General Debate 17 October 2011

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Peter

Are any of these Auckland protesters collecting benefits, largely funded by the likes of Fonterra?
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October 17, 2011 8:05am
Brian Smaller

Aussie Sportsmanship – James O’Connor. Look how he responded to a gut wrenching defeat. He was the youngest guy on the field and reacted like a true sportsman older than he is. The way he congratulated the team that had just gutted his own was just wonderful. I might boo Quade Cooper but I will cheer O’Connor.
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October 17, 2011 8:12am
Other_Andy

@Brian

Yep, O’Connor is a rising star.
We will see a lot more of him in the future (Unfortunately for the All Blacks).
On the way to the dressing room the Australians lined up to applaud the All Blacks (Great sportsmanship) who filed past and several of the All Blacks shook James’ hand.
Four more years…..
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October 17, 2011 8:24am
Manolo

We’re never short of savages, aren’t we? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10759266
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October 17, 2011 8:39am
Scott Chris

Shock Horror!! Stuff.co.nz Switch Headline:

7am it read: New Phone Book Form Of Elderly Abuse!
8.30am it reads: New Phone Book Blinder For The Elderly!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5794345/New-phone-book-a-blinder-for-elderly-says-reader

I guess some old codger rang up and complained.
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October 17, 2011 8:40am
Murray

Oh look how cute, Scott has someone to hate, all is right with the world. Tomorrow hes going to kick the crutches out from under a one legged man and explain that its a good thing.

You’re really quite a sad lonley wee man aren’t you Scotty.
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October 17, 2011 8:45am
Scott Chris

Murray whines:- “Tomorrow hes going to kick the crutches out from under a one legged man”

Crikey I needed a laugh! Your the only one complaining Murray.

As you so regularly do.

You aren’t the old codger who rang up Stuff are you?

Or are you the old fella who couldn’t be bothered puttin on his glasses.

Or perhaps it was your wife Elaycee who complained…. yeah, that makes more sense.
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October 17, 2011 9:03am
Inventory2

Anyone seen Big Bruv or MNIJ since 11pm last night?

Bruv has ranted for four years about how much he was looking forward to coming on here after the All Blacks choked in the semi-finals once again. All I can say to him is that I hope that all the smiling faces around him today don’t send him into a fit of despair.

Some of us like to celebrate success, and others like to drag everyone down to their level. All I can say to the likes of Big Bruv and MNIJ is this; the All Blacks won; you lost; suck on that!
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October 17, 2011 9:19am
Lance

So are like all the ……………………. people…………… who supported Aus only because they thought a Cantabrian should be coach and not an Aucklander feeling like shit?
Or have they quietly shifted allegiance and were really supporting the ABs all along?
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October 17, 2011 9:24am
dog_eat_dog

Why was that game the acid test for Henry vs. Deans? Surely any doubt was removed once Deans racked up the worst losing streak in Australian rugby history? I’m happy Henry gave us three and a half years of dominant rugby as well, it’s a long time between drinks if the only thing you care about is the World Cup.
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October 17, 2011 9:32am
Nookin

Lance
I think Henry hails from Canterbury. Place of origin was not an issue. It was the way NZRU handled it. Henry redeemed himself. Good on him (with a little help from some other stout “Cantabrians in the form of Smith, Hansen, McCaw et al).
Don’t knock Deans. He has brought forward some really exciting players and their time will come. Proof? How many people were absolutley confidant that Ione,Genia, Justin Bieber and co weren’t going to whip it from under our noses? Cooper had an absolute shocker. Not the coach’s fault.
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October 17, 2011 9:39am
Manolo

Fellow travellers, useful idiots, communists, anarchists, parasites, socialists, nihilists, bludgers, do-gooders and other imbeciles of the world, unite!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049486/Global-protests-Occupy-London-Stock-Exchange-takes-City.html
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October 17, 2011 9:43am
rouppe

It would be magnificent if Eden Park rocked to the sound of “Allez le noir” during the final…
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October 17, 2011 9:51am
tristanb

Just when you thought you were safe from the TV licence fee…

Labour promises to impose a “levy” on internet use to allow us all to download great NZ shows. Like Shortland Street, Jackson’s Wharf, or the musical stylings of Annabelle Fay.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5794027/Labour-reveals-radical-internet-ideas

Sure, they could just put them on the net, and charge people who want to DL them, but the artists get more money if they get every NZer to pay, and the great thing is that you don’t have to be good at singing. You can make a self-indulgent movie that’s a ripoff of Napoleon Dynamite (Eagle vs. Shark) and make money.

