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October 14, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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RightNow

@tom “It also has a grim ending in it for one of my least-favourite actors, which gives it a special appeal.”

Ditto ‘Executive Decision’ – the only appeal of that movie was that Steven Seagal got killed off near the beginning.
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October 14, 2011 2:28pm
tom hunter

RightNow

That’s a comment from someone else!

My favourite Nicholas Cage (not having seen Kick-Ass I’m guessing it’s him we’re talking about) movies remain Moonlighting and Raising Arizona.
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October 14, 2011 2:34pm
Manolo

Specially for thedavincimode, keen follower of all things US politics: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2011/10/13/lean-campaign-machine-herman-cain/
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October 14, 2011 2:36pm
KiwiGreg

The Rock would be my fav Nick Cage movie, with added Sean Connery 🙂 Con Air would be a close second. God he makes some crap nowadays tho.
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October 14, 2011 2:39pm
transmogrifier

Best Nicholas Cage = Face/Off, Red Rock West
Good Director’s Cuts/Extended Editions = Aliens, The Exorcist, all three LOTR movies, Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid and I like Apocalypse Now Redux
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October 14, 2011 2:43pm
RightNow

Opps, sorry Tom, it was from Chthoniid

I thought Vampire’s Kiss was one of Cage’s better roles.
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October 14, 2011 2:51pm
Other_Andy

@Manolo

Cain sounds good.
A self-made man with business experience and not a career politician (Bit like Key).
However, I don’t think his 9-9-9 proposal will fly as it includes a federal sales tax (The last 9).
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October 14, 2011 2:54pm
MyNameIsJack

yeah manolo, gotta love that Herman Cain

“I don’t have facts to back this up, but I happen to believe that these demonstrations are planned and orchestrated to distract from the failed policies of the Obama administration,” Cain said Wednesday

I reckon he should start everything he says with that phrase.
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October 14, 2011 2:54pm
Lee01

Avatar (21 million downloads) – yes, on hire. Hated it. Really, really hated it. PC crap.
The Dark Knight (19 million) – at the movies, hired the DVD, very good. I’m a huge fan of Christopher Nolan.
Transformers (19 million) – no.
Inception (18 million) – at the movies and hired DVD, very good also.
The Hangover (17 million) – no.
Star Trek (16 million) – Yes, at the movies, hired the DVD. Good, better than expected.
Kick-Ass (15 million) – no.
The Departed (14 million) – hired dvd. Not bad.
The Incredible Hulk (14 million) – no.
Pirates of the Carribean: At World’s End (14 million) no.
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October 14, 2011 2:57pm
MyNameIsJack

And look at the company Cain keeps.

“[W]e have to be careful not to allow this to get any legitimacy,” he warned. “I’m taking this seriously in that I’m old enough to remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy,” he said. “We can’t allow that to happen. Rep Peter King.

No, we can’t allow that to happen. Imagine the people getting a say in policy. Why that could lead to all kinds of madness, even outbreaks of democracy.
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October 14, 2011 2:58pm
joana

When will the female , accountant Director of Maritime NZ step down and who promoted her so far beyond her abilities?
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October 14, 2011 3:01pm
Lee01

Top five film directors.

Ingmar Bergman
Jean Pierre Juenet
David Lynch
Christopher Nolan
Ridley Scott
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October 14, 2011 3:01pm
KiwiGreg

“Imagine the people getting a say in policy. Why that could lead to all kinds of madness, even outbreaks of democracy.”

Yeah because the US isn’t presently a democracy and those on the streets are entirely representative of the vast majority who are not.
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October 14, 2011 3:05pm
Manolo

When will the female , accountant Director of Maritime NZ step down and who promoted her so far beyond her abilities?

It better be soon. Metaphorically speaking: she’s listing badly and sinking fast.
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October 14, 2011 3:09pm
Lee01

Democracy is overrated.
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October 14, 2011 3:09pm
Don the Kiwi

Had to go over to the Mount late morning to do a little job. When I finished I went to the beach to see what I could see. The ship is on the horizon, about 20 kms out. I was at the junction of Marine Parade an Oceanbeach Rd. The beach was nice and clean- the tide was going out, so the clean-up dudes had probably done their work a few hours before. Also the wind has gone West, so any oil is being blown over past Maketu to Pukehina, Otamarakau, Matata, Whakatane and Opotiki.

On the way home (Matua) I though I’d go down to Ferguson Park and see how the harbour was. There were odd little bits of what looked to me like oil sort of clumped together, but generally the beach was reasonably clean. The seagulls and other wading birds were happily fossicking around, and keeping clear of the ‘oily’ patches.

