General Debate 9 August 2011

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starboard

..go on then..
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August 9, 2011 8:05am
Murray

no.
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August 9, 2011 8:07am
wreck1080

How Iceland is recovering….How about this for a tax….

Annie Mist, the world’s fittest woman will have to bring the USD 250,000 prize money to the Icelandic Central Bank within two weeks; otherwise she risks a prosecution for violating the rules on foreign exchange. She can expect to pay the Icelandic supertax.

The prize money is paid in US dollars and surpasses the legal limit of foreign currency ownership for Icelandic citizens living in Iceland

Annie Mist can expect to pay the Icelandic tax authorities an estimated USD 111,731 in supertax.

Imagine that, winning 250k in a fitness competition in the USA, and then having to fork over 111k in ‘foreign exchange’ tax .

Nasty!
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August 9, 2011 8:08am
Inventory2

Isn’t it fun when the worm turns, and even bloggers like Irish Bill at The Standard turn their anger on Labour, and Trevor Mallard in particular?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/08/when-worm-turns.html

Even the cheerleaders are putting down their pom-poms and leaving the stadium…
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August 9, 2011 8:08am
flipper

When the David Carter milk enquiry is discussed at Caucus today it would be helpful to know whether there is any metabolic or chemical difference between milk brands. For example between premium Anchor and Standard and Home Brand?

This would help settle an argument. One person believes the fat content of, say Home Brand/Standard, has been reduced and the milk thinned or blended. They argue that the taste is significantly different.

My view is that it would be illegal to do that and present it as conventional or standard milk. Does anyone know?
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August 9, 2011 8:09am
starboard

I see the natives in England are growing restless..looting , arson , rioting…shoot them.
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August 9, 2011 8:18am
Rodders

mornin’ starboard. Plenty of castor oil poured on your weet-bix?
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August 9, 2011 8:22am
Murray

Define “natives” in such a context that it applies to the rioters starboard.
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August 9, 2011 8:22am
starboard

the black people murray..the black people/muslims. Go on Murray..prove me wrong.
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August 9, 2011 8:26am
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10743870 Of the 7400, about half did not reapply, more than 2000 had reapplied but had found work, and 1400 had either left the country, were studying, or failed the work test. 11% of the total! shorely heads should roll somewhere
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August 9, 2011 8:27am
wreck1080

@Griff—-I’d like to see an investigation into those who did not reapply for the benefit—

Not only to detect historical fraud, but to also find ‘holes’ in the existing systems that can be closed.

There is a wealth of data, it needs mining for gold. Give me a million bucks and the data, and I bet I could save that 10 fold.
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August 9, 2011 8:35am
Scott Chris

flipper

The milk enquiry: Storm in a teacup 😉
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August 9, 2011 8:37am
Luc Hansen

An unseemly tussle over the memory of Nancy Wake:

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sydney-schoolgirl-who-left-nazis-in-her-wake/story-e6frg6n6-1226111263108

cf

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10743867:Fearless NZ-born war heroine made life hell for the Gestapo

Can’t we just agree to share?
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August 9, 2011 8:37am
Murray

Starboard you are a racist and a bad bad man.

Welcome to the club, we have t-shirts.
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August 9, 2011 8:39am
Rodders

Morning Luc. What time did “she who must be obeyed” leave for work? 🙂
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August 9, 2011 8:39am
Griff

slappy sue will be winding up unemployed workers rights over this
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August 9, 2011 8:44am
Scott Chris

Movie Fan Has Nose And Ear Bitten Off For Eating Popcorn Too Loudly By Enraged Lawyer

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/07/19/movie-fan-has-nose-and-ear-bitten-off-after-eating-popcorn-too-loudly-115875-23280866/

Apparently it was a horror movie
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August 9, 2011 8:45am
starboard

I have family over there telling me whats goin on. ” the muslims and the blacks going mad..mostly all under 25 just looking for trouble while the police stand by and do nothing”.
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August 9, 2011 8:47am
Pete George

The milk enquiry: Storm in a teacup – yeah, that’s what I thought: What’s in the milk?

