General Debate 15 October 2011

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DavidC

Why is everyone so quiet?
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October 15, 2011 8:19am
Inventory2

Sleeping in so the can stay awake until the semi-finals tonight? 9pm is an absurd time for rugby matches to be starting.
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October 15, 2011 8:20am
jaba

yep .. big weekend coming. waiting for someone to say something stupid (I miss philu)
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October 15, 2011 8:27am
Steve

You just did
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October 15, 2011 8:30am
Other_Andy

The NZ Herald is advertising on behalf of the ‘occupiers’.

Almost 2000 protesters with tents and sleeping bags plan to occupy Auckland’s Aotea Square for the next six weeks as part of a worldwide grassroots movement against corporate greed and inequality.
Occupy Auckland: http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAuck

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10759149
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October 15, 2011 8:41am
MyNameIsJack

Aussie. Aussie. Aussie. OI! OI! OI!

Zigger Zagger, Zigger Zagger! OI! OI! OI!
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October 15, 2011 8:47am
Scott Chris

Inventory 2 says:- “9pm is an absurd time for rugby matches to be starting.”

Not for the majority of the people watching this game. In many ways the IRB would generate more revenue playing the games at 8 am during European Prime Time. Apparently ITV stumped up $120 million for the broadcasting rights in Britain alone, where most of the games would be played around breakfast.

Silly hosting it down here really.
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October 15, 2011 9:03am
DRHILL

Newspapers should be reporting stories, not creating one by saying “Hey people, there might be a protest today, if you would like to join go to this facebook link!”
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October 15, 2011 9:05am
Scott Chris

Jack says:- “Aussie. Aussie. Aussie. OI! OI! OI!”

Buddah-on-a-flyingcarpet! I thought you were Canadian eh?
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October 15, 2011 9:06am
Steve

Occupy Auckland – Drugs and Alcahol not welcome – raving nutbars and the rentamob are
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October 15, 2011 9:07am
MyNameIsJack

Well, I do have a fondness for Maple Syrup and Evangeline Lilly, alone or together, I wouldn’t mind 🙂

And I do have the complete works of L Cohen (Music and books)…suits the cold, dark North Canterbury winters.

But, when all is said and done:

Aussie. Aussie. Aussie. OI! OI! OI!
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October 15, 2011 9:13am
DRHILL

So, one of the people involved in the “Occupy Auckland” event is Simon Oosterman (Media Liaison for the National Distribution Union)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Oosterman
http://www.facebook.com/OccupyAuck/posts/177828205632935
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October 15, 2011 9:13am
Inventory2

If you have a few moments to spare, go to the Occupy Auckland Facebook site, and check out those who say they are attending; there are some real doozies. Among their number is Omar Hamed, who was the lead appellant in the Urewera 17 Supreme Court case. ‘Nuff said?

I doubt that they will get anything like 2000 there, and if they try to prevent rugby fans from reaching their destinations, be it on their own heads.
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October 15, 2011 9:13am
Elaycee

@Inventory2 – some things will be predictable:

We can count on the fact the usual placard wavers and dissidents will be there. Placards will be the same font, same colour and same size as before – after all, they are just regurgitated from the last union led protest.

We can also count on the fact their numbers will be few, but grossly overstated because their own numbers will be equalled by the breathless, sympathetic members of the lamestream media. Children will count as ‘protesters’ – including those in prams.

Guarantee that their catch cry will be: What do we want? [Insert here]. When do we want it? [Insert here]? Second verse will be the same as the first.

Count again on this “story” being featured by the breathless repeaters on the network News tonight.

Some things just don’t change.
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October 15, 2011 9:26am
tom hunter

Among their number is Omar Hamed, who was the lead appellant in the Urewera 17 Supreme Court case

You mean this Omar Hamed

He does not take sexual consent seriously when his sexual partners are drunk. He has repeatedly ignored drunk women when they told him they were not interested in his sexual advances. He has repeatedly encouraged women who have rejected him to get drunker and then attempted to make a move on them when they were more incapacitated. Some women have had to physically fight him off. He has demonstrated that he is willing to have sex with someone who is too drunk to give meaningful consent.

A fairly disgusting human being but never fear, the lovely ladies of the far left are doing their best to clean him up before Occupy Auckland:

Comrades from across the left have brought up problems with his behaviour and he has consistently failed to understand the importance of meaningful consent in sexual relationships.

