General Debate 22 September 2011

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Jinky

John Key off to Greymouth today. Families of Pike River miners will be asking if he’ll “do whatever it takes” to get the bodies out? Is that another promise he’ll be willing to break?
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September 22, 2011 8:06am
Scott Chris

Very funny piece on Jon Stewart Daily Show with Kirsten Schaal. (from flight of the conchords)

Relevant to the sex ed debate and the mandatory HPV vaccination of 12 year olds in the States and elsewhere.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-september-15-2011/uncensored—big-mouth-billie-vagina
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September 22, 2011 8:09am
Murray

Since you and the other party troll puppets with mulitiple identites are so fricken special and know more about mine rescue than everyone else why don’t you go do it “jinky”.

Seriously you all care so much about miners this week get off your ass and go get them out.

Take toad with you.
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September 22, 2011 8:30am
Scott Chris

Eminent Scientist Sir Paul Callaghan Resorts To Alternative Medicine:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/5664298/Sir-Paul-Callaghans-unusual-experiment

Sir Paul: “Let me be clear. I do not deviate one step from my trust in evidence-based medicine.”

Sadly he has aggressive, wide spread bowel cancer.
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September 22, 2011 8:33am
Chthoniid

@Murray

Since you and the other party troll puppets with mulitiple identites are so fricken special and know more about mine rescue than everyone else why don’t you go do it “jinky”.

Seriously you all care so much about miners this week get off your ass and go get them out.

seconded.
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September 22, 2011 8:35am
Scott Chris

Thalidomide Trial On Cancer In Dogs:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/5656047/Thalidomide-trial-on-cancer-in-dogs

As far as I know, thalidomide is only harmful to foetuses.
Moral of the story: “You don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater.”
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September 22, 2011 8:39am
Pete George

It looks like Ohariu might be being being contested:

Hypocrisy rules: Labour’s Chauvel rails against police covert filming while his taxpayer-funded electorate secretary covertly films a candidates’ meeting last night.
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September 22, 2011 8:41am
Jinky

The Mine Rescue team have offered to go in but the receivers are preventing them. I’d say the mine rescue guys would know more than either Murray or Chthoniid. My question was about Key’s integrity and broken promises as mush as it was about the situation at Pike River. I don’t like people lying to me.
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September 22, 2011 8:43am
thedavincimode

Hope fading there a bit Jinky ….?
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September 22, 2011 8:47am
david

Am I the only one who has increasing levels of isquiet at the way the Pike River Commission of Enquiry has been hijacked so that it is all about “the families”

The initial impression was that it was to be an independant, far-reaching enquiry about the causes and actions associated with the explosion and to determine what could be improved. Instead all we seem to hear is how badly the interaction with the families has been handled and Bernie Monk’s unending whinge about … well …. pretty much about everything associated with the families and his never-ending quest to apply leverage to all and sundry on the subject of body recovery.

Does the media have an obligation to allow the Royal Commission to get on with its task or is it OK for them to actively try and manipulate the outcomes (or the public perception of the outcomes) long before all the information is in and before it has been consolidated and reported on?

Quite apart from anything else I am sick of Bernie Monk’s grandstanding and have lost most of my sympathy for the families who have appointed him as their “spokesperson”

his morning Bernie has declared the mine “safe to enter” that’s good to know!
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September 22, 2011 8:50am
Chthoniid

@Jinky

Rubbish. You’re engaging in that most contemptible & loathsome practice of exploiting human death, human tragedy & misery to make a tenuous political point.
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September 22, 2011 8:56am
smttc

David, seconded. I have been sick and tired of listening to Bernie Monk’s constant whinging for quite some time now.
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September 22, 2011 8:57am
Elaycee

jinky says: “I don’t like people lying to me….”

Well, you must be truly outraged at the actions of your list candidate (and the partner) who set up a patsy article in the Waikato Times, then.

Pot. Kettle. Black.
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September 22, 2011 9:01am
peterwn

Jinky – If you are going to rattle on about John Key’s integrity, just have a look at things Helen Clark and Labour did during their term. In 2008, Helen said it was all about trust and the electorate responded Tui style. What would be utterly irresponsible is if John Key allegedly promised to recove bodies, then insisted police, army, etc go in only to come out in coffins if at all.

