General Debate 12 October 2011

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Scott Chris

Captain Charged:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/5770592/Captain-of-Rena-charged-containers-fall-into-sea

The container ship “The Rena’s” captain liked to entertain his crew with a few magic tricks. Problem was, his smart ass parrot would always give away the trick. “The card’s up his sleeve!” it would squawk, or “The dove’s in his pocket!” or “The ferret’s in his undies!”

One day the captain was so busy downloading porn, that he didn’t realize that the ship had gone of course, and had hit a reef off Tauranga. Luckily, when the ship sank, the captain managed to rescue the parrot, and they scrambled onto a floating door.

Whilst waiting to be rescued, the parrot uncharacteristically said nothing. He just stared at the captain quizzically.
Finally, he broke the silence.

“Okay, I give up.” He squawked, “Where have you hidden the ship?”
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October 12, 2011 8:33am
Scott Chris

Mallard Proposes Kids Knock Off Early Once A Week For Sport:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5771870/Labour-Knock-off-school-early-for-sport

Should be doing half an hour of compulsory fitness at the end of each school day. One day a week won’t foster healthy habits.

Waste of time Trev. How about a little substance to your policy, or is this just a bribe for teachers to have an early Wednesday knock off?
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October 12, 2011 8:54am
grumpyoldhori

You republicans seem to come up with some strange bloody arguments for a republic in NZ.
Latest one I have heard of is that having a president would be cheaper, how the hell can it be cheaper if the country is holding an election for a president.
Or do you trust the latest bunch of self servers across the house to pick the best person for the job with the public having no say ?
You republicans would believe politicians when they rant we would not put some tired old political hack from our party in as el presidente ?
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October 12, 2011 9:12am
Lee01

Mallard Proposes Kids Knock Off Early Once A Week For Sport

Mallard is, once again, talking crap. Good exercise requires a min of 20 minutes a day 4-5 days a week to be effective. This sounds suspiciously like a union bribe.

I have a better idea Trev. Privatise education and give people their tax money back so they can send their children to schools that are not staffed by unionised Labour flunkies pretending to be teachers.
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October 12, 2011 9:16am
Lee01

You republicans seem to come up with some strange bloody arguments for a republic in NZ.

Thats because there are no good arguments in favour of it.

It would not be cheaper. It would in fact be vastly more expensive.

It would be politicised, which means a currently neutral constitutional arrangement would become yet another political football.

Labour will, once back in power, claim that its underfunded, and then increase its size and power, adding yet more statism to an already over-politicised country.

Liberals would insist on “diversity” and that the President is “representative”, which means no white males allowed.

In short, the whole idea is mindless and stupid.

I understand why the cultural vandals on the Left support it. They want to destroy every last vestige of our British/European cultural roots.

Why anybody on the Right would support it is beyond me.

Arguing for less government on the one hand, and then arguing for republicanism is like screwing to promote virginity.

But then, the cultural vandals have sadly invaded our Tory party, trying desperately to turn it into a pale imitation of Labour.

Eternal shame upon them.
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October 12, 2011 9:26am
Johnboy

Still having a President would create a nice job opportunity for Auntie when her tenure at the UN is over! 🙂
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October 12, 2011 9:48am
grumpyoldhori

Lee I notice the GG is hardly a whiter shade of pale.
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October 12, 2011 9:58am
scanner

I see Darien Fenton is in Tauranga looking over the shipwreck, quite appropriate really seeing as how shes been helping with the train-wreck that Labour has become, wrecking is something she has shown she is good at.
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October 12, 2011 10:03am
BeaB

Can I dare to hope that we are seeing the end of those awful old decrepit has-beens in ACT? Especially Dirty Don with his obnoxious morals and geeky conceit.

It’s a pity we have lost Rodney – the only bright spot among them.
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October 12, 2011 10:06am
Scott Chris

Grumpy – “You republicans seem to come up with some strange bloody arguments for a republic in NZ.”

May be true, but the simplest and most compelling argument ror republicanism is that it is most appropriate for a sovereign nation to have a home national as head of state.

