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Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5561044/White-immigrants-row

“..immigration by whites should be restricted because they pose a threat to race relations due to their “white supremacist” attitudes.”

Charming Ms Mutu…Just charming.
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September 4, 2011 8:12am
Scott Chris

Bats Invade Transylvanian Classroom:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44371604/ns/world_news-weird_news/

What a pain in the neck.
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September 4, 2011 8:19am
Other_Andy

@Longknives

Mutu is part of the Mana Party.
With their ‘race policy’ they are starting to look more and more like the ‘National Socialist’ party of New Zealand.
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September 4, 2011 8:24am
Jimbob

If a white male had said what Ms Mutu had said with repect to brown people, they would have been pressure to have him sacked. And he would not have lasted a week.
What Ms Mutu said is actually disgusting.
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September 4, 2011 8:26am
Rodders

Mutu always looks sour-faced because she can’t cope with the fact that her mother was white.
If a white lecturer at Auckland University said something like that against non-white migrants, how long would they keep their post?
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September 4, 2011 8:27am
Griff

Maori have a right to be racist after all whites are M….. f……
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September 4, 2011 8:33am
Rodders

Just as a reminder, here is some more vintage shit from the Mana Party’s jewel in the crown.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2004/02/self_rule_yeah_right.html
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2004/08/yawn_another_civil_war_threat.html
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/10/superstitious_bullshit.html
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September 4, 2011 8:37am
Monty

unreported in the news – but major news – Owen Glen will invest $100m in NZ youth on the basis that National win the election. Looks like another nail in the Labour coffin. Major announcement in October..
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September 4, 2011 8:46am
wreck1080

Ha ha, hook line and sinker.

Mutu is ‘trolling’.

Move on.
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September 4, 2011 8:46am
wreck1080

@monty–this is reported in the news yesterday. Details at…

http://www.3news.co.nz/Multi-millionaire-businessman-now-backs-National/tabid/419/articleID/224472/Default.aspx

Is this ethical ? A private citizen using money to ‘bribe’ voters to vote a certain way? I could debate this either way.
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September 4, 2011 8:50am
TimG_Oz

Big day for Manawatu … Go Turbos!

Probably the last chance we’ll get to see Good Rugby for the next few months, although hopefully better than the farce that was the ITM Championship final last night!
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September 4, 2011 8:52am
Viking2

Rodders (1,279) Says:
September 4th, 2011 at 8:27 am

Mutu always looks sour-faced because she can’t cope with the fact that her mother was white.
If a white lecturer at Auckland University said something like that against non-white migrants, how long would they keep their post?

Does the name Buchannan ring any bells?
Not long since he was sacked for telling a lazy Asian to do her homework.
Will Mutu be up before the Race Relations Commissioner.
If Not why Not?

Rodders, maybe you might agree with me this time.
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September 4, 2011 8:59am
Viking2

TimG_Oz (609) Says:
September 4th, 2011 at 8:52 am

Big day for Manawatu … Go Turbos!

Better than the All Black Games.
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September 4, 2011 9:00am
Rodders

V2 @8:59am 🙂
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September 4, 2011 9:00am
iMP

Stuff Sun: “celebrity mother and daughter duo, Sally and Jaime Ridge, 17.” Why are they celebrities, again?
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September 4, 2011 9:02am
Viking2

O’Brien wins presidency

Saturday, 3, Sep, 2011 5:01PM

The Maori Women’s Welfare League has a new president: Kataraina O’Brien.

Ms O’Brien, a Tauranga City Councillor who has been a member of the League since the late 60s, campaigned on a message of taking the organisation back to its roots of putting whanau first.
Despite a nomination declared valid by a judge after a wave of controversy, Hannah Tamaki – wife of Destiny Church leader Bishop Brian Tamaki – failed to attract enough support to win the presidency.

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Now I really don’t care about this except for the quoting of Ms O’Brien as a Tga City councilor.
I couldn’t recall her name so Google being my good Mate I asked him.

Tauranga City Council uses 3 wards with two elected members in each, along with 4 Councillors elected ‘At Large’ (city wide) and 1 Mayor.

Ward Councillors: Are those who represent a specific area of Tauranga City. Our City’s wards are split into areas of approximately the same size population. Click on the ward name below to view the map of the ward.

