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Charles Keeling

http://cdiac.ornl.gov/new/keel_page.html

Guy Callender

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Stewart_Callendar
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August 6, 2011 6:26pm
mikenmild

cha

I really have no idea why anyone would pretend that concern about global warming on began with Al Gore’s film.
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August 6, 2011 6:31pm
cha

mikenmild

When sky started carrying faux news.
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August 6, 2011 6:36pm
wat dabney

So, just smear and inuendo then.

The alarmists here offer zero evidence, whilst sceptics point to link after link after link of solid science.

Keep pounding the table guys. Perhaps those rather unconfident attempts at sneers will suffice in place of evidence?
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August 6, 2011 6:44pm
wreck1080

@viking2:

Theft is theft of course, but, to lose a job that may pay 60,000 a year over a single 20c dvd does seem over the top. I’ve taken a pen from work before, and , shockingly, not returned it as I considered it unimportant. I’ve also taken other pens from some places where you are supposed to fill in some personal details (doctors/dentists etc) — not intentionally, just distracted on other things.

As mentioned by someone else, possible sloppy reporting and this is just one of many issues with the employee.
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August 6, 2011 6:48pm
mikenmild

wat

I’m not going to post links here. There actually have been plenty posted by cha, Griff and others. This isn’t really about pointing to articles or summaries or wikipedia entries. It’s about a quasi-religious belief. To take one side of the debate, you need to agree with a broad consensus of scientific opinion. Of course the science isn’t settled, it never is, but the consensus is pretty clear. To take the other side of the debate, you need to endorse the biggest conspiracy theory ever.
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August 6, 2011 6:57pm
nasska

A blonde woman walks into a store. Curious about a shiny object, she asks, “What is that?”
The sales assistant responds, “It’s a thermos.”
The blonde then asks, “What does it do?”
The sales assistant says “It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold.”
So she buys one.
The next day, she brings it to work with her. Her boss, also a blonde, asks, “What is that shiny object?”
She replies “It’s a thermos.”
She asks, “What does it do?”
She says, “It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold.”
She then asks, “What do you have in there?”
“Two cups of coffee and an popiscle.”
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August 6, 2011 7:00pm
reid

To take one side of the debate, you need to agree with a broad consensus of scientific opinion.

No, you need to agree with the publicly accepted ~~propaganda~~ perception management campaign.

Of course the science isn’t settled, it never is, but the consensus is pretty clear.

You mean amongst the useful idiots, or everybody, mm?

To take the other side of the debate, you need to endorse the biggest conspiracy theory ever.

No you simply need to recognise there are powerful interests who significantly benefit from this and think about the entire history of it accordingly. This is what one does whenever anyone is analysing any political phenomena be it Goff’s latest SIS difficulty or AGW. Same principles apply:

Who has a vested interest?

Why?

What does that mean in light of their behaviour on this issue?

Same principles apply, mm. No conspiracy, whatsoever. What, are you some sort of conspiracy nut? Do you think about it so much you can’t stop thinking about it? Crikey.

Get help. For your own sake.
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August 6, 2011 7:16pm
nasska

This man and this woman are sitting next to each other in first class, flying to Paris. The man sneezes, pulls out his wang and wipes the tip off. The woman can’t believe what she just saw and decides she is hallucinating. A few minutes pass. The man sneezes again. He pulls out his wang and wipes the tip off. The woman is about to go nuts. She can’t believe that such a rude person exists. A few minutes pass. The man sneezes yet again. He takes his wang out and wipes the tip off. The woman has finally had enough. She turns to the man and says, “Three times you’ve sneezed, and three times you’ve removed your penis from your pants to wipe it off! What the hell kind of degenerate are you?” The man replies, “I am sorry to have disturbed you, ma’am. I have a very rare condition such that when sneeze, I have an orgasm.”
The woman then says, “Oh, how strange. What are you taking for it?”
The man looks at her and says, “Pepper.”
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August 6, 2011 8:00pm
Viking2

Attention for a moment please Ladies and gentlemen and others.
Stop press of the most urgent.

http://www.telstraclear.co.nz/news/news-story.cfm?content_id=815173

SIS admit no record of Goff receiving spy information

Saturday, 6, Aug, 2011 1:13PM

The SIS says it has no record of Labour leader Phil Goff admitting he had read or received documents in which the Israeli spy investigation was mentioned.