The ideal candidate for president would be a part European/Polynesian/Indian/Chinese.
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October 12, 2011 10:07am
jaba

Mallard must have better ideas than that surely .. how about keeping score in sports?
Fenton is a shipwreck. I feel for the good people of Tauranga/MtM .. what a horror story having her turn up.
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October 12, 2011 10:20am
Paulus

I am sure that had it been realised earlier that Phil Goff was a Maritime Salvage expert his expertise would have been surely called upon.
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October 12, 2011 10:21am
MyNameIsJack

Lee “I lie for jesus” 01 is at it again.

Lee01 (1,369) Says:

October 12th, 2011 at 9:26 am
You republicans seem to come up with some strange bloody arguments for a republic in NZ.

I understand why the cultural vandals on the Left support it. They want to destroy every last vestige of our British/European cultural roots.

European cultural roots?

European Republics

France
Germany
Italy
Austria
Belarus
Bulgaria
Cyprus
estonia
Finland
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Poland
Portugal
Switzeralnd
Turkey

and many more.

Seems our European heritage is republican.
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October 12, 2011 10:26am
Lee01

AND THERE WAS WAR IN HEAVEN.

The Crown connects us to our heritage. That is true even for Maori, who certainly understood and practiced the concept of royal leadership, and who signed the Treaty with the Crown, not the state.

But more importantly the Crown also connects us to the Transcendent. It reminds us that not only is there a heirachy in this world, but in the higher world as well. This is the real reason the liberal-secular elites are targeting the Crown. They want to drag us down into the gutter, to destroy any vestige or reminder of the Higher Order. This is a war between an ideology that wants to turn our nation to grubby and shallow materialism, and one that wants a nation infused with spiritual values, moral virtue and heroism.

Sadly, whether New Zealanders want it or not, we will most likely have republicanism forced upon us. The demonic liberal elites, their shallow materialistic souls prostituted to the false idols of secularism, humanism, globalism and egalitarianism, are demanding we “discuss” it every other day, and by “discussion” they mean they talk and we obey.

They care nothing for our nation. They are traitors who have sold themselves for thirty pieces of silver to the powers and principalities of the UN.

Make no mistake. This is a spiritual war, and the enemy has the advantage. They control the media, the language, the state. They cannot be reasoned with. They must be defeated.

THE ENEMY CLASS AND HOW TO DEFEAT IT: A MANIFESTO FOR THE RIGHT.

http://www.seangabb.co.uk/flcomm/flc047.htm
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October 12, 2011 10:28am
Lee01

MNIJ,

your the one lying. Prior to WW1 most of the countries you cite were monarchies. So, are you lying? Or do you just need a basic history lesson?
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October 12, 2011 10:31am
MyNameIsJack

And yet another lie

Lee01 (1,369) Says:

October 12th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Mallard Proposes Kids Knock Off Early Once A Week For Sport

Mallard is, once again, talking crap. Good exercise requires a min of 20 minutes a day 4-5 days a week to be effective.

Depends on the type of exercise and its purpose. For many types of exercise 5 times a week is excessive. When I was body building, I trained 6 days a week, but that as specialised training, upper, mid and lower body on separate days and agonist muscles day 1, antagonist muscles day 2 for each of the 3 areas.

Now I do light weights (60% 1RM) 3 days a week to maintain a normal body mass.

And yes, I am a fully qualified fitness instructor.
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October 12, 2011 10:31am
RightNow

Hey Hey, it’s the Jack and Lee show.
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October 12, 2011 10:42am
James Stephenson

Mallard is, once again, talking crap. Good exercise requires…

You’re right in the first part of your statement though. The Wednesday afternoon set aside is the situation in the UK (or at least it was back when I was in school rugby teams), I haven’t bothered to check the Sport England stats but I’d bet a sizeable amount that NZ’s sport participation rates are much higher than the UK’s.
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October 12, 2011 10:44am
Lee01

And another lie from MNIJ

Depends on the type of exercise and its purpose

For school children we are talking about standard cardio, that means 4-5 times a week.

Your body building training is not relevant to the issue.
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October 12, 2011 10:45am
Manolo

Shoe-shiners, acolytes and arselickers of the world, unite! http://www.clickorlando.com/traffic/29448416/detail.html
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October 12, 2011 10:55am
Scott Chris

Jackonabungychord says:- “And yes, I am a fully qualified fitness instructor.”