Of course, the Foreshore and Seabed belong to the Maoris. Strangely, I didn’t see any of the bro’s cleaning things up, only pakehas.

Oops – my bad. Our hard working bro’s would all have been hard at work – only the lazy honkeys would take time off work to go and jack nohi at the beach, probably seeing if they could score anything, eh bro? 😉
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October 14, 2011 3:11pm
MyNameIsJack

Lee01 (1,452) Says:

October 14th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Democracy is overrated.

Well, a few idiots like you seem to think a theocracy would be better, but most of us are quite attached to our democracy and have in the past, and will if necessary in the future, fight to protect it from dangerous theocrats like you.
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October 14, 2011 3:13pm
Weihana

transmogrifier (412) Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 2:43 pm

“Best Nicholas Cage…”

Is there such a thing? He’s the same person in every movie.
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October 14, 2011 3:13pm
Weihana

# Lee01 (1,452) Says:
October 14th, 2011 at 3:01 pm

Top five film directors.

Ingmar Bergman
Jean Pierre Juenet
David Lynch
Christopher Nolan
Ridley Scott

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Gotta have Clint Eastwood in the top 5! 🙂

I like some Ridley Scott movies but Robin Hood was just terrible. Gigantic step down from Galdiator.

Edit: Would also have Tarantino and Scorsese in top 5
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October 14, 2011 3:19pm
joana

We don’t have a democracy Jack. I lived for quite sometime under a dictator..would never have thought I would ever think or write this , but there were some positive aspects to a dictatorship.
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October 14, 2011 3:23pm
Ryan Sproull

Nicolas Cage has been good in some things – Wild at Heart (there’s that David Lynch…), Kick Ass, Adaptation (obviously), Leaving Las Vegas, and I liked Matchstick Men.

But then, when you say yes to every single script you’re ever given, you have to swing a few hits.
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October 14, 2011 3:32pm
Scott Chris

Top Five Film Directors

1) The Cohen brothers
2) Woody Allen
3)Stanley Kubrick
4)Sidney Lumet
5)Martin Scorsese
5.1) Quentin Tarantino
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October 14, 2011 3:33pm
Scott Chris

5 Best Movies

1)Adaptation
2)Network
3)Taxi Driver
4)Being John Malkovich
5)Withnail and I
5.1)Koyaanisqatsi
5.2)The Ice Storm
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October 14, 2011 3:43pm
thedavincimode

Weihana

“’Best Nicholas Cage…’

Is there such a thing? He’s the same person in every movie.”

Not in Raising Arizona – a classic Cohen bros and the only decent movie he made.
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October 14, 2011 4:38pm
thedavincimode

Thanks Manolo 🙂

Do you think he stashed a few pizzas in his garage for the campaign? Maybe he heard about Jabba the Williams and his cunning KFC ploy.
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October 14, 2011 4:46pm
Scott Chris

thedavincimode says:- “Not in Raising Arizona – a classic Cohen bros and the only decent movie he made.”

You didn’t think Adaptation was a decent movie I take it?
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October 14, 2011 4:50pm
bc

By coincidence I came across this, which fits in with our discussions today:

http://www.metacritic.com/feature/best-film-directors-since-2000

And you know you have to look at this as well:

http://www.metacritic.com/feature/worst-film-directors-since-2000
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October 14, 2011 5:59pm
Johnboy

Haven’t you found a BOT that needs an erudite man like you yet bc? 🙂
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October 14, 2011 6:32pm
Pete George

Not in Raising Arizona – a classic Cohen bros and the only decent movie he made.

I agree with that, I liked RA and haven’t liked him or his movies since.
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October 14, 2011 7:13pm
leftyliberal

Bringing out the dead and Bad Lieutenant were good flicks with Cage. Raising Arizona would definitely be the favourite though.
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October 14, 2011 7:53pm
tom hunter

Gosh. I had no idea BorkerJerk hated black people so much. He’s a true heir to the ole’ Democrat Party.

Oh well. At least his strong and principled stand against religious extremists will soon see him focusing on the Messiah’s twenty years sitting in front of a hateful preacher of Black Liberation Theology, Every Sunday at 11am, Yep.
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October 14, 2011 7:55pm
Pauleastbay

Avatar was a copy of Pocahontis (sic).