At $2.90 per 2 litres that’s 29 cents per 200ml glass. Even 40 or 50 cents isn’t a lot compared to many other things of comparable nutrition.

Compare the price of 2 litres of milk to one meat pie, or one hamburger and it doesn’t seem that bad.
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August 9, 2011 8:56am
Scott Chris

starboard

How does he know that the rioters are Muslim?
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August 9, 2011 9:01am
mikenmild

The same way he ‘knew’ the chap who hit Michael Laws was Maori. starboard just knows this stuff. Trust him.
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August 9, 2011 9:06am
Murray

Beacuse they yell allah fucking akbar when they throw the rocks. How do you think.
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August 9, 2011 9:07am
Griff

They stop rioting and face mecca 7 times a day?
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August 9, 2011 9:07am
Murray

5
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August 9, 2011 9:08am
starboard

c’mon Scott..they all look the same. Big noses , towel on the head..brick in one hand , molotov in the other.
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August 9, 2011 9:11am
slightlyrighty

Had a polling company call last night. Apart from the obvious questions, such as Who I will be voting for, and who I voted for last election, the also asked me who I thought was lying out of Phill Goff and Warren Tucker, and what I thought of Trevor Mallard.

If this election is being fought on personalities, labour will struggle.
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August 9, 2011 9:12am
starboard

Milkymike…google “useful idiot ” ..I am certain it applies to you.
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August 9, 2011 9:13am
dime

i was just about to ask.. whats going on in london? are the Mohammed’s upset?
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August 9, 2011 9:14am
Rodders

starboard…google “Alf Garnett” ..I am certain it applies to you.
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August 9, 2011 9:14am
pdm

Red Alert abandons its final pretence at allowing free speech. Clare Curran says:

“The trolls who inhabit this site are on notice.

You have been tolerated for long enough. Your tactics are increasingly obvious. Real debate is encouraged on Red Alert, but not trolling.

You will be banned without notice.”

Nice one Clare.
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August 9, 2011 9:20am
Rodders

@pdm – Has Trevor received that warning too? 😉
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August 9, 2011 9:24am
Pete George

Clare is still conflicted between transparency/free speech, and message control. Unless she was never really serious about the former.
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August 9, 2011 9:25am
dime

Clare Curran is just batshit crazy. Is she in a safe seat?

If so, i think we should invent something like a painted apple moth outbreak and start spraying that electorate, because those people are as nuts as she is
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August 9, 2011 9:28am
Luc Hansen

pdm (783) Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

Red Alert abandons its final pretence at allowing free speech. Clare Curran says:

Is this another example of Labour shooting itself in both feet? Like Phil Goff actually turning down a TV interview?

Do you want to drive traffic to your site or not, Clare?

Just turn off the moderation and let the mad dogs speak for themselves.

Remember the golden rule of publicity.

Rodders, good morning and I dunno. I wake up when the toddler kicks me in the ribs and demands TV be turned on – and to make it worse, I can’t get her interested in the news channels yet!
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August 9, 2011 9:34am
Rodders

Sounds like you now have two “she’s” to be obeyed, Luc 😉
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August 9, 2011 9:36am
Scott Chris

“Rodders, good morning and I dunno. I wake up when the toddler kicks me in the ribs and demands TV be turned on – and to make it worse, I can’t get her interested in the news channels yet!”

I liked Basil Brush as a kid…. Fox news boom boom!
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August 9, 2011 9:43am
Longknives

Re the London Riots- They were sparked after a guy died during a shoot-out with Police in Tottenham. The locals have gone on a rioting and looting rampage as a result of this, apparently at war with the ‘Racist Police’.