Ah good. Perhaps you could recommend a reasonable exercise regime for your average kid, and then compare that with Trev’s idea..
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October 12, 2011 11:02am
ciaron

It is a strange fate that it there is now a need to have people qualified in telling other people to get off their arses.
(nothing personal there, MNIJ 🙂 )
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October 12, 2011 11:14am
James Stephenson

Slovakia have said “no” to an expansion of the Euro bailout fund…the question now, is will this little spark of democracy be steamrollered over, or swerved around by the unelected eurocrats?

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100110211/slovakia-fetches-the-eurocrats-a-delicious-blow-across-the-chops/
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October 12, 2011 11:17am
Lee01

It is a strange fate that it there is now a need to have people qualified in telling other people to get off their arses.

It certainly is 🙂

Still, I have been doing boxing fitness for the last three years, and it does help with motivation to have someone encouraging you and showing you the right way to do things.
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October 12, 2011 11:21am
Lee01

Go Slovakia!

Slovakia has, as I’ve mentioned before, done almost all the right things over the past decade, adopting a flat tax, selling off state industries, reforming its pension system and shrinking its public sector as a percentage of GDP. Told that they would be punished for their surplus so as to reward Greece for its deficit, Slovaks understandably bridled.

Their liberal party, SaS and, even more so, our conservative ally, OKS, argued that, instead of imposing its model on Slovakia, the EU should learn from the Slovak experience.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100110211/slovakia-fetches-the-eurocrats-a-delicious-blow-across-the-chops/
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October 12, 2011 11:23am
Mick Mac

Scott Chris (2,017) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 8:54 am

I agree Scott.
We had PE 2x a week (40min) and sports aft 1x (1hr30) week plus rugby on Sat mornings and basketball and soccer after school in their seasons.
Swimming in spring/summer was torture as it was so cold most of the time and rained some too, but that’s London for you.
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October 12, 2011 11:39am
Mick Mac

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/watch-your-step.htm#jacommentid:14151

“We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.”

not for the faint hearted.
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October 12, 2011 11:40am
Don the Kiwi

How’s this for irony?

The Rena, which has stranded itself on Astrolabe reef, is carrying a container full of wine………

Yes, that’s right, the wine is Astrolabe.
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October 12, 2011 11:49am
thedavincimode

Mick Mac

Just about the worst kind of voyeurism in my book.

For the record, I didn’t ‘click’ and it wasn’t because I’m squeamish.

What is it about people who cannot simply accept that being blown to bits is a gruesome thing, but instead have some sick voyeuristic craving to validate what requires little imagination?

We occasionally see death in the course of the presentation of news events. But the notion of actually wanting to watch something specifically to see someone maimed or killed seems rather sick.
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October 12, 2011 12:27pm
Jimbob

Why is it that sports people, actors and some public figures lie about how tall they are? Alfe langer was alway 5′ 6″ or 5′ 8″ tall, Matt Damon supposed to be 5′ 11″ etc etc. Anyone with a modest IQ know a fib when they see one in this regard. Why do it? Is it ego?
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October 12, 2011 12:55pm
Manolo

Smart enough to keep their distance from the new Jimmy Carter: http://news.yahoo.com/democrats-wary-unpopular-president-050803210.html
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October 12, 2011 12:58pm
Lee01

Lunchtime.

Engrave herosim into your souls, so that you complete your small everyday tasks perfectly: as if the salvation of the world depended on all these small deeds.

St. Jose Maria Escriva da Balaguer
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October 12, 2011 1:00pm
Johnboy

Nice one Manolo.

Barack, meet Phil! 🙂
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October 12, 2011 1:04pm
Manolo

Escriva de Balaguer? The same one who taught that “joy has its roots in the form of a cross”, and “suffering is the touchstone of love”, who practiced corporal mortification personally and recommended it to others in Opus Dei.

I quote: “In particular, his enthusiasm for the practice of self-flagellation has attracted controversy, with critics quoting testimonies about Escrivá whipping himself furiously until the walls of his cubicle were speckled with blood.”