If only someone can get him to start extolling the virtues of capitalism I suspect his “problems” would be fixed quick smart.
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October 15, 2011 9:27am
Inventory2

That’s the one Tom. If any reader has a daughter going to the Occupy Auckland protest, please warn them that there is a predator in the midst, who also professes to be a peace activist. I guess he’s taking the 1960’s mantra of Make Love, Not War literally.

And guess what; he works for the Unite! union; Quelle surprise!
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October 15, 2011 9:33am
Scott Chris

Jack

Aha! Leonard Cohen. I much prefer it when others sing his misogynistic but insightful vociferations. Especially the late great Jeff Buckley.
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October 15, 2011 9:36am
asterisk.4

I was surprised not to have heard about this. It is concerning that our government claims to be socially liberal while doing something so illiberal.
http://pundit.co.nz/content/is-this-really-how-we-have-to-remember-simon-power
Thank goodness for Geddis. Something like this would be lucky to get a mention elsewhere.
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October 15, 2011 9:47am
MyNameIsJack

Well Scott, Judy Collins and Jennifer Warnes have done some great covers, as have the Pixies, and many more.

But I am hard pressed to find much misogynist in his lyrics – even Chelsea Hotel’s misogynism is based on an interview he gave and later regretted, as the lyrics do not name the woamn involved.

I once had an amazing discussion with a female US English Professor and Cohen fan over the “Sisters of Mercy” which I said was about prostitutes, although it was a nice song about them.

One of Cohen’s biggest fans is from another cold clime, Finland, where you’ll find a treasure trove.
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October 15, 2011 10:00am
Falafulu Fisi

I reckon that the women musicians/popsatars/rockstars of today are not that good looking compared to those from the 70s, 80s and 90s. In saying that I wouldn’t kick out Lady Gaga from my bed (even though I hate her music).
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October 15, 2011 10:02am
tristanb

Sickened by the Herald today:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10759117&ref=rss

They tell the story of how Dawson was killed in the Viaduct after a night out with his friends. At the end of the night he was punched in the head and killed by a group of losers, one of whom was carrying P.

But the last seven paragraphs are though dedicated to how Geoffrey Palmer thinks that liquor laws should be toughened!

The guys who killed Dawson are going to get a slap on their wrists. Laws for inflicting head injury aren’t going to be changed. (Personally I think that head injury should automatically be attempted murder/murder, because even if the person lives a brain injury can completely destroy a life). But instead the Herald uses this case to go on about its hobby horse of restricting access to alcohol. Not on.
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October 15, 2011 10:02am
tom hunter

I just loved the whole approach the feminists take to Omar in that open letter – seek help comrade. They grant him a degree of compassion and calm that they would never exhibit to a right-wing man with similar attitudes to woman.

Whenever I hear some left-winger explaining that nobody could have had any idea that Che, Fidel, Mao or Saloth Sar would turn out to be as bad as they were, I always look at creatures like Omar and the degree to which the far-left coddle and enable people like that in the cause of solidarity.

You can easily imagine what this guy would be like with some real political power in his hands.
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October 15, 2011 10:11am
mattyroo

Scott Chris said:

Especially the late great Jeff Buckley.

One of the few intelligent things you’ve said Scott.
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October 15, 2011 10:14am
tom hunter

Funny article in the WSJ that shows up the links between the OWS protestors and the professors who taught them – especially those who’ve been saying (loudly) that corporations are evil, facist and should be destroyed. I’ve been informed by some left-wingers that I should not take much notice of these protestors as they’re a small group and probably don’t believe it themselves.

This article demonstrates the intellectual link by looking at an article written in the NYT by a Notre Dame philosophy lecturer, Gary Gutting:

Corporations are a particular threat to truth, a value essential in a democracy, which places a premium on the informed decisions of individual citizens. The corporate threat is most apparent in advertising, which explicitly aims at convincing us to prefer a product regardless of its actual merit.

Channelling Galbraith I see. But the WSJ has some fun with this theory:

Gutting goes on to argue that it is even more insidious for corporations to try to influence “debates over public policy,” apparently oblivious to the irony that, under the aegis of the New York Times Co., he is doing just that.

But the following is the killer line on the evils of advertising:

It is at best an overgeneralization to say that advertising “aims at convincing us to prefer a product regardless of its actual merit.” It is ludicrous to say, as Gutting does, that it explicitly does so.

To see why, consider a familiar slogan of a well-known media company: “All the news that’s fit to print.” A Gutting-style slogan, by contrast, would be something along the lines of: “Biased and poorly written. Subscribe today!”
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October 15, 2011 10:23am
Scott Chris

mattyroo says:- “One of the few intelligent things you’ve said Scott.”

