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Tauhei Notts

Graham at 2.58. I am also in favour of some limited Maori being taught in schools. How else will children comprehend Hone Harawira’s nickname “tutaenui”?
Manolo at 1.50. Thank you for bringing that Greek ambassador’s letter to our attention. Some years ago my wife, who was in Epirus, found that ambassador’s office so ineffectual at renewing her passport that she became naturalised here. That Greek bureaucracy; it is alive and, only just, living in Wellington.
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November 10, 2011 4:01pm
thedavincimode

T Notts

“Greek bureaucracy; it is alive and, only just, living in Wellington.”

By the end of the month that Greek bureaucracy might be running a small restaurant.
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November 10, 2011 4:08pm
Black with a Vengeance

”Just another ‘normal’ day in the back blocks of Nelson

yup…

Just stopped in quickly on my way to a mates place to smoke some of the new batch of P hes cooked up and vege out on PS3. Then i was thinking of heading round my terminally ill uncles place while hes not there and stealing some shit, maybe take a crap on his favourite chair too.

That’ll teach the prick for not giving me as much money as my sister when we were kids and Dad used to drag us round there to get on the piss with him till all hours. He only took us so we could drive him home in the early morning, never mind i was only fucking 9. Screwed me right up for school that shit did.

Thinkin’ bout my sister always makes me horny eh, so maybe i’ll pop over the road to rape Uncle’s neighbour as well. She may be 93 but she still looks fit, thats prolly just the woodys talkin i reckon. I might have to kill her dog though…not for any legit reason, but just cos i can.

Goes without saying i’ll bash her as well, steal her car, rob the corner dairy for more ciggys and junkfood then try to catch the bank and stick it up too so’s i got some cash to get McDonalds for breakfast tomorow.

Might give the pub a miss though and grab a few takeaways instead. It’s thursday and all the white trash balheads are there with their bogan as solo mum girlfriends stirring up shit calling everyone nigger lovers.

Dunno eh…see how i feel later. Could always cruise down there at closing time with a few of the cuzzies and smash em with the $2 cricket set i bought the kids for christmas. Gotta look after the younguns and set a good example eh ?

Just gotta remember to get it off layby from the warehouse if thats the plan.

chur.
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November 10, 2011 4:15pm
Falafulu Fisi

I can’t get my head over this fixation with teaching things Maori, such as Maori language. The sad thing is, both National and Labour support this bullshit. If Tariana Turia and Peter Sharple want to lift Maori standards of education, then they should look to the future and encourage Maori students to be interested in maths/science. Being proficient in the Maori language is not a ticket to higher education either here or overseas. It’s time to stop the bullsh*t.
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November 10, 2011 4:15pm
Andrei

Falafulu Fisi

Talking of Science and Engineering education did you see this: Why Science Majors Change Their Minds (It’s Just So Darn Hard)
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November 10, 2011 4:21pm
Pete George

God ‘ol Andrei.

“Family values” could also be seen as religious double talk. There’s a lot more to good familying than rigid religious practices. Not everyone sees forcing your daughter to marry someone becasue they’re pregnant as good family practice, especially if the father is violent or into domination or many other traits that are too common.

“Family first” can be doublespeak too, some seem to take it to mean “husband first and everyone else do as they’re told”.
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November 10, 2011 4:22pm
Manolo

I rather see Chauvel wiinning Ohariu-Belmont than the whorish Dunne.
Yes, nothing could be worse than re-electing the UF political prostitute.
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November 10, 2011 4:33pm
nasska

PG

Good luck on that one. Father must always be obeyed…after all it’s in the fine print in the good book.