Director Warren Tucker’s responded to our Newsroom request about why documents were released to blogger Cameron Slater under the Official Information Act and not to other media, by saying Mr Slater was the only one to make a request under the Act.

The document is a briefing note regarding a meeting held between Labour leader Phil Goff and Dr Tucker, at which the Israeli spy case was mentioned, but Mr Goff denies he was told about.

Dr Tucker admits he has nothing from Mr Goff that acknowledges the Labour Party leader had read or received those documents.

Both the Prime Minister and Mr Goff were told of the decision to release the information, most of which was edited, before it happened.

The release of any further information has been declined by Dr Tucker to protect the confidentiality of officials.
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August 6, 2011 8:00pm
Viking2

Tainui boss overthrown
KARLA AKUHATA

Tukoroirangi Morgan has been removed from Tainui’s tribal parliament for allegedly bringing the tribe into disrepute.

Mr Morgan is the chairman of the tribe’s executive board, Te Arataura, but at a meeting today the parliament was asked to vote on a resolution which sought his removal because it was alleged he had acted in a manner which had bought or was likely to bring the tribe into disrepute.

The resolution required 50 per cent support to be passed and 30 marae voted in favour, 27 against and two abstained.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5402552/Tainui-boss-overthrown
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August 6, 2011 8:07pm
Viking2

Conversion Carter. NZ 17-0.
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August 6, 2011 8:10pm
Scott Chris

There was an incident some years ago in New Zealand, involving a man who had appropriated some sensitive documents from, I think, the BNZ, and was demanding a considerable sum of money to ensure their safe return. I can’t remember why, but for some reason he couldn’t be charged with theft or extortion, so the bank duly paid up. A few days later, he was mysteriously killed in a car accident which took place under spaghetti junction in Auckland, though apparently, there were no witnesses on what is normally a busy motorway.

The thing is, the circumstances surrounding his death had all the hallmarks of a professional hit, but there was no evidence of this, so one can only conclude that this was an accident. The Occams Razor principle would bear out this conclusion.
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August 6, 2011 8:11pm
nasska

V2

Obviously the bills for his underwear were crippling the tribe’s finances.
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August 6, 2011 8:14pm
Andrei

Scott that guy bought a second hand PC that had come from the Bank and it had the data still on it.

Banks used to donate that sort of thing to schools but I think they didn’t do that anymore after that incident
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August 6, 2011 8:29pm
Rodders

@Scott @ 8:11pm – you are referring to the 1992 death of Paul White. Ian Wishart investigated the case.
http://www.investigatemagazine.com/docs/para1xtr.htm
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August 6, 2011 8:30pm
niggly

V2 re telstra news

I thought the SIS had already said they don’t have any record of Goof admitting he has read or received documents … which is why he knows he can keep sticking to his script….

Telstra flippin’ news, not!
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August 6, 2011 8:32pm
Andrei

Viking2 that is spin of the most egregious sort.

What that means is that he doesn’t have Goff’s signature on anything to say he has read the document.

And also Fairfax media have also had an OIA request fulfilled with the documents Cam Slater asked for + the equivalent ones given to the Prime Minister.

Goof is not off the hook and needs to be hung by his testicles from it in IMHO
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August 6, 2011 8:34pm
Viking2

NZ 30-14.
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August 6, 2011 9:13pm
Nookin

No Minister presents an interesting argument that it Goff himself who was responsible for the leak to Southland Times. Now wouldn’t that boost labour’s election prospects if that turned out to be the case.

http://nominister.blogspot.com/
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August 6, 2011 9:15pm
Nookin

V2
A spanking. That will hurt the precocious ones. And they can get better.
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August 6, 2011 9:16pm
wat dabney

mikenmild,

If you are completely uninterested in evidence you should have said so.

If you’re happy to behave like a sheep then that’s entirely your business.

There’s nothing you can be shown which will make you question your credulity of these “scientists”, whose central piece of evidence – the Hockeystick – has been thoroughly debunked, who have been exposed as colluding to pervert the scientific method and to fabricate evidence, who had to be forced through Freedom of Information Acts to hand over their shoddy data, and who have been exposed as trying to sabotage an analysis which demonstrated the falsity of their efforts.

If you want to be led around by the nose then feel free, but don’t make yourself look an even bigger tit by trying to suggest that those of us who take an active interest in the actual facts and the evidence are the ones engaging in a “quasi-religious belief.”
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August 6, 2011 9:17pm
Viking2

Party will contest all Maori seats

Saturday, 6, Aug, 2011 4:36PM

Hone Harawira’s Mana Party has confirmed it will contest Maori electorate seats in this year’s election.