But it’s win-win: Performing “artists” get free money for their unsellable crap, and famous people associate themselves with your political party.

This is Clare Curran’s idea. I’ve come to the conclusion that she is really stupid. And she seems to enjoy taking people’s money and giving it to other people.
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October 17, 2011 10:14am
MT_Tinman

NZ haven’t won the bloody thing yet!

It’s taken the lying loser eight years and the destruction of NZ domestic rugby to make a final.

Whoopee shit!
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October 17, 2011 10:17am
Lance

NZ celebrates while Tinman is in Grinch mode

Any reason for such acidic moribundness?

A Deans supporter?
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October 17, 2011 10:25am
Mick Mac

http://joannenova.com.au/2011/10/pickering-climate-scare-ripe-for-mocking/

great cartoon.
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October 17, 2011 10:44am
Inventory2

@ Tinman “the destruction of NZ domestic rugby” – did you not watch the ITM Cup just a few weeks ago? This would have to be the most competitive domestic season for many years. One level down, the Heartland Championship has been a fantastic development.

Domestic rugby is in great heart IMHO.
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October 17, 2011 10:49am
MyNameIsJack

IV2, I’m here.

And I thought the score was Kanagroos 42, Kiwis 6.

And with Le Coqs currently $7 at TAB, I think it looks a good bet.
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October 17, 2011 11:31am
3-coil

Last week or 2, whenever I log onto Kiwiblog my screen freezes and I get a pop up warning me that a script is running that is slowing my computer, my computer may become unresponsive, and would I like to stop it? (Yes please!)

Besides wasting a minute or so every time I log on, it is a total pain in the arse – anyone know how to stop it permanently?
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October 17, 2011 11:33am
Scott Chris

Jack says:- “I think it looks a good bet.”

jesusonanallnightbender!! Don’t think you can wriggle outta this one Jack.

Time to do penance. Now write 10 times:

“I love and respect John Key”
“I love and respect John Key”
“I love and respect John Key”
“I love and…….etc
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October 17, 2011 11:40am
Elaycee

Awful news just out of Las Vegas that Indy 500 winner 33 year old Brit Dan Wheldon was killed today during the Indy race.

Kiwis Scott Dixon and Wade Cunningham were not involved in a fiery crash that took 14 of the 34 cars out of the race on lap 12 of the scheduled 200 laps. The race was called as a result of the accident.

Wheldon was one of the nice guys of motor sport. Very sobering news indeed.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/16/us/indycar-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
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October 17, 2011 11:56am
Lance

Bloody hell, what a terrible smash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn08nh7zoto&feature=player_embedded#!
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October 17, 2011 12:11pm
Inventory2

Awful news about Dan Wheldon. I just watched it on Youtube, and had to turn it off before the impact on the in-car shot; just horrifying. As Elaycee noted he was one of the good guys of the sport, and a former team-mate of Scott Dixon’s at Chip Ganassi Racing. His three-year win drought ended this year when he won the Indy 500, and he had just secured a ride for next season. Thoughts and prayers are with his wife Susi and their two young boys.
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October 17, 2011 12:22pm
nasska

3-coil

Have a look at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/175500 & you may find your answer. As an IT dinosaur I google error messages as they appear….someone usually has the answer.

Then ditch Internet Explorer & run Firefox…you’ll never regret the move.
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October 17, 2011 12:23pm
MT_Tinman

Inventory2 (6,883) Says:
October 17th, 2011 at 10:49 am
@ Tinman “the destruction of NZ domestic rugby” – did you not watch the ITM Cup just a few weeks ago?

Yes, I watched the Good Guys, minus 10 players stolen by a professional team (7 forwards, 3 backs including two first fives), win an NPC that was of very low standard by winning a final that was of even lower standard.
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October 17, 2011 1:15pm
3-coil

nasska – thanks for that, I’ll give it a try.
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October 17, 2011 1:19pm
adze

Speaking of browser issues, I notice that the iOS 5 upgrade of the Safari browser doesn’t seem to like the silly WordPress toolbar at the top of the KB window. It occasionally jumps down the page and drags a scrolled window back up…
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October 17, 2011 1:23pm
Lee01

@ Inventory 2

All I can say to the likes of Big Bruv and MNIJ

Both of them never seem to have anything positive to say about anything. Just hate and negativity.