If it is not safe to recover bodies and this is the belief of those at the sharp end of the decision making especially individual rescuers, then rescuers should not enter. It is that simple. If a rescue attempt was made at an early stage, there was grave risk that rescuers would have been killed. This is blatantly obvious now, showing that correct judgment calls were made early on.

John Key’s poll ratings clearly indicated that doing a word by word analysis of everything John says then accusing him of ‘lack of integrity and broken promsises’ because things do not line up 100% is not impressing anyone except his political enemies. Hardly anyone would survive that sort of test if their utterances at home and in the workplace were analysed to that degree. The human mind is not like an electronic computer which remembers everything (except when memory/discs fail) and is utterly predictable in accordance with the program provided.
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September 22, 2011 9:03am
Scott Chris

Chthoniid – “Rubbish. You’re engaging in that most contemptible & loathsome practice of exploiting human death, human tragedy & misery to make a tenuous political point.”

Seconded. Common practice from all sides alas.
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September 22, 2011 9:03am
Michaels

The electrol commission worry about Matthew Ridge’s sign advertising his business but don’t seem to care about Labour screwing with the law.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10753488
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September 22, 2011 9:05am
Murray

My question is about your integrity “jinky”, do you actually give the slightest crap about miners or are you just another disgusting political hack oportunist trying to make milage off their deaths.

Your fixation of John Key seems to indicate the latter.
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September 22, 2011 9:07am
nasska

We can rest assured that if the Mine Rescue Team end up as casualties for any reason then the “family spokesperson” will be distancing himself from any responsibility at great haste.
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September 22, 2011 9:08am
Murray

And “jinky” will change his name and story but still with a spin that its John Keys fault as directed to by his green party masters… or labour. Makes bugger all difference really.
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September 22, 2011 9:16am
Pete George

Obviously Pike River famiies are grieving, but yes, me too, I don’t like to see it continually spun out via media and via the inquiry.

Another thing I am getting sick of is the portrayal of all of us Kiwis as bad sports becasue of a few abusive boofheads getting media publicity.

Yet more of it: “Is NZ a nation of poor sports?”

I don’t belong to the “poor Quade Cooper” group, I started my own “Good sport Kiwis” group.
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September 22, 2011 9:27am
dime

im over the pike river families. unreasonable.

im sure if it cost the government 100 million do recover the bodies they would insist. ffs.
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September 22, 2011 9:53am
Griff

Lets create a nice big open cast mine so we can bring the bodies out then sell all that lovely coal as well

Win Win
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September 22, 2011 10:18am
Falafulu Fisi

National’s Nikki Kaye- Another Socialist Infiltrator
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September 22, 2011 10:21am
Jinky

As far back as I can trace my family (1745) we have been colliers or associated with coal mining in the UK. I firmly believe that the people who work in the pit and know it best (Mine Rescue team) are the best judges of how safe it is. I am not on this blog at the behest of any political party. My question stands to be answered. I thought at the time it was a foolish thing for any PM to say that “the Govt will do whatever it takes” as that was an openended promise which would be unlikely to be fulfilled but he said it and I’m interested to see how he faces up to it. All politicians break promises it’s how often and how well they do it that seperates the great from the merely average.
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September 22, 2011 10:25am
Scott Chris

Sorry Pike River families, but I just don’t understand this obsession with recovering the dead bodies. When they are finally retrieved, it will just open up the old wounds, and generate another wave of breast beating and rending of clothes.

Let them lie where they chose to work, as a cold grave is a less fitting resting place.

Build a memorial, close up the mine, and get on with your lives.

And as for the media, FFS stop picking at the scab.
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September 22, 2011 11:04am
Manolo

A bit undiplomatic: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2011/09/21/nj-town-cancels-ecuadorean-president-rafael-correa-visit-because-his-politics/
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September 22, 2011 11:11am
Murray

“Jinky” – assuming that is your name, my grandfather and his brothers in law were all coal miners and tunnelers – with a notable exception of participation in several wars. Whoopdy poop, I have the same credibility as you, but I’m using my own name and actual records, not something I made up.

the question remains what is your agenda and its bloody obvious its NOT about the miners or you wouldn’t have a political motivated hard on for John Key.

