General Debate 21 October 2011

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Nostradamus

Another day… another Labour-inspired cock-up?
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October 21, 2011 8:10am
plebe

Another day… another inspiring comment
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October 21, 2011 8:15am
dog_eat_dog

Labour – Returning to national awards and centrally controlled exchange rates. May God have mercy on us all.
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October 21, 2011 8:15am
thedavincimode

Inevitably Nostradamus.

So: Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Kim Jong Il, Karadzic, Helen Clark and now Gadaffi.

Who is the odd one out?

Gadaffi is the only one who wore a dress.
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October 21, 2011 8:16am
thedavincimode

dog tucker

Exactly. Someone commented recently about the Marty McFly policy platform. Its almost surreal.
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October 21, 2011 8:19am
Nostradamus

Has anyone else been following the scandal in Australia, where the Greens conspired with the Federal Ombudsman to ask pesky questions in a committee setting – and, in doing so, stuffed up the integrity of his office? Sarah Hansen-Young and Bob Brown still think it’s ok, and that people shouldn’t be picking on the Ombudsman. Unbelievable!
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October 21, 2011 8:20am
Inventory2

@ Nostradamus; yep; Clare Curran has tweeted again:

Clare Curran
@clarecurranmp Clare Curran
How did govt debt get so bad under this National Govt? blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011…

And the responses are coming thick and fast:

cjsbishop Christopher Bishop
@clarecurranmp one major reason – govt spending increased 50 percent in five years under Labour.

@Inventory2 Inventory2
@clarecurranmp Go back and read the 2008 PREFU; Cullen boasted about leaving the cupboard bare. Earthquakes don’t help either.

RamjamNZ Allan Buxton
@Inventory2 @clarecurranmp not only leave the cupboard bare, he left a grenade or 2 that was umm “forgotten” when the PREFU was presented

@scottmansellnz Scott Mansell
@clarecurranmp because they continued with programmes like WFF and student loans that are unaffordable

Why ask the question when you know you’re going to get those answers? For a so-called communications professional, Curran is at the centre of a helluva lot of PR gaffes. I certainly wouldn’t hire her!
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October 21, 2011 8:23am
KiwiGreg

I wonder what will be next in the Great Leap Backwards policies of the Labour wannabees. I’m thinking a return to tarriffs and import licencing “to ensure fair competition with NZ companies (rendered uneconomic by all our other policies)”.

Fortunately we have the edifying example of the Greeks to prove you cant vote yourself rich.
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October 21, 2011 8:23am
Nostradamus

Hey Plebe – have you checked with DPF before posting under another alias, despite being banned. I know who you are…
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October 21, 2011 8:24am
Jimbob

My uncle was talking to his pig hunting mate the other day and his mate said he brought a pig dog off a Maori chap. He went to try the dog out and was steeling up his knife before he left. As soon as he started sharpening up the knife, the dog took off and grabbed a sheep by the back leg. Hmmm. I wonder what that dog was used for.
It was in the Hawkes Bay.
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October 21, 2011 8:24am
Scott Chris

Adam Thompson Only Change In AB Line Up.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5826995/All-Blacks-unveil-same-starting-team-for-final

Judging by previous finals, this game will be a dour affair, but ABs to win easily. Go the two leagueys. Can’t wait.
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October 21, 2011 8:26am
Manolo

A reason to rejoice: the criminal Gaddafi is dead.
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October 21, 2011 8:29am
Inventory2

Another day; another brilliant cartoon from Rod Emmerson:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/10/emmerson-on-work-and-wages.html
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October 21, 2011 8:32am
Other_Andy

Nostradamus says:

“Hey Plebe – have you checked with DPF before posting under another alias, despite being banned. I know who you are…”

Don’t leave us in the dark.
People who are gaming the system should be exposed.
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October 21, 2011 8:32am
Other_Andy

Manolo (5,060) Says:

“A reason to rejoice: the criminal Gaddafi is dead.”

To be replaced by the next lot of criminals.
Fill pockets……..
Go.
To be replaced by the next lot of criminals.
Fill pockets……..
Go.

Welcome to the Middle East.
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October 21, 2011 8:36am
Inventory2

Nostradamus has started a guessing game. Can’t be Phillip Ure; not enough full-stops. Rogernome?
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October 21, 2011 8:37am
Scott Chris

Jimbob says:- “Hmmm. I wonder what that dog was used for.”