Anyway, watched the match projected onto a huge back wall last night. Like being at the movies 🙂

Fantastic game. I admit I was nervous at the start, but the AB’s dominated through the whole game. Well done lads.
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October 17, 2011 1:25pm
MyNameIsJack

How’s the lying going Lee? Doesn’t seem you can stop.
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October 17, 2011 1:40pm
Lance

MNIJ

Stop the trolling, it’s getting old
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October 17, 2011 1:43pm
Lee01

Your a very sad person aren’t you Jack. Your so full of hate for the God you still clearly believe in. What happenned in your life? You like to claim you no longer believe but the fact that you cannot stop this bizzarre and obsessive stalking of me is proof that you still do. Its what in counselling, and poker, is called a “tell”, a behaviour which reveals your real thoughts.

God still loves you Jack.
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October 17, 2011 1:45pm
Scott Chris

Yeah bad news about the racing driver. He chose to go at 300 kmh, but there ya go.

In other news, some kid in Southland died when his mate wrapped his car around a lamp post, but who gives a fuck?

He wasn’t good looking or famous, and he completely refused to die in an interesting manner.
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October 17, 2011 1:46pm
Lance

@Lee01
Maybe it’s time to stop feeding the troll?
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October 17, 2011 1:47pm
MyNameIsJack

Slactivist points out that no less than four Republican candidates have claimed that God called them to run. Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Herman Cain all state regularly that they are in the race at least partly due to the wishes of the Lord.

I know this is never actually going to happen, but wouldn’t it be magnificently awkward if reporters would start asking the candidates about each other’s divine mandate? You know, “So, Governor Perry, Senator Bachmann here has said that she regularly receives assurance from The Lord that she is meant to run. Do you feel that she is incorrect?”
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October 17, 2011 1:47pm
Lee01

I intend to.
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October 17, 2011 1:48pm
Lance

@Scott Chris
Do you ever have positive thoughts… like ever?
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October 17, 2011 1:49pm
Scott Chris

Lance

Any death is a fucking tragedy for those left to mourn. That’s my point. Why do we not treat all death the same when it doesn’t directly affect us.

I just see it as culturally ingrained hypocrisy, so I point it out.

Dan Wheldon drove cars fucking fast for a living. It’s not as if we’ve lost a great scientist or humanitarian.
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October 17, 2011 2:07pm
MyNameIsJack

Lee01 (1,461) Says:

October 17th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Your a very sad person aren’t you Jack.

Nope, quite happy, actually. Sun is shining, everything is right with the world.

Your so full of hate for the God you still clearly believe in.

Nope, can’t hate what doesn’t exist. But by the beard of Mohammed’s chin, a lot of god’s followers piss me off.

God still loves you Jack.

Just one more of your lies.
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October 17, 2011 2:07pm
MyNameIsJack

Lee01,

Religion is like a penis.

It’s fine to have one.

It’s fine to be proud of it.

But please don’t whip it out in public and wave it around.

And please, please, do not try to stuff it down children’s throats.
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October 17, 2011 2:08pm
nasska

MNIJ

Well said…keep them both R18.
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October 17, 2011 2:12pm
backster

This seems to indicate that the crims are getting the message and three strikes is working so why don’t they say so.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10759529
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October 17, 2011 2:14pm
Lee01

The Chain Will Break in the Center.

The coming collapse of the Eurozone:

http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/euro-centric/the-chain-will-break-in-the-center/
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October 17, 2011 2:16pm
Manolo

The Grand Master in doublespeak, the one whose campaign was funded by large donations from Wall St. now supports the mob of discontents, rabble-rousers and protesters: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/052226f8-f80c-11e0-a419-00144feab49a.html#axzz1azvCJVft
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October 17, 2011 2:21pm
MyNameIsJack

Just had a truck ahead of me, loaded with old iron. Phone number was 0800 SELLSCRAP.

