines, have developed a new hybrid grape that acts as an anti-diuretic.
It is expected to reduce the number of trips older people have to make to the bathroom during the night.

The new wine will be
marketed as

PINO MORE

I HEARD IT THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE!!
I just could not help it!
Forward this to all your “senior” friends

Just what Penny needs. Yep, no more water problems.

hahahahah:lol: 😆 8)
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November 20, 2011 12:16pm
Viking2

A blonde was mowing the lawn in her garden in Tairua and accidentally cut off the tail of her cat that was hiding in the grass.

She rushed her cat, along with the tail, over to mitre 10 !

Why mitre 10 ??

HELLOOOOOOOOO!

mitre 10 is the largest re-tailer in New Zealand !!!
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November 20, 2011 12:19pm
reid

This is really useful if you want to understand why the 7% bond yield threshold is critical to the Italian bond market. It explains how yields are calculated and what the implications are for the Euro and the EU economy if Italy can’t bring them back down.

It also explains the reason why everyone especially France are telling the Germans to step aside and let the ECB print money.

http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/11/beginners-guide-to-european-debt-crisis.html
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November 20, 2011 12:26pm
reid

Check this out: Euro-skeptic in the EU Commission:

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/11/awesome-rant/
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November 20, 2011 12:37pm
Paulus

I hear that Bernie Monk (of Greymouth – Pike River) now only represents only “some” of the miner’s families.
Until now he as purported to the media to represent all the miner’s families.
Some families have clearly indicated that they would rather their loved ones were left in the mine.
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November 20, 2011 12:46pm
publicwatchdog

Seen this?

From: Coleman [mailto:coleman.rm@paradise.net.nz]
Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2011 6:47 p.m.
Subject: Here is the Letter to New Zealand that was nailed today to the
Cross of Many Colours outside CERA’s office

Hi everyone,

Here is the Letter to all New Zealand that was nailed to our Cross of Many Colours outside CERA’s door.
This letter explains what is really happening to people throughout Canterbury.
We want all NZ to know!!
Do not believe what the Government is saying.
Please do not make up your minds about Cantabrians who are struggling unless you read this.

regards
Rev. Mike Coleman
WeCan

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=gmail&attid=0.1&thid=133bdf33e3a25722&mt=application/msword&url=https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui%3D2%26ik%3D18afffb768%26view%3Datt%26th%3D133bdf33e3a25722%26attid%3D0.1%26disp%3Dsafe%26zw&sig=AHIEtbSAbrUiMLPPIOJoixo7KAq7vjsW6A&pli=1
__________________________________________________________________________________________________

Forwarded in the public interest by Penny Bright
Independent Candidate for Epsom
waterpressure@gmail.com
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November 20, 2011 12:47pm
Falafulu Fisi

Reid, here is an example.

Bond Yield Calculation:
===============

Bond Price = $95
Coupon Rate = 0.05 (or 5%);
Settle Date = ’20-Jan-1997′;
Maturity Date = ’15-Jun-2011′;
Period = 2 (semi-annual);
Basis = actual/actual;

Result:
=====
Yield = 0.0551 (or 5.51%)

The algorithms for fixed income calculation can be found in the followings:

#1) “Standard Securities Calculation Methods” by Mayle, Jan, Securities Industry Association, Inc. Vol. 1, 3rd ed., 1993, ISBN 1-882936-01-9. Vol. 2, 1994

#2) “Standard Securities Calculation Methods: Fixed Income Securities Formulas for Analytic Measures“, Securities Industry Association, Vol. 2, Spring 1995

The 2 above are the bibles of the financial analysts in the fund managements and banks.

PS: I’ve written all the bond price/yield algorithms found in the 2 references above in software for commercial use.
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November 20, 2011 12:57pm
reid

Penny your link does not allow one to view the doc and invites one to setup a gmail account in order the view the html edition, which I’m not going to do.

Not that I really care.