What has the fact that he bought it from a Maori got do do with anything?

Unless you train a dog not to do what comes naturally, then it will revert to its instinct. Doesn’t matter if it’s a pig dog or a poodle.

Once they attack a sheep once, they’re pretty well fucked.

Poor dog is probably dead now, or chained up 99% of the time. What a life eh?
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October 21, 2011 8:40am
Nostradamus

Other_Andy: I’ve been following Kiwiblog for 6 or so years. After a while you can pick certain posting styles. Inventory2 seems pretty good at spotting the losers too.
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October 21, 2011 8:41am
thedavincimode

I2

There are shades of Joe Average in his spirited communication style.
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October 21, 2011 8:44am
Nostradamus

TheDavinciMode nails it. I noticed Plebe a couple of weeks ago, and did a few Google checks to confirm my suspicions. Of course he’ll deny it, just like he did with his last nickname, “Paws”.

Well done, Sir. Your prize is lunch with, er, Phil Goff!
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October 21, 2011 8:50am
Other_Andy

thedavincimode says:

“….spirited communication style”

Is that a euphemism for ‘Incoherent ramblings’?
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October 21, 2011 8:51am
joana

Manolo
A reason to rejoice..I doubt it. A reason to dig a lot deeper and not accept everything at face value.
PG Good on you for entering politics. I wish you luck.
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October 21, 2011 8:54am
Nostradamus

Other_Andy:

Demerits
To deal with the more abusive and disruptive commenters, Kiwiblog is operating a demerit system. The general guide to demerit points will be:
…
John/JSF/Joe Average/ Roger Rabbit/Jock/Harry Glicken/paws 110 11-Sep-32 10 abusive e-mails to DPF

And even that doesn’t cover all the nicknames – we had JSF2000, for example. Guess DPF didn’t have a long enough column in his Demerits spreadsheet.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/02/general_debate_5_february_2011.html#comment-794280
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October 21, 2011 8:56am
thedavincimode

“Your prize is lunch with, er, Phil Goff!”

Regrettably I can’t make lunch with Phil as it conflicts with plans to spend two hours with my head in a vice staring at a blank wall. Just like having lunch with Goff I imagine.
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October 21, 2011 8:58am
sthn.jeff

WAKE UP HIPPIES IT IS NONE O’CLOCK!
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October 21, 2011 9:02am
Other_Andy

The Green Party and affiliated groups (Greenpeace), hoping to score political points, are trying to turn the spill into the next Exxon Valdez disaster.

Meanwhile Bay of Plenty locals are being urged to post pictures of their restored beaches on Facebook as tourism operators battle damaging perceptions that the region’s entire shoreline is blackened with oil.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10760632
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October 21, 2011 9:03am
Brian Smaller

Not a good time to be a secularist, atheist or Christian in Libya I suspect.
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October 21, 2011 9:16am
Nookin

Regretfully, so long as we have employers like this strident unions will gain traction.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5826363/Chef-paid-peanuts-for-9-month-stretch
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October 21, 2011 9:18am
Inventory2

I find it interesting that the CEO of Auckland Council has advised some councillors that the occupation of Aotea Square is illegal, but that he doesn’t seem to be interested in evicting the illegal occupiers. Come on Len Brown; which is more important; upholding the law, or your Leftie mates?
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October 21, 2011 9:27am
Brian Smaller

@Other-Andy – funny you should mention the Exxon Valdez. With all the furore over the Gulf of Mexico oil spill I was interested to read that natural oil seepage in the Gulf of Mexico is the equivalent of about three Exxon Valdez per year (the EV spilled 42,800 tonnes). The seepage from the Gulf of Mexico (140,000 tonnes) and the Santa Monica (20,000 tonnes) seeps averages 160,000 tons per year from just these two locations. This has been going on for possibly millenia. That fucking Gaia is a bitch – doesn’t she care about the birds?
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October 21, 2011 9:27am
freddos

When I read that bankrobber seeking to be MP thing I so thought it would be an NZ First candidate!