At today’s AGM, Mr Harawira has been confirmed as the party leader, and the party constitution has also been confirmed.

Vice-president Annette Sykes says there will be a fierce contest for Maori electorate seats.

She says there was a clear, unanimous decision that the party should stand candidates in all the Maori seats.

Annette Sykes says the Mana Party’s new election strategy will be launched shortly.

This will be fun to watch. Wonder who is going to eat whose eyeballs at the end.
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August 6, 2011 9:20pm
Viking2

nasska (1,231) Says:
August 6th, 2011 at 8:14 pm

V2

Obviously the bills for his underwear were crippling the tribe’s finances.

Yep i.3 mill in 7 months apparently.
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August 6, 2011 9:25pm
Nookin

Found this one on Homepaddock. Quite liked it.

A rugby referee died and went to heaven. Stopped by St Peter at the gates he was told that only brave people who had performed heroic deeds and had the courage of their convictions could enter. If the ref could describe a situation in his life where he had shown these characteristics, he would be allowed in.

“Well,” said the ref, “I was reffing a match between the All Blacks and Wallabies. The ABs were 2 points ahead and just a minute to go. The Wallabies’ wing made a break, passed inside to his lock. The lock was driven on by his forwards, passed out to the flanker who ducked blind and went over in the corner. He dropped the ball before he could ground it, but the hooker grounded it. As the Wallabies were clearly the better side all game, I ruled that the flanker had dropped the ball down, not forward, and awarded the try.”

“OK, that was fairly brave of you, but I will have to check it in the book.” says Peter, and disappears to look it up. When he comes back he says “Sorry, there is no record of this. Can you help me to trace it? When did all this happen?”

The ref looked at his watch and replied “45 seconds ago.”
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August 6, 2011 9:35pm
mikenmild

All Blacks 30-14 over Wallabies. Very enjoyable game to watch and a great message to Australia and others ahead of the RWC.
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August 6, 2011 9:48pm
mikenmild

wat

You misinterpret – seems to be a common trait from the ‘skeptics’. You produce some credible evidence of your position, that by some miraculous chance suddenly convinces hundreds of climate scientists, and I’ll sit up and take notice. Until then, I shall remain convinced that climate change is happening, the Earth is round, humans have actually made it to the moon, etc, etc…
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August 6, 2011 9:53pm
wat dabney

mikenmild,

No, there’s no misinterpretation.

As I have said before – to Luc as he peddled his bare-faced lies here – it doesn’t matter what you think or what you say here. I post links to actual evidence which disproves the alarmism and exposes the “scientists” for the charlatans they are. You’re just the foil, a reason for me to rehearse the evidence. Anyone and everyone else who sees those links and sees the evidence (perhaps for the first time, since you won’t get it from the MSM) can make up their own minds. I think most people will be interested in, for example, the exposure of Trenberth’s lies posted above, or the temperature chart showing no net warming since the war, or the fact that the Hockeystick was totally discredited when examined by top statisticians. You just won’t get that information from a newspaper or the TV.

So while you might think you are being very clever by refusing to acknowledge the evidence, I’m more than happy for you to keep displaying your blinkered denial. Please post some more. And I’ll keep replying by posting those links to information which perhaps not everyone has seen.
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August 6, 2011 10:16pm
Griff

The funds behind the deniers claims can be traced back to people who have commercial fingers in the carbon industry. oil baron is a term that springs to mind. I am not rabbiting on about conspiracy theory nevertheless this is quite easily inferred
I have no problem with scientist having opposing opinions on the science Having non scientist pr people being paid to disseminate false information is a little manipulative

wat the hokey stick is interesting the last decade has been the warmest on record including the two warmest years on record
look at the whole world records not just the USA also look at the trend up and up The scientist are not suing each other the deniers have sued the scientist and lost. The data is commercial try getting a high resolution sst from our niwa for free That was the problem the only data not now available is Poland your links often dis prove your view point you should read them carefully not just post crap
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August 6, 2011 10:22pm
Inventory2

It was entertainment night at the Senior Citizens Center.