The wards and Representatives are:

Mount Maunganui / Papamoa – Deputy Mayor David Stewart and Cr Wayne Moultrie
Otumoetai / Pyes Pa – Cr Larry Baldock and Cr Catherine Stewart
Te Papa / Welcome Bay – Cr Bill Grainger and Cr Terry Molloy

The Representatives At Large are:

Cr Tony Christiansen
Cr Rick Curach
Cr Bill Faulkner
Cr Murray Guy.
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September 4, 2011 9:04am
Viking2

Here’s another banking/building industry fuckup in the making.

All to save maybe $200 dollars for the average house valuation.of $400K If ANZ doesn’t get done by this shoddy behavoir it will be a surprise.

After all we have just lost billions to this type of practice.

Cut-rate valuations cause stir
GREG NINNESS
Last updated 05:00 04/09/2011
The cost of residential property valuations is likely to tumble as ANZ Bank rolls out a new valuation ordering system, which means valuers will no longer inspect many of the properties they are valuing.

Under the new system, the bank will approve many of its mortgages on the basis of desktop valuations, prepared by valuers drawing information from a valuation database, without inspecting the properties concerned.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/5561050/Cut-rate-valuations-cause-stir
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September 4, 2011 9:10am
niggly

Another Sunday ….

Which means another inane Matt McCarten HOS opinion piece ….

I love it when hard-core lefties like McCarten & Gordon Campbell fawn all over Nicky Hager, but I can’t quite figure out which one is the more pompous and ridiculous. But at least Hager’s ego will be stroked, which is just as well according to lefty-activist friends, as Hagar’s arrogance and ego are quite large they say, so it must be nice for Hager to have his adoring groupies back him up whilst the rest of NZ aren’t in the slightest impelled by the issue to buy his book. I guess ego and monetary reward are intertwined. (It’s interesting that Hager stated four times on Thursday’s Morning Report interview that Bruce Ferguson should buy his book, not read his book mind you, but buy it)!
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September 4, 2011 9:13am
Other_Andy

@Rodders

“Mutu always looks sour-faced because she can’t cope with the fact that her mother was white.”

Mutu is embarrassed, she is a product of ‘Rassenschande’.
But she is determined the ‘Herrenvolk’ should not be polluted anymore.
As the Fuhrer said:
“I wouldn’t feel comfortable” if one of my children came home with a Pakeha partner.”
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September 4, 2011 9:14am
jaba

I find Owen Glenn great to listen to. I guess when you have as much coin as he does, you can simply say what you think and not care what others think.
I don’t consider his suggestion that he would give the country $100 mil if a National/Act Govt gets elected this year a bribe.
He knows that giving that sort of money to a Govt made up of Labour/Green/Winny/Harawira would be a total waste of opportunity.
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September 4, 2011 9:14am
TimG_Oz

V2. My point exactly:

“Look we’ve got a three point lead. Lets Pick and drive for the next 20 minutes and get nowhere!”
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September 4, 2011 9:29am
Viking2

If, we accept the adage that the customer is always right. then this article supports Labours Youth policy.

Rather contrary to DPF’s blather the other day in an attempt to put down something sound.

Yes it was old policy which no one has bothered to implement. Still the customer is saying its a good buy.
I have no doubt at all if you went out and asked more industry groups and SME’s if it was good then the answer would be yes.

Roll on the Nats. actually doing something that comes from heartland SME’s and business people instead of Law Offices.

Builders cheer Labour’s youth plan
By Adam Bennett and Simon Collins
5:30 AM Saturday Sep 3, 2011

The country needs more builders to help Christchurch recover. Photo / Mark Mitchell

Master builders are delighted with a Labour Party election proposal to pay employers the equivalent of the dole for every new apprentice they take on – subject to conditions – in the next three years.

The proposal would give employers $8727 for every new apprentice aged 18 or 19 who has been on a benefit for at least three months or is at risk of long-term benefit dependency.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/trade/news/article.cfm?c_id=96&objectid=10749150
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September 4, 2011 9:39am
Pete George

I have mixed feelings about Own Glen’s announcement. It does look like using big money to influence an election. On the other hand it’s sort of a moot point in that National winning the election is hardly in doubt.