So cut your self effected corpse cuddling bs and take a walk.
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September 22, 2011 11:12am
calendar girl

Jinky, you don’t have to be “on this blog at the behest of any political party” to be pursuing a political objective.

Can I take it that you yourself have no personal, first-hand experience of mining, notwithstanding your family’s 266 years’ association with the industry?

So let’s accept as genuine your self-pronounced general interest in “how often and how well” “politicians break promises”. I for one am prepared to examine the words attributed to Key a little more closely. Please provide a video, audio or document link to Key actually making that promise so that we can assess its accuracy and its seemingly unqualified nature within the context in which he was speaking at the time.

Is there a standard template that you use to study “how often and how well” “politicians break promises” (would love to see that too if it’s available), or is it more a matter of arriving at informal conclusions?
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September 22, 2011 11:16am
Chthoniid

@Murray

the question remains what is your agenda and its bloody obvious its NOT about the miners or you wouldn’t have a political motivated hard on for John Key.

Exactly, there are things swimming in dog vomit who have demonstrated more concern and respect for the dead than Jinky.
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September 22, 2011 11:29am
Murray

No three stars and a happy face stamp for jinky today.
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September 22, 2011 11:43am
Scott Chris

All Black team to play France:

Israel Dagg, Cory Jane, Conrad Smith, Ma’a Nonu, Richard Kahui, Dan Carter, Piri Weepu, Adam Thomson,Richie McCaw (capt), Jerome Kaino, Sam Whitelock, Brad Thorn, Owen Franks, Keven Mealamu, Tony Woodock. Reserves: Andrew Hore, Ben Franks, Ali Williams, Anthony Boric, Andy Ellis, Colin Slade, Sonny Bill Williams.

Good selection. Features Dagg @ FB, Kahui and Jane on the wings, Weepu @ HB and SBW on the bench. (should be starting IMO)

Strong looking forwards.
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September 22, 2011 12:11pm
Viking2

Interesting Wine Label.

Prime Minister John Key is in possession of a unique bottle of wine after Bay of Plenty Alcohol Action presented it to him during his visit to Tauranga.

The presentation was made at the Good Food Trading Co by GP Dr Tony Farrell, who says the bottle bears a label listing the health and social effects of wine.

http://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/16588-gp-briefs-pm-on-alcohol-harm.html
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September 22, 2011 12:55pm
KevinH

Bernie Monk is doing a fine job of representing the interests of the families, it has been a highly emotional experience and Bernie has expressed that many times. He is also a West Coaster and is determined to see this rescue through, and although it may grate on peoples nerves, his commitment is admirable. He wants his mates out and I can’t blame him for that.
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September 22, 2011 12:59pm
Manolo

Interesting label? No, the doctor is a bloody wowser and wanker.
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September 22, 2011 1:02pm
Manolo

Talking about the U.N., Chris Carter was interviewed by Larry Williams yesterday from Kabul.
The restless (and shameless) traveller, reckons he’s enjoying that refined, cultured, and cosmopolitan city. If so, Helen should make his appointment for like!
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September 22, 2011 1:12pm
joana

Who disestablished the mines inspectorate? Why National of course.
I support Bernie Monk. None of the moaners have walked a mile in his shoes.
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September 22, 2011 1:26pm
Lee01

“Graphic lessons in schools have proven to be a failure by any measure”

Garth George shreds to pieces the arguments for Family Plannings approach to sex education.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/garth-george/news/article.cfm?a_id=10&objectid=10753399

Money quotes: “I nearly choked when I read what the Family Planning Association’s health promotion director Frances Bird had to say. In one breath she said that international research showed a good-quality, comprehensive sex education programme could make a significant difference. And in the next she said that New Zealand has one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in the developed world and that children as young as 12 are sexually active.

Considering that FPA-backed sex education programmes have been used in schools for more than 25 years, any sane person who looks at the facts must come to the conclusion that they have been an abysmal failure. Over that time the number of teenage pregnancies, the spread of sexually transmitted diseases, the number of abortions and suicides have all soared.”