As i drove past, I notice the driver was wearing a dog collar. Guess the number was 0800 SELLS CRAP.
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October 17, 2011 2:22pm
Lee01

Manalo

This is the same Obama who bailed out the corporations in the first place. Doublespeak indeed. Rank hypocrisy also come to mind.
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October 17, 2011 2:25pm
Nookin

MNIJ
Saw that on a photo of a road sign. That where you got it?
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October 17, 2011 2:26pm
Scott Chris

Here’s a funny juxtaposition of road signs (note the sign in the background)

http://www.carhirex.com/sites/carhirex.com/files/funny-road-sign-elderly-cemetery.jpg

I know old Murray will like this one, seeing as he’s such a Grey Power advocate.
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October 17, 2011 2:40pm
joana

So under the heading in the Herald today..Rena Oil Spill missing 12 m cover ”Govt Error , Steven Joyce is going to meet with MS Company and ”make sure they understand how NZers see things..” This sounds like a noble cause. Pity Steven Joyce has no comprehension of how many NZers see him..arrogant , inexperienced , promoted way beyond his abiliites , the list goes on.
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October 17, 2011 2:44pm
Other_Andy

@joanna

Alarmist headline grabbing nonsense.

“If the sky falls, we’ll all wear a blue hat”.
We haven’t lost or are not missing anything (yet).
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October 17, 2011 3:21pm
Manolo

Interesting article: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/10/16/herman-cain-newsweek-profile-calls-obama-terrible-fires-back-at-critics.html
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October 17, 2011 3:55pm
thedavincimode

Disaster.

Harold Camping is now predicting the world will end on Friday night.

What sort of a God would do that before the final, especially after the way the ABs played? Will (s)he let the Taffs and the Aussies duke it out for the wooden spoon or will he pull the pin on them also?

masterley

You don’t have much time to replenish the wine cellar.
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October 17, 2011 4:03pm
nasska

thedavincimode

As luck would have it Kiwiblog has its fair share of followers who keep in regular communication with Big Daddy yet maintain a tenuous contact with the real world through rugby. I’m certain that they will intercede on our behalf & allow the RWC to be played before the plug is pulled.

Could be one hell of a closing ceremony!
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October 17, 2011 4:15pm
Pete George

davinci – hell, that’s nearly as bad as letting the French beat us in the quarter final in 2007.
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October 17, 2011 4:20pm
Other_Andy

Protesters occupy Auckland Uni clocktower

An anti-capitalist protest in Auckland has spread to Auckland University, where around 80 people have occupied the campus clocktower.
Socialist Aotearoa spokesman Joe Carolan told NZ Newswire the protesters were from the Occupy Auckland movement, and another group called We Are The University.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/10482691/protesters-occupy-auckland-uni-clocktower/

They don’t get enough attention.
Where is Robyn Malcolm………..!

Or it is starting to rain in Aotea Square
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October 17, 2011 5:37pm
joana

You are entitled to your opinions Andy and I am entitled to mine.
Taito Philip Field got 6 years so why is he out in 2?
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October 17, 2011 5:41pm
Elaycee

Other_Andy: “Socialist Aotearoa spokesman Joe Carolan….”

Of course. The same Joe Carolan from UNITE and ULOWAD (Usual List Of Wankas And Dissidents). And at his side will be the dutiful Water Woman hell bent on finding her latest conspiracy.

Quelle surprise……
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October 17, 2011 5:48pm
wat dabney

Good little piece explaining the overwhelming case for cheap, plentiful natural gas over expensive, unreliable, bird chopping wind turbines.

“Wind turbines slice thousands of birds of prey in half every year, including white-tailed eagles in Norway, golden eagles in California, wedge-tailed eagles in Tasmania…According to a study in Pennsylvania, a wind farm with eight turbines would kill about 200 bats a year. The pressure wave from the passing blade just implodes the little creatures’ lungs. You and I can go to jail for harming bats or eagles; wind companies are immune…The wind farm requires eight tonnes of an element called neodymium, which is produced only in Inner Mongolia, by boiling ores in acid leaving lakes of radioactive tailings so toxic that no creature goes near them…The gas well requires no subsidy — in fact it pays a hefty tax to the government — whereas the wind turbines each cost you a substantial add-on to your electricity bill, part of which goes to the rich landowner whose land they stand on…Wind power costs three times as much as gas-fired power. Make that nine times if the wind farm is offshore. And that’s assuming the cost of decommissioning the wind farm is left to your children — few will last 25 years.”

http://www.spectator.co.uk/essays/all/7308923/say-no-to-wind-farms-shale-of-the-century.thtml
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October 17, 2011 5:54pm
Other_Andy

@Joanna

“You are entitled to your opinions Andy and I am entitled to mine.”

