General Debate 17 November 2011

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Yvette

Mr Peters said while he knew what was said between the pair, he refused to detail the comments made – but said the contents of the tape would leave many people reeling.
He said the tapes recorded Mr Key making derogatory remarks about a handful of groups and people, including the leader of the Act Party Don Brash.
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Labour party leader Phil Goff has called the incident a ‘farce’ and a media stunt where photographers and journalists had their faces pressed up against the glass.
Mr Goff said he hadn’t heard the tape, and didn’t know what was on it.

So someone tells Peters what was on the tape or gives him a copy, and didn’t apparently decide to do the same for Goff – interesting comparison.
But who needs it’s ‘oxygen’, who in return would sell papers?
Perhaps Peters, so insistent that Key tell what is on the tape, could first tell us who gave him a copy, and we can decide why.
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November 17, 2011 8:02am
Murray

Lets kick the day off with a musical interlude shall we… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vyj1C8ogtE
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November 17, 2011 8:06am
laworder

Western Australia are working on a new initiative – a public online sex-offender database. What the WA Government will do is take the most serious sex offenders on the national register and make their details public. Further details here;

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/western-australia/law-to-list-sex-deviants-online/story-e6frg143-1226186608113

High time something similar was implemented here. The Government already has the data, all we need is an interface to the web with appropriate filtering etc

Regards
Peter J
Webmaster for http://www.sensiblesentencing.org.nz
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November 17, 2011 8:08am
Scott Chris

ACT close to extinction according to minipoll:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5981482/ACT-polls-at-wipeout-low-in-Epsom

A Fairfax Media-Research Media International mini-poll of 200 eligible Epsom voters showed National’s Paul Goldsmith easily winning the seat on 45.5 per cent.

ACT candidate John Banks trailed on 29.1 per cent, while Labour’s David Parker had 14.6 per cent. The snap poll, taken on Tuesday, showed last Friday’s meeting with National leader John Key shifted support away from Mr Banks.
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November 17, 2011 8:08am
vibenna

The executive arm of Italian government is now totally unelected. Monti has appointed a bunch of people who have no electoral mandate, who have limited experience of working with ministries, and no experience of mobilising political support in Parliament. This will end very badly, very soon. And then what?

What is more important, democracy or Europe? Democracy or banking?
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November 17, 2011 8:08am
Lance

The NZ Herald has degenerated into a complete joke.
90% of front page headlines are crap, indeed I pretty only start reading the paper from page 2 onward.
Todays shock horror headline was that JOHN KEY BREAKS THE LAW…. he signed a $10 note.

Hacks
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November 17, 2011 8:10am
Lance

@Scot
200 voters is a poll?

Yeah right
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November 17, 2011 8:12am
Pete George

National circus versus good old fashioned election meetings going strong in Dunedin.
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November 17, 2011 8:13am
sbk

Lance,pathetic is one word i would use to describe the NZ Herald(and journalists in general),biased is another…shit,John Key gets my nod just for walking out on the scum.
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November 17, 2011 8:14am
Elaycee

Great lyrics, Murray. 😀
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November 17, 2011 8:14am
smttc

Good on John key for not giving into a MSM looking for wank fodder. Bunch of useless hacks preferring to make the news rather than report it. If Key is doing it by design then that goes double. Give the bastards nothing and when eventually TV3 or Granny lose patience and release the tape, watch the derision directed at these useless timewasters.
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November 17, 2011 8:17am
Murray

Yes Elaycee, it has a message I think most of us can relate to.
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November 17, 2011 8:19am
flipper

Yep…..Michael Horton, Peter Scherer, Gavan Ellis – they must REALLY look forward to Granny and the dumb tabloid every day. Ellis may not have had the class or news-sense of Hintz, Hardingham, Chappel or Scherer, but he is iconic when compared to the current idiots.
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November 17, 2011 8:21am
Other_Andy

Even Stuff looks like a tabloid…
Six Headlines.
Here are four of the six
1. Bradley Cooper sexiest man
2. Henry’s words for Zac
3. Williams slams Tiger’s infidelity
4. Charged Ex-AB was out celebrating
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November 17, 2011 8:21am
Jack5

The teapot affair reveals Radio NZ’s Labour Radio in its full red suit.

Labour Radio has been shamelessly one sided as it puts the boot into National and ACT, from Ryan on her morning show interrupting and trying to dominate the media commentary on Tuesday to this morning’s one-sided, biased interview with Don Brash. Wait for the Sunday morning droning on NZ media to continue the attack.

State radio is acting in its own perceived self-interest (“Labour and the Left will look after us”) while the world teeters on the edge of the economic abyss. No way is Germany going to bail out Southern Europe, and then we face the possibility of a second 1930s-scale Depression.