Not precisely a role model for sanctity, isn’t he? A seriously disturbed person, more likely.
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October 12, 2011 1:14pm
Pete George

Since the undoubted success of his Christchurch Engineer student excursion has fame gone to Key’s head?

Mr Key has provided a breath of fresh air to the body politic. New Zealanders enjoy having a confident, upbeat prime minister devoid of airs and graces.

However, style is not a substitute for substance. The country does not need a dilettante prime minister. It needs someone whose No1 priority is the state of the nation. Less blokey joshing and more attention to detail would be in everyone’s interests.

Time to buckle down

If he doesn’t show more seriousness quickly it could be more than Rena running ragged.
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October 12, 2011 1:33pm
Lee01

@ Manalo

I admire your political leanings, but like so many your stuck in a modernist mindset. The Left will never be defeated until we expose and destroy the deepest roots of its ideology, which is the so-called “enlightenment” and all that came from it.
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October 12, 2011 1:47pm
Manolo

Lee, I despise the left and all it represents: the politics of envy, mediocrity and human misery.
By the same token, I do not have time for cults, being the Opus Dei a supreme example, or any other religious superstition. However, as an atheist, I’m happy to respect your beliefs.

Your upholding of Escriva de Balaguer as a role model, is akin to telling me Hugh Hefner is a chaste man. 🙂
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October 12, 2011 1:54pm
Don the Kiwi

Manolo.

Your being an atheist disqualifies you from making a reasoned and informed judgement on Josemaria Escriva and his spirituality.
And naturally, you subscribe to Dan Brown’s vilification of Opus Dei.

LOOK OUT !!!! There’s an Opus Dei albino monk on your trail !! 🙂
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October 12, 2011 2:14pm
Pete George

The Left will never be defeated

If you leave your statement at that you are correct, whatever “the left” is. What about the centre?

I think cooperation and tolerance of differences is far more important than fighting some obscure theoretical battle to the bitter end.

It’s futile thinking you can destroy vague ideology. And more futile thinking you can undo history, there has been a lot of elightenment since the Enlightenment and that is far more likely to continue rather than somehow reversing to the dark ages.
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October 12, 2011 2:15pm
leftyliberal

@Don the Kiwi: Does Manolo also have to participate in self-flaggelation before passing “reasoned and informed judgement” on Escriva?
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October 12, 2011 2:30pm
Don the Kiwi

Depends on whether or not he wishes to ‘mortify the flesh’ so that he may fully enter into the religion of Atheism 🙂
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October 12, 2011 3:06pm
Lucia Maria

Opus Dei is not a cult – it’s just truly Catholic. Which terrifies many liberals in the Church.
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October 12, 2011 3:10pm
Scott Chris

Flagellation is disturbingly reminiscent of the self-abuse indulged in by physical and sexual abuse victims.

Whilst is purportedly helps to expunge pride and instill a sense of Jesus’ suffering, it only serves to do the opposite.
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October 12, 2011 3:13pm
Don the Kiwi

Speaking from personal experience , Scott Chris? 😉
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October 12, 2011 3:24pm
Scott Chris

Lee says:- “The Left will never be defeated until we expose and destroy the deepest roots of its ideology, which is the so-called “enlightenment” and all that came from it.”

1) Lee, you are the conservative left. What you mean is liberal left I think.
2) The enlightenment was simply a paradigm shift from antiquated erroneous assumptions to a greater understanding of our environment and ideas. How can a greater understanding of things be a bad thing?
3) How do you intend to destroy the roots of enlightenment? Burn books and technology?
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October 12, 2011 3:28pm
RightNow

Occupy Wellington:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5768261/Occupy-Wellington-week-long-protest-planned
Occupy Auckland
http://www.occupyauckland.org/

Occupy NZ. Oh wait, we’re still paying that off.
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October 12, 2011 3:29pm
Scott Chris

Don the Kiwi:- “Speaking from personal experience , Scott Chris?”

I hope that isn’t as distasteful as it sounds Don. I had you pegged as a reasonable fellow.
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October 12, 2011 3:32pm
Don the Kiwi

It was a joke Scott – see the 😉

But in fact, my inference – if there was one – could be considered no different than yours.

Alls cool 🙂
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October 12, 2011 3:45pm
Scott Chris

Don the Kiwi:- “could be considered no different than yours.”