Absolutely.
However, don’t confuse opinion with facts.
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October 17, 2011 5:54pm
Weihana

MyNameIsJack (2,359) Says:
October 17th, 2011 at 2:08 pm

lmao.
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October 17, 2011 6:26pm
KH

I can not see a reason why the Germans would bail out anybody. Nor why would anybody else do it. The Icelandic Government refused to socialise private bank losses. Seemed sensible to me. The Irish Government on the other hand did promise to pay the private bank debts. Weird – and why would you do it.
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October 17, 2011 6:39pm
KH

Todays top 10 at http://www.interest.co.nz contains this nugget.
“If you want to head off fascism, you need a politician who will stand up to bankers,”
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October 17, 2011 7:02pm
wat dabney

The Economics of Hot Flight Attendants

“When deregulation came along, however, it became apparent that as much as male customers might have enjoyed the eye candy, they weren’t willing to pay for it. Higher quality might seem like a good thing, but it’s really only good if the benefit exceeds the cost. More attractive staff can command higher wages. The airlines could have continued to pay them, if the higher quality had attracted more customers. But as it turns out, most people just wanted to get where they were going, fast and cheap.”

http://agoraphilia.blogspot.com/2011/10/pan-am-and-economics-of-hot-flight.html
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October 17, 2011 7:36pm
Other_Andy

@wat dabney (848) Says:

“But I’m just old enough to remember flying in the 1970s, and I recall stewardesses who really were, in fact, hot.”

Glen did obviously not fly Continental Ailines in the 70s
The oldest aircraft with the oldest stewards and stewardesses.

And yes, they were the cheapest back then.
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October 17, 2011 7:42pm
wat dabney

But Air Singapore man, Air Singapore.
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October 17, 2011 7:44pm
Scott Chris

Speaking of attractive flight attendants, I’m looking forward to the emergence of “Hooters Airways”

Imagine the fun during turbulence……

Hell, I’d pay the pilot to bunny hop the clutch.

{Planes do have clutches, don’t they? I mean, they gotta change gear y’know.}
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October 17, 2011 7:55pm
nasska

Scott Chris

Nah….they’re automatics.
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October 17, 2011 7:58pm
nasska

A man walks into a bar, notices a very large jar on the counter, and sees that it’s filled to the brim with $10 bills. He guesses there must be at least ten thousand dollars in it. He approaches the bartender and asks, “What’s with the money in the jar?”

“Well…, you pay $10, and if you pass three tests, you get all the money in the jar and the keys to a brand new Lexus.”

The man certainly isn’t going to pass this up, so he asks, “What are the three tests?”

“You gotta pay first,” says the bartender, “those are the rules.”

So, after thinking it over a while, the man gives the bartender $10 which he stuffs into the jar.

“Okay,” says the bartender, “here’s what you need to do:

“First – You have to drink a whole quart of tequila, in 60 seconds or less, and you can’t make a face while doing it.”

“Second – There’s a pit bull chained in the back with a bad tooth. You have to remove that tooth with your bare hands.”

“Third – There’s a 90-year old lady upstairs who’s never had sex. You have to take care of that problem.”

The man is stunned! “I know I paid my $10 — but I’m not an idiot! I won’t do it! You’d have to be nuts to drink a quart of tequila and then do all those other things!”

“Your call,” says the bartender, “but, your money stays where it is.”

As time goes on, the man has a few more drinks and finally says, “Where’s the damn tequila?!”

He grabs the bottle with both hands and drinks it as fast as he can. Tears stream down both cheeks — but he doesn’t make a face — and he drinks it in 58 seconds!
Next, he staggers out the back door where he sees the pit bull chained to a pole. Soon, the people inside the bar hear loud growling, screaming, and sounds of a terrible fight — then nothing but silence!

Just when they think that the man surely must be dead, he staggers back into the bar. His clothes are ripped to shreds and he’s bleeding from bites and gashes all over his body. He drunkenly says, “Now…., where’s that old woman with the bad tooth?”
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October 17, 2011 8:00pm
RRM

I see Doug Graham’s in court….