Any reason for a state radio within NZ ended 50 years ago as the technology cost plunged. And who round the world now listens to shortwave foreign broadcasts – especially from NZ? There is no need for state radio.

Axing Labour Radio should become a priority for the NZ centre-right.

In its stand, Labour Radio backs the “Hooer-ald” and TV3, of course. The “Hooer-ald” is rudderless as its Irish owner fails to find a buyer. Like a ship owner trying to quit an old vessel, the Irish are stuck with this old news rust bucket. Meanwhile the liberal-lefty crew sing the Red Flag and extend the stop in Havana because they know the Irish owners no longer give a stuff. As for TV3… this is the leftist channel which barely survives financially while ignoring the empty market for a centre-right or right channel. Dumb nuts!

An aside: did the Banks folk whose pamphlet drop nuked the Banks bid for the Auckland mayoralty have anything to do with arranging the Banks-Key morning tea meeting?
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November 17, 2011 8:22am
Elaycee

@Murray – I think this one by Jimmy Buffet has good lyrics too…. 😛

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i6OrOZwtmA
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November 17, 2011 8:24am
Scott Chris

Yes Lance, with a 7% error margin it is merely indicative.

Personally I’d like to see ACT have a big clear out and reinvent themselves as moderate secular libertarians. There appears to be a niche vacant in the political spectrum for such a party.

So this is a blessing in disguise IMO
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November 17, 2011 8:25am
Inventory2

Interesting that the biggest beneficiary of the Storm in a Teacup yesterday seems to be the Green Party, whose connection to vandalism seems to have been forgotten

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/11/dont-forget-greens.html
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November 17, 2011 8:26am
Manolo

PG, how is the party of the masses (UnitedFuture) polling at national level?

The only hope for your party is for the whorish Dunne to win Ohariu-Belmont and to remain as its only MP. Otherwise, it’s curtains for the non-descript entity that gave us the useless Families Commission.
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November 17, 2011 8:28am
Scott Chris

Good News For Women:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5981502/First-woman-awarded-science-honour/

About time… in more ways than one.
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November 17, 2011 8:37am
East Wellington Superhero

Another day in paradise team! Don’t let the haters get you down.
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November 17, 2011 8:38am
flipper

Jack5…
Your dumb nuts comment is spot on.
Rupert Murdoch’s FOX is burying all the old “free to air” and other cable networks. But like NZ, the US’s MSM supports the “progressive” Obama administration.
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November 17, 2011 8:40am
graham

The more Mana Party members open their mouths, the more it convinces me (not that I needed it) that these people are not fit for Government.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/campaign-trail/5972663/Greens-accused-of-selling-out-over-billboard-stoush

‘(Sue) Bradford … disputed the action was vandalism … The Greens she was a part of from 1999 to 2009 would have been delighted its members were involved in such an action. “This leadership of the Green Party is happily dobbing in its members to the authorities and the media and condemning their own people. It goes against the whole principle of solidarity and of not dobbing in your mates which is very strong in radical activist groups but also in the New Zealand culture.”‘

The Mana Party is largely composed of people who have been arrested multiple times and wear it as a badge of honour, and who basically admit that they have no respect for the law. If they feel it’s justified, then that’s all the excuse they need to break the law. Hone is the worst in this regard.

And we’re supposed to elect these people to Parliament, where they will be responsible for making laws? Which WE are supposed to respect? Give me a break …

Honestly, how could you take any law enacted by these people seriously, when they don’t take the law seriously? (Except when it suits them).
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November 17, 2011 8:43am
Manolo

More crony capitalism: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/11/16/solyndra-case-reveals-gateway-between-administration-loans-obama-allies/
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November 17, 2011 8:55am
Ender

@vibenna — I think the people now in place in Italy are the country’s best hope for not falling off the financial cliff. The fact that they are unelected and (kind of) non-partisan is their main advantage. As long as the parliament isn’t afraid to back extreme measures they might even make it out the other side.
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November 17, 2011 8:56am
Lazybum

9 days until Phil is our leader. I have a colleague who has just resigned in WA. I may apply for her position.
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November 17, 2011 9:02am
dime

So the heral headline : PM’s $10 signature puts him on wrong side of the law

WHAT the fuck?? is that worse than signing someone elses painting? 😛

This is the line that gets me:

“Already under pressure because of the “teapot tape”, John Key may have added to his legal woes with a signature.”

umm John Key has legal woes? really?

“Yesterday, the grinning Prime Minister walked in Phil Goff and Helen Clark’s shoes and autographed a banknote – technically breaking the law”

I love how they add the grinning bit. I suspect the herald no likey mr key now. at least they balance it up a bit.

What hacks the herald are.
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November 17, 2011 9:07am
Black with a Vengeance

Another day in paradise team! Don’t let the haters get you down.

I won’t.

