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November 19, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 19 November 2011

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Nookin

You rely first of the clip. You create the impression that Brownlee thinks that it is all a joke and not worthy of serious attention. Having established (but only in your own mind) that precarious platform, you judge everything that has happened since by your own false benchmark. Every one of your comments shows that. Read your 2.35 comment.

Your last para in the 2.43 post contradicts what you were trying to say earlier. You are a sad joke.
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November 19, 2011 2:53pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

Having read in Ian Wishart’s Daylight Robbery (rereleased for the election; have ordered my copy) that the two US presidents who tried to change the US currency (the details of which escape me for now) were both assassinated, it seems that there are very powerful people who want to keep things are they are. I’m very interested in Ian’s book for the explanation as to how it all pertains to NZ, being a complete economic illiterate and all.
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November 19, 2011 2:54pm
Put it away

Tawainese Biting The Hand That Feeds, you should take being called as a troll as a backhanded compliment, someone’s suggesting you might not actually be as stupid as your arguments suggest, if you don’t actually believe them.
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November 19, 2011 2:54pm
wat dabney

“Bryce Edwards had pointed out this on his recent Herald article, where he said that Labour and National are basically believe in about 99% of how society is supposed to run.”

That’s exactly right. But there is one absolutely essential difference between them: Labour is owned and operated by militant state-sector unions as their vehicle for plundering the average worker. And National isn’t.
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November 19, 2011 3:05pm
Black with a Vengeance

Having established (but only in your own mind) that precarious platform, you judge everything that has happened since by your own false benchmark. Every one of your comments shows that.

Don’t be distracted nookin..this is the benchmark

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The monitoring of safety and gas as it relates to build up in mines falls under Brownlee’s brief of Minister for Economic Development and Energy and Resources, not Kate Wilkinsons at the Dept of Labour.

http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/StandardSummary____42576.aspx

The Ministry’s Energy Safety Operations team works with industry to promote and, where necessary, enforce high safety and quality standards in electricity and gas networks, installation systems and products.

Energy Safety achieves this by working with both the general public and industry to create an environment in which:

*people and property are safeguarded from the dangers of gas and electricity
*gas and electrical appliances, installations, electricity supply and generating systems are safe
*the quality and measurement of gas and electricity is maintained.

http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/StandardSummary____49.aspx

Brownlee failed in his capacity to execute his brief and competently over see his portfolio. He failed as catastrophically as the electrical and gas monitoring equipment in Pike river did !!!
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end result…29 men died a year ago because Brownlee along with Whittall and a host of others didn’t do their jobs properly.

For his part, Brownlee is as culpable of negligence resulting in death as any the reports will look to scapegoat.
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November 19, 2011 3:06pm
reid

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-10-most-powerful-people-in-new-york-real-estate-2011-5

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-incredible-life-of-russian-billionaire-playboy-mikhail-prokhorov-2011-5#prokhorov-was-recently-named-one-of-the-100-most-important-people-in-new-york-real-estate-16
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November 19, 2011 3:12pm
Put it away

Tawainese With A Dishonesty Problem, your links are broken.
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November 19, 2011 3:20pm
Viking2

Teapot affair too trivial for raids on media

5:30 AM Saturday Nov 19, 2011

The question from a BBC journalist to a Wellington-based reporter this week spoke volumes.
Was it true that one week before a general election, the police in New Zealand were about to search and seize material from the newsroom of the state radio service, at the behest of the Prime Minister?
When “yes” was the obvious reply, it was received with evident incredulity in London.

That the police have been called into the so-called “teapot tape” issue by the Prime Minister carries its own comment.
That they are now advising up to four news organisations that they seek information – and it is important to note here that it is not the actual tape recording or transcripts at this stage – should be resisted not only by the media but by all citizens who value a free media and its duty to the public.

Police inquiries, led by a detective inspector and a team that police will not quantify, are purportedly at a formative stage.