Wall meet head.
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November 10, 2011 4:41pm
bereal

Hey, blue arse 4.15
while your at it why not call in at the tatoo artists and get “Fuckwit” tatooed
on your forehead.
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November 10, 2011 4:42pm
Pete George

I’d sorta gathered you weren’t a fan Manolo but that’s fine, we only need 1 in 50 to be quite successful and 1 in 20 to really rock the pundits – they don’t see things like a lot of ordinary middle New Zealand does.
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November 10, 2011 4:46pm
JamesS

All this talk online and in the media about Dunne vs Chauvel in Ohariu is just dumb, as is the line about vote Dunne to keep out Chauvel.
Has it occurred to the substantial number of people who tick National with their party vote that if they did not split their ballot then it is problem solved? 1 party vote tick for National + 1 electorate vote tick for National = goodbye Peter, goodbye Charles (fancy that!)
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November 10, 2011 4:50pm
Falafulu Fisi

Andrei, a lot of what the article says is true.

If happen to go past the University of Auckland School of Engineering, just stop by and pop in there just to have a look (perhaps at lunch time). You would have mistaken the place as some campus at a University in Beijing. There is a large chunk of them in the engineering school. That basically means that they’re high achievers in math/physics exactly as the New York Times article you linked to above, quoted that students in China and India focus relentlessly on math and science from an early age.

I would roughly estimate the number of Asian students (including indians) at the UoA Engineering is perhaps ~ 60% or more. There’s always a small number of Pacific Islanders and Maoris at the Engineering school per year, which is not many. May be PI and Maori students there are less than 10 each per year.
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November 10, 2011 4:50pm
thedavincimode

“we only need 1 in 50 to be quite successful”

And THAT PG, is the problem with MMP …
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November 10, 2011 5:02pm
Pete George

It’s not a problem thedavincimode, it’s called representation. 1 in 50 have as much right to representation to any other 1 in 50.
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November 10, 2011 5:12pm
thedavincimode

PG

You know very well that in reality it a case of the 1 in 50 holding the other 49 to ransom, Tsk tsk.
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November 10, 2011 5:18pm
DavidC

Just got 4 letters in the letterbox from Ian lees-Galloway in plain envelopes, the about to be crushed MP for Palmy.
Obviously using a envelope with a Liarbore crest on it would consign it to the bin faster!

Hand delivered tho, so at least he didnt waste the stamp!
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November 10, 2011 5:23pm
thedavincimode

DavidC

It would seem that the party flunky that delivered them thought: “WTF am I wasting my time doing this for?” and just stuffed the rest of them in your letterbox.
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November 10, 2011 5:26pm
Andrei

Wanna know where the ETS money goes?
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November 10, 2011 5:40pm
DavidC

davincimode…they were all personally addressed so someone had gone thru electoral role to see what voters live where.
here we have Wifey and I, The hairy Beast that we spawned and an absentee bro in Law who lives in USA but votes.
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November 10, 2011 6:15pm
Pete George

There is no holding to ransom – power in government is usually about proportional to the number of MPs in each party.
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November 10, 2011 6:26pm
kowtow

Shoot 2 cops and a police dog and you get 14 years for attempt murder. Can apply for parole in 7.

Yesterday the news is of an 18 yr old woman murdered . Police “vehemently” opposed the bail of the accused.

The Nats voted to criminalise parental discipline.

What are they doing about real crime and judges who don’t protect the public and the police?

New Zealand, a country fit for criminals.
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November 10, 2011 6:43pm
F E Smith

get 14 years for attempt murder. Can apply for parole in 7.

Apply does not mean get. Most unlikely to get parole at half time. Most likely is that this person will serve about 2/3 of the sentence, which is pretty standard. So the sentence is probably an effective one of about 10 years incarcerated, followed by 4 years on parole and subject to recall at any time.

Police “vehemently” opposed the bail of the accused.

Which does not mean they were in the right. You do not say what the result was, but just because a murder accused is granted bail does not mean they are a danger. Note I did not say this particular murder accused is not a danger, my point was generic.

judges who don’t protect the public and the police?

Not the judge’s job at all. The job of the judge is to apply the law as it is written by the politicians. If you have a problem with the law, blame the politicians.