Heh. Well, I suppose our assessment of one another is limited by our ability to understand one another.

I guess we both think that of each other eh Matt 😉

You haven’t got a brother named Timaroo by any chance?
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October 15, 2011 10:24am
niggly

A fairly disgusting human being but never fear, the lovely ladies of the far left are doing their best to clean him up before Occupy Auckland:

Well, judging by what the Hand Mirror has written, I would have thought that Omar Hamed easily fits the description of being a Rapist.

The question to be asked therefore is, why aren’t these Wellington activist’s filing rape complaints to the Police?

Ok sure, some of these activisit’s may not wish to deal with the Police (anti-establishment), or naturally may be concerned with rape/trial/lawyer processes and stress.

BUT c’mon, there are plenty of witnesses, it wouldn’t be that hard for them to record his disgusting attempts to manipulate women via audio recorders or video cameras – these devices are dirt cheap nowadays and I’m sure the activist’s have media student mates who could lend them the equipment.

Even if the activist’s went to Police as a group for support, outlined their case to Police, (but privately said they are loathe to prosecute at that point in time), Omar Hamed would be shitting his pants at the very thought of being hauled before the courts and perhaps might stop his predatory behaviour.

From what I am reading, Omar Hamed is a Pig and should be jailed.
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October 15, 2011 10:35am
Scott Chris

Jack, maybe misogyny is too strong a word. There is some resentment there though, as well as disdain:

“You told me again you preferred handsome men but …”

“You don’t really care for music do ya?”

“That’s all, I don’t really think of you that often”

Was Chelsea Hotel really about Janis Joplin? God she was awful at Woodstock.
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October 15, 2011 10:37am
tom hunter

The question to be asked therefore is, why aren’t these Wellington activist’s filing rape complaints to the Police?

Ok sure, some of these activisit’s may not wish to deal with the Police (anti-establishment), or naturally may be concerned with rape/trial/lawyer processes and stress.

Oh it’s more than just being “anti-establishment”. Read the comments and you will find that the answer to your question is:

They are not the allies of anyone fighting for social justice, let alone an end to capitalism.

Because that’s what’s really important. Rape and even mass murder are secondary considerations.
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October 15, 2011 10:45am
MyNameIsJack

Norwegians upset Muslims. Again.
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October 15, 2011 10:46am
niggly

Crickey, I hadn’t read the comments Tom (perhaps I better have a gander).

Sigh. With mentality like that, no wonder why elements of the hard-left are fucked.

They condone a rapist in their midsts because he is “fighting for the cause”. What’s the bet some activist’s would like to go to the Police but “group-think” and their manipulative leadership keeps them in line?

Sad bastards.

As IV2 says, I do hope well meaning daughters/women joining these protests become aware of the mentality of the people organising these events.

(Are we allowed to Face Book comment on their protest site what OH is really like? Sorry I can’t be arsed with FB & such, so have no idea what is allowable or not).
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October 15, 2011 10:52am
Fletch

Seems the “occupiers” are not so grassroots as they want to be seen to be. Instead, according to an archive of 3900 insider emails just released, they’ve been organized by radicals, anarchists, unions, and socialists – no surprises there then….

http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/10/14/crowdsource-this-social-list-emails-expose-occupywallstreet-conspiracy-to-destablize-global-markets-governments/

http://biggovernment.com/bdarby/2011/10/14/emails-expose-the-true-nature-of-the-occupy-movement/

http://biggovernment.com/thomasryan/2011/10/14/the-email-archive-of-the-occupywallstreet-movement-anarchists-socialists-jihadists-unions-democrats/
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October 15, 2011 10:57am
Scott Chris

Crikey, it always amazes me how people so easily forget what it was like to be young and naive and idealistic.

Are young people supposed to suddenly download 30 years experience from what grumpy, unfashionable, and out-of-touch older people lecture them with?

I was certainly swayed by socialist ideas when I was young. I was also swayed by elite capitalist aspirations.

If people were more willing to remember their own folly, then perhaps it would be easier for them to understand others supposed folly.
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October 15, 2011 11:03am
Nookin

Isn’t Chelsea Hotel about Janis Joplin?
I prefer Cohen’s own renditions, esp Famous Blue Raincoat, Suzanne and Bird on a Wire. Saw him in ChCh last year — brilliant even at 76
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October 15, 2011 11:09am
tom hunter

They DISPUTE. They DEBATE. They DISSENT

Actually they do none of those things when being taught by the likes of Professor Gutting. They just imbibe it all and regurgitate it when the next left-wing organised protest comes along.