So who wants to talk about Labours excellent youth unemployment policy or shall we just rinse out the teapot again and have another cuppa with more John Key love biscuits ?

Young people leaving school face limited opportunities on the pathway to employment. Labour’s policy provides young people with options for further training so they have the skills and qualifications that employers are looking for. It also helps create real jobs for young people that will allow them to develop their skills and earn their way to a brighter future.

Kick Start Apprenticeships for Youth on Unemployment Benefit

Labour will:

Provide $87m for getting 9,000 unemployed young New Zealanders3 off the unemployment benefit and into apprenticeships with a $8,727 (the equivalent of the dole payment) subsidy to employers willing to offer a permanent full-time job.

The subsidy will be $8,727 – the same amount as the unemployment benefit – payable to the employer. In return it is expected the employer show a commitment to the young person.

The employer must provide the young person with a permanent full-time job, salary, and provide training and mentoring for the young person to achieve a recognised industry qualification of at least Level Two on the New Zealand Qualifications Framework (NZQF).

http://www.ownourfuture.co.nz/media/files/Youth-Skills-Policy.pdf
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November 17, 2011 9:08am
3-coil

WTF are you rabbiting on about BWAV?

Labour’s only policy is: the release of illegal recordings of the PM’s private conversations. It’s all the idiots have out in the media, so it must be the only thing they are campaigning on.
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November 17, 2011 9:15am
Rick Rowling

BWAV

+1 for talking policy.

If only our sad excuse for an MSM could.
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November 17, 2011 9:19am
dime

BWAV – doesnt look too bad on the surface?! paying employers to create jobs seems a cumbersome way of doing it.

i dont know enough about the subject – what else is stopping employers from taking on 9000 apprentices? is it just money? or is there a shit load of red tape and other stuff stopping them?

take out the minimum wage increase they are promising, what is the net benefit to employers? the min wage increase probably drops the net benefit by a couple of grand?

where did the 9000 come from?
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November 17, 2011 9:20am
trout

Ed Hillary signed many, many $5 notes (I have one) – where was the Herald then?
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November 17, 2011 9:23am
RF

WTF is going on. We had green party members running around damaging 700 National Party signs that is in my book a criminal act yet the media ignores this and chooses to concentrate on the recording of a private conversation.

The media are really showing their colours now.

Aussie looks better every day…
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November 17, 2011 9:25am
Put it away

Seriously, scott chris, a poll of 200? You sure it’s not your brain cells that are close to extinction?
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November 17, 2011 9:27am
Black with a Vengeance

WTF are you rabbiting on about BWAV?

oh you know…

jobs, the economy, youth unemployment, skills training, employer subsidies, investing in people, growing businesses, policies.
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November 17, 2011 9:30am
Chris2

It’s interesting the media and opposition politicians are screeching for Key to release a transcript of the illegally recorded conversation.

If they all feel so strongly about it, and given they have the recording, and transcripts of the recording, why don’t they have the balls to further break the law, publish the conversation, and face up to the consequences of their actions?

This shows just how gutless the media and opposition politicians are.
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November 17, 2011 9:31am
tom hunter

Take five minutes of your time to step away from politics and global financial disasters and spend it instead drifting around the earth.

The video is of a series of time-lapse photography sessions taken from the International Space Station using a Japanese HD, low-light camera. It’s trippy – and if you hate the techno soundtrack pick your own and play it in the background. There’s a brief section below the video that identifies the part of Earth being overflown in each segment.

I’d be interested to know what the strange red-orange ribbon is in one of the last segments (14 I think, somewhere in the Middle East). Chicago was fairly easy to pick out in the US sections because of Lake Michigan.
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November 17, 2011 9:33am
Martin Gibson

Let’s see:

Media (ultimately owned by banks) dulling people’s interest in real issues with tabloid style titilation . . .
. . . and celebrating the replacement of cartoonishly incompetent democratically elected corrupt billionaire prime minister . . .
. . . with a technocrat who once worked for Goldman Sachs . . .
. . . who are a “giant vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money” . . .
. . . while back in New Zealand the traditional “useful idiot” cheerleaders for communism attack the middle class at the other end, framing them as rich.

All this stuff is not put together to foil intelligent examination folks.
It is just a facade that allows moral cowards to feel okay about framing cynacism as a valid response to the completion of a plan that is going to get progressively less and less pleasant to live with.
I guess in many ways I’m with George Carlin too; it is a whole lot more fun to watch it all go down as a spectator rather than as a participant.
My nod to the cenotaph is what Pete George and I are doing in Dunedin and the East Coast respectively.
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November 17, 2011 9:34am
3-coil

BWAV (9:30am) – you sound like you want to discuss the same things as John Key!

It’s a pity for the lefties that Goofy is flip-flopping around dribbling on about making illegal tape-recordings public, instead of discussing policies – what a sad loser.