The unfortunate officers who have been handed this poisoned political teacup seem to want to gather any video that broadcasters have of the notorious “cuppa tea” meeting between John Key and Act’s John Banks a week ago to see what they can see.

Furthermore, they seek from Radio New Zealand any extended recording of an interview which it broadcast with the cameraman who left the microphone on a cafe table while the men talked.

There is no question that, as framed so far, the police inquiry is a fishing expedition to establish if there is anything that might help them understand just what the Prime Minister alleges was breaking the law. Such fishing expeditions are regularly decried by the courts and defenders of the public’s rights.

The Court of Appeal, in a notable case involving Television New Zealand in 1995, set out principles for the granting and execution of search warrants to be used on the news media. The first was that “a search warrant should not be used in trivial cases”. Given that the recording in this case arose during a media photo opportunity in a public cafe, and that it has neither been played nor published, this case surely remains in the realm of trivial allegations.

The Appeal Court also said “the material sought by police should have a direct and important place in the determination of the issues before the court”. As police now want video and sound from organisations which have never had the actual disputed recording, this principle cannot be validly met.

Many in the public have chosen to give Mr Key the benefit of the doubt, taking a view negative towards the media and endorsing a popular politician’s criticism of the recording.
Yet the prospect of newsrooms being searched for standard news coverage is surely not tolerable for an affair which the same public views as minor, and which centres on a discussion Mr Key terms “bland”.

The cameraman, Bradley Ambrose, has now sought High Court intervention to make a statutory declaration that the cafe venue and conversation were not, and could not have been, private. Should he succeed in a hearing likely to be next week, the police inquiry will be redundant as no law could have been broken.

Police should hang up the fishing rod and spare themselves the reputational damage Mr Key has invited this week.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&objectid=10767137

Key and Co on a hiding for nothing I sugest.
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November 19, 2011 3:27pm
Nookin

PIA
“your links are broken.”
You mean the cerebral links?
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November 19, 2011 3:35pm
Put it away

Nookin, definitely. Just by looking at parts he quotes it seems certain these docs are about the electricity and gas distribution system and appliances that use it, not “gas” wafting out of a coal seam, or anywhere else. Is it Gerry’s problem if I fart in a lift?
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November 19, 2011 3:38pm
Nookin

“public cafe”

What is a public cafe? Is it owned by the public or is it one that is privately owned and to which the public may enter with the arbitrarily revocable permission of the owner?
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November 19, 2011 3:38pm
Viking2

John Key and John Banks will be wishing they had taken C.S. Lewis’ advice that “tea should be taken in solitude”, as “cuppagate” heads to court.

But the Crimes Act is clear that a communication will not be private if it occurs in “circumstances in which any party ought reasonably to expect that the communication may be intercepted …”.

In the lead-up to the election, what journalist would not want to know what was said? The conversation also took place in a public cafe, was filmed and the communication was arguably intercepted at this point, even without the audio. Cue the lip-readers.

Even if the conversation was a private communication, Mr Ambrose would only be criminally liable if he intercepted it intentionally.

Appealing to the tort of invasion of privacy is going to be difficult for Mr Key and Mr Banks given the public interest in disclosure.

For the reasons given above, it is questionable whether a reasonable expectation of privacy exists in this scenario or whether its publication would be considered highly offensive.

In this case, the political context in which the conversation was held is likely to be especially relevant.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/election-2011/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503012&objectid=10767126
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November 19, 2011 3:39pm
reid

it seems that there are very powerful people who want to keep things are they are

Lucia this is true. Kennedy’s Executive Order 11110 got him killed. The fact he also said a few days previous he’d draw down forces in Vietnam and scatter the CIA to the four winds didn’t help either.

