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November 11, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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bereal

Hey BWAV
glad to hear that you got your forehead tatooed.
i hope it was huge and all capital letters too.
Did you manage to spell it rite ?

Also, happy to see that it turns out you actually do have a bit of a sense of humour.
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November 11, 2011 7:07pm
reid

Children can be left on the drugs for years and are not properly monitored, despite side effects such as dramatic weight gain, diabetes, heart disorders and a Parkinson’s disease-like tremor that continues even after the medication is stopped.
Worryingly, nobody knows what the long-term side effects are and pharmaceutical companies have blocked all requests for data on trials involving children.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2059191/GPs-gave-15-000-children-young-chemical-cosh.html#ixzz1dNHHx2dN
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November 11, 2011 7:10pm
Nookin

Thanks, Davinci
I was wondering if he had pissed you off somewhat.
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November 11, 2011 7:17pm
Scott Chris

Perhaps thedavincimode is trying the equal and opposite force method.

(Mind you, this concept was foreign to the original Leonardo, as it was Newton who first stated it as a Law.)

Usually leads to a bigger explosion.

Much better to take ’em by surprise IMO.
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November 11, 2011 7:51pm
nasska

reid @ 7.10

You’re not the only one concerned about where this is going to end up. The drug was welcomed as a solution to hyper activity but it amazes me that this condition only seemed to surface after corporal punishment was banned & the nannies took over the teaching profession.

The fact that the kids’ Ritalin is trafficked on the illegal drug market should give some idea of the potency of the drug.
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November 11, 2011 7:55pm
nasska

Irish Ghost Story

It was the middle of a very dark and stormy night, a guy was on the side of the road hitch hiking. As the night rolled on, cars were scarce, and no lights lined the street.
The storm was so strong he could barely see a few feet ahead of him.

Suddenly in the distance he saw the head lights of a car coming towards
him and without any reason it slowed to a stand still beside him.

Without hesitation, the guy hurriedly gets into the car and closes the
door only to realize there is no one sitting behind the wheel. All of a
sudden the car begins to move, the guy looks at the road ahead and
notices a sharp curve coming his way. Scared, he starts to pray, begging for his life. Still in shock, but just before he hits the curve, a hand appears through the window and turns the wheel. Paralysed with
terror,the guy watches how the hand appears every time they approach a curve.

Gathering all the strength he has, the guy grabs the door latch,rolls
out onto the pavement and runs as fast as he can to the nearest town.

Dripping wet and in shock the guy runs into a crowded local bar, asks for two shots of whisky and begins to tell everybody about the horrible
experience he just went through. Everyone is glued in silence and
amazement as they notice the guy shaking, crying but clearly not drunk.

About half an hour later two guys walk into the same bar and in
amazement one says to the other.

“Look Mick, that’s the arsehole that got in the car when we were pushing
it!”
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November 11, 2011 8:00pm
Scott Chris

nasska says:- “only seemed to surface after corporal punishment was banned”

Have to disagree with you there. I was right at the tail end (pun intended) of corporal punishment, and was regularly caned. You’d mark it on your belt and show off your stripes, and for a day or two, your popularity would peak. It became a pissing contest for many of us.

Also, I have a nephew who’s academic achievement and behaviour has dramatically improved since being prescribed ritalin.
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November 11, 2011 8:04pm
reid

What is a murmuration?

http://www.boreme.com/posting.php?id=31278

Keep it running for a few secs, it’s not what you first think.
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November 11, 2011 8:06pm
Viking2

Two little kids are in a hospital, lying on stretchers next to each other, outside the operating room. The first kid leans over and asks, “What are you in here for?”

The second kid says, “I’m in here to get my tonsils out and I’m a little nervous.”

The first kid says, “You’ve got nothing to worry about. I had that done when I was four. They put you to sleep, and when you wake up they give you lots of Jelly and ice cream. It’s a breeze.”

The second kid then asks, “What are you here for?”

The first kid says, “A Circumcision.”

And the second kid says, “Whoa, good luck with that buddy. I had that done when I was born. Couldn’t walk for a year.”
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November 11, 2011 8:12pm
Black with a Vengeance

John Key cuts short holiday in Hell

John Key, planning an extended stay in Hell to celebrate his party’s healthy poll ratings, had to cut short the visit due to it being completely frozen over.