“In Hackney, with the street thick with smoke, looters smashed their way into a local shop, stealing whisky and beer. One had even grabbed a packet of cornflakes. Another man ran away laughing while carrying four bottles of whisky.”

Clearly these ‘oppressed’ people have a tremendous Political Conscience.
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August 9, 2011 9:45am
kowtow

Riots in Britain, for real insights go to the inspector gadget website.

I love the reporters saying these people are “youths.” They’re criminal rioters and should be shot.
The same reporters who demand police action would be reporting police brutality. Police are always in a lose/lose situation.

Problem in mainland Britain is tactics. Politicians and senior police insist on soft tactics with rioters.
This would not happen in Ulster in the past where baton rounds would be fired to disperse such mobs…….but that is politically unacceptable on the mainland.
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August 9, 2011 9:51am
Luc Hansen

Scott, I watch a lot of Fox.

I think it’s my sado-masochistic streak!

I like Bill OReilly, even if he should be in an asylum.

It drives my wife crazy but I tell her one must always know where the enemy lurks 🙂
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August 9, 2011 9:54am
Luc Hansen

kowtow (1,124) Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am

Riots in Britain, for real insights go to the inspector gadget website.

I love the reporters saying these people are “youths.” They’re criminal rioters and should be shot.

You mean like in Syria?
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August 9, 2011 9:56am
pdm

Just a note re my 9.20am.

This was not personal to me from Clare – it is part of a post over at Red Alert.
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August 9, 2011 10:25am
Scott Chris

Luc

As do I, ‘though watching Fox makes me feel like a rubber-necker.

You may have seen Jon Stewart’s ‘tribute’ to Beck and Murdoch. Hilarious:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/collection/391518/a-tribute-to-rupert-murdoch/366131
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August 9, 2011 10:31am
grumpyoldhori

Kowtow, baton rounds ? first time I have seen 7.62 rounds called baton rounds.
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August 9, 2011 10:32am
Murray

Where does Birmingham childrens hospital fit in to the racist cops theory?
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August 9, 2011 10:46am
side show bob

We reap what we sow and one only has to look at England. Years of wet liberal policy will be the death of the Poms. London burns and madness rules. Must be heartbreaking to watch your business or home go up in flames and stand there helpless. Of course the people have been castrated by left leaning scumbag politicians who believe government is the sole enforcer. I wonder how much rioting would be happening if responsible, licensed firearm owners could still posses firearms.
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August 9, 2011 11:23am
KevinH

Plenty of white faces in the rioters, anachists, fascists, they are all in it, it’s a free for all, vandalism, mass destruction, looting.
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August 9, 2011 11:42am
Murray

Yeah those white power freaks are always going off at Ramadan Kevin.
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August 9, 2011 11:58am
bereal

We need an open discussion in New Zealand on immigration to establish some aims, and a plan.
Without one we know what is likely to happen.
Multiculturalism doesn’t work.
In the UK the problems inherent in open immigration were identified by Enoch Powell and they
have taken a mere 40 years to grossly manifest.
We are currently making it work well with two main cultures and a variety of largely compatable
minors (pacifika etc.)
But why would we want to continue to import immigrants who we know will not integrate and
will eventually seek to impose their culture on their hosts, us ?
40 years ago there were a handfull of muslims in NZ now there are 50 thousand odd.
All western countries with significant muslim immigration now have unsolvable problems.
The genie cannot be put back in the bottle.
Is it the huge influence of political correctness that makes this topic verbotten ?
Is it because its a no win political subject ? ( at least for the next 35 years)
Has 9 years of Helen Clark telling us we are a secular, multicultural society as she paved her way to the UN
conned us ?
Why will nobody address this question ?
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August 9, 2011 12:06pm
kaya

side show bob (3,362) Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am

We reap what we sow and one only has to look at England. Years of wet liberal policy will be the death of the Poms.