As Ron Paul says, the elite bankers benefit from this system and these people cross national boundaries and the same people who own the banking system in the states also owns the systems in Europe including in the UK. Unfortunately this not a conspiracy theory it’s a simple fact. Why for example is the bank of Rothschild still allowed today to set the daily gold price on the London bullion exchange? How come that’s not done by an independent panel of economic experts? For example. The reason why the media never mention it is because these people own the media. For example the Rothchilds have owned Reuters for over 150 years and they also own AP. There are others other than just the Rothchilds of course but people who think it’s only a “theory” usually don’t even know these simple facts let alone some of the more complicated ones.

Thanks for the heads up re: Ian’s book, I too look forward to reading it.
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November 19, 2011 3:41pm
wat dabney

“Why for example is the bank of Rothschild still allowed today to set the daily gold price on the London bullion exchange?”

Er, it isn’t.

“How come that’s not done by an independent panel of economic experts? For example.”

Could we also use your panel of experts set the price of broccoli? For example.
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November 19, 2011 3:47pm
bereal

Scott Chris @ 1.24
Now now petal, settle down, we don’t want you to do yourself a mischief.

Why do you feel you always need to call other people names ?

“you troll, you brainless fuck etc etc” a bit childish don’t you think.

If you are not totally full of it, try and explain how the gobblegook garbage you posted @ 10.32
linking to the term, ‘Social contract’ (a political term) advances your position that we are
all responsible for murdering children.

Simple question.
i doubt you can answer though because noone with half a brain who bothered
to try and read that crap could follow your non argument.

See if you can spell it out for those who are less endowed intellectually than you dream you are.
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November 19, 2011 3:48pm
Put it away

Scott Chris and bereal having an intellectual showdown? I’m picking a nil-all draw.
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November 19, 2011 4:45pm
Lindsay Addie

New Roy Morgan poll out at: http://www.roymorgan.com/

Nats on 53% whilst the Labour worm is going towards terra firma real quick.
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November 19, 2011 4:48pm
bereal

Put it away
Great comment. It did make me laugh. Well done.
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November 19, 2011 5:14pm
Nookin

Whale has a story that seems about to break. When it does, it seems there may be shite all over the Greens.
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November 19, 2011 5:22pm
Scott Chris

Put it away says:- “I’m picking a nil-all draw.”

Ha. Another asshole enters the fray. Got you marked.
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November 19, 2011 5:37pm
Johnboy

The A*****e word is banned in Pakistan Scotty.

Show some respect for other peoples cultures please.
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November 19, 2011 5:40pm
labours a joke

Good day people. Im new here so be gentle.
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November 19, 2011 5:40pm
Put it away

327, 322 887 372.
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November 19, 2011 5:41pm
reid

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/entire-system-has-been-utterly-destroyed-mf-global-collapse-presenting-first-mf-global-casualty

+ Background on Italian and Greek leaders

http://insiderfreepress.com/tag/pm
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November 19, 2011 5:53pm
nasska

labours a joke

Welcome to the shark tank.
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November 19, 2011 6:01pm
labours a joke

Latest RM poll puts labour around 24%. Ouch.
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November 19, 2011 6:17pm
thedavincimode

Weally weally senstive: CHECK
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November 19, 2011 6:19pm
reid

If AGW is real and Gweenland is melting, how come the sea level keeps falling?

http://www.real-science.com/sea-level-continues-plummet

Oh dear. Perhaps peak oil isn’t going to happen by 2012 either. Perhaps the Gweens will weconsider their discwiminatowy position on the nation’s innocent road network and vehicle fleet and cease its incessant and brutal attacks on our poor, innocent and down-twodden brmbrms. Those big meanies!