BEWARE they are EDUCATED

They’re not educated, they’re credentialed. Which is why almost every one of the assholes depicted in that poster were supported by many intellectual, educated graduates at one time or another (firing squad revelations of truth don’t count), right up to Gadaffi in the 80’s and 90’s. He was a revolutionary you know.

Here’s an example of the disputing, debating, dissenting educated youth who are out in the streets fighting for a new world –

I am DETERMINED to break the racial mold and the American racist cycle, so I EARNED a Master’s degree in Minority Women’s Studies. I owe $150,000 for EXCELLENT education, but the corporate facists refuse to acknowledge the legitimacy of my scholarly efforts when considering me for a job.

My high speed Internet and new car loan are likewise CRUSHING me – especially when added to the two different child support payments I am FORCED to pay by our CORRUPT legal system.

I don’t know if I can keep this up. I am at the end of my rope.

I AM THE 99%
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October 15, 2011 11:11am
Nookin

Scott – just saw your post – my understanding is that he had a fling with Joplin (among others)
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October 15, 2011 11:11am
Falafulu Fisi

Tom said…
especially those who’ve been saying (loudly) that corporations are evil, facist and should be destroyed.

Corporations drive the advancement of society and they’re not evil at all, however I think that what protesters fail to realize is, that they should protest against crony capitalism rather than capitalism as some of them appeared to protest against. Capitalism works, crony capitalism is what sustained disproportionate & silly profits from those Wall St firms Those firms should rise & fall on their own rather than being supported by bailouts from taxpayers. As a result, the low income earners bailed out high income earners. This is what Ron Paul (and to a lesser extent from Sarah Palin too in her recent comments) had been saying all along. The left do blame capitalism but they can’t see that it is not capitalism but crony capitalism that is the problem.

Anyway, here is a short piece from Not PC which depicted the protesters’ situations perfectly.

“Down with evil corporations!”
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October 15, 2011 11:16am
tom hunter

Are young people supposed to suddenly download 30 years experience from what grumpy, unfashionable, and out-of-touch older people lecture them with?

They could learn from fucking history – even quite recent history.

At a minimum they could ignore downloads from out-of-touch older revolutionaries recycling the same old myths – but I’ve noticed that that group still gets an intellectual get-out-jail-free card from youth.
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October 15, 2011 11:20am
niggly

Crikey, it always amazes me how people so easily forget what it was like to be young and naive and idealistic.

Are young people supposed to suddenly download 30 years experience from what grumpy, unfashionable, and out-of-touch older people lecture them with?

I don’t disagree with the jist of your comments there, Scott.

But politcal naivety and idealism is one thing … forced sex/rape is entirely another. Presumably these young activists once went to School like anyone else and was taught about sex and when to say no. Good grief these activist’s are typically “inteligent” i.e. thinking people so should be totally aware of sexual boundaries from their studies and life experiences etc.

However I take it you mean that young activist naviety about going to the Police to lay a complaint may stop them doing so (and as these people grow older they will realise the error of their earlier lives). Good point.

Edit: tom 11:20 – classic!
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October 15, 2011 11:22am
Nookin

Time for common sense and judicial recognition of the sense of public outrage to be recognised.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5790339/Comedians-sex-case-to-be-reviewed
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October 15, 2011 11:26am
Brian Smaller

MyNameIsJack (2,340) Says:
October 15th, 2011 at 10:46 am

Norwegians upset Muslims. Again.

Non-Muslims annoy Muslims just by existing. It is not hard to annoy them.
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October 15, 2011 11:28am
nasska

Nookin

…”If a High Court judge decided there had been an error in law by judge Cunningham, the case could be sent back to the Auckland District Court for the entertainer to be sentenced again. “…..

Can you explain, for the legal illiterates like me, what “an error in law” means in this case?
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October 15, 2011 11:45am
Falafulu Fisi

For financial analysts out there or perhaps who are into DIY investments, the following recent paper is an interesting one. It showed how under/over value of companies by using the standard beta-estimation (based on Capital Asset Pricing Model). It claimed that their method is more appropriate than the traditional finance/economic beta-estimation. The method is simple, just like the standard beta-estimation.

INVESTMENT VOLATILITY: A CRITIQUE OF STANDARD BETA ESTIMATION AND A SIMPLE WAY FORWARD
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October 15, 2011 11:50am
Inventory2

For anyone who naively believes that these “occupations” will be peaceful, check this out

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/10/trouble-ahead.html

It’s pretty obvious that these good folk are spoiling for a good, old-fashioned brawl with the police, just before the election. Mana Party activists are all over this, and all the organising has been done out of the Unite! union’s HQ in Auckland. Make your own judgment as to the political motivations behind it.