Key was quoted as saying, ‘Well ackshully i dunno what happened. Last time i was there it was hot as but thats life eh’

‘I’m pretty relaxed about it, just as well i still got the house in Hawai’i. Satan can always come visit me there to work on more policy’ he went on to say…

http://www.stuffyou.co.nz/national/cold-day-in-hell/666/John-Key-cuts-holiday-short-in-Hell.htmlzzzzzz*yawn*nexxxt
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November 11, 2011 8:12pm
nasska

Scott Chris

It may have been rite of passage to leave college with a belt that looked like a cross cut saw but fact was even the school hard men knew the consequences of getting too far offside with the ‘system’. I don’t think we should go back in time & the type & frequency of the corporal punishment we were delivered was excessive by most standards. I was a pupil at a church boarding school not far from Auckland & we had three teachers out of the staff room muster who were utter psychos.

Thing about the use of Ritalin & such is that it is issued very readily & there seems to be little time spent trying gradual withdrawal from the drug. It could be a case of take a pill X times a day forever, that’s cured it, next please.
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November 11, 2011 8:17pm
side show bob

Reid, about the same amount of those fuckers try to make nests in my tractor everyday. The bastards never give up, three tractors have burnt to the ground around here in the last two weeks. You can no longer get insurance if the company can prove the tractor caught fire by way of birds. They are arseholes but the amount of bugs they eat everyday must be in the tonnes, I would rather live with them then without them.
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November 11, 2011 8:25pm
nasska

And in tomorrow’s General Discussion we will debate Black with a Vengeance’s greatest dilemma:

“What is a life and where can I download one?”
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November 11, 2011 8:27pm
reid

Compare this:

http://www.opinion-maker.org/2011/09/obama-in-the-mirror/

to this:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100116105/barack-obama-is-facing-an-anti-big-government-revolution/

He’s a very strange man, IMO. He came from nowhere, and I think he’ll disappear into nowhere. As far as an ex-Pres can. His Chicago background is quite interesting. In a spooky way. This guy is not, in reality, what he appears as in the public mind. Having a man like that holding his job is quite scary, like having a grenade in your hand without a pin in it is quite scary.

They are arseholes

ssb I take it you’re not keen on murmurations?
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November 11, 2011 8:27pm
Black with a Vengeance

“What is a life and where can I download one?”

sounds like that book the Whale’s been threatening to write.
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November 11, 2011 8:43pm
toad

No-one here, including DPF, has anything to say about today’s cuppa.

So I’ll say something:

Does the cuppa mean John Key now gives tacit (or overt) support to racism like this?
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November 11, 2011 8:43pm
reid

You’d mark it on your belt and show off your stripes, and for a day or two, your popularity would peak. It became a pissing contest for many of us.

Crikey, did it?

Personally at my school we didn’t do that, for it would have been rather gay, we would have thought. We didn’t really like it actually, well I didn’t and I can’t recall anyone saying they did.

Corporal punishment however is not vicious angry beating as people these days seem to imagine it was, thanks to the deluded insane lefties like Sue Bradford. Personally I didn’t particularly like the thought of heading to the master’s office, although one time it was quite funny. One boy had left in the fifth form and in the early part of the sixth form came back to school in his car, a rally mini, in which he was quite good. So we all piled in and we went roaring round the school grounds, through the tracks we had there, it was great. However for some reason as soon as we pulled up outside our boarding house, the housemaster was waiting for us and seemed rather angry. He marched us in and gave us all six of the weakest I’ve ever had, cause he was so angry.

It’s a shame corporal punishment has been banned, for I’m sure there’s a big moral in there somewhere. Something like: if you do it, do it big. Make them so mad they lose all sense of anything, then it’ll all be OK. I think that’s a good thing to teach our young, I’ve certainly benefited from it over the years.
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November 11, 2011 8:44pm
reid

Does the cuppa mean John Key now gives tacit (or overt) support to racism like this?

toad do you genuinely think this is racist or are you just being disingenuous?

If the former, why do you think that?
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November 11, 2011 8:49pm
Black with a Vengeance

No-one here, including DPF, has anything to say about today’s cuppa.

Vote Banks even though Key won’t be.

Do as i say, not as i do…the new John Key mantra for keeping him not unhappy.

LIAR and HYPOCRITE ?
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November 11, 2011 9:00pm
bereal

Oh jeez,
forehead with “i am a fukwit,” tatooed on it.
Don’t shout.
Hissy tantrums willl not advance your POV
We can all hear.
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November 11, 2011 9:07pm
Falafulu Fisi

BWAV said…

Is treasury lying and Key in his ‘dynamic environment’ knows better ?

This shows how fuckn ignorant you are. The models that Treasury is using is bullshit neoclassical economics. It never worked and it never will . The fundamental assumption that macro model of the mainstream economic theories is based on equilibrium, which in the real world it never exists. Equilibrium doesn’t exist in the real markets.