But given the Gweens wecord on doing the wational thing, I’m not sure this news they are completely wrong about everything, once again, will have any effect on their fanatical inner rage.
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November 19, 2011 6:20pm
thedavincimode

Put it away

Is that the code to Winston’s numbered Swiss bank account?
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November 19, 2011 6:24pm
labours a joke

Thanks Nasska.
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November 19, 2011 6:26pm
reid

Total US debt has increased by 41.5%, or $4.4 trillion, from $10,626,877,048,913 on January 20, to $15,033,607,255,920, under Obama as president.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/its-official-total-us-debt-passes-15-trillion

And this is the dawn of the baby boom retirement pension fund draw down, a time where all those years of contribution need to be paid back, a hugely expensive time for every nation especially the USA.

And it looks like Obama has given the go signal to Israel for a strike on Iran.

And the Eurozone gets worse and won’t change till Germany drops her obduracy of which there is no sign and every day she leaves it the more difficult it becomes to make the plan. The more reluctant the ECB appears when it finally makes its stand, the less investors regain confidence in the Euro for the ECB then appears phoney, and the whole point of the excercise is to restore confidence, not destroy it.

Meanwhile the Chinese property market is showing signs of severe stress and Chinese provinces have internal debt loadings totaling trillions.

Something tells me this may not end very well.
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November 19, 2011 6:34pm
reid

Is Obama gay?

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/why-is-obamas-body-man-reggie-love-leaving/

If not one assumes he’ll be sueing for defamation over this and Wayne Madsen for the Man’s Country Club story, won’t he.
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November 19, 2011 6:43pm
bereal

Scott Chris. i see uou now call, Put it away, an asshole.

FYI ‘asshole’ is US vernacular (as in the definition of ‘ crapweasel ‘ a label others have put on you )
In NZ they are called arseholes.

It’s great fun to analyse people on blogs as they reveal themselves through their comments.
Others have commented on your, ‘unfortunate personality’
i have already deduced that you were an only child. (probably with a weak father who was an accountant)
Now i can surmise that you are shorter than 5ft 6in.
Not sure yet if you are bald but no doubt you will reveal that in the fullness of time.

i know that you assume responsibility for punching little JJ hard enough to split his internal
organs and kill him.

Just don’t try and share your sick guilt with me.
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November 19, 2011 6:47pm
Viking2

Hey bereal, it’s all our fault ya know. Scott says so.
I was thinking of some name to call him but most of the idea’s I had were for useful things. 😆
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November 19, 2011 6:54pm
Viking2

Describing itself as a ”society of scholars”, the Haredi community is one of the fastest growing in Israel. A November 2010 report by Haifa University demographers, Arnon Soffer and Evgenia Bystrov, estimates 30 per cent of all Jewish newborns in Israel are Haredi, while government statistics predict that by 2025 the Haredim will have jumped from 9 per cent of the population to 15 per cent.

Not content with segregated streets, queues and buses, extremist members of the Haredi have turned their attention to the city of Bet Shemesh, 30 kilometres to the west of Jerusalem.

Here, Jewish girls as young as six, wearing a conservative uniform of skirts below the knee and shirts to the elbow, are being targeted by the Haredi, called ”pritzas” (prostitutes) for being ”immodestly dressed” as they walk into Orot girls school, a state-funded religious-nationalist school. The Haredi are demanding the girls cover up.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/when-women-and-girls-are-the-enemy-20111118-1nn4d.html#ixzz1e7ybJp72
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November 19, 2011 6:56pm
Viking2

SPAIN is expected to throw out its socialist government in national elections tomorrow making it the last of the five European crisis-cases to oust an administration that has presided over a spiral into economic disaster.

Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/world/next-up-spains-socialists-to-pay-price-for-debt-crisis-20111118-1nnen.html#ixzz1e81EMlep
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November 19, 2011 7:01pm
reid

This is just one of the issues, not even one of the main issues, about an Iran attack: the shut down of the oil pipeline.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/nov/14/attack-on-iran-could-risk-gulf-oil-supplies/

Now this assumes the US battle-fleet is not taken out but as I’ve said for years and many times, Iran has Russian Sunburn missiles which are capable of taking out an aircraft carrier and cannot be stopped due to high speed terminal maneuvering capability which defeats CIWS defence. These can be launched at a carrier by a brief bloom from a fighter stooging around in the Zagros mountains.