[DPF: In this case the Judge did get bail wrong as the bail opposition was for the kidnapping. If he had not been bailed for that, then the murder would not have occurred]
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November 10, 2011 6:59pm
bereal

What is the name of the judge who granted Akshay Chand bail against strong police opposition so
he was able to go and stab and kill Christie Marceau.

What is the name of the judge who granted bail to Gary Irwin (Bridgecorp) so he can
go and put his feet up at his sons place in Sydney.

The power of blogsites is that these judges can now be named and shamed.

Then we might get some semblance of justice eventually in NZ

We know that it was judge Phillipa Cunningham thought that if you can make people laugh
then you can be excused pedophillia charges. (now appealed by the crown i understand)

But lets name these judges. Justice should be seen to be done.
How can these perverse decisions be made by nameless unaccountable judges ?

Anybody know their names ?
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November 10, 2011 7:08pm
Steve

I do know the name of one judge, DPF. You should spill the beans by email if you wish, but not on the blog.
If you wish to plaster censorship all over the internet then you should have your own blog
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November 10, 2011 7:23pm
bereal

F E Smith @6.59
Wrong. You are so very, very wrong.
Judges do have some discretion.

Don’t cop out totally and blame the politicians as you seem to do.

Judges can grant or not grant name suppression for example.
( a discretion abused by many judges and soon to be curtailed)

When all the facts of a matter are published for all to see then some of these judges
may think twice. ( as no doubt Phillipa Cunningham for eg may now be doing)

The judges hands are tied is bullshit.

The legal eagles may feel that they know better, are more knowledgeable and can interpret the law
better than the people but that is wrong.
In the end the people are right.

You are wrong.
As you will see.
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November 10, 2011 7:27pm
F E Smith

bereal,

go read the Bail Act.

s7 Rules as to granting bail

(1) A defendant is bailable as of right who is charged with an offence that is not punishable by imprisonment.

(2) A defendant is bailable as of right who is charged with an offence for which the maximum punishment is less than 3 years’ imprisonment, unless the offence is one against section 194 of the Crimes Act 1961 (which relates to assault on a child, or by a male on a female) or against section 49 of the Domestic Violence Act 1995 (which relate to contravention of a protection order).

(4) Despite anything in this section, a defendant who is charged with an offence punishable by imprisonment is not bailable as of right if the defendant has been previously convicted of an offence punishable by death or imprisonment.

and, in section 8

Consideration of just cause for continued detention

(1) In considering whether there is just cause for continued detention, the court must take into account—

(a) whether there is a risk that—

(i) the defendant may fail to appear in court on the date to which the defendant has been remanded; or

(ii) the defendant may interfere with witnesses or evidence; or

(iii) the defendant may offend while on bail; and

(b) any matter that would make it unjust to detain the defendant.

(2) In considering whether there is just cause for continued detention under subsection (1), the court may take into account the following:

(a) the nature of the offence with which the defendant is charged, and whether it is a grave or less serious one of its kind:

(b) the strength of the evidence and the probability of conviction or otherwise:

(c) the seriousness of the punishment to which the defendant is liable, and the severity of the punishment that is likely to be imposed:

(d) the character and past conduct or behaviour, in particular proven criminal behaviour, of the defendant:

(e) whether the defendant has a history of offending while on bail, or breaching court orders, including orders imposing bail conditions:

(f) the likely length of time before the matter comes to hearing or trial:

(g) the possibility of prejudice to the defence in the preparation of the defence if the defendant is remanded in custody:

(h) any other special matter that is relevant in the particular circumstances.

So, in your Bridgecorp example, there is no possible way that you could argue, under the law that the Politicians have passed, that any of the directors should not get bail. How they maintain themselves whilst on bail is their concern, not the judge’s nor ours.

What is the name of the judge who granted Akshay Chand bail against strong police opposition so he was able to go and stab and kill Christie Marceau.