Yes, you caught me out there.

Actually, I didn’t mean it that way, or I wouldn’t have made a fuss. I was attacking the idea of flagellation rather than the Christian church. To me there is something disturbingly psychotic about its practice aside from its religiosity. I know that many within the church agree that it is a bad practice.
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October 12, 2011 3:52pm
Don the Kiwi

Yes Scott, I too was referring to flagellation – but I take your point and how it could be misconstrued.
I guess to understand flagellation you need to have an understanding of the spirituality of ‘mortifying the flesh. It si an ancient practice in Christianity, and also other religions and pre-dates christianity. In fact, some of the ancient pagan religions – and even some extreme sects of hinduism and islam – practice it also. The difference is that the other religions did/do it to induce a trance like state. This is not the case with christianity.

Wth the attitudes of our day – the avoidance of pain and the seeking of pleasure – I can see why many people including christians find this a rather distasteful practice, and because of that find something disordered about it. The fact remains however, that it is still a practice in some parts of the world, and in some christian communities – particularly some religious orders – like Opus Dei. But that is not to say that it is practiced by all the members, or that it is a necessity.
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October 12, 2011 4:05pm
gopolks

It seems Romney won the GOP Debate, he is the least scary of the GOP candidates, I may be in the minority, but Im hoping for a Obama second term.
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October 12, 2011 4:10pm
Manolo

I may be in the minority, but Im hoping for a Obama second term.

You must be a Green supporter and enemy of that great country, the United States.
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October 12, 2011 4:29pm
Manolo

More from the tolerant religion of peace: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10/11/colombian-soccer-player-arrested-in-saudi-arabia-over-jesus-tattoo/
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October 12, 2011 4:39pm
Mick Mac

thedavincimode (2,200) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 12:27 pm

disagree with you on that one.
War is shit, not some distant thing for those in it.
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October 12, 2011 5:33pm
plebe

Has anyone noticed since Key has appeared on the New Zealand political scene we have had
underground ,Pike River
ground level, Christchurch
on the water, the Rema grounding
all this leaves to happen is an air disaster
Mr Key dont visit the All blacks before this weekend,visit the wallabys instead and cuddle them.New Zealand needs your bad karma to rub off on them.
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October 12, 2011 6:17pm
Weihana

# Manolo (5,009) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 4:29 pm

I may be in the minority, but Im hoping for a Obama second term.

You must be a Green supporter and enemy of that great country, the United States.

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You mean the country that elected him to the Presidency? The country that will do so again before they elect Romney or Cain? The country that appears to support all the major proposals of his latest “jobs bill” that the Republicans plan to defeat in the Senate?

This is the problem with the political right. They see people who have differing opinions as “the enemy”. To be fair both sides of the political spectrum have this tendency but on the right they seem to be taking over. Moderates are increasingly being silenced by extremist crazies which have produced the likes of Bachmann. We now have debates where republican supporters boo a gay soldier and cheer executions. Madness.

The Republicans might like to reflect on the fact that Rasmussen Reports shows the so-called generic Republican candidate to be beating Obama 47-41 while the actual Republican candidates are losing.
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October 12, 2011 6:17pm
Lee01

@ Pete

If you leave your statement at that you are correct, whatever “the left” is. What about the centre?

There really is no centre. Parties that claim to be in the centre are usually just confused, or lack coherence and clarity.

I think cooperation and tolerance of differences is far more important

You don’t cooperate and tolerate evil. Would you cooperate and tolerate Nazi’s? No. There are many things you are intolerant of, many perhaps rightly so. Me too. We are no different in that respect. The difference is that I make a choice about what I believe and follow that, rather than claim some theoretical non-existent centrist pragmatism that is really just a lack of coherent thinking and ideological backbone.

It’s futile thinking you can destroy vague ideology.

There is nothing vague about it. Its ideological foundations are clear and consistent.

there has been a lot of elightenment since the Enlightenment and that is far more likely to continue

No, what there has been is a lot of evil masquerading as “enlightenment”.

rather than somehow reversing to the dark ages.

There was nothing “dark” about pre-modern Europe. It was a bastion of light compared with this present darkness.