Imagine a carrier being taken out and what that would do to the 3-4 month worse-case estimate in that article.
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November 19, 2011 7:01pm
Viking2

http://media.brisbanetimes.com.au/news/world-news/raw-vision-japans-coast-eerie-eight-months-on-2783924.html
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November 19, 2011 7:06pm
Viking2

Warning for those considering Trademe shares.

Forget fine print, can Fairfax Media survive?

by: Mark Day
From: The Australian
November 19, 2011 12:00AM

PRESIDING over a company witnessing the sharpest declines in newspaper circulation in the country, Fairfax Media chief executive Greg Hywood has a surprising and implausible response when asked about the future of newspapers.

“You have asked the wrong question,” he says.
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November 19, 2011 7:12pm
Other_Andy

@reid

Don’t forget the situation in Egypt.
They only have two months’ import coverage for a country that imports half its caloric consumption and heavily subsidise all food.

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/11/04/egypts-foreign-reserves-even-lower-than-you-think/#axzz1e8321oF2

The military will have to find a foreign enemy to divert the crisis.
No points for guessing who they will blame.
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November 19, 2011 7:19pm
Other_Andy

Faster-than-light finding ‘still holds’

The chances have risen that Einstein was wrong about a fundamental law of the universe.

Scientists at the world’s biggest physics lab said on Friday they have ruled out one possible error that could have distorted their startling measurements that appeared to show particles travelling faster than light.
Many physicists reacted with scepticism in September when measurements by French and Italian researchers seemed to show subatomic neutrino particles breaking what Nobel Prize-winning physicist Albert Einstein considered the ultimate speed barrier.
The European Organisation for Nuclear Research said more precise testing has now confirmed the accuracy of at least one part of the experiment.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/11830222/faster-than-light-finding-still-holds/
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November 19, 2011 7:23pm
bereal

Hey, Scott Chris,

Gotta go now now but as you constantly monitor this thread and are reading this…
Do try and back up your puke post @ 10.32 where you try to link me and all other New Zealanders
in as responsible for the killing of little JJ.

i’ll check tomorrow petal and see if you can make more sense than to refer to a ‘social contract’

Try and see that with your attitude, ‘we are all responsible,’ this disgrace will continue.
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November 19, 2011 7:26pm
Steve

labours a joke (3) Says:
Good day people. Im new here so be gentle.

Hello Mr Goff, about time you made yourself known.
Let’s get straight into the Policy bit
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November 19, 2011 7:26pm
reid

O_A, w-o-w.

W. O. W.
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November 19, 2011 7:26pm
reid

Goldman Sachs connections in European politics:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpNlnpn0Jvk&feature=player_embedded
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November 19, 2011 7:39pm
Steve

labours a joke,

So you are not Mr Phil Goff? sorry about that chief
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November 19, 2011 7:47pm
nasska

reid

I’ve been reading your first 5.53 link. I am moving slowly towards accepting the concept of a financial meltdown. Would you hazard a personal guess as to a time frame?
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November 19, 2011 7:48pm
RF

Phil Goff reminds me of a rebel captured by the British Army in India who tied rebels across the front of canon barrels and blasted them into enternity. Goff would be praying for a miss fire.
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November 19, 2011 7:56pm
nasska

A cowboy rode into town and stopped at a saloon for a drink. Unfortunately, the saloon’s regulars had a habit of picking on strangers. When the cowboy finished his drink he went out to his horse. Not to his surprise his horse wasn’t there. He went back in, handily flipped his gun in the air, caught it, and shouted loudly, “All right, I’m gonna get another drink, and by the time I go back out, I want my horse to be there or I’m gonna be forced to do what I did in Texas!” The cowboy, true to his word, had a beer and walked outside to find that his horse was there. The bartender walked out with him and said tenativley, “Say, partner. Before you go, can I ask what happened in Texas?” The cowboy turned and said, “I had to walk home.”
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November 19, 2011 8:01pm
Scott Chris

Funny how affronted a mudslinger feels when you throw it right back. If the usual suspects wanna play rough, then I’m up for it. It’s kinda fun to be a schoolkid again.