And if you’re going to the rugby this weekend; don’t engage with these “occupiers”; they want a repeat of Hamilton 1981, and you can bet that if they get it, the compliant MSM will only broadcast one side of the argument.
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October 15, 2011 11:54am
Scott Chris

niggly says:- “But politcal naivety and idealism is one thing … forced sex/rape is entirely another.”

Yes I agree. My comments were more directed at tom’s earlier post regarding the links between the OWS protesters and their ideological ‘masters’. I should have been more specific.

Nookin says:- “Suzanne and Bird on a Wire”

Yeah, no one has emulated his rendition of those two songs. Aaron Neville certainly mangled the latter. Caught Cohen on his previous tour. Brilliant. I’d like to hear Tom Waites do Bird on a Wire.
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October 15, 2011 11:54am
Elaycee

@Nookin Says: “Time for common sense and judicial recognition of the sense of public outrage to be recognised.”

It was an appalling decision in the first place by Judge Philippa Cunningham – exoneration from a crime the ‘comedian’ actually admitted, simply because he could make people laugh…

Using this logic, maybe Wed Wussell, the idiot in the McDonald’s suit, Goofy, King, Chauvel et al could get away with murder in her Court.
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October 15, 2011 11:59am
Other_Andy

Down with the evil corporations!

http://tinyurl.com/3dt9zb4
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October 15, 2011 12:01pm
tom hunter

Oh dear. Looks like a major component of Obamacare just smashed into pieces on the floor. For those of us who’ve been following this trainwreck for the last couple of years the problems with the CLASS act were easily predictable – especially since the auditors and actuaries hired to look at it pronounced that they could not see how it could ever work.

The kicker here is that CLASS formed a big part of Obama’s ridiculous claims that it would “bend the cost curve down”:

One reason why the Obama administration has been reluctant to officially shut down the program is that it was one of the main accounting gimmicks they used during the health care debate.

Because the CLASS Act was supposed to collect five years of premiums before paying out any benefits, the Democrats have been claiming $80 billion in short-term surplus from the program as deficit reduction, ignoring the obvious fact that the money would eventually have to pay for benefits. It’s been called a “budget zombie.”

Between this nonsense and all those universities in the US who’ve been selling degrees in law and Minority Womens Studies for $150,000 plus – actions that would have seen corporates in court on fraud charges had they pulled the same stunts – I can’t help thinking of that last line from the WSJ article I quoted earlier:

The left would benefit politically if it learned to be as honest as corporate America is.
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October 15, 2011 12:15pm
Nookin

Nasska
Although the Court has a discretion to discharge an offender without conviction, the discretion must be exercised according to the appropriate principles.
The court can discharge somebody without conviction only if the court is satisfied that the direct and indirect consequences of a conviction would be out of all proportion to the gravity of the offence. This “test” is said to be a precondition to the exercise of the discretion. The courts adopt a three-step approach to deciding whether the grounds for a discharge exist: 1. Identification of the gravity of the offending by reference to the facts of the case; 2 identification of the direct and indirect consequences of the conviction; and 3 determination of whether the direct and indirect consequences would be out of all proportion to the gravity of the offending.
The court must therefore adopt a principled approach before deciding whether it does in fact have jurisdiction to discharge without conviction. If it does not adopt that principled approach or if it applies the wrong principles then it has made an error of law. The High Court can only interfere if it concludes that the judge made a mistake in applying these principles. If the High Court decides that those principles were correctly applied but that the High Court would not have discharged, then the Crown challenge will fail. It is not a matter of the High Court substituting its discretion for the discretion of the District Court.
In the context of judicial review generally, a decision could be set aside if the court: incorrectly states the law, contravenes the legislation or exercises a power that it does not have; fails to take into account relevant matters or takes into account irrelevant matters or is influenced in some material way by some factual error.

The Crown might suggest that “making people laugh” is not necessarily a factor to be taken into account. On the other hand, if the court properly concluded that this was offending at the very lowest end of the scale and a conviction would curtail a blossoming career, that would be a matter to be considered.
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October 15, 2011 12:41pm
nasska

Nookin

Thank you.
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October 15, 2011 12:46pm
reid

Has anyone being looking at the Iran plot?