@ Scott Chris

1) Lee, you are the conservative left.

I am radical right.

2) The enlightenment was simply a paradigm shift from antiquated erroneous assumptions to a greater understanding of our environment and ideas. How can a greater understanding of things be a bad thing?

It was not a “greater understanding”, it was a descent into ignorance and darkness.

3) How do you intend to destroy the roots of enlightenment? Burn books and technology?

Technology is not the issue. The ancient Egyptians, the Classical Romans, and Medieval Europe had technology. It did not arise out of thin air after the so-called enlightenment. Technological innovation is a given.

Destroying the so-called enlightenment is simply a matter of witnessing and waiting. The modern world is busy eating itself. Its demise is every bit as inevitable as the sun setting.
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October 12, 2011 6:31pm
Lee01

@ Weihana

This is the problem with the political right. They see people who have differing opinions as “the enemy”.

Visit the Standard. You don’t think they believe the Right is the enemy?

And it depends on the “opinions”. Evil opinions should be named and shamed as such. Not all of live in the toilet of moral and ideological relativism.
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October 12, 2011 6:35pm
Lee01

We now have debates where republican supporters boo a gay soldier and cheer executions. Madness.

Sanity.
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October 12, 2011 6:39pm
Manolo

The country that appears to support all the major proposals of his latest “jobs bill” that the Republicans plan to defeat in the Senate?

Weihana: it pays off to be better informed before you open your mouth. Read first.

President Obama’s $447 billion jobs bill failed to clear a procedural hurdle in the Democratic-controlled Senate Tuesday night despite a White House push that accelerated in the 11th hour.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/11/white-house-pushes-for-passage-job-bill-in-face-likely-senate-defeat/
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October 12, 2011 6:57pm
Fletch

We now have debates where republican supporters boo a gay soldier and cheer executions. Madness.

That is actually untrue. It was a couple of people and the rest of the Republicans were booing and shushing the two disruptors.
Of course, that didn’t stop Obama and the Left using the story as if it were true.

A woman who was actually at the event speaks out –

I want to put this on the record now about an incident that happened at tonight’s Republican debate. It’s important that the truth is shared, because I have already seen liberal bloggers and some people on Twitter completely distorting what happened.
The debate included video questions that were submitted on YouTube, and one came from a soldier serving in Iraq who is gay and asked about the candidates’ opinions on don’t ask don’t tell. There was audible booing after his question…however, please note that it was not the crowd booing. It was only one or two people.

http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/09/25/obama-falsely-claims-audience-booed-gay-soldier-at-fundraiser/

http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/09/23/media-narrative-gets-it-wrong-debate-crowd-did-not-boo-gay-soldier/
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October 12, 2011 7:02pm
Weihana

# Manolo (5,010) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 6:57 pm

The country that appears to support all the major proposals of his latest “jobs bill” that the Republicans plan to defeat in the Senate?

Weihana: it pays off to be better informed before you open your mouth. Read first.

President Obama’s $447 billion jobs bill failed to clear a procedural hurdle in the Democratic-controlled Senate Tuesday night despite a White House push that accelerated in the 11th hour.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/11/white-house-pushes-for-passage-job-bill-in-face-likely-senate-defeat/

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The bill requires 60 votes to end debate, the democrats only have a simple majority. What exactly do you suppose I need to be informed about?
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October 12, 2011 7:26pm
MyNameIsJack

Lee01 (1,390) Lies for Jesus, again. I do despair of his lies.

October 12th, 2011 at 6:31 pm

On the Enlightenment he says It was not a “greater understanding”, it was a descent into ignorance and darkness.

Yes, all that pesky sciency stuff about germ theory, the discovery of bacterial causes for disease, the discovery of how the human body functions and how illness can be cured.

Lee01 cannot abide that, as it shows his “saviour” up for the deluded lunatic crank he was, although he was a Man of his time, believeing that all illness was caused by “sin”, not by germs or bacteria or degeneration of heritability, etc.

And this, is the same Jesus who cursed a tree because it would not give him fruit, out of season.

Is it any wonder that science and knowledge frightens Lee01? It undermines the whole edifice of his “faith” aka believing in something demonstarbly false because you want to believe, regardless of the evidence.