Edit: Goff was happy to try to cover up Darren Hughes sexual escapades with the teenage boy – why was he so shy about the “public must know everything” then?
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November 17, 2011 9:37am
Scott Chris

Put it away says:- “Seriously, scott chris, a poll of 200? You sure it’s not your brain cells that are close to extinction?”

Why do think I said “according to minipoll” and included the sample size in the summary?

As I said to Lance, it is merely indicative with an error margin of 7%.

Duh.
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November 17, 2011 9:41am
Black with a Vengeance

take out the minimum wage increase they are promising, what is the net benefit to employers?

a wage top up and the feelgood factor of investing in youth. Employers would still have to kick in with some dosh to make it a liveable wage. It’s a subsidy not a handout, a public private partnership and social contract in one.

Don’t know where the 9000 came from, maybe that’s the long term unemployed youth or just what they’ve initially costed for.

It may be cumbersome to enact but worth the effort i reckon. It beats the other option National are putting forward hands down. Policing unemployed youth and threatening to cut their benefits to go ghost job hunting.

It’s hard enough as it is being a frontline case manager at WINZ without playing truant officer, private investigator and punishment detail overseer.
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November 17, 2011 9:50am
Inventory2

Money quote from Michael Laws this morning:

What we are watching is media masturbation
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November 17, 2011 9:53am
backster

Even the ZB news at 9am led with Winston Peter’s old bagman and an ex Alliance Party Official warning Epsom voters not to vote for the Act Candidate or the electorate would be a laughing stock. Who should give a toss about the opinions of failed rejects from the far left.
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November 17, 2011 9:54am
Scott Chris

tom hunter says:- “It’s trippy – and if you hate the techno soundtrack pick your own and play it in the background.”

Yeah, I saw it a couple of days ago. Muted it and had Johann Strauss II’s waltz, made widely popular in Stanley Kubrick’s ‘Space Odyssey’ on instead. Considered using the start of ‘Shine on you crazy diamond’

‘Trippy’ is the right word to describe it. Experimental youth tom?
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November 17, 2011 10:00am
dime

What is the obstacles facing employers who want to put on apprentices?

is it just money?

i thought national had some apprentice scheme in place… anyone an expert in this field? dimes a bit too busy to research 😛
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November 17, 2011 10:04am
dime

backster – i LOL’d listening to ZB this morning. Ya hear the headline.. then after the ad break you find out its a comment from ron mark HAHAH

then he trots out “once you get past all of the other stuff, hone has some good policies” lol

you mean, once you get past the fact that he hates white people???
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November 17, 2011 10:05am
tom hunter

Experimental youth tom?

Heh. Not really – more like experimental friends during the days of 1988’s “Summer of Love”. The Chicago raves were …. something else, though I never did get to the UK ones.
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November 17, 2011 10:09am
graham

“once you get past all of the other stuff, hone has some good policies”

Like the fact that as an MP, he’s only interested in helping you if you’re Maori?
Like the fact he doesn’t give a s**t what anyone thinks?
Like the fact that he claims to be the one true voice for all Maori? And if other Maori leaders disagree with him, well they’re wrong and he’s right?
Like the fact that he is in Parliament under false pretences? At his swearing in, he swore allegiance to the Queen but then said “he did not find it difficult to swear an oath he did not believe in”

Yeah, it might take a while to get past all the other stuff.
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November 17, 2011 10:36am
Pete George

“once you get past all of the other stuff, hone has some good policies”

Like taking feeding responsibilities off parents?
Like tax free for anyone up to $28k and all the rich pricks (except Hone) can get stuffed?

Maybe there are some good policies – every party has ‘good policies’ – but:
a) there’s a lot of wacky hard left policy that would be a disaster
b) it isn’t important because no one will work with Mana so there’s no chance of their policies happening
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November 17, 2011 10:44am
graham

Oh dear … some people really have no life. There is a petition to get the Kardashians off TV.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10766646

Now I’ve never watched the Kardashian program – no, wait, I did watch two minutes but turned it off as I started dry-retching – and can’t for the life of me understand what people see in them. But seriously, petitioning to get the program taken off air? Here’s a a tip, folks: DON’T WATCH THE PROGRAM. It really is that simple.

Hell, if they’re looking for programs to get taken off air, there’s far worse programs which glorify drug use, promiscuity, drunkeness, and so on. If you’re going to complain about a TV program, at least complain about one that’s actually offensive, not just bleah.
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November 17, 2011 10:48am
Jack5

I don’t want to be rude “Black with a Vengeance”, but would you mind telling us please the significance of your nom-de-keyboard, your moniker, your pseudonym, your posting name on this blog?

I realise it can’t have anything to do with skin colour or race. For example, I doubt if anyone here would have the gall to post under such a name as “White with a Vengeance”.