Posted in the Kiwiblogger’s interest by reid*
King of Moldar
reid@idontwantagmailaccount.com

*Subject to confirmation and expect definition of “interest” to be heatedly debated
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November 20, 2011 12:57pm
Johnboy

Much better Penny my love. 🙂

Reduce it by a factor of five to four lines and we all promise to read it! 🙂
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November 20, 2011 12:59pm
Manolo

Excellent video, reid. Thank you.
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November 20, 2011 1:18pm
reid

Good analysis of AIPAC operations in the UN

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2011/11/18/the-aipac-caucus-in-the-united-nations.html

You mean the what the heck is it, Manolo? Yeah.
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November 20, 2011 1:22pm
Manolo

More wisdom from the European Union: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-dehydration.html
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November 20, 2011 1:24pm
Manolo

You mean the what the heck is it, Manolo? Yeah.

Farage delivered an excellent speech and didn’t mince his words when attacking the EU bureaucrats. The faces of the stunned listeners said it all.

His closing statement is a gem. Good on him for speaking his mind.
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November 20, 2011 1:27pm
Tookinator

An interview with me on organ donation is included in this feature article today in the Sunday Herald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10767430
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November 20, 2011 1:29pm
Peter

Repost: What IS this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whBNWYYwxBg&feature=player_embedded#!

Fake.

http://forgetomori.com/2009/ufos/viral-invasion-confirmes-spanish-ufos-came-from-terra/
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November 20, 2011 1:33pm
Pete George

Today is White Ribbon Ride day.

In 2011 there will be a North and South Island White Ribbon Motorcycle ride. If you own a bike and want to ride with other men that believe violence is an issue worth riding for, then join us. Violence destroys families, sets our children on a destructive journey and affects one in three women.

Read this Message to Kiwi Men.
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November 20, 2011 1:35pm
Yvette

Mr Peters, who also appeared on the programme [Television New Zealand’s Q+A this morning], is standing by his statement that New Zealand First would not join a government.
“We’re not out there campaigning for people to vote for us so we can prop up another party – that makes us uniquely different.
“We believe Parliament’s a powerful instrument and a powerful institution for democracy. For the first time for a long time, it’ll regain some of its power.”
Mr Peters believes New Zealand First will get much more than the 5% support required to get back into Parliament.
– http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/election-2011/91577/goff-won't-be-drawn-on-peters'-role-in-any-labour-led-govt

This is our position and this is our message for voters. If you don’t want to vote for National,  Vote for New Zealand First. If you don’t want to vote for Labour,  Vote for New Zealand First. If we have to, and if that is what NZ First decides, we will be pleased to sit on the cross benches guarding the interests of ALL New Zealanders. We have done it before. National and Labour can look after themselves.  We will support legislation that’s in line with New Zealand First policies. And we will always support any policy or idea that’s good for the country – no matter where it comes from. We have done it before. In return we will expect support for our initiatives.  This makes our position clear.  No pre-election deals, no nudge-nudge, wink-wink political horse trading before you the voter have spoken. Those who argue for pre-election deals are trying to weaken your vote.  They seek to marginalize your role in democracy. Don’t let them. Instead of doing pre-election deals, we will concentrate on the big issues facing New Zealanders.  Because, as a wise man once said, It’s not so much where you stand as where you are going that’s really important.
– http://www.nzfirst.org.nz/
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November 20, 2011 1:40pm
Other_Andy

The Duke of Edinburgh has made a fierce attack on wind farms, describing them as “absolutely useless”.
The country has 3,421 turbines — 2,941 of them onshore — with another 4,500 expected to be built under plans for wind power to play a more important role in providing Britain’s energy.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8901985/Wind-farms-are-useless-says-Duke.html

New Zealand has 447 operating wind turbines.
They supply about 4% of New Zealand’s annual electricity generation.
To provide 100% of our current energy needs, we ‘only’ need 11,175 turbines or another 10,728 turbines.

This will work if:
Our populationenergy needs don’t increase.
We don’t have too many windless days.
We increase the power distribution net dramatically.
Find ways of storing electricity.

Windmills environmentally friendly?
In a report released by the Pennsylvania Games Commission it is estimated that windmills killed 10,500 bats and 1,680 birds through June 2010 .
This is just in one month and only in Pennsylvania.
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November 20, 2011 1:40pm
side show bob

Peter, that you tube video has been around for yonks, has been picked apart, hoax hoax and hoax.