I note what DPF says as well. However, I would point you all to s15 of the Bail Act, which says

Granting of bail to defendant under 20 years of age

(1) If a court remands or commits for trial or for sentence a defendant who appears to the court to be of or over the age of 17 years but under the age of 20 years, it must release the defendant on bail or otherwise subject to such conditions as it thinks fit

Which means that there had to be some pretty bad offending in the accused’s history for him to have been denied bail. If he was a clean skin (i.e. no offences) then there would be pretty much no chance of a denial of bail.

Therfore, and given tentatively because I am not fully aware of the accused’s background, I would say that the judge in no way got it wrong in granting bail, regardless of the view of the police. I note that the Criminal Bar Association agrees with me.

Again, if you have an issue with this, then go and ask the politicians. The judge merely followed the law.

We know that it was judge Phillipa Cunningham thought that if you can make people laugh

then you can be excused pedophillia charges. (now appealed by the crown i understand)

And sometimes judges get it wrong. If it is under appeal then we will soon know whether the Court of Appeal agrees with you.

But lets name these judges. Justice should be seen to be done.

It is seen to be done. You can go down to the Court at any time and watch. What you mean is that you want the judges to make decisions that you approve of.

How can these perverse decisions be made by nameless unaccountable judges?

Hundreds of Thousands of decisions are made by judges each year. Only a few are mentioned in the media, and only fraction of them attract any criticism. But you want to ‘name and shame’ the judges and accuse them of being unaccountable. Which is untrue, of course, as their decisions are able to be appealed.

What you want, bereal, is a witch hunt of any judge that makes a decision of which you disapprove. That is a shameful thing to suggest.
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November 10, 2011 7:30pm
F E Smith

Oh, you can find the Bail Act here.
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November 10, 2011 7:31pm
Monique Watson

I’m working on a blog post on my personal blog called:”I’m a fat naked man sitting at my keyboard.
I’m stricken by procrastination and an impending curry and am here to see if there is anything interesting going down apart from Silvio.
Anything sticking today?
Oh here we go, I’m getting the Rendang call. Wendy Petrie fist-pump moment.
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November 10, 2011 7:34pm
F E Smith

Steve,

I know the name’s of a lot of judges- in fact, you can find the District Court judges here. Their names are in no way suppressed, their decisions are generally available for all to see.

If you wish to plaster censorship all over the internet then you should have your own blog

What on earth does that mean?
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November 10, 2011 7:37pm
Black with a Vengeance

Nce PWNING but I wouldn’t bother with bereal any more F E Smith. Shes an ingorant blue troll of the lowest order. Not just dumb, but too dumb to know it.

I suggest you stop feeding her facts as she wouldn’t know what to do with them. Chances are she’s gonna chew them up and spit them out as incoherent bile and childish insults in…

3-2-1…
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November 10, 2011 7:44pm
Steve

I was meaning that this bog is Kiwiblog owned by David Farrah. So he will judge.
But yes Smith, I do think some Judges are complete crap pinkos that are way out of touch with the public. I am not going to name them but feel free to yourself.
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November 10, 2011 7:45pm
Steve

Oh, here is Ebony with a Chip on both Shoulders.
What did you do for the Taxpayer today Hone?
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November 10, 2011 7:49pm
nasska

Two women are chatting in an office.

Woman 1: “I had sex last night, did you?”

Woman 2: “Yes.”

Woman 1: “Was it good?”

Woman 2: “No, it was a disaster… my husband came home, ate his dinner in three minutes, got on top of me, finished having sex in five minutes, rolled over and fell asleep in two minutes. How was yours?”

Woman 1: “Oh it was amazing! My husband came home and took me out to a romantic dinner. After dinner we walked for an hour. When we came home he lit the candles around the house and we had an hour of foreplay. We then had an hour long session of fantastic sex and afterwards talked for an hour. It was like a fairytale!”

At the same time, their husbands are talking at work.

Husband 1: “You wanted sex last night, how was it?”

Husband 2: “Great. I came home, dinner was on the table, I ate, had sex with my wife and fell asleep. It was great! What about you?”