Does your blogging name, BWAV, by any chance come from an initial slip of the typing fingers for “Back with a Vengeance”?
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November 17, 2011 10:54am
emmess

What the fuck is this?

The new Labour Party policy is ‘Steal a car and get off scot free”

Labour’s justice spokesman, Charles Chauvel, wants to eliminate jail sentences of less than six months because they are of “zero utility”.

He said abolishing short sentences, commonly used for minor offences such as drug possession and stealing cars

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10766593

Are they trying to promote public transport by having all the law abiding citizens cars stolen?
I thought there was no way they could release a worse policy than 70 bucks a week for dole bludgers.
I was wrong.
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November 17, 2011 11:05am
103PapPap

The Listener this week point out that National’s asset sale plan would sell off just 3% of Crown assets. So that is not selling the family silver, it is selling a teaspoon. Also, someone should point out that the dividends from the sold assets would be taxed, so there is a new income stream to counter the loss of direct dividends the Govt formerly got.
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November 17, 2011 11:07am
Black with a Vengeance

Hmmm…interesting question Jack 5 and i’m glad you asked me that but i’m ackshully here today to talk about youth unemployment and election policies.

next…no ? nothing ?…gotta run…
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November 17, 2011 11:18am
thedavincimode

emmess

Given that he had difficulty coping with a crying baby on a plane, I expect the smarmy little prick wouldn’t regard the theft of his own car as a “minor offence” if the windows were smashed, his little black book was pinched and he had to waste time fucking around with the inconvenience of sorting out repairs, plus pay the excess on fixing his poncey little ladies car.
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November 17, 2011 11:18am
Manolo

BWAV is none other than the infamous pollywog.
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November 17, 2011 11:27am
Scott Chris

thedavincimode
emmess

I think it’s a reasonable idea. There are other sanctions that can be applied for those who aren’t a danger to the community. Home detention including reparation with drug and alcohol testing should be sufficient punishment and is a cheaper option.

Sending kids to jail indoctrinates them into the wider criminal culture.
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November 17, 2011 11:29am
ste3e

This is simplistic but anyway. The advent of money came on the back of gold; gold secured money and gave it meaning. That idea evolved and money came to be secured on the back of assets. Now we have seen quantities of money flow from the West to the East on the back of the East’s exports. With that money the East have been building assets, as well as lending it back to the West who have also been building assets. One would think the value of assets has doubled, yet it is the same money and its shadow counterpart the loan, bourne on the back of Western assets that flows about the world. Who controls who prints money and why has the amount of money not increased to reflect the value of world assets? Who has decided that real human demand for shelter and jobs cannot be met because it is more important to somebody else not to print money? And who elected these people making life and death decisions? And is their ambition greater and more good than the quest for power?

By the way National have no contingency plan to cover government debt. Bill English made this quite clear on The Nation when he squirmed under the question and never provided a contingency plan. The only plan (fantasy) National have is to grow export revenue in the current world climate. When that fails they will have to borrow borrow borrow, or sell assets sell assets sell assets. They cannot increase taxes to cover the debt for that would admit their right wing fantasy is but ideological nonsense and this would effect their bottom line which they find more important than the starving of other human beings.

The costed plan Labour have in place covers the debt over the long term in the face of the “real” world situation, and accounts for the shortfalls in National’s “plan” that caused the credit rating agencies to downgrade National. Odd, really, Bill English went to the credit rating agencies and, I’m sure, stated quite clearly “John Key” to which the credit ratings agencies laughed and gave us a downgrade. “I couldn’t understand it”, I suppose Bill English thought, “I said ‘John Key’ quite clearly, they must have misunderstood. For surely John Key can stop the even the tide if he puts his mind to it.”
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November 17, 2011 11:31am
thedavincimode

Scott

You are missing the point. In context, one might easily infer that the smarmey little prick considers that the victims of so-called “minor crimes” aren’t in fact victims at all; that the offenders are. He implicitly dismisses the inconvenience and cost sufferred by crime victims as being of no consequence. The reference to eliminating short-term sentences of 6 months means, by inference, that this would extend to burglars also, meaning that by inference, he dismisses the impact of burglary on the real victims as being of no consequence. I wouldn’t have thought that one could describe the loss of any sense of security in one’s own home as arising from a “minor” offence.

I agree that we should ditch short term sentences. It is a waste of time and money.

As far as I’m concerned, bring back the chain gang. If you have a job, then you keep going to work and you spend all weekend on the PD chain gang. No smoking drinking or recreational time AT ALL. 100% controlled regime. If you don’t have a job, then bad luck fella, its 70 hrs per week on the chain gang. Absolutely no recreational time ie time to goof off. Its is pointless to take people out of paid employment and incarcerate them at taxpayers’ expense and in the process likely need to put their dependants on welfare, unless they are guilty of serious crime.