Manolo, the EU bureaucrats will eventually drown in their own shit but what can you expect when socialists rule the roost. Big government are the only things these fruit loops understand. Europe will of course eventually fail and the bureaucrats will run around like headless chooks wondering where they all went wrong.
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November 20, 2011 1:51pm
joana

Mike Williams recently started working for the Howard League for 125,000 a year. Many others have worked for the League for decades for free. His appointment prompted a walk out by mainly AK lawyers .
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November 20, 2011 2:25pm
Scott Chris

Other_Andy says:- “The Duke of Edinburgh has made a fierce attack on wind farms, describing them as “absolutely useless”.”

~Blimey Andy, what an authoritative source!~

The new ‘satanic mill’ perhaps?
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November 20, 2011 2:35pm
Johnboy

Perhaps they had been hooked into the grid by Indian electricians Scotty.

The Duke has a thing about them.
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November 20, 2011 2:45pm
wikiriwhis business

MF Global 600m missing …frauduently

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3L32RIkqNk&feature=share

Big news in US
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November 20, 2011 2:53pm
wat dabney

Jesus H. Christ.

In Britain the Tories are planning to replicate the catastrophic US Fannie & Freddie scenario which largely precipitated the global financial disaster:

“David Cameron is to announce plans to build as many as 450,000 mainly affordable homes between now and 2015…Under the mortgage indemnity scheme the government would cover the risk for the lender”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/nov/18/housing-plans-new-homes

It absolutely beggars belief.
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November 20, 2011 3:24pm
reid

wat, have a look at Gerald Celente on MF Global. He lost money on it when the Chicago Mercantile Exchange refused to cover the MF Global collapse out of a fund they have specifically to ensure that customers never lose their money as a result of a broker’s collapse. Gerald’s not very happy about that:

http://www.trendsresearch.com/SubscriberArea/criminal-mafia-enterprise

This explains why its serious.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/entire-system-has-been-utterly-destroyed-mf-global-collapse-presenting-first-mf-global-casualty
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November 20, 2011 3:45pm
reid

EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

EU officials concluded that, following a three-year investigation, there was no evidence to prove the previously undisputed fact.

Producers of bottled water are now forbidden by law from making the claim and will face a two-year jail sentence if they defy the edict, which comes into force in the UK next month.

Last night, critics claimed the EU was at odds with both science and common sense. Conservative MEP Roger Helmer said: “This is stupidity writ large.

“The euro is burning, the EU is falling apart and yet here they are: highly-paid, highly-pensioned officials worrying about the obvious qualities of water and trying to deny us the right to say what is patently true.

“If ever there were an episode which demonstrates the folly of the great European project then this is it.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8897662/EU-bans-claim-that-water-can-prevent-dehydration.html

Crikey. I wonder why it took 3 years to investigate?
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November 20, 2011 3:56pm
thedavincimode

“The Duke of Edinburgh has made a fierce attack on wind farms, describing them as ‘absolutely useless’.”

The Duke of Edinburgh: defining “absolutely useless” since 2nd June 1953.
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November 20, 2011 4:07pm
Scott Chris

Well Johnboy, he is remarkably consistent with his gaffes. Mind you, he’s as smart at 90 as he’s ever been…

This was in the herald a few months back. 90 gaffes in 90 years:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10729284
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November 20, 2011 4:07pm
Scott Chris

Some of Prince Phillip’s highlights: (Number 7 is a classic Johnboy)

1. “Deaf? If you’re near there, no wonder you are deaf.” Said to a group of deaf children standing near a Caribbean steel drum band in 2000.

2. “If you stay here much longer, you will go home with slitty eyes.” To 21-year-old British student Simon Kerby during a visit to China in 1986.

3. “You managed not to get eaten then?” To a British student who had trekked in Papua New Guinea, during an official visit in 1998.

4. “You can’t have been here that long – you haven’t got a pot belly.” To a British tourist during a tour of Budapest, Hungary, in 1993.

5. “How do you keep the natives off the booze long enough to pass the test?” Asked of a Scottish driving instructor in 1995.