Shame though, because every time they provoke a flame war, they derail the thread. It’s simply trolling.

And yet they do it over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
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November 19, 2011 8:05pm
reid

Would you hazard a personal guess as to a time frame?

nasska it’s a moving target on multiple fronts.

I don’t think it will be a single event. I think it will become a slow-mo train wreck. I don’t think it will start with the immediate European situation – they will find a viable way to stabilise confidence – it’s the model for world govt, they might let the Euro fail but they won’t let the EU fall apart. One mooted suggestion is they will amalgamate all national balance sheets. National control over budgets and taxation disappears to Brussells. One imagines things have to become somewhat worse before nations hand over their sovereignty like that but that’s one suggestion about Europe.

The great game in this GFC will play out between the US and China-Russia. Depending how these nations come out of this depends on who controls this next half-century. One plan I’ve heard is for the US to ditch the USD and issue a new, gold backed currency, if the Sino-Russian campaign to ditch it as the reserve gains enough global support.

So it’s hard to say, time-wise. My greatest fear for us is if China’s internal debt loadings and marked reduction in foreign currency earnings interfere with our mutual trade. She is our EU-US combined as those two were to us between the 40’s-80’s. She is that to us in the future and I think she will always have enough people rich enough to take everything we can send her no matter what happens globally. It’s just we have to become a household name to all her billion plus people, like Vegemite and just as beloved and institutionalised.

Can we do that? Let’s hope so.
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November 19, 2011 8:16pm
Viking2

don’t like what others say Scott go somewhere elese. It ain’t your blog and yopu are welcome to start your owmn. Wel will all visit and comment on it if you do.

Promise.

Now pull your sanctimonous head out of your arse and be nice to people and realise that really you know stuff all and maybe you have noticed most don’t think a great deal of your opinions.

P.S. be a good Head Prefect and don’t run off to the Headmaster because you can’t play with the grown ups.
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November 19, 2011 8:16pm
nasska

reid

Thanks…I’ll try to weigh this up against what unfolds. Obviously you are not looking for a sudden collapse such as heralded the Great Depression.

I agree that as a nation we can be cautiously hopeful that our heavy reliance on primary produce as our source of export income may be our saving grace.
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November 19, 2011 8:30pm
Viking2

reid:
Think your analysis is good. Also think though that India and Indonesia and the Philipines will play a big part in our survival.
Philipino’s are the biggest group emigrating to NZ and Indians are not far behind. They are business orientated, and in the case of Philipino’s many are well educated and speak english. Many are Christian and they are moving because of the Muslin influence in that area.

India is also changing and wealthy. Reading today that it is intended to split their biggest state into 4 smaller states becuase one is too big to manage and it is hoped this will speed up their development and growth whilst appealing to the factions that exist. Intersting event.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/giant-indian-state-of-200m-people-might-be-sliced-into-four-20111118-1nnd8.html

China is still very authoritarian and as education and wealth increases that will lead to many more tensions so the future there is full of tensions as well and at some point in time it too will be like the Soviets before and now the Indians and have to recognise its ethnics and their territories. The built up tensions in their finances may well be the catalist that begins that change. So many have been over ridden and disposessed.

The Berlin Wall was never going to survive when technology got into gear and the same applies to other countries.
Its is a wonderment that the Jews and Muslims are becoming more and mopre fundamentalist. Now there is a problem.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/when-women-and-girls-are-the-enemy-20111118-1nn4d.html
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November 19, 2011 8:33pm
reid

Obviously you are not looking for a sudden collapse such as heralded the Great Depression.