Actually I reckon its a ploy – it’s the Graf ‘brothers’ that are award-winning film makers and yet United chose the one with a conviction to run. This then gets his name in the news – enough to catch the attention of the anti-1080 lobby, but he’s placed safely down the list so there won’t be any of the awkwardness of having a convicted felon in the caucus.

If it’s a stunt it’s better thought out than planking I guess.
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October 21, 2011 9:42am
Fletch

Don’t know whether this will be old news to some, but someone posted a link on my facebook last night.

A company called Lytro is releasing a camera which will pretty much change photography as we know it. I know, it’s a bold statement, but I believe it’s true. The new camera doesn’t just capture a plain, it captures every single point of light and color, so you don’t need to focus the camera – you can focus it at any time after. They look like a small rectangular box and go on sale in 2012.

‘Unlike a conventional camera that captures a single plane of light, the Lytro camera captures the entire light field, which is all the light traveling in every direction in every point in space.

Since you’ll capture the color, intensity, and direction of all the light, you can experience the first major light field capability – focusing after the fact. Focus and re-focus, anywhere in the picture. You can refocus your pictures at anytime, after the fact.

And focusing after the fact, means no auto-focus motor. No auto-focus motor means no shutter delay. So, capture the moment you meant to capture not the one a shutter-delayed camera captured for you.’

Check the photo at the below link – you can click on it and change the focus whenever you like, as many times as you like –

http://www.wearethefrontier.com/revolution-in-photography-lytro-introduces-worlds-first-light-field-camera/

Also, check the video below of the camera in action –

http://www.viddler.com/explore/engadget/videos/3403/

I guess it had to happen sometime. Camera technology had to move forward again some time.
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October 21, 2011 9:44am
Fletch

That should be “capture a plane” in my last post, of course.
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October 21, 2011 9:49am
James Stephenson

Why ask the question when you know you’re going to get those answers? For a so-called communications professional, Curran is at the centre of a helluva lot of PR gaffes. I certainly wouldn’t hire her!

Whaleoil’s rules of politics. http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/10/whaleoils-rules-of-politics/

8. Never ask a question if you don’t already know the answer.

Clare, you’re doing it wrong.
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October 21, 2011 9:52am
Ryan Sproull

That’s fascinating, Fletch. Good find.
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October 21, 2011 10:02am
RRM

Oh look!

Blackberry service out for 3 days – road crash rates fall 20%…

http://www.thenational.ae/news/uae-news/blackberry-cuts-made-roads-safer-police-say

It’s almost as if using mobiles while driving was causing drivers to crash!

But nah, that would go completely against right-wing “I’ve got a right to do whatever I want and you can’t take that away from me!” doctrine…
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October 21, 2011 10:03am
Scott Chris

Brian Smaller says:- “That fucking Gaia is a bitch”

Not if your idea of “Gaia” is defined as simply a function of amoral Natural Law, which has evolved to produce self consciousness and self determination in the form of Human Beings.

Thing is Brian, you ARE Gaia.

Nothing mystical about it at all.
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October 21, 2011 10:05am
Elaycee

@RRM – forgotten your happy face this morning?

Has a big black, hairy dog come along and humped your rubber duck?

Cheer up – its a long weekend / RWC final etc. And only a few weeks to the election. 🙂
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October 21, 2011 10:12am
RRM

Brian Smaller:

So… if I buy enough buckets of paint do do my whole house, take the tops off them, and throw them at the front door, the average consistency of paint coverage I’ll get over my whole house will be no different than if I’d used brushes & rollers to spread the paint around all 4 walls?

Fascinating!
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October 21, 2011 10:15am
Other_Andy

@RRM

And now repeat the same process under water.
Guess what…..
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October 21, 2011 10:22am
Scott Chris

Other_Andy

If Gaia was a man, and as all men do, was secreting oil from a million different sebaceous glands, then he’d probably feel suitably lubricated.

If all that oil were suddenly to come out of his arsehole, he’d probably make a mess of his underpants.

Of course, I, talking Valdez here, not Rena. Rena’s a skidmark.
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October 21, 2011 10:48am
Other_Andy

@SC

Brian was talking about natural seepage from just two spots (160,000 tons per year from just these two locations), not a million different sebaceous glands.
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October 21, 2011 10:52am
Scott Chris

Other_Andy

Analogies only go so far. The point I was making was that seepage over a year in a vast expanse of ocean without overwhelming the natural dispersal mechanisms is different from one explosive diarrhearic convulsion.
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October 21, 2011 11:02am
thedavincimode

RRM

Stick with that concept. You may have cracked the next great home maintenance franchising system.