Act being a part of government is far less certain but is unlikely to make any difference to what Glen is likely to do anyway.
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September 4, 2011 9:50am
Viking2

Its his money to spend Pete.
And if it raises the level of education and entrepreneurship among Kiwi’s it can only be good.
We need to do this. The current socialist behavoir is failing everywhere so we can change or we can go down the gurgler like other European Countries, The USA Japan and so on.
Do you want that?
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September 4, 2011 9:59am
Elaycee

Memo to Matt McCarten: When are you going to pay back the PAYE that was stolen?
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September 4, 2011 10:10am
KH

You don’t have to agree with Owen Glen.
But he does make and art of the different point of view.
Succinctly expressed. And not confined by the usual baggage.
So he is worth listening to.
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September 4, 2011 10:10am
reid

Fukushima Now Radiating Everyone: ‘Unspeakable’ Reality ‘Will Impact All Of Humanity’

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcOol3KJscc&feature=share
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September 4, 2011 10:15am
adze

V2
“Will Mutu be up before the Race Relations Commissioner. If Not why Not?”

To his credit, he actually did speak out against Mutu’s comments, I’m as amazed as anyone:

Race Relations Commissioner Joris de Bres, who migrated here from the Netherlands, has hit out at Mutu’s view, saying there is no justification for anybody to discriminate on the basis of colour, race or nationality.
[…]
De Bres said: “We should not stop people coming on the basis on their skin. It’s racial prejudice and racial discrimination.” He cautioned that racist views were not limited to one ethnic group.

Although his anachronistic reference to skin colour prejudice only as the big no-no is a little frustrating.
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September 4, 2011 10:25am
trout

Of course the builders are delighted at labours policy; they can now once again employ cheap labour and charge it out a tradesman rates (like the motor industry). Whether the trainees will learn anything is questionable; the industry has changed radically since the days of apprenticeships; building is now assembly rather than craftsmanship. And block courses where learning can really take place will of course be opposed because of the downtime.
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September 4, 2011 10:27am
reid

Very interesting video on Libya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q11R56Y0Dx4

Watch out for the cognitive dissonance.

For anyone not already aware of the debt money concept just google ‘money masters.’
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September 4, 2011 10:29am
wreck1080

Sky TV have just made me very cross.

They are releasing a ‘new’ channel, and making us pay extra for shows which are already free under current subscriptions.

Unless you subscribe to the new channel, you’ll be basically stuck with reality tv.

Or , am I reading this incorrectly?

I’m already dropping sky sports after the rwc, I may drop sky entirely on principle.

This is really crap, they are taking the best shows , and channelling them into ‘premium’ channels by gutting existing channels.

This could get worse, they could move ‘special ‘ sports events into a new premium sports channel.
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September 4, 2011 10:46am
tristanb

Sky TV have just made me very cross.

Then get rid of Sky. Unless you’re on the benefit you probably can’t justify paying for it.
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September 4, 2011 11:00am
leftyliberal

@wreck1080: Thanks for the link to the Owen Glenn video – most interesting discussion.

I think that the bit at the end regarding “only invest if national/act get in” was primarily journalistic spin on behalf of SP – the man wasn’t really saying that at all, rather that he thought National/Act were in a better position to do something about the problem than Labour et. al, something I think most NZers would agree with at this point in time given Labour’s issues.

No suggestion at all that he is attempting to bribe the electorate that I can see. After all, he had good (and bad) things to say about Labour as well (eg comments regarding their apprenticeship scheme) as well as criticising the Nats for dismissing it out of hand, suggesting that apprenticeships could help rebuild ChCh etc.
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September 4, 2011 11:04am
flipper

Heh DPF where is the NP list?
Stuff has an abbreviated version. Looks like a careful balancing of constituency likely winners rather than actual priorities.
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September 4, 2011 11:14am
Viking2

Busy compiling the list to give to John. 😆
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September 4, 2011 11:31am
Viking2

wreck1080 (1,773) Says:
September 4th, 2011 at 8:46 am

Ha ha, hook line and sinker.

Mutu is ‘trolling’.

Move on.