Cell phones have killed the cinema experience.
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October 14, 2011 7:57pm
nasska

Sheila goes into a pet shop, immediately spotting a large colourful parrot.
The price tag is $5.00. “Why so little, sir?,” she asks. The owner looks at her, says, “Look, Lady, I gotta tell ya – this bird used to live in a house of ill repute, so ta speak – and sometimes says some fairly vulga stuff.”
The woman thinks about it, deciding she just has to have the bird anyway and takes it home, puts the bird cage in the living room waiting for it to say something. The bird slowly looks around the room, then at her and says, “New house, new madam.” The woman is just shocked at the implication but thinks, “Gee, that’s not really so bad.”
Her two teenage daughters return from school and the bird sees them come in and says, “New house, new madam, new girls.” They are a just a little bit offended – then begin to laugh about the situation.
A bit later Sheila’s husband Bruce comes home from the pub. The bird looks at him and says, “Hi, Bruce.”
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October 14, 2011 8:02pm
Scott Chris

Pete George says:- “I agree with that, I liked RA and haven’t liked him or his movies since.”

Crikey Pete, you obviously haven’t seen the Cohen Brothers’ “Adaptation”. Best movie ever, with Cage at his neurotic best.
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October 14, 2011 8:04pm
Johnboy

Gee I just figured why GD has been so boring ( 🙂 ) tonight. The inquisition has moved to ‘Labours Rainbow Policy’.
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October 14, 2011 8:05pm
nasska

A judge of some thirty years passed away unexpectedly. Upon his passing he as greeted by an an
Angel who explained he was there to guide the judge to heaven. The Angel introduced himself and added, “and I must say it is truly an honour to meet you.” As they slowly headed closer to the pearly gates the judge suddenly stopped dead in his tracks and in no uncertain terms said, “Listen, I don’t care how rare it is for someone of my stature to make it up here, but if there are any lawyers in there, I’m not going in. I’m tired of them all. I’d rather suffer an eternity in Hell than argue another minute with an lawyer.”

Arriving at the pearly gates, and with much eyebrow raising by the heavenly host, the judge was determined to be worthy to enter Heaven. “One moment, St. Peter,” said the judge as the gates to heaven swung open for him, “just one thing, I’m tired of being around lawyers. I’ve been around them all of my life. Are there any inside? Because if there are, the deal’s off and you can just send me to Hell right now!” “Certainly not!” cried St. Peter, “You’re quite safe. There are no lawyers in here.” Feeling reassured, the judge pressed on and through the pearly gates into Heaven. The judge found Heaven very enjoyable until one day when all of a sudden a very elderly gentleman with a long white beard, wearing a suit and carrying a briefcase in one hand and a handful of papers in the other pushed past him mumbling something about be late for court. Enraged, the judge stormed back to St. Peter. “Hey! St. Peter!” cried the judge, “You said there were no lawyers here.” “There aren’t,” stammered St. Peter. “I beg to differ,” the angered judge promptly retorted, then pointing to the elderly man, “What does that elderly guy over there look like to you?” demanded the judge. “Oh my,” St. Peter said laughingly, “That’s not an lawyer! — That’s God. He just thinks he’s an lawyer!”
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October 14, 2011 8:22pm
Johnboy

Are you suggesting I stop insulting Lord Birkenhead nasska?
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October 14, 2011 8:27pm
nasska

Sorry Johnboy. For matters involving heaven & God I must bow to greater knowledge & authority:http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/10/labours_rainbow_policy.html#comments
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October 14, 2011 8:33pm
Johnboy

No checked that one out nasska, no sign of His Lordship there thank Christ.
I am a bit worried though. Here was me suggesting he was a grasping poser and I could have been insulting God.
I noticed he claimed yesterday that he didn’t need to live off WWL and had two other areas of the law that paid better.
That came as a surprise. I never realised conveyancing and ambulance chasing was so lucrative till then.

Never trust a christian eh? or a lawyer. 🙂
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October 14, 2011 8:55pm
adc

crime obviously does pay

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10759104

can’t believe the weakness of that slap on the wrist. A long history of burglary, and just gets 60 hours community service for cleaning out a new house? Bollocks.
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October 15, 2011 12:06am
transmogrifier

Top 5 Directors:

1. Robert Altman
2. Woody Allen
3. Sam Peckinpah
4. Michael Mann
5. Michael Powell

Top 5 Movies:

1. The Wild Bunch
2. Apocalypse Now
3. La Haine
4. Husbands and Wives
5. Do the Right Thing
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October 15, 2011 12:18am
joana

Activist greens are not greens ; they are anarchists..Green is like a cardy you put on to cover what you don’t want others to see.
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