“The tragedy is that the whole sex education thing is predicated on the spurious proposition that sex between consenting children is on about the same level as having a meal together or going to the movies. And that is a dreadful, dangerous, damaging lie.”

“One American study last year divided 662 black children aged 11 to 15 into four groups. Each was given a different type of education – eight-hour abstinence-only classes; lessons on safe sex; classes using both approaches; or lessons on general health with no sex element. The study, reported in the journal Archives of Pediatrics and Adolescent Medicine, found that two years later, 33.5 per cent of abstinence-only students admitted having had sex, against 49 per cent of each of the other three groups.”

Game. Set. Match.
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September 22, 2011 2:35pm
Griff

http://pol285.blog.gustavus.edu/files/2009/08/AfY_Abstinence-Only_Effect.pdf

Five Years of Abstinence-Only-Until-Marriage Education: Assessing the Impact

Conclusion

“Abstinence-only programs show little evidence of sustained (long-term) impact on attitudes and intentions. Worse, they show some negative impacts on youth’s willingness to use contraception, including condoms, to prevent negative sexual health outcomes related to sexual intercourse.

Importantly, only in one state did any program demonstrate short-term success in delaying the initiation of sex; none of these programs demonstrates evidence of long-term success in delaying sexual initiation among youth exposed to the programs or any evidence of success in reducing other sexual risk-taking behaviors among participants”

FAIL

Anyway lee01 did we not “flogg” this enough for a while.
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September 22, 2011 3:03pm
F E Smith

Weihana,

China does allow private ownership of the means of production, but under state control. Also, China has a strong nationalist feelings. Just ask them about Taiwan.

Two points there. Firstly, the change to allow (significant) private ownership of the means of production is a relatively recent occurance in China, a change made by the Communist Part (there is that word again) in order to retain its grip on power. It is a lot like the concept of glasnost as implemented by Gorbachev (do you remember Glasnost?), designed to allow more economic freedom within the system while retaining control of the means of production. Glasnost was never intended to remove the USSR from the face of the earth, but instead to strengthen what was a tottering ediface. In that sense, it really backfierd on Gorbachev, something that he has admitted. Moreover, the move to private ownership in China has been primarily for the benefit of Communist Party members, with that ugly word corruption being a major factor. But the purpose was to allow an amount of economic freedom and private enterprise (that is, capitalism) whilst still being obstensibly communist.

I would accept you telling me that China is now an oligarchy, as I think that is a valid argument. I say that because I think that the Communist Party now has a tiger by the tail and isn’t quite sure how to put it back in the box. So they are trying to run with it but being economically expansionist, but I think that wil backfire as well. As the Chinese middle class increases in size it will eventually become too big to ignore and a form of democracy will be demanded by the people.

But as far as the Chinese is concerned, and everyone else but you, actually, China remains for the moment a communist dictatorship.

With regards Taiwan, that is not so much nationalist feelings on the part of the People’s Republic as it is anti-Nationalist (Party). Goes back to the Chiang Kai-Shek’s disappearing act in 1949. The Communist Party do not want Taiwan out of nationalist sentiment as much as out of spite- they just don’t like being duped and they don’t really give up.

I could say more, but I have work to do. I will come back later and see how you have got on.
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September 22, 2011 3:27pm
Lee01

Griff,

“FAIL”

Except the study cited in GG’s articles proves otherwise. Nor is that the only one that does. The FAIL here are those liberals who refuse to allow any contrary information to disturb their fantasies.

“Anyway lee01 did we not “flogg” this enough for a while.”

I think its an important issue, given what was revealed about the sick indoctrination going on in some of these classes. If you don’t think its important, just move past the relevant posts and dont talk about.
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September 22, 2011 3:36pm
Manolo

The buying of racist votes continues, and the gravy train marches on: http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/agreement-principle-signed-maungaharuru-tangitu-hap%C5%AB

At a meagre price of 23 million dollars, it is cheap, isn’t it?
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September 22, 2011 4:14pm
bereal

Big John. Final verse.