Husband 1: “It was horrible. I came home, there’s no dinner because they cut the electricity because I hadn’t paid the bill; so I had to take my wife out to dinner which was so expensive that I didn’t have money left for a cab. We had to walk home which took an hour – and when we got home I remembered there was no electricity so I had to light candles all over the house! I was so angry that I couldn’t get it up for an hour and then I couldn’t climax for another hour. After I finally did, I was so aggravated that I couldn’t fall asleep and my wife was jabbering away for another hour!
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November 10, 2011 8:00pm
nasska

Creme de Mud with Haemorrhoids

Thanks for sharing with us your event filled day. So often we, the humble tax paying class, read of beneficiaries who lie in bed until lunchtime & spend the rest of the day spaced out on dope bludging drinks down at the pub.

The fact that you can get out of bed early enough to arrive at the library at opening time & spend the rest of the day annoying those who pay your DPB speaks well of you.

You deserved to have today off &I hope you take on the challenge of Friday with renewed zest.
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November 10, 2011 8:11pm
reid

Wall Street firms — independent companies and the securities-trading arms of banks — are doing even better. They earned more in the first 21 / 2 years of the Obama administration than they did during the eight years of the George W. Bush administration, industry data show…

A recent study by two professors at the University of Michigan found that banks did not significantly increase lending after being bailed out. Rather, they used taxpayer money, in part, to invest in risky securities that profited from short-term price movements. The study found that bailed-out banks increased their investment returns by nearly 10 percent as a result…

“The too-big-to-fail banks got bigger profits and avoided failure because of trillions of dollars of loans directly from the Federal Reserve,” said Linus Wilson, assistant professor of finance at University of Louisiana at Lafayette. “Today, their profits are boosted by lower borrowing costs because their managers and creditors expect a Fed lifeline when markets get jittery.”

Banks also have benefited from the large increase during the recession in unemployment insurance. Increasingly, banks offer debit cards to the unemployed to collect their government benefits. These debit cards carry a range of fees that bolster banks’ bottom lines.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/wall-streets-resurgent-prosperity-frustrates-its-claims-and-obamas/2011/10/25/gIQAKPIosM_story.html?hpid=z1
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November 10, 2011 8:12pm
Steve

Stop it nasska, you will make him vote Liarbore and party vote Greens. Nah, he will just party vote, party party party
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November 10, 2011 8:16pm
slightlyrighty

Yippee!!!!!

I’ve had a post deleted on Red Alert!!!!!!!

I feel like I belong here now!!!!!!!!
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November 10, 2011 8:21pm
Scott Chris

Crikey Bereal, even I’m not stupid enough to argue with F E Smith about the process of New Zealand law.

F E Smith says:- “What you want, bereal, is a witch hunt of any judge that makes a decision of which you disapprove.”

Yup, and there’s the smell of that same sentiment to the Pike River inquiry. Okay, so some safety precautions weren’t followed, but since when was mining a safe occupation, and since when did workers not become complacent about safety rules?

Apparently they regularly stayed working in the mine ignoring the excessively dangerous levels of methane. Surely some personal responsibility has to be taken here?
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November 10, 2011 8:32pm
reid

Congratulations, sr.

I’m very jealous. I imagine it’s a bit like being blooded at the hunt, which I enjoyed quite a lot, when it happened.
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November 10, 2011 8:37pm
Steve

@ slightlyrightly
It is not that hard to do. Non talking boyfriend/girlfriend Trev and Clare will ban you for posting your elation on Kiwiblog.
Can you post there again and really piss them off? please, please
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November 10, 2011 8:38pm
reid

Gee, just when things are looking OK, what with Italy and all, China’s property market appears to be in a bit of a pickle. Crikey.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonchang/2011/11/06/property-prices-collapse-in-china-is-this-a-crash/

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,2096345,00.html?xid=newsletter-weekly
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November 10, 2011 8:49pm
Black with a Vengeance

Emboldened by polls showing a landslide win, King John has now laid his cards out for all to see by revealing plans, already in place, to selloff state assets immediately following his predicted coronation.