Make those short sentences non-paroled too. You do that time. If you pinch my car or burgle my house, then as far as I’m concerned you can spend the next 12 months with absolutely no recreational time at all. Do it again and you can spend the next 2 years manicuring the roadside. After you’ve had your third conviction and you’re finishing a 4 year stretch, you will hopefully not pinch my car again and maybe decide that you want to take up landscape gardening.
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November 17, 2011 12:21pm
KH

So the chairman of Fonterra has resigned. Good thing.
Farmers own the outfit and liked doing so. But their property right was not good enough for the financial services industry.
There has been immense pressure for Fonterra to be tradeable on the open market.
Which will benefit only those masterful ticket clippers in ‘financial services’. Nobody else.
Hopefully a new chairman will wind back from the slippery slope the company has been led to.
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November 17, 2011 12:31pm
graham

From the Herald:

“Members of Parliament have been given a $7,000 salary rise by the independent body who set their pay.”

Now, one could argue about whether this is deserved or not. But predictably, out comes John Minto.

‘But Mana Party’s Manukau East candidate John Minto was outraged by the pay increase. “The government is very fond of telling us we are living in tough economic times, that we must make sacrifices, cut government spending and reduce public services. They tell us in tough economic times we must pull our belts tighter. However they are loosening their own belts by a couple of notches.”‘

In some ways I can see his point, but one tiny problem – notice that word “independent”, John? The Government doesn’t set the pay rates …
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November 17, 2011 12:40pm
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Bridges backs leader in taping saga

Posted at 8:42am Thursday 17th Nov, 2011
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National candidate for Tauranga Simon Bridges is backing Prime Minister John Key’s decision to make a complaint to the police about the taping of his meeting with Act candidate for Epsom John Banks.

What you would expect but of course he is WRONG.
http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/18677-bridges-backs-leader-taping-saga.html

Now we have the glorious spectacle of the Police running search warrants on everything imaginable to do with this stupidity of Key’s and banks.No doubt if they don’t get their own way we will have more Law enacted to shut down freedom of speech and freedom of enterprise.

Today we have DPF moaning at Steve williams.
What the fuck has got into the water at Parliament?
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November 17, 2011 12:44pm
Paulus

The Swiss company Nestles would gobble up Fonterra before lunch, if it had a chance.
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November 17, 2011 12:59pm
publicwatchdog

Never mind the grinning chimpanzee ‘tea party’ – the outcome of which being that the Leader of the National Party John Key, has confirmed that he will be voting for National Epsom candidate Paul Goldsmith – NOT John Banks.

“John Key says he’s not telling people vote for John Banks but he wants him back in Parliament.

“In 2005 and 2008 they gave their party vote to National and their electorate vote to the ACT candidate and if they were to do that in 2011 I wouldn’t be unhappy.”

…………………………

Questions of hypocrisy are being asked, as John Key is an Epsom voter himself and says he will vote for National candidate Paul Goldsmith.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=208845

But by some mysterious mechanism (perhaps by reading the tea leaves?) – National Party voters are supposed to deduce that they are not to follow their National Party Leaders’ lead’ – but vote for the National Party “B” Team candidate – Epsom ACT MP – John Banks?

This is the arguably commercially incompetent John Banks – who, along with ex-Governor of the Reserve Bank Don Brash couldn’t even properly run a Hulich Kiwisaver scheme?

These are the arguably two yet-to-be charged and convicted ‘white collar’ criminals who have yet to feel the force of the ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ they espouse for everyone else – equally applied to themselves?

Why weren’t John Banks and Don Brash equally charged along with fellow former Director of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd Peter Huljich, for signing off Registered Prospectuses which contained untrue statements?

If they were effectively protected because of their political connections at the highest levels – isn’t that arguably a form of corrupt practice?

What I want to know is why there has effectively been a mainstream media ‘blackout’ on my formal request to the Director of the Serious Fraud Office, Adam Feeley, that the same charges that were laid against former Director of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd – Peter Huljich, equally be laid against fellow former Directors of Huljich Wealth Management (NZ) Ltd – Don Brash and John Banks.

‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ – sort of thing?

I note that three years ago – when Rodney Hide made a complaint to the SFO against NZ First – that was accompanied by MAN ON THE MOON headlines

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10529827

– although it came to nothing and no charges were ever laid by the SFO.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10536944

Spot the difference.

Could it be that in NZ, our democracy actually works according to the ‘golden rule’ (those who have the gold make the rules) and we get the government that the majority of BIG BUSINESS interests want us to have?

The majority of BIG BUSINESS interests are wanting a National/ACT government?

Want evidence to back that up?