Now they never re-opened that worthless pit
They just placed a marble stand in front of it
These few words are written on that stand
At the bottom of this mine lies a big, big man,
Big John.
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September 22, 2011 5:17pm
chiz

Technology advances. Now there is a Bra that comes undone at the sound of two rapid handclaps
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September 22, 2011 5:47pm
nasska

bereal

Those lyrics take one back a bit but they should be prophetic. In a case where there was a fractional chance of finding someone alive the risk would be acceptable if not totally sensible. Entering the mine under those circumstances would be the human thing to do & we are humans.

Not so to recover corpses. The mine has taken enough people…we don’t need to risk more lives to change the burial site.
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September 22, 2011 5:50pm
bereal

As a lay person, one thing about Pike River that i hope is covered in the inquiry findings is..

Is it the conventional wisdom of mine rescue experts that the safest time for rescuers
to enter a mine after an explosion is right now, before the gasses rebuild up to dangerous levels?

If the answer is ‘Yes’ then ……………..
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September 22, 2011 6:23pm
Manolo

Once a liar, always a liar. Conman Al Gore cannot help himself: http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100106264/al-gores-five-loaves-and-two-fishes/
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September 22, 2011 6:33pm
nasska

Single v Engaged v Married

Three sheilas were having a girl’s night out and talked about their blokes.
The single sheila said, “Last Friday at the end of the work day I went to my bloke’s office wearing a leather coat.

When all the other people had left, I slipped out of it and all I had on was a leather bodice, black stockings and stiletto heels. He was so aroused that he had me on his desk right then and there!”

The engaged sheila giggled and said, “That’s pretty much my story! When my bloke got home last Friday, he found me waiting for him in a black mask, leather bodice, black hose and stilettos. He was so turned on that we not only had sex all night, he wants to move up our wedding date!”

The married sheila put her glass down and said, “I did a lot of planning. I made arrangements for the kids to stay over at Grandma’s. I took a long scented-oil bath and then put on my best perfume.

I slipped into a tight leather bodice, a black garter belt, black stockings and six-inch stilettos. I finished it off with a black mask.

When my husband got home from work, he grabbed a beer and the remote, sat down and yelled, ‘Hey, Batman, what’s for dinner?'”
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September 22, 2011 7:00pm
Pete George

You can use this if you like to be up with the latest FB fads.

Please copy & paste this to your status if you are constantly being asked to copy & paste something to your status by friends who copy & paste things to their status. Many people won’t copy & paste this but my true sarcastic friends will copy & paste it because they know this was copied & pasted from a dear friend in need of more stuff to copy & paste…thank you! And don’t forget the fucking heart ♥
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September 22, 2011 7:10pm
Pauleastbay

Vegetarian – ancient tribal slang for village idiot who can’t hunt, fish or ride
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September 22, 2011 7:22pm
nasska

The Lord of the manor returned from his grouse hunt quite a bit earlier than expected. He entered the master bedroom to change, and found her Ladyship making passionate love to Sir Archibald Carpley.
The irate Lord stood stiffly and loudly berated his wife for her infidelity. With thunder in his voice, he reminded her that he had taken her from a miserable existence on a local rundown farm, given her a fine home, provided her with servants, expensive clothes and jewels, and almost anything she desired.
By this time the woman was crying inconsolably, his Lordship then turned his wrath on his supposed friend:
“And as for you Archie you might at least stop while I’m talking !”
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September 22, 2011 7:30pm
Scott Chris

Prince Charles was driving in to Buckingham Palace when
he accidentally ran over one of his mother’s corgis. At
that very moment, the prince’s fairy godmother appeared.
“I’ll give you one wish,” she said to the prince.
Charles looked at the poor injured corgi he held in his
arms. “Please. Heal my mother’s corgi.”
The fairy godmother looked at the injured dog.
“I’m sorry,” she said. “It’s too late for the wee dog. But
I’ll give you another wish.”
“All right,” said Prince Charles. “Could you make Camilla
beautiful?”
“Let’s see about that corgi…”, replied the fairy godmother.
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