If so, do you think it smells of a setup?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/12/unanswered-questions-iranian-assassination-plot?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2047983/Iranian-Manssor-Arbabsiar-centre-ambassador-bomb-plot.html#ixzz1aaGoqIQX

Because of this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/julian-borger-global-security-blog/2011/oct/10/ahmadinejad-nuclear-offer-obama

Or do you think the US story is correct and true in every way?
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October 15, 2011 12:48pm
Johnboy

Is this an evangelist free zone again today?

Has the rapture happened and I missed it?

Story of my life really, all the important shit passes me by!
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October 15, 2011 1:44pm
reid

Has the rapture happened and I missed it?

Yes it has Johnboy and it’s wonderful and Rowan Atkinson was wrong, it wasn’t the Mormons, it was the Anglicans. So sorry about that, everyone else.

I won’t bother telling you what’s about to happen, but trust me, you won’t like it very much.
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October 15, 2011 1:59pm
jaba

went to the Mad Butcher shop in Pukekohe this morning .. the woman at the till is on until 7pm and has been busy all day. I guess the customers don’t know Darrien Fenton wants the shops boycotted
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October 15, 2011 2:01pm
Johnboy

Least its not the Muslims reid. I’d hate to give up my pork chops and booze and I’m too old for the 72 virgins.

Hallelujah I say!! 🙂
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October 15, 2011 2:05pm
Roflcopter

Curtly Beale out… just need a couple of others to fall down a flight a stairs and I’ll be feeling much better 😀
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October 15, 2011 2:18pm
nasska

Johnboy

At least while the god botherers are enjoying their rapture floating around the clouds strumming on harps or whatever they do there may at last be a few moments of peace for the rest of us poor buggers.

Anyway, don’t be so defeatist: As long as you took it easy 72 virgins shouldn’t be a insurmountable problem. If it gets too hard they can wear sheep costumes & then there’s always Sildenafil citrate.
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October 15, 2011 2:21pm
wat dabney

“Rep. Steve Scalise and Sen. John Thune backed by anti-tax advocate Grover Norquist, introduced the Buffett Rule Act last week. The bill would instruct the IRS to add a check box on 1040 forms for taxpayers to indicate that they want to voluntarily pay extra.”

http://www.rollcall.com/news/Scalise-Thune-Offer-Their-Own-Buffett-Rule-209406-1.html

Brilliant. It’d really put lefties on the spot when they bleat piously about inequality and “poverty.” You can ask them how much additional tax they voluntarily payed to their beloved state for “redistribution.” (As for the great man himself, you’ll remember Buffett gave his surplus billions not to the state but to the Gates Foundation.)
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October 15, 2011 2:54pm
Johnboy

Quite right nasska. If they dressed them Islamic sheep like Barbara Eden I might get keener.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=barbara+eden&hl=en&biw=1064&bih=827&prmd=imvnso&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=deiYToeQKqeSiAeXk9SsAg&sqi=2&ved=0CDIQsAQ
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October 15, 2011 2:58pm
Johnboy

Of course here is an attractive little minx if you are of Islamic persuasion. 🙂

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sheep_goat_chimera.jpg
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October 15, 2011 3:01pm
Jimbob

Interesting new book out on the IPCC.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/10/14/donna-laframboises-new-expose-book-on-the-ipcc/#more-49253
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October 15, 2011 3:09pm
Manolo

What is he hiding? http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/14/source-white-house-will-not-turn-over-all-solyndra-documents/
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October 15, 2011 3:24pm
Manolo

Eternal shame on this bastard: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/15/us/kansas-city-bishop-indicted-in-reporting-of-abuse-by-priest.html
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October 15, 2011 3:26pm
bereal

The comedians-sex-case was as blatant an example of the ‘old boys network’ (or old girls in this case) as you could find.
Marie Dhryberg was defence council.
Judge Cunnigham says, “we all need a good laugh” and dismisses the case.

Last time such a blatant example occurred was the American billionaire drug case.
Marie Dhryberg was defence council.
Judge Harvey said, “enjoy yourself on our harbour.” and dismissed the case.

To quote Dr Henry Lee, “Sumsing rong here.”
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October 15, 2011 3:51pm
Johnboy

Our legal system is totally above any suggestion of corruption beryl.

Ask Lord Birkenhead if you doubt me. 🙂
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October 15, 2011 3:56pm
reid

What is he hiding?

Yes Manolo. Luckily, apparently, Iran’s been caught out in some kind of dastardly, mystewious plot.