Hoping to capitalise on the honeymoon period following his ascension and with the opposition in probable disarray, the plans will be rushed through with the favoured urgency he is renowned for.

Despite it being a hugely unpopular policy even amongst his most loyal apologists he’s finally come out and equated a vote for him being a vote for asset sales.

Not content to foist this vile undermining of the nations wishes upon us he has also signalled that it his intention if elected to selloff whatever else turns a healthy profit for no other reason than he can.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Key-wont-rule-out-more-asset-sales/tabid/419/articleID/232337/Default.aspx

good on ya mate.
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November 10, 2011 9:26pm
bereal

F E Smith @ 7.30

“Go read the bail act” ….etc etc… Open your mind. ”

All i am saying is that, in the long run the people will win.
i don’t want a witch hunt.
Just let the judges who pass down their judgements be accountable to the people.
Who are they ?
Lets see justice done. that includes the names of the judges.

The court of common sense has found some judges wanting. Right ?
Two in particular recently have drawn down the spotlight of common sense.
What are their names ? Who are they?
Right thinking people know that they are wrong.

When they reach the top are they immune from critisism ?

We the people deserve to know, who are these that sit in judgement on us.

Would you rather that they remained anonymous ?

Like i said, you are wrong. So wrong.
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November 10, 2011 9:29pm
Black with a Vengeance

PUT THE PIPE DOWN BEREAL AND STEP AWAY FROM THE CRACK !!!
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November 10, 2011 9:33pm
Black with a Vengeance

Tonight on television was the first time i’d seen Key tie state asset sales firmly to the election campaign mast as the mandate upon which the people are voting solely for him on.

The nagging question is…

ARE STATE ASSET SALES NECCESSARY ?

I believe not, Labour believes not and that we can balance the books back into surplus without them within a reasonable time frame. Even so, if the projected surplus is achieved by Key’s time frame of 2014, why the need to then sell off even more assets or even signal their intention ?

Cue the ‘dynamic environment’ we live in, coded to mean HE’S LYING AGAIN and they really have cooked the books by banking the sale returns and continued revenue stream. Meaning…

“The moneys not there son”

…and theres more he’s earmarked for sale he hasn’t told us about yet.

It’s not enough that he’s probably lying about the 170 000 jobs his gov’t is creating over 4 yrs and wont show us where or how and it wont be enough til we’re in hock up the wazoo to his bankster mates with not a shit show of paying them back, not us, not our kids and not our kid’s kids.

To quote him from the perspective of a shonkey bankster regarding selling products detrimental to the global economy and in equating it to selling state assets…

“I mean they sold products that in their heart of hearts they must have known they wouldn’t be repaid for so I can understand that bit….”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ixv8sGXZK8&feature=player_embedded

Of course he understands he just lacks the moral fibre to do anything about it…

Key says he does not believe a moral issue arises for the traders who make these speculative attacks on currencies, or for the dealing rooms that carry out their orders. “I don’t really see it as a judgemental business. You’re simply executing orders for people.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/249633

…so i’m wondering who gives him his orders now ?

surely he must know in his heart of hearts selling state assets is fundamentally the wrong thing to do, but like getting out before the shit hit the fan with the GFC, i reckon he’ll do the same here.

I mean does anyone believe he’ll stick around when that shit goes down to live out his days in broke as fuck backwater hicksvile NZ ?…would you if you had flash digs in Hawai’i ?
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November 10, 2011 9:37pm
bereal

Confucious, he say,
Man have more hair on chest, but on the whole,
women have more hair.
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November 10, 2011 9:40pm
expat

Could you fuck off the somewhere Blackie, like the standard or the CTU offices. Good boy.
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November 10, 2011 9:41pm
Bodger

What is the deal with the Green party ads – does clicking on them cost the Greens money and enrich DPF?
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November 10, 2011 9:51pm
Black with a Vengeance

Nah, fuck you expat.

I’m a badass muthafucka !!!