Here is the criticism from Economics Nobel Laureate Prof. Robert Solow in his testimony to US Congress on why macroeconomists failed to foresee the Financial crisis of 2007-2010.

Prof. Solow said in his testimony:

‘I do not think that the currently popular DSGE (Dynamic stochastic general equilibrium) models pass the smell test. They take it for granted that the whole economy can be thought about as if it were a single, consistent person or dynasty carrying out a rationally designed, long-term plan, occasionally disturbed by unexpected shocks, but adapting to them in a rational, consistent way… The protagonists of this idea make a claim to respectability by asserting that it is founded on what we know about microeconomic behavior, but I think that this claim is generally phony. The advocates no doubt believe what they say, but they seem to have stopped sniffing or to have lost their sense of smell altogether.’

I have no time to dig it up for you on the net about treasury forecasting in the past about forecast versus actuality (its on NOT PC blog), but if you examine the graph (observed versus forecast) you can see that there is more than 95% wrong. WHY? The macro models are based on equilibrium, while complex system such as economy never settles on equilibrium (Demand & Supply never equals at any particular point in time).

John Key just used the Treasury’s job forecasts for the next 3 years in his debate with Phil Goff to state that there will be more than 10s of thousands of jobs that will be created by then. The public buys into this sort of economic bullshit from Treasury. Again, this is based on equilibrium models, which is bullshit.

The idiots at the Treasury think they’re smart but actually they’re dull for keep using models that have been falsified.
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November 11, 2011 9:08pm
nasska

Washed out Beige with an Itchy Arse

It’ll never catch on. How about:

PRAGMATIST and ALL ROUND GOOD BLOKE?
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November 11, 2011 9:08pm
reid

if you examine the graph (observed versus forecast) you can see that ~~there is~~ you are more than 95% wrong

I’m going to put that on my office wall, FfF, with a big hand pointing to the person coming through the door.

Thanks.

Seriously, does Treasury really think people behave rationally? Which planet are they from?
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November 11, 2011 9:25pm
reid

The simple fact Liarbore ever get elected ever at all, is a huge contra-indication.

Crikey.

And these are our best and brightest.

I see.
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November 11, 2011 9:29pm
bereal

Falafulu Fisi

Your point the other night on the media studies at AUV was well made.

Anyone who followed your link would realise what a crock of shit that whole con job is.

It’s so sad that these pseudo intellecuals can foment such shit.

When you look at the “staff”

there is no one home. A bunch of nonce losers sucking in genuine hopefull students.
Makes you want to puke. Get a student loan ….

They should be ashamed of themselves.

Are these nothings getting paid by the taxpayers of New Zealand ?
Theteronormalantive concepts . FFS
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November 11, 2011 9:35pm
Black with a Vengeance

This shows how fuckn ignorant you are. The models that Treasury is using is bullshit BLAH BLAH BLAH…

chill the fuck out shithead !

So in the case of treasury saying…

“We have evidence that has not been true in the past, so without new evidence the balance of probabilities is that a higher minimum wage does not generally lead to higher unemployment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5950736/Key-sat-on-wage-report

I’m inclined to believe them based on evidence.

But when as you say…

John Key just used the Treasury’s job forecasts for the next 3 years in his debate with Phil Goff to state that there will be more than 10s of thousands of jobs that will be created by then. The public buys into this sort of economic bullshit from Treasury. Again, this is based on equilibrium models, which is bullshit.

…I’m inclined to cry bullshit as well, based on forecasts. But that still doesn’t stop Key from claiming his gov’t will create 170 000 jobs over the next four years in their campaign ads.

http://youtu.be/wgNJsPHIpXc

Lying much ?

And then when he knows the game, he can cry “decade of deficits” based on more treasury predictions he knows to be false just so the cheerleaders in the National party echo chamber can repeat the lie for the sheeple to buy and vote for him.

Thus defying predictions by selling state assets to bring us back into surplus within half the time and showing him up to be a most prudent country manager.

I’m reminded of the line from Sin City…

Power don’t come from a badge or a gun. Power comes from lying. Lying big and gettin’ the whole damn world to play along with you. Once you’ve got everybody agreeing with what they know in their hearts ain’t true, you’ve got ’em by the balls.

http://youtu.be/w1DqgQkxjIg
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November 11, 2011 10:43pm
reid

Power don’t come from a badge or a gun.

Yes, it does.

When was the last time a badge and/or a gun lost a fight, ultimately?

Not very often, right?

Crikey.
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November 11, 2011 11:34pm
Black with a Vengeance

Who ultimately has more power, John key with his lies or a cop on the beat with a glock in his car ?

Key sure has a good grasp on your balls reid !
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