Agreed, but don’t forget to add 20 years of taking away hope for people by moving jobs offshore to cheap labour countries. Then, just to pour lemon juice into the paper cut throw in bailing out private financial organisations to the tune of billions using taxpayers money, after which the greedy fuckers go straight back to paying themselves stupid bonuses on top of already huge salaries.
No wonder the peasants are revolting. They probably don’t know it themselves but these are all contributing factors.

To those who suggest shooting them? Magic idea, let’s have another Syria. It’s been a few hundred years since the Poms had a revolution, they must be about due another one.
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August 9, 2011 12:54pm
kaya

“And just on the whole Capitalist rools, fuck all other systems, ya boo sucks.”

Don’t you find it deliciously ironic that Adidas are stopping certain overseas suppliers selling All Black shirts into NZ?
This is the same protectionism that was used (and correctly ridiculed) in the bad old days of strong, left wing unions to protect jobs and artificially keep prices high via tarriffs etc.

Remember those days? When governments were called on to bail out failing car manufacturers in the UK to protect jobs?

Fast forward to 2010 and we are bailing out banks, finance companies, companies are seeking protection for their products from overseas sellers. Aididas aren’t the only ones to have licencing agreements. It would seem that nothing much has changed in the last 60 years except the name of the ideology.

Mind you, there is one small difference in the two scenarios, in the old days those anti free market measures were taken to protect jobs, these days the same tactics are being employed to protect profits. Something pongs a bit.

I don’t believe free markets are the best option, however I understand the argument and if it is the consensus of society I am happy to work within that framework and debate the point later. But they have to actually be FREE!

I work for myself, the harder I work the more I earn, it seems like a reasonable sort of a system. This is why I find it ridiculous that big businesses are employing exactly the same tactics as the left did through the second half of the twentieth century. The only difference as noted is concern for profit compared to concern for people. That’s probably why I am more of a socialist with capitalist traits (or vice versa) than an Ayn Rand fan.
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August 9, 2011 1:01pm
Mick Mac

bereal (738) Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

Because they are behaving like dhimmis already.
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August 9, 2011 1:09pm
wreck1080

To all those who were saying the NZD was not strong, rather, it was other economies that were weak….

Well, the US and UK economies must have dramatically improved over the last few days, yay to them.

Look at the pound, it has dropped from around .54 to .49, must have solved their economic woes eh!
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August 9, 2011 2:09pm
starboard

“Liberalism is a disease that attacks the moral backbone of a civilization, rotting it into a putrescent jelly that cannot hold society erect. At that point it collapses. This is happening now in Britain, which was one of the greatest nations in history within the memory of many still living today”
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August 9, 2011 5:25pm
holysheet

Longknives (338) Says:
August 9th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Re the London Riots- They were sparked after a guy died during a shoot-out with Police in Tottenham. The locals have gone on a rioting and looting rampage as a result of this, apparently at war with the ‘Racist Police’.

“In Hackney, with the street thick with smoke, looters smashed their way into a local shop, stealing whisky and beer. One had even grabbed a packet of cornflakes. Another man ran away laughing while carrying four bottles of whisky.”

It can’t be the rag heads, their book does’t allow the use of alcohol
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August 9, 2011 5:28pm
starboard

“It can’t be the rag heads, their book does’t allow the use of alcohol”

To keep their girlfriends pure and virginal they’re not supposed to indulge in sodomy either but they do.
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August 9, 2011 5:37pm
nasska

Shakey went to a psychiatrist. “Doc,” he said, “I’ve got trouble.
Every time I get into bed, I think there’s somebody under it. I
get under the bed, I think there’s somebody on top of it. Top,
under, top, under … you gotta help me, I’m going crazy!”

“Just put yourself in my hands for two years,” said the shrink.
“Come to me three times a week, and I’ll cure your fears.”

“How much do you charge?”

“A hundred dollars per visit.”

“I’ll sleep on it,” said Shakey.