Claude the hypnotist explained: “I’m here to put you into a trance; I intend to hypnotize each and every member of the audience.”
The excitement was almost electric as Claude withdrew a beautiful antique pocket watch from his coat.
“I want you each to keep your eye on this antique watch. It’s a very special watch. It’s been in my family for six generations”
He began to swing the watch gently back and forth while quietly chanting, “Watch the watch, watch the watch, watch the watch. .. …” The crowd became mesmerized as the watch swayed back and forth, light gleaming off its polished surface.
Hundreds of pairs eyes followed the swaying watch, until, suddenly, the the chain broke, it slipped from the hypnotist’s fingers and fell to the floor, breaking into a hundred pieces.

“SHIT!” said the Hypnotist.

It took three days to clean up the Senior Citizens Center. Claude was never invited back.
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August 6, 2011 10:32pm
Griff

This one will not go down to well never mind
http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=6
If you read this you will see some familiar names crop up time and again
please note I reached my own conclusion before reading sites like the one above thanks deniers you have educated me
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August 6, 2011 10:50pm
Other_Andy

Griff

Do you think this is a secret?

“…please note I reached my own conclusion before reading sites like the one above thanks deniers you have educated me”

Well congratulations Griff.
This shows you don’t read a thing that’s posted here.

The following link was posted three times on this blog (By the so called ‘deniers’) in the last two days.
Did you read it Sherlock?
http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/climate_money.pdf”

I think I will go with wat dabney’s observation.

“If you are completely uninterested in evidence you should have said so.
If you’re happy to behave like a sheep then that’s entirely your business.
If you want to be led around by the nose then feel free, but don’t make yourself look an even bigger tit by trying to suggest that those of us who take an active interest in the actual facts and the evidence are the ones engaging in a “quasi-religious belief.”
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August 6, 2011 11:08pm
Griff

The facts are not wot U present just more misrepresentation by pr flunky’s in the hands of that oh so honest institution the oil industry
If you give me a link I read it I also look at who is presenting the information and why Much more in important on the web than just reading web sites
oh look surprise surprise she is linked to the heartland institute
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August 6, 2011 11:30pm
Nookin

IV2
Do I go to bed or watch the Warriors? If I go to bed I might hypothesise what might have happened had the hypnotist said FUCK instead of SHIT.
I think I’ll watch the Warriors.
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August 6, 2011 11:34pm
Nookin

20 years ago he would have said BUGGER. Now that would have livened the rest home.
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August 6, 2011 11:40pm
axeman

Here you go Milkymilo. Some reports from skeptik scientists

Canada – Dr. Fred Michel, (Paleoclimatologist) director of the Institute of Environmental Science and Associate Professor of the Department of Earth Sciences at Carleton University in Canada.

“Climate hysteria has been known to be a sham all along.”
“As someone who has worked in the arctic on topics such as permafrost, groundwater, and Quaternary glacial history, it has always been quite clear that the climate is constantly changing and that natural processes are able to produce very large changes over very short time periods.”
[We need] “to return our focus to the important issues that need to be addressed, which includes being aware of the effects of a changing climate whether it be warmer or colder.”

USA – Dr. Will Happer (Physicist), Princeton and noted energy expert sharply criticized global warming alarmism. Happer, author of over 200 scientific papers and a past director of energy research at the Department of Energy, called fears over global warming “mistaken”
“I have spent a long research career studying physics that is closely related to the greenhouse effect”, said Happer. “Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.”
Dr. Happer views climate change as a predominately natural process. “The earth’s climate is changing now, as it always has. There is no evidence that the changes differ in any qualitative way from those of the past.”
Dr Happer was appointed director of energy research for the US Department of Energy (1991). In 1993, he testified before Congress that the scientific data didn’t support widespread fears about the dangers of the ozone hole and global warming, remarks that caused, then, Vice President, Al Gore to fire him.
“I was told that science was not going to intrude on public policy but I did not need the job that badly”.
“Computer models used to generate frightening scenarios from increasing levels of carbon dioxide have scant credibility,” Happer concluded.
Dr Happer’s latest remarks were made as he asked to be included in a Senate Environment and Public Works report of scientists disputing global warming alarmism. Happer joins 650 other scientists on the list

South Africa – Dr. Philip Lloyd, UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author, Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer, and author of more than 150 refereed publications.
“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil. I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.”