Be careful tho’. Ms D Fenton wouldn’t like another self-start lefty entrepeneur crossing to the dark side. 🙂
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October 21, 2011 11:03am
thedavincimode

Goodness Scott. Then why didn’t you just say so! 🙂
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October 21, 2011 11:04am
backster

Christmas comes early, at least for the crims http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/5821550/100-000-fines-wiped
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October 21, 2011 11:21am
Murray

Well didn’t facebook do a nice job of deleting the page of someone posing as me and trying to lure my friends.

If you’re going to pretend to be me expect everyone I ever met to ask you what an onager is as a security question fool.

The IP information is interesting though.
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October 21, 2011 11:50am
Scott Chris

thedavincimode says:- “Then why didn’t you just say so”

In politics, it particularly pays to paint a picture when preaching and pontificating. 🙂
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October 21, 2011 12:02pm
reid

This is quite interesting. Data collation resulting in a global visual showing cross-ownership of all the trans-national companies. Which can be subjected to stress analysis to indicate areas of weakness and instability.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2051008/Does-super-corporation-run-global-economy.html
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October 21, 2011 12:33pm
reid

Stupid ole Obama bumbles along.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8834859/White-House-accused-of-Barack-Obama-green-screen-trickery.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2050568/President-Obamas-podium-stolen-Thieves-steal-truck-Teleprompter-inside.html

You know it’s OK having a stoopid Pres but why does he have to be so indolent, as well?

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/obama_the_accidental_president.html
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October 21, 2011 12:48pm
DJP6-25

Fletch 9:44. Thanks for that post. New technology is often very interesting.

cheers

David Prosser
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October 21, 2011 12:51pm
KevinH

Weirdness of the Week award goes to NZ First ex candidate Joe Glenn for demonstrating his urine therapy technique on live tv. Appearing on Close Up last night Winston defended his decision to dump Glenn as a candidate and fumbled his way through a disdainful interview with Sainsbury looking for suitable explanations as to why Glenn was not suitable.
With that in mind, have any other candidates got likewise habits?
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October 21, 2011 12:54pm
reid

Update on the US economy.

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/the-new-reality-for-u-s-cities-no-money-for-street-lights-roving-packs-of-wild-dogs-and-open-air-drug-markets

Sad isn’t it. Those big cities already have a large and growing number of literally millions of young, angry, unemployed people with powerful handguns and full automatic weapons. The prognosis is dreadful.
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October 21, 2011 12:59pm
reid

Appearing on Close Up last night Winston defended his decision to dump Glenn as a candidate and fumbled his way through a disdainful interview with Sainsbury looking for suitable explanations as to why Glenn was not suitable.

Yes I imagine even Winston would have struggled to have come up with a good way to spin it, when he first heard about it.

It’s a shame he wasn’t standing for Liarbore, it would have been even funnier watching Goff do it. If I were him, I would have pretended I was busy elsewhere and asked Silent-T to fill in for me.

I feel a bit sorry for the guy though, he is ex-SAS. Those guys are taught to eat and drink anything to survive, just like Bear Grills. So it’s nothing to them to do stuff like that. He was doing it for his arthritis, one glass a day, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually does work. So he didn’t really mean anything by it, he probably just thought, good publicity. Naturally enough your average man and woman in the street probably struggle to understand his thinking and one assumes there won’t be a sudden rush for medical advice on this treatment from arthritis sufferers across the land, but who knows, maybe there will be.
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October 21, 2011 1:12pm
Mick Mac

Brian Smaller (3,250) Says:
October 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am

Yeah, arab spring my arse!
islamic takeover financed by the dhimmis idiots.
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October 21, 2011 2:21pm
Mick Mac

Bacster
The largest tally wiped was $27,543.12 owed by Hemi Tukinotetiu Paki, 24, of Picton. It was replaced by 150 hours’ community work.