Six months later the doctor met Shakey on the street. “Why
didn’t you ever come to see me again?” asked the psychiatrist.

“For a hundred buck’s a visit?
My bartender cured me for ten dollars.”

“Is that so! And just how did that unlicensed and uneducated
amateur accomplish that?”

“He told me to cut the legs off the bed!”
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August 9, 2011 7:00pm
mikenmild

“Doctor, I can’t stop singing ‘The Green Green Grass of Home'”.

“Ah, you’ve got the Tom Jones Syndrome”.

“Is that very common”?

“It’s not unusual”.
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August 9, 2011 7:06pm
starboard

tsk tsk adidas..business and marketing 101 FAIL.
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August 9, 2011 7:13pm
lofty

Helen Clark is back in town (on a quiet visit to Mum & Dad at Waihi beach) & will not be doing interviews…could this be why Paddy Gower got thrown out of a labour meeting today????
Is the BBQ being fired as we speak.
Is roasted Goff on the menu?
Are we about to be served peeking duck with a side of king prawns?

Oooh the tension is delicious.
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August 9, 2011 7:18pm
Max Call

my family is boycotting adidas.
they are taking the piss out of rugby fans and nz retailers
stuff them – we have old jerseys we can wear and there are plenty of other excellent sports brands to choose from for other purchases
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August 9, 2011 7:24pm
Scott Chris

A fellow walked into a doctor’s office and the receptionist asked him what he had.
He said, “Shingles.”
So she took down his name, address, medical insurance number and told him to have a seat.
A few minutes later a nurse’s aid came out and asked him what he had.
He said, “Shingles.”
So she took down his height, weight, a complete medical history and told him to wait in the examining room.

Ten minutes later a nurse came in and asked him what he had.
He said, “Shingles.”
So she gave him a blood test, a blood pressure test, an electrocardiogram, told him to take off all his clothes and wait for the doctor.

Fifteen minutes later the doctor came in and asked him what he had.
He said, “Shingles.”
The doctor said, “Where?”
He said, “Outside in the truck. Where do you want them?”
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August 9, 2011 7:24pm
nasska

Dear Kids: The tooth fairy does not exist. That money under your pillow is from your parents.
Sincerely, Wikileaks.
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August 9, 2011 7:30pm
Max Call

email for the Adidas NZ Marketing manager according to the website is
adam.daysh@adidas.com
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August 9, 2011 7:44pm
nasska

A woman goes to her doctor for a complete physical examination. The doctor says, “I have some grave news
for you. You only have six months to live.”
“Doctor, what can I do?” the woman cries.
“Marry an accountant.” replies the doctor.
“Will that make me live longer?”
“No,” replies the doc. “But it’ll seem like an eternity.”
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August 9, 2011 8:00pm
Steve

Red Blurt control is fucking rubbish by two iceholes.
Is this a permanent period before menopause for both Clare and Trev? Sad that the once strong Labour Party has been reduced to only hearing themselves.
The worst troll Clare is that fucking cogsucker ‘Spud’ 🙂 Permanent smile, must be on drugs.
Can you see the black hole where you are going to fall into Trev? (imploding)

Rant ends.

Back to the 7.00pm joke time posts. It’s a thing to start after 7
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August 9, 2011 8:05pm
starboard

A blonde and a redhead met for dinner after work and were watching the 6 o’clock news. A man was shown threatening to jump from the Brooklyn Bridge. The blonde bet the redhead $50 that he wouldn’t jump, and the redhead replied, “I’ll take that bet!”

Anyway, sure enough, he jumped, so the blonde gave the redhead the $50 she owned. The redhead said, “I can’t take this, you’re my friend.” The blonde said, “No. A bet’s a bet.”

So the redhead said, “Listen, I have to admit, I saw this one on the 5 o’clock news, so I can’t take your money.”