What’s the difference between a Lada and a Mercedes?
Lady Diana wouldn’t be seen dead in a Lada!
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September 22, 2011 7:40pm
nasska

Kate Middleton asked the Queen for advice on marriage and a long relationship… she replied “wear a seatbelt and don’t piss me off!”
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September 22, 2011 7:49pm
Scott Chris

Weihana was at a party, and he got into a conversation with Bob Jones.
So he asked him, “How did you make all your money?”
Bob Jones looked thoughtful for a few seconds, then said, “Well Weihana, it was 1932. The depth of the Great Depression. I was down to my last penny. I invested that penny in an apple. I spent the entire day polishing that apple and, at the end of the day, I sold the apple for a shilling.

The next morning, I invested that shilling in six apples. I spent the entire day polishing them and sold them for a crown. I continued this system of polishing and selling, each time reinvesting my profits into buying more apples.”
“Wow!” said Weihana, “and that’s how you accumulated your fortune?”
“Nah”, said Bob Jones, “my wife’s father died and left us two million quid.”
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September 22, 2011 8:01pm
calendar girl

Come on, Jinky, don’t disappear on us. Since your last Pike River contribution here at 10.25am you have gone very quiet – perhaps (like many of us) too busy with work commitments to return to the blog every 10 minutes.

But since 10.25am a couple of relevant things have happened. Firstly, you have been posed some pertinent questions to which your answers are awaited with interest. You say that you’re less interested in Pike River itself than in politicians telling lies or breaking promises, so let’s get into that debate. Remember that, at 8.43am, in a direct reference to Key and his integrity, you said in a classic pre-judgement: “I don’t like people lying to me.”

Secondly, if you were correct that Key lied to you and to the nation about retrieving the Pike River bodies, it appears that he may have done so again today. Within the last 60 minutes I have seen Key on TV reaffirming his determination that the miners’ bodies will be recovered.

Where to from here, Jinky? Will you come on tomorrow’s GD and resume your side of the debate that you initiated today? Will you apologise to Key (at least in the meantime) for your seemingly pre-emptive strike on what you allude to as his integrity? Will you lay out your own personal experience / credentials in mining rather than merely try to impress us – once over lightly – with those of your ancestry? Will we learn more about the techniques that you use in your research into politicians breaking promises?

Forgive me for saying so, but there is a hint of scepticism (if not downright cynicism) about your motives on this thread. It comes through in the comments directed to your views from Murray, Chthoniid, thedavincimode, david, smttc, Elaycee, peterwn, nasska and others – including me. When you have aroused so much interest, you are being a bit of a tease to simply fade away.
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September 22, 2011 8:12pm
Pete George

Maybe modern morality isn’t so good:

Teacher jailed for touching students

A teacher at a private Christian school has been sentenced to two years in prison after touching 11 of his female students, some as young as nine-years-old.

Allan Ross Randall was a senior teacher at Hebron Christian College until earlier this year.

A former Sunday school teacher who admitted 16 serious sex offences against young girls has been told he faces a lengthy jail sentence.

Serial sex offender Shane Allan Harris, 39, is already serving a prison term for possessing images of child pornography and bestiality and has been described by a judge as a “high-risk pornography offender.”

Now he faces a further stretch behind bars after his latest string of attacks on young girls.

Or maybe they are just more likely to be prosecuted.
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September 22, 2011 9:07pm
bereal

Hey. why let a nonce troll such as Jinky (read, any leftard on duty)
corrupt anything ?
Ignore the nonce
And i mean ‘corrupt’ in it’s true sense.

It’s so easy for these pieces of shit if you try to respond to them logically.
They are scum. Corrupt scum.
Why respond. ?
You are not allowed to put your point of view on a site they like.
They cannot abide the contra argument.
It’s not permitted.
Jinky…….just scum.