The slo-mo train wreck may well be heralded by such nasska. Fundamental issue is: this is systemic in the way our money supply works.

Watch the Ron Paul interview from my 12:37 at 27:30 where he explains why.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3SOlXxUBLk&feature=related

China is still very authoritarian

This is my greatest concern over our upcoming geopolitical reality V2. I’m not really sure how we can or should respond to that. It’s appalling the way they treat for example the Falung Gong. Responding properly to that is beyond my knowledge and wisdom, I just hope the people in MFAT have a better idea than I do.

Also agree the other countries in the BRIC are potent upcoming forces.
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November 19, 2011 8:57pm
Scott Chris

Viking

The problem with idiots like you is you don’t like what I have to say, but you are too dumb to articulate your objections to it, so you throw stones instead.

Well, keep on throwing if you want to continue to be a dickhead, cause I ain’t goin’ anywhere.

edit: as for those who don’t like me, that’s fine, cause they’re all the assholes.
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November 19, 2011 8:57pm
Steve

Go Scotty, see Doctor for repeating words. I think you can claim a benifit for repeating words when you have no more words to say.
Stuttering a bit son?
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November 19, 2011 9:13pm
Viking2

Ha, Scotty actually could not give a flying fuck about what you have to say. Most of it is mindless uneducated dribble.

edit: as for those who don’t like me, that’s fine, cause they’re all the assholes.

People in glass houses should learn not to throw stones, It tends to break their own windows.

Oh and I’m a rich idiot which is what you will never be.
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November 19, 2011 9:44pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.seafoodconference.co.nz/co-speakers

“2011 Conference Speaker Profiles

John Key, Prime Minister of New Zealand
Opening Address

Prime Minister John Key graduated with a Bachelor of Commerce from Canterbury University. He launched his investment banking career in New Zealand in the mid-1980s, and went on to work in Singapore, London, and Sydney for Merrill Lynch, becoming head of global foreign exchange and European bond and derivative trading. In 1999 Mr Key was invited to join the Foreign Exchange Committee of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In 2001, Mr Key returned to New Zealand. He was elected MP for Helensville in 2002, becoming National Party Leader in November 2006, and then Prime Minister following the 2008 General Election.”

Missed this did you folks?

So – how much is John Key personally responsible for the global financial crisis caused by the collapse of the derivatives market – which he helped start?

Fair question isn’t it?

I’ve asked the PM – but he hasn’t yet replied.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
Independent Candidate for Epsom
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November 19, 2011 11:23pm
Lazybum

He did not contribute much at all. The GFC happened 8-10 years after he left. A lot of things changed over those 8 years.
Penny, how responsible is Goff in making NZ poorer by selling assets in the 1980s?
What next Penny, John Key ate a baby?
Go off to The Standard and have a wankfest with your commie mates. They need cheering up after Roy Morgan made their day.
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November 20, 2011 12:14am
Nookin

Well look who was out howling at the moon toward midnight.
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November 20, 2011 7:13am
Manolo

Personality cult in the US, and a nice way to collect re-election funds: http://michellemalkin.com/2011/11/19/locked-out-nba-players-to-participate-in-first-annual-obama-classic/
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November 20, 2011 7:38am
Put it away

Water loon, I’ve been googling articles about the history of derivatives by credible sources, and I haven’t managed to find a single one that thinks John Key worth mentioning. Can you point me to any article ( not written post-crisis by a left wing loon with the intention of slandering Key) that gives him credit for creating the derivatives industry?
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November 20, 2011 7:58am
Put it away

Oh dear, anyone seen the Tanned Taianese With A Sense Of Entitlement lately? Disappeared rather abruptly after I called him out for what he said about Brownlee. I’m sure he’ll pop up ANY MINUTE NOW with a credible explanation of why he wasn’t being a dishonest slandering sack of shit…
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