Canada – Dr Tim Patterson (Paleoclimatologist) – Professor of Geology – Carlton University
“Many things we thought we knew about the climate system just a few years ago are now proving to be uncertain or quite mistaken.”
“Over the course of about a year, I switched allegiances,” he wrote. “As the proxy results began to come in, we were astounded to find that paleoclimatic and paleo-productivity records were full of cycles that corresponded to various sun-spot cycles. About that time, [geochemist] Jan Veizer and others [like Dr Shaviv] began to publish reasonable hypotheses as to how solar signals could be amplified and control climate.”
Patterson says his conversion “probably cost me a lot of grant money. However, as a scientist I go where the science takes me and not were activists want me to go.” Patterson now asserts that more and more scientists are converting to climate skeptics [realists].
“There is no meaningful correlation between CO2 levels and Earth’s temperature over this [geologic] time frame. In fact, when CO2 levels were over ten times higher than they are now, about 450 million years ago, the planet was in the depths of the absolute coldest period in the last half billion years.”
Patterson asked the committee, “On the basis of this evidence, how could anyone still believe that the recent relatively small increase in CO2 levels would be the major cause of the past century’s modest warming?”
Patterson concluded his testimony by explaining what his research and “hundreds of other studies” reveal: “on all time scales, there is very good correlation between Earth’s temperature and natural celestial phenomena such changes in the brightness of the Sun.”
Dr Patterson also comments: “When the IPCC report was being written, specialists in the field knew there was good evidence this natural amplification of the direct heating effect of the sun could explain recent warming. However, the IPCC left the idea aside under the label “Very Low Scientific Understanding,” partly because of the short length of time for which good data existed. Even though the solar-cosmic ray climate link appeared to many experts to be more meaningful than the CO2 climate connection, skeptics of the cosmic ray theory have argued we are unable to differentiate between the impact of CO2 and solar activity when the only data we have was during a period when both were increasing in unison. Thanks to Veizer and Shaviv, the missing data now has been provided.

Norway – Dr Tom Segalstad (Geologist & Geochemist) UN-PCC Expert Reviewer , a professor and head of the Geological Museum at the University of Oslo and formerly an expert reviewer with the UN IPCC:
“It is a search for a mythical CO2 sink to explain an immeasurable CO2 lifetime to fit a hypothetical CO2 computer model that purports to show that an impossible amount of fossil fuel burning is heating the atmosphere. It is all a fiction.”

Japan – Dr Kiminori Itoh (Environmental Physical Chemist) Yokohama National University UN-IPCC expert reviewer
“Man-made warming is the worst scientific scandal in history.”
“When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.”

UK – Dr. Wilson Flood (Chemist), of the Royal Society of Chemistry and a chemistry education consultant, wrote that it is an “unproven hypothesis that rising greenhouse gas levels are largely responsible for climate change” in a June 27, 2007 letter to the Scotsman newspaper.
“….Further Met Office data also shows that global temperatures have actually fallen slightly in the last decade and have shown no statistically significant rise since 1990. Just to cap it all, NASA studies show that atmospheric levels of the greenhouse gas methane are falling, not rising. All of the above are easily verifiable and fly in the face of the conventional wisdom. But, hey, we shouldn’t let a few inconvenient facts get in the way of what politicians believe, should we?”
Flood wrote In the May 2006 edition of Education in Chemistry, explaining:
“Of all the scientific disciplines, chemistry equips us best to grasp the essentials of the global warming debate. After all global warming comes down to the absorption of infrared radiation by organic molecules, coupled with the mole concept which allows us to convert tonnes of fossil fuels into tonnes of carbon dioxide.” Flood continued, “Those claiming that the effects of global warming from additional greenhouse gases can already be detected, I believe, are deluding themselves. It would take 5.5Wm-2 to produce a rise of 1K and an 11K rise (sometimes claimed) would need a massive 55W of additional energy for every square metre of the Earth’s surface. There simply is not that amount of energy available still to be absorbed from the Earth’s spectrum, most of which is largely saturated anyway owing to absorption by carbon dioxide and water vapour.” Flood said, “Those who promote apocalyptic global warming claim that the sensitivity is much higher than 0.18K, some claiming 0.75K and even 1.5K.6 These claims are mainly based on a postulated magnifying effect of water vapour but, from a consideration of infrared absorption spectroscopy in relation to the spectrum emitted by a body at 288K, it is not clear how such large values can be achieved.” Flood concluded by noting that the proponents of a climate catastrophe are out “to frighten the population.”