Check out the Herald On Sunday article (not on line – unfortunately) 13 November 2011, “Biz leaders:policies that pass go”
Susan Edmunds.

Kind regards.

Penny Bright
Independent Candidate for Epsom
Campaigning against ‘white collar’ CRIME, CORRUPTION (and its root cause – PRIVATISATION) and ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’

waterpressure@gmail.com
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November 17, 2011 12:59pm
thedavincimode

Go away you stupid woman.
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November 17, 2011 1:06pm
KH

the financial services industry found it hard to figure out a way to make a buck out of Fonterra’s structure.
The answer they found was to interfere in the ownership rights of farmers.
And bugger up the whole thing if that’s what it took.
Thats ok if there is a buck in it.
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November 17, 2011 1:10pm
Mark

graham (143) Says:
November 17th, 2011 at 10:36 am
“once you get past all of the other stuff, hone has some good policies”

Like the fact that as an MP, he’s only interested in helping you if you’re Maori?
Like the fact he doesn’t give a s**t what anyone thinks?
Like the fact that he claims to be the one true voice for all Maori? And if other Maori leaders disagree with him, well they’re wrong and he’s right?
Like the fact that he is in Parliament under false pretences? At his swearing in, he swore allegiance to the Queen but then said “he did not find it difficult to swear an oath he did not believe in”

Yeah, it might take a while to get past all the other stuff.

Interesting analysis however
Like the fact that as an MP, he’s only interested in helping you if you’re Maori?
– He is standing in A Maori electorate and will be representing Maori voters so your point is what?

Like the fact he doesn’t give a s**t what anyone thinks?
– He’s a politician – so this is new?
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November 17, 2011 1:10pm
Ender

BWAV — I’m sure some people won’t believe this but I work in the trade and the biggest problem is not actually having apprenticeships available to be filled, it’s finding young people who are (or making people be) interested in spending 3 years working hard on often sub-minimum wages (apprentices are only entitled to min. $10.20p/h) whilst having to study and learn at the same time. People think minimum wage workers have it hard, apprentices aren’t even entitled to as much assistance as a normal wage worker and they still have to pay rent, vehicle, food, tools, clothing costs out of that.

Becoming a tradie is not as easy as most office-dwellers would like to believe and when boys are leaving school hardly able to gain NCEA Level 1 they will struggle whilst on apprenticeship. I know normal adults who have found it hard to fulfill all the requirements of an apprenticeship.
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November 17, 2011 1:16pm
RightNow

Hmm, a poll on Stuff asks:

Have you decided who you are voting for yet?

Yes

No

Still thinking about it

Three options for a binary question. Stooooopid.
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November 17, 2011 1:17pm
pollywog

BWAV is none other than the infamous pollywog.

Are you sure about that ?
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November 17, 2011 1:20pm
graham

@ Mark:

“Interesting analysis however
Like the fact that as an MP, he’s only interested in helping you if you’re Maori?
– He is standing in A Maori electorate and will be representing Maori voters so your point is what?

Like the fact he doesn’t give a s**t what anyone thinks?
– He’s a politician – so this is new?”

(1) Because he is the leader of the Mana Party which is standing in non-Maori seats also – in fact they are standing more General Seat candidates than Maori Electorate candidates – and his part is seeking non-Maori votes. My point is this: why, as one of those voters he is trying to woo in the General Electorates, should I vote for someone who has no interest in helping me because I’m the wrong race?
(2) Probably not, but he has gone on record saying it. Not many other politicians do that.
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November 17, 2011 1:24pm
Lazybum

9 more days until Russel Norman becomes associate Finance Minister. Are you scared yet NZ?
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November 17, 2011 1:39pm
Manolo

Have a good laugh: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/arts-post/post/obama-kisses-chavez-in-new-benetton-ad/2011/11/16/gIQAB91oRN_blog.html?wprss=arts-post
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November 17, 2011 1:39pm
Manolo

Another tranquil follower of the religion of peace: http://news.msn.co.nz/article/8375203/father-accused-of-murdering-daughters
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November 17, 2011 1:46pm
publicwatchdog

So ‘thedavincimode’ – don’t you support ACT’s ‘ONE LAW FOR ALL’ equally applying to the ACT Party Leader Don Brash and the ACT candidate for Epsom, John Banks?

Don’t you support ‘ZERO TOLERANCE FOR ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME?

Why on earth is that?

Don’t you believe in ‘Leaders’ practising what they preach, and ‘leading from the front’?

Obviously not.

You have a LOVELY day.

You most certainly have helped make mine!

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
Independent Candidate for Epsom
Campaigning against ‘white collar’ CRIME, CORRUPTION (and its root cause – PRIVATISATION) and ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’

waterpressure@gmail.com
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November 17, 2011 1:48pm
thedavincimode

You are stupid beyond belief.

That’s does not mean that I support white collar crime.