Let’s hope this doesn’t wipe out media interest in Solyndra and Rolling Thunder, as it is clearly designed to do.
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October 15, 2011 4:13pm
bereal

Johnboy, your effort at 3.01 is certain to earn you a Fatwa.
You and nasska will now both be in their book mate.
They will be hunting you down as we speak.
Your only hope is to hide out with Salman Rushdie.
Some second or third generation Kiwi Muslim is going to find you and top you.
Then he will be the martyr with all the virgins and you will get F.A. virgins.
Alluah Akbar.
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October 15, 2011 4:15pm
nasska

Without the divine gift of humour gracing our lives, and our ability to laugh at ourselves helping us to get through hard times, what would we be ?

Muslims.
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October 15, 2011 4:38pm
Johnboy

Non-Kiwibloggers nasska? 🙂
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October 15, 2011 4:45pm
Johnboy

Anyway. Who is going to win tonight?

I say Wales by 5 points.
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October 15, 2011 4:54pm
nasska

An 18-year-old suicide bomber blew himself up and appeared before Allah. He said, “Oh, Allah, I did your bidding, but I have a request. Since I’m only 18 and spent all my time in terrorist training school, I never was with a woman. So, instead of 72 virgins, who also won’t know what to do sexually, can I have 72 whores?”
Allah regarded him for a moment, then replied,
“Actually, the 72 virgins are here in heaven because arseholes like you murdered them before they could experience the pleasure of sex. So ‘you’re’ here to service ‘them.’ Since they’re virgins, they’re quite sexually ravenous; and, frankly, you’ll be on constant, exhausting duty.”
The bomber responded, “Well, I guess I can live with that. How hard can it be to keep 72 women satisfied for all eternity?”
Allah replied, “Who said they were women?”
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October 15, 2011 4:58pm
Johnboy

Were they sheep nasska?
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October 15, 2011 5:03pm
Scott Chris

Y’know Johnboy, maybe there’s something in that not eating pork chops idea that makes Jews so smart, kinda like taking lead out of petrol.

So, no more roast pork, bacon, ham, pork chops, pure pork sausages ….. Nah fuck it. I’m gonna stay dumb.
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October 15, 2011 5:13pm
nasska

Johnboy

I’ve heard some terrible stories about the uses of sheep in the Middle East but I can’t bring myself to believe that the gentle followers of the merciful prophet would indulge in such pastimes.

I’m certain that they are far too busy in prayer to be bothered by the attraction of random passing livestock.
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October 15, 2011 5:15pm
Johnboy

You guys are both intelligent fellows and I need your advice.

I’ve just broken the news to Greg over at the Elias thread that he has cancer and its me.

Do you think I have been too subtle or should I have been more forthright?
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October 15, 2011 5:20pm
Scott Chris

What Johnboy? I hadn’t noticed… I thought you liked lawyers! 😛
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October 15, 2011 5:52pm
reid

I say Wales by 5 points.

No I think it will be a France-Wallaby final Johnboy, which the Aussies win.

I hope I’m wrong. That would be rather depressing, wouldn’t it.
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October 15, 2011 5:53pm
Johnboy

Be one less haka and dismembering of the anthem to watch reid. 🙂
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October 15, 2011 6:02pm
Johnboy

Love dead ones Scotty. 🙂
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October 15, 2011 6:03pm
leftyliberal

Nah, French won’t cope with the Dragon this evening – will be convincingly defeated by 8. And Oz won’t cope with NZ tomorrow evening, similar margin.
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October 15, 2011 6:42pm
Johnboy

Agreed LL. Men of Harlech drowned out by by the speardance for the final. Enough to make a grown man cry bach. 🙂
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October 15, 2011 6:49pm
Other_Andy

Wow, I was so impressed with the TV3 “News” tonight….

First a story from the US where lawbreakers are now portrayed as victims. Newspeak abound, calling illegal immigrants “Undocumented workers” and complete with a tearful pregnant woman.

Then our marine salvage expert Winston Peters who, damn all the facts, proclaims the government was too slow with the Rena and that he is not a political opportunist.

And last but not least, a view of the rabble in Queen Street and the presenter proclaiming that this is, contrary to the facts, a grass-roots protest about “corporate greed and income inquality”.

…..not.
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October 15, 2011 7:26pm
nasska

Mum is working in the kitchen when Dad enters with his first erection in
years. ‘Mum … get into bed,’ he says. She takes off her apron, puts all
the ingredients and utensils away, washes her hands, takes off her undies
gets on the bed, feet in the air, legs apart … but all too late. Dad has
withered away.

‘Yer know Mum … we can’t ‘ave this ‘appen agin,’ says Dad. ‘Next time I
git one of these boners, I’ll ring the firebell so you start gittin’ ready
when youse hears it. When I git to the house with it, we’ll be right to go.’