USA – Dr. Chris Walcek (Atmospheric Scientist), a professor at the University at Albany in NY and a Senior Research Associate at the Atmospheric Sciences Research Center who studies the relationship of pollutants within the atmosphere. Walcek is a sceptic of man-made global warming fears: “10,000 years ago we were sitting under 2,000 feet of ice right here. It looked like Antarctica right here. And then over a one to two thousand year period, we went into today’s climate and the cause of that change is not, well, nobody has a definitive theory about why that happened,” Walcek said according to a November 6, 2007 article In a separate May 5, 2007 interview, Walcek expanded on his climate skepticism and accused former Vice President Al Gore of having “exaggerated” part of his film. “A lot of the imagery like hurricanes and tornados. And as far as tornados go, there is no evidence at all that tornados are affected. And a recent committee of scientists concluded that there isn’t a strong correlation between climate change and hurricane intensity. A lot of people are saying we’re going to see more Katrina’s and there’s just not much evidence of that. We have had strong hurricanes throughout the last hundred years and we’re probably going to have strong hurricanes once in a while,” Walcek said. “We are over-due for an ice-age if you look at the geological records, we have had a period of not having a thousand feet of ice sitting here in Albany [New York].”

Dr Lubos Motl (Physicist) Formerly of Harvard University
“Recall that most of the 1.1 degree – about 0.7 degrees – has already occurred since the beginning of the industrial era. This fact itself is an indication that the climate sensitivity is unlikely to be much greater than 1 Celsius degree: the effect of most of the doubling has already been made and it led to 0.7 K of warming,” Motl wrote in an August 17, 2007.
“By the end of the (CO2) doubling i.e. 560 ppm (parts per million) expected slightly before (the year) 2100 — assuming a business-as-usual continued growth of CO2 that has been linear for some time — Schwartz and others would expect 0.4 C of extra warming only – a typical fluctuation that occurs within four months and certainly nothing that the politicians should pay attention to.”.
“As far as I can say, all the people who end up with 2 or even 3 Celsius degrees for the climate sensitivity are just playing the children’s game to scare each other, as [MIT climate scientist] Richard Lindzen says, by making artificial biased assumptions about positive feedbacks. There is no reasonable, balanced, and self-consistent work that would lead to such a relatively high sensitivity.”

USA – Joel Schwartz MS (Planetary Science) from CIT, American Enterprise Institute (AEI) considered that the work by Stephen Schwartz overturned the UN IPCC ‘consensus’ in one fell swoop:”
“New research from Stephen Schwartz of Brookhaven National Lab concludes that the Earth’s climate is only about one-third as sensitive to carbon dioxide as the IPCC assumes
The study’s “result is 63% lower than the IPCC’s estimate of 3 degrees C for a doubling of CO2 (2.0–4.5 degrees C, 2SD range). Right now we’re about 41% above the estimated pre-industrial CO2 level of 270 ppm. At the current rate of increase of about 0.55% per year, CO2 will double around 2070. Based on Schwartz’s results, we should expect about a 0.6 degrees C additional increase in temperature between now and 2070 due to this additional CO2. That doesn’t seem particularly alarming,” AEI’s Schwartz explained.
“In other words, there’s hardly any additional warming ‘in the pipeline’ from previous greenhouse gas emissions. This is in contrast to the IPCC, which predicts that the Earth’s average temperature will rise an additional 0.6 degrees C during the 21st Century even if greenhouse gas concentrations stopped increasing,” he added.
“Along with dozens of other studies in the scientific literature, [this] new study belies Al Gore’s claim that there is no legitimate scholarly alternative to climate catastrophism. Indeed, if Schwartz’s results are correct, that alone would be enough to overturn in one fell swoop the IPCC’s scientific ‘consensus’, the environmentalists’ climate hysteria, and the political pretext for the energy-restriction policies that have become so popular with the world’s environmental regulators, elected officials, and corporations. The question is, will anyone in the mainstream media notice?” AEI’s Schwartz concluded.

Dr. Bruce West , U.S Army Chief Scientist dissented from climate fears in 2008. Dr West faulted the UN IPCC for having: “concluded that the contribution of solar variability to global warming is negligible.” West argued argues many global warming researchers have not adequate modeled the Sun’s impact, according to a June 3, 2008 article. West believes the UN and others have “significantly over-estimated” the “anthropogenic contribution to global warming.” Dr West along with:

Nicola Scafetta of Duke University Physics Department published a March 2008 analysis showing the sun “could account for as much as 69% of the increase in Earth’s average temperature.”
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August 7, 2011 12:11am
Griff

valuable link to see the cash behind the “news”
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch

@axeman lots of good info is there a source for this or just lots of work
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