No she’s not. She is a dedicated racist and means every word she has said.
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September 4, 2011 11:32am
reid

McCarten’s article on Hagar is pathetic isn’t it. Matt seems to think the public actually give a fuck. Newsflash, they don’t. It won’t be part of the discourse up to the election, it will just go away when the RWC gets going.
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September 4, 2011 11:34am
Viking2

trout (541) Says:
September 4th, 2011 at 10:27 am

Of course the builders are delighted at labours policy; they can now once again employ cheap labour and charge it out a tradesman rates (like the motor industry). Whether the trainees will learn anything is questionable; the industry has changed radically since the days of apprenticeships; building is now assembly rather than craftsmanship. And block courses where learning can really take place will of course be opposed because of the downtime.

Oh dear no wonder we have leaky building and buildings falling down in earthquakes. Puke like this from trout the tout.

Go ask a builder what he pays, what it costs to train someone and how much he makes out of his charge out rate.
In fact go and do it yourself instead of filling pages with you unknowledgeable tripe.
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September 4, 2011 11:35am
kowtow

NZ has hosted naval ships from France and a shore party from Japan. We have sent vessels to China.

2012 is the 70 th anniversary of the Marines coming to our shores.And a party are coming but no ships.

Surely it is past time to get over this leftist,anti American bullshit and go the whole hog?

And self interest could be part of the motivation if not love of the Americans. What happens in the “big one” and they kindly offer to send assistance,will the Labourites and Greens tell ’em to fuck off?
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September 4, 2011 12:04pm
bereal

The Herald on Sunday has disgraced itself today. And brought shame on all its readers.

P51…”Boring. Sonny Bill Williams: We don’t care where you go. Just go.”
Shit like this makes be embarrassed to be a Kiwi.

If the “We” refers to the cretins on the editorial staff thats one thing but i think these
small minded girlymen mean to speak for all their readers.
Therefore they owe me an apology as an erstwhile reader.

This is a glaring example of disgusting small minded small town parocialism.
The prick that wrote that should be ashamed of herself.

The people who will be totally mistified by this type of puke will be any member of a visiting team
who happens to read this paper today.
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September 4, 2011 12:12pm
Other_Andy

@bereal

“The Herald on Sunday has disgraced itself today. And brought shame on all its readers.”

Why do you torture yourself and buy the rag?
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September 4, 2011 12:23pm
bereal

Excellent point Andy.
i have just sent a letter to the editor (which i doubt they will have the guts to print next Sunday)
including the cancellation of my subscription.

Imagine one of the pom or US players for example sitting in their hotel this morning,
checking out the New Zealand Sunday papers and reading that.
Makes my skin crawl with embarrassment.
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September 4, 2011 1:07pm
wat dabney

“What happens in the “big one” and they kindly offer to send assistance,will the Labourites and Greens tell ‘em to fuck off?

Well there’s the thing. Thanks to decades of Pax Americana, politicians in NZ and other countries are free to indulge in their childish posturing. A militarily strong US means they never have to grow up.
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September 4, 2011 1:58pm
DavidC

So where is this big bribe from Liarbore? DPF promised it to us on Sunday.
I want something to rant about!
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September 4, 2011 5:25pm
Viking2

Ah well Glen promised lots of money without strings. haha
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September 4, 2011 5:47pm
Steve

Happy Feet could not be released because of high seas, then needed a nudge to return to the sea.
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/happy-feet-heads-home-gentle-nudge-4383094

Looks like he was becoming Welfare Dependant.
Now what else needs a nudge?
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September 4, 2011 6:15pm
Viking2

Barnsley has a few up kaitaia way. 😆
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September 4, 2011 6:26pm
Viking2

Now that EQC have lost their Court case against the insurance companies, (Friday), and EQC would appear to be bordering on bankrupt .

Appears from calculations that another 3.5 Billion will be added to the bill.

Will the Govt.

1. Bail it out with more taxpayers money?
2.Ask the Chinese to lend us more money?
3.Rebuild only half the houses.
4. Stick to the original rules that existed before the earthquakes.
5. Raise taxes again now that there’s no more rabbits to pull out of the hat?
6. Get the hell out of the way of business, cut out the red tape as it has been promising for 25 years.
7. Chop the hell out of the cost of Govt.,
8.Privatize much more to pay the bills. Sell a lot more Govt. assets.
9.Borrow more money elsewhere?
10.Require Christchurch City to sell off its assets to pay for its own rebuild costs?

11 None of the above, just continue to ignore what needs to be done.

12. Put that capable Mr Fix It man in the form of the Mad Nick Smith in charge of EQC so he can fix it all up just like he did ACC.