John Key’s plan to sell $6.8 billion of state-owned assets means New Zealand’s 1.6 million households would have to come up with $4000 each to keep their share in assets they currently own, says Labour’s Finance spokesperson David Cunliffe.

“So much for John Key’s spin of selling these assets to Kiwi Mums and Dads”

“It’s an outrageous con. There’s absolutely no way Kiwi Mums and Dads can find $4000 each to buy back what is theirs already.”

“The only Kiwis who will be in John Key’s game will be the top 10 per cent of income earners and foreign investors, John Key’s play mates of choice,”

“Kiwi Mums and Dads can see through his hypocrisy. Two thirds of Kiwis are opposed to National’s planned sell-off. Assets like our power companies were built through the blood, sweat and tears of Kiwis and paid for over generations.”

“They are not National’s to sell,”

“Once they are sold, they are lost forever.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1106/S00341/keys-4000-con-on-kiwi-mums-and-dads.htm
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November 10, 2011 9:52pm
expat

Oh dear god, he’s a true knob gripping pinko troll.

Bodger – the ads costs the greens, the more they are generated the more they run down the kitty.
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November 10, 2011 9:59pm
Black with a Vengeance

can’t fault the logic or argue the point so reduced to infantile name calling eh expat ?

fair enough

try gutless fucking suckhole bitch on for size…suits you sir !
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November 10, 2011 10:07pm
expat

3 more years, 28% and there is a reason for that, Labour are shit and most of the country hates them.
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November 10, 2011 10:12pm
kowtow

Judges are to blame ,they give lame sentences. What’s the maximum for attempted murder?
I’d bet it’s a shit load more than 14 years.What about consequetive sentences?
And they are there to protect the public by applying the law.
Being able to apply for parole after 1/2 your time is bollocks.

bereal, I agree with you,eventually the people will win out against these legal prats and politicians . After all we expressed our will in referenda and we are the 80 -90 % and they are our employees.
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November 10, 2011 10:21pm
Black with a Vengeance

Come a time in the not too distant future when most of the country will probably look back in despair and wonder how could they have been so gullible to have voted for National in these elections.

…but he seemed like such a nice man, who’d have thunk he would have fucked us over, sold the silverware and scarpered.
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November 10, 2011 10:22pm
expat

people are *already* looking back thanking their lucky stars that Labour didn’t quite manage to cheat and bribe their way back into power to really fuck over the economy in the face of the GFC. Remember Cullen, ‘the GFC won’t affect New Zealand’ and ‘we didn’t lie about ACC liabilities’ in early 2008. NZ has had a lucky break getting a prudent country manager in troubled times.
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November 10, 2011 10:27pm
Black with a Vengeance

prudent country manager ?

are you talking about the twice rejected serial rorter who doesn’t know where he lives ?

you’re a cunny funt alright !
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November 10, 2011 10:29pm
expat

I’m talking about the PM who had the world financial press lauding NZ as a great place to invest last week, efinancial news 3rd Nov editition

Suck up 3 more years on a prt time contract..
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November 10, 2011 10:39pm
F E Smith

bereal,

you don’t make sense. Much of what you ask for is already available. It just isn’t served up to you on a platter.

You say that you want judges to be accountable, but you don’t say how. So, come on, let us know.

And judges definitely are not immune to criticism. Each appeal is a criticism of a judgment. But the fact is that of the hundreds of thousands of decisions made by judges each year, your criticism is based on an extreme minority of cases. At least one of those cases was actually properly decided according to law, just with a very unfortunate result several months afterwards. Judges are not psychic, nor are lawyers.

But I don’t think there is any argument that will satisfy you tonight, is there?
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November 10, 2011 10:41pm
Black with a Vengeance

The world financial press…got a link ?

so is this the same world financial press who couldn’t see the GFC coming ?…and if they did, kept it quiet so they could game it for all it’s worth before getting out before the shit hit the fan.
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November 10, 2011 10:44pm
reid

Judges are not psychic, nor are lawyers.

Really?

How come they’re so expensive then FES?

If they’re not even psychic?

???
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