The blonde replied, “Well, so did I, but I never thought he’d jump again!
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August 9, 2011 8:06pm
nasska

Q. Why do blondes have more fun?
A. They are easier to amuse.

Q. What is it called when a blonde blows into another blonde’s ear?
A. Data transfer.

Q. Why don’t blondes use vibrators?
A. They chip their teeth.
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August 9, 2011 8:15pm
Pauleastbay

my family is boycotting adidas.
they are taking the piss out of ………………………..

Good on you Max, we are bloody unlucky its been made compulsory to buy one of these things…hold on.

I’m boycotting buying a new Hi Lux,..OK not really, I just can’t afford one this year, but I’m not going to begrudge those that can the opportunity
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August 9, 2011 8:26pm
lofty

I am with you pauleastbay..I boycotted buying a new Merc 4×4 and bought a new Ford Ranger instead.

Bloody Germans.

I cannot get worked up over the price of a bloody footie guernsey. Or the price of milk for that matter.
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August 9, 2011 8:33pm
mikenmild

If you want to wear an AB jersey, but you can’t afford one…um maybe don’t get one? If we all boycotted adidas, maybe they’d stop sponsoring the ABs and we’d have Canterbury jerseys for 5% cheaper, maybe. Same with RWC tickets – the tickets to the top games are pretty expensive, but if you want to go you want to go.
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August 9, 2011 8:56pm
Viking2

A driver is stuck in a traffic jam on the Northern motorway.

Nothing is moving.
Suddenly a man knocks on the window. The driver rolls
down his window and asks, “What’s going on?”

“Terrorists have kidnapped Hone and Titiwhai Harawira.
They’re asking for a million dollar ransom.
If they don’t get it they’re going to douse them with
petrol and set them on fire.

We’re going from car to car, taking up a collection.”

The driver asks, “How much is everyone giving, on average?”

“About a litre.”
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August 9, 2011 9:34pm
Griff

Q how do you get rangi out of the bath?
A offer him a hand out

Maori kappa haka
English benefit concert
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August 9, 2011 10:04pm
Elaycee

“Same with RWC tickets – the tickets to the top games are pretty expensive, but if you want to go you want to go.”

One good thing about the RWC ticket prices is that I won’t have to worry about bumping into too many beneficiaries, leftards, unionists, tree huggers or morons at any RWC game (including the final). 😛
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August 10, 2011 2:43am
Viking2

You think?

You will be wrong.
The rest of us will be working so you can see the games, pay for the bill.
How much money are we the taxpayer spending on this?
Does that make you and the rest of the ticket purchaser’s beneficiaries?

Well in my book yes.
Govt. is taking other peoples money and giving it to causes that do not necessarily reflect the interests of the fleeced. That makes the Rugby Union and the ticket purchasers beneficiaries.
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August 10, 2011 6:58am
mikenmild

See you at the final Elaycee.

Yes V2, I appreciate the taxpayers subsidising my entertainment, in much the same way as I appreciate the Wellington ratepayers subsidising the cost of our stadium.

Thanks.
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August 10, 2011 7:37am
Max Call

I never said it was compulsary – just expressing my frustration at ADIDAS charging NZers way more than anyone else. The game tickets I brought cost me the same as anyone else from around the world would have been charged. Not comparable.
no need to be a dick about it guys
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August 10, 2011 11:39am
Elaycee

Milkmilo again dreaming: “See you at the final Elaycee.”

I very much doubt it – entry to the Corporate area is reserved. 😛
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August 10, 2011 7:12pm
mikenmild

That’s okay – I don’t need to freeload.
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August 10, 2011 7:16pm
Elaycee

In my case, moron, I’m paying the bill!
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August 10, 2011 7:18pm
mikenmild

First time you’ve described yourself as a moron. It suits you.
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August 10, 2011 7:19pm
Elaycee

Foxtrot Oscar, milkmilo. You actually give morons a bad name.

Out.
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August 10, 2011 7:21pm

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