He was also sentenced to 12 months intensive supervision and disqualified for six months after previously admitting driving dangerously on Waikawa Rd on September 17.

merely makes me wonder why we have a judiciary at all.
sack the lot of them and replace them with ordinary people over 50.
a bench of 3 men and women would do the job just as well.
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October 21, 2011 2:24pm
freddos

@reid: “He was doing it for his arthritis, one glass a day, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it actually does work.”

In what possible way could that work?! (at least a vague scientific explanation please)

This would have made an interesting NZ First campaign pledge, however – free urine for all arthritis sufferers! (a vote winner for the oldies indeed)
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October 21, 2011 2:29pm
Pete George

Sounds like “recommended” urine treatment and sounds plausible.

Drinking urine is less unhealthy than inhaling tobacco smoke.
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October 21, 2011 2:40pm
Pete George

Forgot link: http://www.ehow.com/way_5579294_urine-therapies-arthritis.html
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October 21, 2011 2:44pm
Mick Mac

Will the UN apologise to the libyan people and make reparations for supporting the regime?

won’t hold my breath.
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October 21, 2011 2:45pm
backster

Reid/Pete George……….Here a better link http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/urine.htm The monkey at bottom of page shows how it is done. He doesn’t need a glass.
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October 21, 2011 3:09pm
Zapper

Spending $1000 on a rugby match is selfish

For some reason I find this really offensive. I’m flying in from Melbourne tonight for a family event (not a happy one) and managed to get one of the tickets released on Wednesday. Who the f**k has the right to call me selfish for that without having a clue what else I do?
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October 21, 2011 3:41pm
freddos

@PG I won’t deny that drinking urine is more healthy than smoking, but that link is full of basic medical errors that they then draw odd conclusions from. And there is no link to any research or any reputable scientific source.

Their logic: most arthritis is auto-immune + toxins in urine ‘vaccinate’ against toxins in the body => arthritis stopped as trigger is vaccinated against.

Basic issues:
– most arthritis is degenerative i.e. wear and tear and is not immune-mediated.
– the suggestion you can ‘vaccinate’ against toxins such as urea shows very limited insight into the immunology of how vaccines work (and probably explains the anti-vaccination lobby links also).

Presumably any benefit anecdotally reported is psychological or perhaps just reflects that if you’re willing to drink your own urine for your health then one would guess you’d be pretty strict on health in general.

You were probably baiting me but I had to respond!
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October 21, 2011 3:44pm
Pete George

No freddos, not baiting, I was just lazy and linked to the first one I found. It’s not something I feel pressing need to research thoroughly, I don’t think I’ll get quizzed much on it on the election trail.
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October 21, 2011 3:47pm
freddos

Oh I wouldn’t be so sure… Now that NZ First has raised it as their only election issue so far I’m sure it will be right up there: 1) economy, 2) urine drinking for arthritis to decrease massive health expenditure on joint replacements, then Rena, Earthquake recovery, Colin Craig’s scary billboards etc.
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October 21, 2011 4:15pm
Scott Chris

Pete George says:- “Sounds like “recommended” urine treatment and sounds plausible.”

So what is the magic ingredient that our bodies choose to expel, and that science has been unable to synthesize and market into inoffensive pill form Pete?

Urine is sterile, and is composed mainly of excess water, urea, and toxins.

I mean, there is probably a good reason why our bodies don’t want it….

Full marks for being open minded though. Perhaps you can convince your mate Dunne to be equally so.
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October 21, 2011 4:16pm
Other_Andy

Just a reminder
(No need to pack a lunch it seems)

The Oakland-based Family Radio International that stirred a global frenzy when it predicted the rapture would take 200 million Christians to heaven on May 21, now says the cataclysmic event will destroy the globe on Friday.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10760678
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October 21, 2011 4:23pm
reid

In what possible way could that work?!

I’m not quite sure myself freddo, bio-chemically. Just not really sure at all. Unless the stuff has some really magical properties the rest of humanity don’t know about.

It was really just a general conclusion based on the fact that if it didn’t make any difference to his arthritis then he probably wouldn’t have gone ahead and done it, every day. I mean, I wouldn’t, if it didn’t work.

Perhaps this is the special forces hidden secret. Perhaps the SAS, Seals, Spetznaz and all of them, all do it. Perhaps this is why they’re so muscly and fast.