People like that are dangerous and should be kept locked up.
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October 12, 2011 7:43pm
Weihana

Fletch (2,064) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 7:02 pm

We now have debates where republican supporters boo a gay soldier and cheer executions. Madness.

That is actually untrue. It was a couple of people and the rest of the Republicans were booing and shushing the two disruptors.
Of course, that didn’t stop Obama and the Left using the story as if it were true.

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Well other people in the crowd can be forgiven given that they didn’t have a microphone to voice their disgust. But Megyn Kelly and Rick Santorum had a microphone. Where was their condemnation of this appalling behaviour? I didn’t notice it. Santorum just went on to say how that gay soldier will have to go back into the closet and the crowd applauded.

And how is the substance of what Santorum said any worse than the guys booing? The idea that sex isn’t a thing in the military is a load of bollocks. It’s not like you walk up to any soldier and you wonder whether they are straight or gay. The presumption is that they are straight because most people are, and if you happen to meet their opposite sex partner they don’t get chucked out of the military because their sexuality was revealed. On the other hand gays were expected to keep their life a secret and if it was found out they get chucked out despite their service to their country. It’s disgusting and quite frankly it’s that attitude which is more insulting to that soldier than any booing could ever be. Booing has no effect. Bigoted attitudes on the other hand do have an effect and well done to the current administration for ending this ridiculous discrimination.
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October 12, 2011 7:48pm
nasska

The night was young, the moon was high,
We were alone just she and I.

Her hair was soft her eyes were blue,
I new just what she wanted me to do,

Her skin was smooth her legs were fine.
I ran my finger down her spine.

I don’t know how but i tried my best,
As I placed my hand on her breast.

I remembered my fear, my fast beating heart.
And slowly she spread her legs apart.

And when I did it I felt no shame,
And all at once white stuff came.

At last it is finished, it’s all over now.
My first time ever…
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…Milking a cow!
(And what were YOU thinking about?)
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October 12, 2011 8:00pm
Weihana

Fletch,

BTW I notice no mention of the cheering at the high rate of executions in Texas because that was obviously more than just a couple trouble makers. I find it’s one thing to believe the death penalty is a necessary punishment and deterrent, it’s quite another to cheer because a lot of executions have been carried out. Murder and execution is not a football game but the crazier elements on the right act like it is. It just goes to show the backwards mindset of a large portion of Republicans that they would cheer such a thing.
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October 12, 2011 8:01pm
Scott Chris

Weihana

I’m impressed with your knowledge of American politics. You didn’t happen to live in Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri as a kid by any chance?
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October 12, 2011 8:05pm
nasska

Johnboy was found dead earlier today.

He died the way he would have wanted to go…

He passed away peacefully in his sheep.
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October 12, 2011 8:14pm
Scott Chris

nasska – lol

Back in 1895 an old farmer was hand milking his cow.

He was just starting to get a good rhythm going when a blowfly flew into the shed and started circling his head, so he swatted at it and it flew into the cows ear. Very docile she was and the farmer soon forgot all about it.

However, a few minutes later the blowfly squirted out into his bucket.

“Well, Jesusonasteamtrain,” said the old farmer, “in one ear and out the udder.”
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October 12, 2011 8:19pm
nasska

A woman is very distressed because she has not been married very long, and
yet her husband has lost interest in having sex. So, she goes to see her
doctor, and relays the problem.
The doctor doesn’t seem worried at all and tells her that this is nothing
serious, that her husband has merely lost his animal instincts. The doctor
tells her to crumble some dog biscuits on her husband’s cereal every morning
without telling him, and little by little this will bring out the savage
beast in him. He wishes her good luck and tells her to come back in a month
with a progress report.
A month later the woman returns to the doctor, who asks how her husband is.
“He’s dead,” she replies.
“Dead?” the doctor asked. “What happened?”
The woman replied, “He was sitting in the driveway licking his balls, and I
backed over him with the car.”
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October 12, 2011 8:25pm
Weihana

# Scott Chris (2,033) Says:
October 12th, 2011 at 8:05 pm

Weihana

I’m impressed with your knowledge of American politics. You didn’t happen to live in Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri as a kid by any chance?