6. “Damn fool question!” To BBC journalist Caroline Wyatt at a banquet at the Elysée Palace after she asked the Queen if she was enjoying her stay in Paris in 2006.

7. “It looks as though it was put in by an Indian.” The Prince’s verdict of a fuse box during a tour of a Scottish factory in August 1999. He later clarified his comment: “I meant to say cowboys. I just got my cowboys and Indians mixed up.”
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November 20, 2011 4:14pm
reid

All of those are hilarious Scott.

What’s the problem?
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November 20, 2011 4:35pm
reid

Sorry, I can’t find any good news.

http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/38298a56-11f1-11e1-a114-00144feabdc0.html#axzz1eDJfdr1R

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/284313/Contagion-Europe-on-the-brink-as-debt-crisis-spreads-to-Spain

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/8895163/Angela-Merkel-in-bold-unity-bid-to-save-the-euro.html
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November 20, 2011 4:49pm
Johnboy

Why the fuck would anyone want to replace the Monarchy with a pathetic, elected POS when the Brits can supply us with an endless number of bloody funny aristocrats like dear old Phil.

I’m looking forward to King Charles 111. He shows all the signs of being at least as eccentric as his old man! 🙂
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November 20, 2011 4:58pm
bereal

It’s a great pity that current events have knocked the murder of little JJ in Takitimu St. Orakei off the headlines.

Can anything be done to reduce the number of infants being murdered in New Zealand ?
Nothing done so far has had much effect has it?

We can keep wringing our hands and allocate more resources to CYPS etc but that hasn’t worked.

Or, we can try something different and hope for a different result.
Do you think it would make a difference if;

The MINIMUM sentence for murdering a child was 30 years. Regardless of any circumstances.

If you murdered the child of your de facto partner that was an aggravating circumstance. Additional 10 years.
No parole. You did the time.
This law change was advertised widely. TV, radio, etc, every beneficiary was informed of this law change verbally
by their case manager. Posters in all WINZ offices and every District Court in the country.

Then. Make an example of the next few murderers convicted.
Advertise the sentence they recieved just as widely. So that even the dumbest P addict and the solo mum
who thought he loved her got the message.

Think that might have more effect than what we are doing/have been doing till now ?
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November 20, 2011 5:03pm
Johnboy

Agreed beryl with the proviso: “All resident at the place of the murder were deemed to be guilty (despite their culture) until one of them coughed up who dunnit!”
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November 20, 2011 5:07pm
reid

Think that might have more effect than what we are doing/have been doing till now ?

No.

Greater punishment for those who do this kind of thing won’t prevent it.

The root cause is lack of education. No-one except real genuine psychopaths sets out in life to become one of these kinds of people. They are born just like you and I. They turn into creatures almost indistinguishable from psychopaths through events in their journey through life.

Things happen to these people that don’t happen to you and I. Things like a child being sold to an uncle for a few crates of beer. Stuff like that, happens. Not saying this creature is a victim.

At the end of the day no matter what has happened to you, nothing excuses you taking that out on an innocent other. Understood and acknowledged.

However preventing these things involves firstly having a society that is willing to say, these people must be subjected to laws which don’t apply to the rest of us. If we pass laws allowing all govt agencies to share data and identify these people and launch multi-prong strategies which over time stop this in its tracks, what’s to stop them deploying the same thing toward another identified “anomaly?”

This is why the problem never gets acted upon. Even when the solution is elementary to prevent in the real world at the flick of a switch, opening Pandora’s box is another matter entirely.

It could only be solved by having a wise master at the switch. I volunteer myself for first watch, and if the nation’s wealth disappears to the Seychelles, well that’s just life, isn’t it.
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November 20, 2011 5:14pm
Scott Chris

reid

No problem if he’s your funny uncle. Problem if he is effectively deputy head diplomat for the Commonwealth.
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November 20, 2011 5:31pm
Other_Andy

Scott Chris at 4:14 pm

Thanks for that, hilarious!
Number 7 is a classic.
At least the old codger is funny.
Like him better than the blithering idiot, his son Charlie.
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