Months go by. Mum’s in the kitchen, when suddenly she hears the firebell.
She goes through all the preparations real quick! Dad comes pounding into
the house in his big boots, through the kitchen, into the bedroom where Mum
lies waiting for him, legs wide apart, feet in the air. He looks at her and
says, ‘Get up, yer silly old oversexed cow … the bloody barn’s on fire!
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October 15, 2011 8:07pm
Scott Chris

An 80 year old man went to his doctor’s office to get a sperm count. The doctor gave the man a jar and said, “Take this jar home and bring me back a semen sample tomorrow. “The next day the 80 year old man reappeared at the doctor’s office and gave him the jar, which was as clean and empty as on the previous day. The doctor asked what happened and the man explained:
“Well, doc, it’s like this – First I tried with my right hand, but nothing. Then I tried with my left hand, but still nothing. Then I asked my wife for help. She tried with her right hand, then her left, still nothing. “She even tried her mouth, first with the teeth in, then with her teeth out, and still we even called up Earleen, the lady next door and she tried too, first with both hands, then an armpit and she even tried squeez’n it between her knees, but still nothing. “The doctor was shocked!
“You asked your neighbor? “The old man replied, “Yep, but no matter what we tried we still couldn’t get the damn jar open!”
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October 15, 2011 8:26pm
Scott Chris

A little old lady, well into her eighties, slowly enters the front door of an erotic sex shop. Obviously very unstable on her feet, she shakily hobbles the few feet across the store to the counter. Finally arriving at the counter and grabbing it for support, she asks the sales clerk: “Ddddooo youuuu hhhave dddddildosss?” The clerk, politely trying not to burst out laughing, replies:
Yes we do have dildos. Actually we carry many models.” The old woman asks: “Dddddoooo yyyouuuu hhhave aaa pppinkk one, tttenn inchessss lllong aaandd aabboutt tttwoo inchesss thththiiickkk?” The clerk responds,”Yes we do”. “Ccccccannnn yyyyouuuu tttelll mmmmeeee hhhhowwww ttttoooo ttturrrnnn ttthe ffffuucccckkkkinggg ttthingggg offffff?”
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October 15, 2011 8:30pm
nasska

Did you hear about the stressed Muslim wolf who was addicted to cannabis?

He huffed, then he puffed and then he blew himself up.
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October 15, 2011 8:39pm
Scott Chris

lol @ exploding Muslims

John Key’s Extended Family:

Don: The stubborn one with long ears.
Anna: The rebellious one.
Lee: The incontinent one.
Joe: The funny one.
Jock: The short one who races horses.
Okido: The agreeable Japanese one.
Shaun: The used car salesman.
Pa: The South Asian one.
Sue: Okido’s sister.
Spike: The pet hedgehog.

That’s all I could think of Nasska. Can you think of any more?
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October 15, 2011 8:46pm
Viking2

A woman asks a man who is traveling with six children
,”Are all these kids yours?”

The man replies,”No, I work in a condom factory and these are customer complaints”.
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October 15, 2011 8:52pm
nasska

Scott Chris

Not offhand but then my brain goes to bed at 8pm & my body at 10pm.

###########

I don’t see God that often. I do have a friend on the other
side of the fence, though & the other night I had this very
strange dream. I dreamed I was in the Devil’s den & there
on the wall were all these clocks. I looked, and every clock
had a name on it.
I asked, “Hey, what’s the story on all these clocks?”
He replied, “Every time someone on Earth masturbates, their
clock advances a minute.”
I looked at him, and asked, “Where’s my old mate Lee01’s clock?”
“It’s not out here. We keep it in the back room, and use it
as a fan.”
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October 15, 2011 8:56pm
Scott Chris

Sadly my brain goes to bed when I wake up and gets up and partys all night whilst I’m asleep, so although I’m tee total, I’m constantly hung over.

Fucking brain, I’ll stab you with a cotton bud if you don’t grow up.

Couple more of John Keys extended family.

A. Key: The arthritic one.
B. Key: The one with the big nose.
S. Key: The cold Aussi one.
and
Whiz, the piss head
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October 15, 2011 9:44pm
Fletch

Let me guess – all you joke tellers find Two and a Half Men actually funny?
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October 15, 2011 11:03pm
Manolo

Labour supporters, celebrities and do-gooders are invited to do the same here. Nothing is stopping them: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/15/republicans-unveil-their-buffett-rule-allowing-americans-to-pay-more-to-uncle/
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