Come in PG
go to bat for these scum.
The moderate voice of reason.
Give me a brake.
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September 22, 2011 9:33pm
bereal

break. Whatevever.
Just imagine what New Zealand would be like in a few years if HELUN had managed to buy another election,
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September 22, 2011 9:39pm
Pete George

Maybe you could give your keyboard bravado a break bereal. Keep in mind that the those you shoot off at could be someone you might meet on the street, they could be workmates, friends of friends or relatives. They’re people with as much right to an opinion as you. You crap on your credibility acting as a cretin.
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September 22, 2011 9:55pm
Mick Mac

NZ would be stuffed, National got in just in time.
sadly they won’t have a full run to turn the country round as most have their hands out for some form of benefit and will vote in the piper when they have to give it up.
so we’ll be stuffed but kit will take mlonger.
unless the Nz populace gets their head round someone pays for benefits and relying on 168,000 households doesn’t cut the mustard
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September 22, 2011 10:40pm
bereal

Good on you Pete.
Showed some emotion for once.
i take credit for bringing you/winkling you out of your shell.
1st time ever.
Congrats.
Onya.
(shit, it was hard work but)
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September 23, 2011 12:28am
Viking2

Noticed this little gem on this post this morning.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/5670981/Revealed-Fonterras-secret-formula

Commerce select committee chairwoman Lianne Dalziel said she welcomed Fonterra’s “timely” disclosure ahead of its scheduled appearance before the committee next week. However, the inquiry was investigating the influences of the entire supply chain on the price of milk, not just the price paid to farmers.

Diary farmers (and other business people),who blog here should be bloody incensed that a low life Labour Politician remains chair person of of the Commerce Committee.
That committee (along with its bed mates in various activist outfits), has forced Fonterra to reveal its business to the world for its oversea’s owned competitors to see.
Diary farmers should withdraw their supply of milk to anyone other than their own company and just turn it all into exports.
If others want to supply the NZ market then let them to it.

The bigger disgrace of course is that a Labour Politician remains in such a powerful place. Have National got no one that could do this job? Could they not have asked an Act MP if they didn’t?

DPF asked the other day if National had the Nuts to do some other task and its clearly the case that they don’t.

Dairy farmers should be incensed that what was once the “Farmers Party” is now no longer and business people should feel the same.

Whilst they haven’t quite traveled to the anti business stance of Labour they appear to be getting closer.

Think before you vote.
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September 23, 2011 6:31am
Viking2

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5671274/Don-Brash-to-contest-North-Shore
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September 23, 2011 6:35am
Viking2

When you open a river gate the flood comes pouring in.

We predicted this sometime back and now its spreading like STD’s

40km/h limit on 100 Hamilton streets
By Natalie Akoorie
5:30 AM Friday Sep 23, 2011

Almost every school in the city is now part of a 40km/h speed zone. The limit will also apply to streets which have high numbers of vulnerable road users.
The speed limit on more than 100 streets in Hamilton is to be reduced to 40km/h from next month as part of a project aimed at protecting vulnerable road users.

How the hell is a visiting motorist going to know what the limit is every 100 meters down the road.
NZ on slow, Productivity down further.

Pedestrians more important than the cars that pay for the roads.
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September 23, 2011 6:47am
Manolo

Whilst they haven’t quite traveled to the anti business stance of Labour they appear to be getting closer.

Inch by inch Labour lite, aka National, is reaching that point. You don’t need to see past the Green fifth-columnist, Nick Smith, to prove your premise.
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September 23, 2011 7:01am
mikenmild

V2
Since the introduction of MMP it has become common for non-government MPs to chair select committees. Government parties no longer have the numbers to control every committee. This has been good thing.
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September 23, 2011 7:18am
Manolo

These days life is very hard for investors: http://www.cnbc.com/id/44626413
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September 23, 2011 7:19am
Jinky

Back from work commitments. I too saw John key reaffirm his promise to the miners familiues. Good on him. My statement that I don’t like being lied to was just that a statement. It was not directed at any one person or political party. asd i said later they all tell lies. As for my experience in mining I have only been “down the pit” on 2 occasions but as the grandson, nephew and cousin to sevaral miners I do have a basic knowledge of what happens there. I was not claiming expertise for myself but in support of Mine rescue teams. It would be nice to be able to come on here and pose commentrs without being abused as “scum” or “leftard”for merely having an opinion that someone else (bereal) doesn’t like. This is the site I post on no other. Please stop making stuff up!
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