I look forward to any conviction being greeted on here in a similar vein to Taito’s criminality 🙂
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October 17, 2011 8:23pm
Other_Andy

RRM

What about you RRM?
Psychological projection much of a problem for you…..?
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October 17, 2011 8:48pm
Viking2

Be careful what clothes you dance in. Classic.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=223844807676635&set=a.112062638854853.13552.100001533516782&type=1
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October 17, 2011 9:37pm
Viking2

If ever there was a reason for OUR collective Super finds to pool their(our), cash and spend on our behalf this opportunity would be it. Rio are selling a large chunk of business with world wide downstream supply and a collection of manufacturing plants. Sumitomo is well committed to NZ via various fertilizer works and other companies so would be a good partner.

This company could rival Fonterra as a NZ success story.
Do the Govt. and the collective wisdom of our various super funds have the foresight and the the audacity to take a large chunk of shareholding say 25% or more in the new company Pacific Aluminum?

Opportunity knocks just once. Lets just get this done for NZ. Sell off the crappy stuff and sell down shareholdings in SEO’s that we don’t need to own all of and buy good longterm income producers.

Not often I encourage the Govt and its organizations to spend money but this is one where I do.

New Zealand’s biggest power user, the $1.2-billion-a-year aluminium smelter at Bluff, has been put up for sale by Australian miner Rio Tinto, with a second-tier aluminium operator or private equity firm seen as possible buyers.

The Tiwai Point smelter in Southland consumes about 15 per cent of the electricity produced in New Zealand and is supplied on a take-or-pay basis by state-owned Meridian. The smelter could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

Rio Tinto will sell 13 aluminium units worldwide, including refineries and smelters in Australia, as it seeks to streamline its Alcan aluminium business.

The cutbacks are the latest in a series of moves following Rio’s badly timed $49b acquisition of Alcan four years ago. The asset sales include operations in Australia, such as the Gove bauxite venture and Tasmania’s Bell Bay smelter. It will also offload assets in New Zealand and plants in France, Germany, the United States and Britain.

It is understood Rio Tinto’s partner in the New Zealand smelter, Japanese firm Sumitomo, which holds just over 20 per cent, would have right of first refusal to buy the balance.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5803274/Optimism-Bluff-smelter-to-stay-open
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October 18, 2011 6:58am
Viking2

Legal Beagles Slow Learners.

Buyers dodge tablet ban
ASHER MOSES
Last updated 05:00 18/10/2011

Australians are making a mockery of a Federal Court injunction banning the sale of Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 tablets in Australia by ordering them from online stores.

Samsung has been forbidden by Federal Court Justice Annabelle Bennett from selling or marketing the device in Australia until a full hearing in its patent infringement case with Apple, which isn’t expected to take place until next year. Justice Bennett said Apple had a prima facie case that Samsung infringed two of its patents.

But online sellers on eBay, and web stores such as MobiCity.com.au, Expansys, Techrific and dMavo, are bypassing Samsung Australia and obtaining stock from other countries, such as Hong Kong.

GetPrice.com.au lists a slew of Australian sellers offering the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and there are more than 2000 results on eBay. Some, such as MobiCity, offer a 12-month Australian warranty.

Maverick online seller Ruslan Kogan was also selling Galaxy Tab 10.1 units but withdrew them from the market after receiving legal threats from Apple. However, it appears the other sellers, many of which are hosted overseas, do not care about Apple’s threats.

“If this is an outcome of the injunction, the harm is not to Samsung, which makes its sales all the same, but to the Australian retailers who do not have the opportunity to compete,” said senior patent lawyer Mark Summerfield, from Watermark in Melbourne.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/5803157/Buyers-dodge-tablet-ban
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October 18, 2011 7:06am
Manolo

If this is not child abuse, what is it? http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/10/17/controversial-therapy-for-young-transgender-patients-raises-questions/
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October 18, 2011 7:14am
Elaycee

RRM says: “I see Doug Graham’s in court…. I look forward to any conviction being greeted on here in a similar vein to Taito’s criminality”

Clearly it was a lapse on your part to miss mentioning the person who was standing two away from Sir DG – ex Labour MP for Heretaunga, Bill Jeffries.

You already knew that?

Pffttt…..
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