Hard times ahead for Taxpayers I reckon.
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September 4, 2011 6:39pm
kaya

reid – that video link at 10.29am is something else! I’m off with the research head on!
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September 4, 2011 6:39pm
kaya

This is clever and funny!

Where the F***’s Webb Ellis?
11:46 AM Saturday Sep 3, 2011
Miles Davis’ song ’24 years’, a parody on the Smokie song ‘Living Next Door to Alice’, written for the 2011 Rugby World Cup.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/audio.cfm?c_id=4&gal_cid=4&gallery_id=121162
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September 4, 2011 6:42pm
nasska

We all know those cute little computer symbols called “emoticons”, where:
🙂 means a smile and
🙁 is a frown. Sometimes these are represented by
🙂 and 🙁 respectively.
Well, how about some “arsicons”? Here goes:
(_!_) = a regular arse
(__!__) = a fat arse
(!) = a tight arse
(_*_) = a sore arse
(_x_) = kiss my arse
(_X_) = leave my arse alone
(_zzz_) = a tired arse
(_E=mc2_) = a smart arse
(_$_) = Money coming out of his arse
(_?_) = Dumb Arse
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September 4, 2011 7:00pm
Viking2

The first topic up for debate will probably be what happens in roughly four years when the EQC runs out of money.

Under a business-as-normal regime of collecting annual $67 quake premiums it will take decades to replenish the fund. Until the fund is rebuilt, the Government risks having to front- up more than a billion dollars if disaster strikes again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch-earthquake-2011/5559040/Extent-of-disaster-never-imagined
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September 4, 2011 7:07pm
Scott Chris

(_o_) = arsehole
(_O_) = big arsehole
(__) = constipated
(_V_) = umm…
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September 4, 2011 7:14pm
pdm

Yeeeessssssss HAWKES BAY – You bloody beauties!!!!!!
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September 4, 2011 7:16pm
nasska

A drunk stumbles along a baptismal service on Sunday afternoon down by the river. He proceeds to walk down into the water and stand next to the Preacher. The minister turns and notices the old drunk and says, “Mister, Are you ready to find Jesus?”
The drunk looks back and says, “Yes, Preacher..I sure am.”
The minister then dunks the fellow under the water and pulls him right back up. “Have you found Jesus?” the preacher asked.
“Nooo, I didn’t!” said the drunk.
The preacher then dunks him under for quite a bit longer, brings him up and says, “Now, brother, have you found Jesus?”
“Noooo, I did not Reverend.”
The preacher in disgust holds the man under for at least 30 seconds this time, brings him out of the water and says in a harsh tone, “My God, man, have you found Jesus yet?”
The old drunk wipes his eyes and says to the preacher… “Are you sure this is where he fell in?”
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September 4, 2011 7:29pm
wikiriwhis business

Pay carbon taxes or aliens will attack us (Guardian)

From area 54 I bet

http://thoughtcatalog.com/2011/aliens-may-destroy-humanity-because-of-global-warming-real-scientists-actually-say/
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September 4, 2011 7:39pm
Viking2

A man was sunbathing naked at the beach.
For the sake of civility, and to keep it from getting sunburned, he had a hat over his private parts.
A woman walks past and says, snickering,
“If you were a gentleman you’d lift your hat.”
He raised an eyebrow and replied,
“If you were better looking it would lift itself.”
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September 4, 2011 7:42pm
nasska

Since the wife is eight months into her pregnancy, the husband has to sleep on the floor to avoid any regrettable mistake, which might happen pretty easily, for he has been desperate for quite a while now… Just before lying down on the bed, she glances at him and sees the poor guy curls up on the floor, eyes stare widely into the empty air, filled with hopeless desire…
Feeling sorry for her husband, she opens the top drawer of the cabinet, takes out a fifty dollar bill, and gives it to him: – Awww, my honey is so depressed… here, take this and go to the woman next door, she will let you sleep with her tonight… and remember that this happens only once… ok?… don’t think about it again.
The husband rolls his eyes in disbelief, but afraid that she may change her mind, he grabs the money and leaves quickly.
A few minutes later, he returns, hands the bill back to the wife and says with much disappointment: She said this is not enough, she wants sixty…
The wife’s face slowly turns red with anger: -Damn that bitch… when she was pregnant and her husband came over here… I only charged him fifty…
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