Let’s just hope this doesn’t result in a ‘fad’ amongst young men and women hoping to get into the SAS. That would be an appalling tragedy, wiping Rena straight off the headlines and into history.

I wonder what sort of jokes people are making up about NZF and urine, right about now. What a shame. And on the eve of the election, and all. Wonder if Laws is going to discuss it on his show?
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October 21, 2011 4:34pm
Scott Chris

Interesting story about the Alchemist Hennig Brand, who discovered phosphorus by storing hundreds of gallons of urine back in 1669 and boiling it down.

He was convinced the yellow colour was actually gold.

Plausible thought for that era. No one would dream of having wacky ideas about wee wee these days……

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennig_Brand
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October 21, 2011 5:35pm
nasska

Scott Chris

His hundreds of gallons of piss probably cost him a bit of gold back then. In the days the resident theological whacko would have us return to people used to collect the family urine & sell it to tanneries which used it as part of the process of manufacturing leather.

Hence the old saying of “being too poor to afford a pot to piss in.”
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October 21, 2011 5:56pm
Johnboy

This really ugly woman goes to her GP and says.

“Doctor, I have never had a date in my whole life, men just don’t seem to be attracted to me, do I have a disease?”

The quack hasn’t the heart to tell her she is as ugly as sin so sends her to Doctor Chang a specialist in affairs of the heart.

She explains her predicament to Doctor Chang and he says. “Ah so”.

“I want you to remove all your crothes and get on your hands and knees and clawl away flom me and then back toward me”.

This she does and Doctor Chang says. “Ah so, I have diagnosed your ploblem, you have Zachery’s disease”.

“Zachery’s disease, she says”. “Is it fatal Doctor Chang?”

“Oh no”. Says Doctor Chang. “It not fatal just inclurable”.

“What does this mean for me Doctor Chang?” She asks.

“It mean your face look zachery like your arse”. The good Doctor replies.
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October 21, 2011 6:20pm
nasska

Johnboy

Speaking of those who missed their appointment with the beauty fairy, did you get back those two coils of ten gauge you sent up to Auckland. I read in the news that the Auckland protesters were constructing barricades in case the authorities tried to move them on.

It struck me that Water Woman could be knitting barbed wire to keep the unwashed away from the World Cup supporters.
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October 21, 2011 6:27pm
Johnboy

I’m attempting to get my legal counsel onto that very case at the moment nasska but he is unavailable and not answering his phone as he is preparing to have tea and bickies with Obummer. 🙂
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October 21, 2011 6:30pm
Scott Chris

nasska

Well I try to pee outside as much as possible. Great for the brassicas. When I was living up north, the composting toilet produced the most potent fertilizer imaginable.

Funny thing though. People were reluctant to accept my surplus veges for some reason….

Any way, here’s alchemist Hennig Brand’s recipe for finest quality phosphorus:

1) Boil urine to reduce it to a thick syrup.
2) Heat until a red oil distills up from it, and draw that off.
3) Allow the remainder to cool, where it consists of a black spongy upper part and a salty lower part.
4) Discard the salt, mix the red oil back into the black material.
5) Heat that mixture strongly for 16 hours.
6) First white fumes come off, then an oil, then phosphorus.
7) The phosphorus may be passed into cold water to solidify.

Then decant into attractive jam jars and distribute as Christmas presents.
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October 21, 2011 7:34pm
Johnboy

How do you tell if the lower part is salty Scott? 🙂
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October 21, 2011 7:38pm
nasska

Scott Chris

Just knock my name off your Xmas shopping list……ta!
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October 21, 2011 7:43pm
nasska

The stockbroker was nervous about being in prison because his
cellmate looked like a real thug.

“Don’t worry,” the gruff looking fellow said, “I’m in here for a white
collar crime too.”

“Well, that’s a relief,” sighed the stockbroker. “I was sent to
prison for fraud and insider trading.”

“Oh nothing fancy like that for me,” grinned the convict. “I just
murdered a couple of priests and a shrink.”
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October 21, 2011 8:01pm
philu

moronic thugbys booing cooper…

makes nz look good..eh..?

phil(whoar.co.nz)
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October 21, 2011 8:35pm
Pete George

I’m hearing more and more that the Occupy squatters are losing whatever support they might have had by outstaying their welcomes.
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