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Never been to Mizzourah. Family is from California. Also I don’t think I know very much about American politics. Just what the liberal elite media tells me.
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October 12, 2011 8:42pm
Weihana

Lee01,

“The ancient Egyptians, the Classical Romans, and Medieval Europe had technology.”

True. They just didn’t have electricity, light bulbs, internal combustion engine, rockets, microprocessors, internet, antibiotics, vaccines, MRI, modern surgery, television, radio, jet engines, contraception, GPS, DNA-sequencing… and on and on the list goes.

Edit: Can’t wait till someone invents the time machine so we can send Lee back to the good ol days. 🙂
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October 12, 2011 8:53pm
nasska

Weihana

Just so long as it is to a time before the advent of computers!
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October 12, 2011 9:02pm
tom hunter

Moderates are increasingly being silenced by extremist crazies which have produced the likes of Bachmann. We now have debates where republican supporters boo a gay soldier

I already referred to this across on the Diversity At Radio NZ thread, where I pointed out this event where union leader Jimmy Hoffa Jr said of the Tea Party:

President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,”

In response to which President Obama had nothing critical to say, even as he spoke just a little later at the same gathering. Nothing.

What was that the left-wing were saying about “extremist crazies”?

Oh – and the need for civility too. I seem to recall hearing an awful lot about that a few months ago when the need to avoid “inciting violence” was supposedly paramount.
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October 12, 2011 9:21pm
tom hunter

The country that appears to support all the major proposals of his latest “jobs bill” that the Republicans plan to defeat in the Senate?

Muhahahaha.

Between the tired old tactics of deligitimisation around “extremists” and now this blatant repetition of the latest Democratic Underground talking points (or is it the Daily Kos), Weihana’s really taken over the mikenmild task of putting these forward with sweet reasonableness.

As it happens the Democrat Senate could not even be bothered dealing with Obama’s Jobs Bill until “other matters” were cleared out of the way – at least according to Senate Leader Harry Reid. Which just shows you both the degree of importance the Democrats attached to their President’s bill as well as the degree of confidence that it’s a solution that can be sold the American people.

Of course it’s a good thing they were willing to dally on the bill, since Obama turned out to not actually have one ready to submit the day after he delivered his We must pass this bill now speech a month ago. What an incompetent wind bag. It was so bad that even Senate Democrats were getting pissed off at him over this.

And now the US left are talking up the opinion polls and Obama has said he’ll take the attack directly to Republicans who vote against this. The response to which has been laughter from the GOP.

It seems to escape the dwindling bands of Obama supporters in the US but “the American People” gave their verdict on the first stimulus bill (not to mention Obamacare and all it’s oncoming tax hikes after 2014) in November 2010, after almost two years of protests against such vast increases (perhaps I should say “extremist” for a debate framing laugh) in Federal spending. That’s why the GOP won such a historic sweep after having been booted from the House themselves just four years earlier.

They and their voters know exactly why they were sent to Congress: to stop these insane spendups. I doubt even the often weak-kneed GOP will be willing to turn in the face of that mandate just to appease the lowest common denominator of nationwide, averaged opinion polls and the snarls of the average MSNBC/CNN talking head.

Obviously Obama and the far left think “tax the rich” is a winner. In reality it’s the last gasp of a desperate President. He and the rest of the left need to watch this interview with the founder of BET (Black Entertainment Television) to see how badly this gambit is going to fail.
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October 12, 2011 9:46pm
Weihana

tom hunter,

“…the need for civility…”

Actually I think you’re right. I was being precious about the whole “enemy” reference. He IS the enemy if you’re a crazy bitter redneck clinging to your guns and religion. 🙂
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October 12, 2011 10:03pm
tom hunter

I love self-deprecating humour when it’s ironic.
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October 12, 2011 10:10pm
Other_Andy

@Tom

Saw this, thought you would like it.
Compared: the “99%” and the “Tea Party” protesters

http://tinyurl.com/3swgdtu
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October 12, 2011 10:21pm
tom hunter

Other_Andy

Ha! That’s very good. Captures the debate framing in one glance.
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October 12, 2011 10:25pm
RightNow

Well looks like we’ll be catching up to Australia after all, they passed their carbon tax bill.
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