It means that you are stupid beyond belief.
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November 17, 2011 1:50pm
East Wellington Superhero

@ lazybum

What?
Nats will get 50%+
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November 17, 2011 1:54pm
Ender

Penny why aren’t you campaigning against violent crime committed 99% of the time by non-white collars?
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November 17, 2011 2:32pm
HB

yes East Wellington Superhero “unbridled power” dontcha know
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November 17, 2011 2:33pm
DJP6-25

Jack5 8:22 You are right. I only go to their sites if there is a link from here, No Minister, or Whale Oil. I haven’t read the Press since July last year.

cheers

David Prosser
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November 17, 2011 3:15pm
Manolo

You are stupid beyond belief.

The understatement of the century.
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November 17, 2011 3:18pm
Manolo

How more stupid (I mean politically correct) can someone be? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/11/16/cancer-center-reverse-santa-ban/
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November 17, 2011 3:27pm
backster

EMMESS………Strange that GOFF failed to refer to CHAUVEL’s announcement of Labour’s justice policy when he spoke to the Police Association Conference this morning. Clearly he lacked the COURAGE. Instead he promised to get tougher on cracking down on the proceeds of crime, something he lacked the courage to do during the nine years of Helen’s reign. Somehow I think he was Lying.
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November 17, 2011 3:56pm
ste3e

It is odd all this self righteousness that drives people to think ideas that have never worked anywhere else in the world, including their most extreme iterations found in Stalinist Russia, should suddenly work if introduced here. Indeed I have visions of fat and corrupt American law officials overseeing the chain gangs thedavincimode obviously dreams of. The oddity is the patent contradiction; these self-righteous have no moral ground from which to make their moral argument for no coherent system of morality accepts a situation where some have more than they need while others starve. If they took a moral standpoint from the beginning and gave back what they do not need to create a decent society they would obviate most of the crime and expenditure they now have to bear because of their initial greed.
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November 17, 2011 3:59pm
side show bob

So MacDaddy has told the Aussies the US will not be rushing in to sign off cap and trade or implement a Carbon tax. Doesn’t it warm the cockles of your heart when you realise us and the Aussies are to be bled dry by our parasitic politicians. Well done Gillard and well done to the bitch in the UN, led the world, yeah, to third world status.
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November 17, 2011 4:03pm
Manolo

Someone please tell the pair of fools Key and Smith to abolish the ETS tax now.
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November 17, 2011 4:25pm
Manolo

Meanwhile, another socialist buffoon is grilled by farmers: http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10766739&ref=rss
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November 17, 2011 4:28pm
Fletch

Interesting interview with Thomas Sowell on subjects in his newest book, The Thomas Sowell Reader.
One of the things he says in the video about Obama –

“One of Barack Obama’s great gifts is the ability to say things that are absolutely absurd and make them sound not only plausible, but inspiring.”

So true!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sM5sQIZXlg&feature=player_embedded
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November 17, 2011 4:37pm
side show bob

Manolo, I think the massage is slowly sinking in to their thick skulls but the political cost of dropping the ETS would be to great at the present point in time. Many center left voters like the idea of an ETS. Over the pass few years NZ seems to have been polarized by calls from many urban dwellers that farmers are rich, greedy and polluting. I know many of my farming mates are growing tied of these tags, which are so far for the truth as to be laughable. It seems to me that farmers and farming in New Zealand is becoming the new wiping boy for lefty urban know it alls and the Nats are happy to play along, the dropping of the ETS could cost votes. The government is playing both sides, talk of a later implementation ETS date for farmers but we shall continue with the bullshit charade of the whole climate change con for the useful idiots.
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November 17, 2011 4:50pm
thedavincimode

Manolo

You just did (and not for the first time!). 🙂
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November 17, 2011 4:51pm
thedavincimode

ste3e

“Indeed I have visions of fat and corrupt American law officials overseeing the chain gangs thedavincimode obviously dreams of.”

Actually I was thinking of NZ prison guards who don’t take shit.

What’s your solution then? Print some money and give it to them so that they don’t pinch our cars and steal our televisions?
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November 17, 2011 4:57pm
ste3e

I can understand why the right are aggrieved. They have been taught this fantastic notion that they are entitled to all the proceeds of their work. The notion is fantastic because it is contradicted by the nature of the reality in which we find ourselves.
It is a fact that poverty causes crime.
It is also a fact that no amount of brutality has ever stopped crime, and a fair inference that it never will.
Therefore the price of living according to your fantasy is that you must fork out more to try and ensure the security lost due to your living according to your fantasy and causing poverty.
Get over it. You are already screwed.
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November 17, 2011 5:06pm
thedavincimode

ste3e

Try reading those remarks tomorrow before you get drunk of stoned. Then come back and try to make some sense, if you can.
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