About
Contact
Advertise

Facebook
Twitter

August 27, 2011 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 27 August 2011

Email
Facebook
Twitter
Comment172

Uncategorized
General Debate

Comments (172)

Login to comment or vote

Rodders

Afternoon Scott. Haven’t been away but I breached my monthly bandwidth cap, so was temporarily cut back to dial-up speed. I wouldn’t recommend trying to use this website on dial-up.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 3:45pm
Lee01

In reality socialism and radical free market capitalism are merely two sides of the same modernist coin. They both assume a perfectible human nature uncoupled from any notions of God, family, duty and virtue. They both, in their own ways encourage moral anarchy and autonomous individualism. Arguments between ACT/ibertarianz followers and Labour socialists are arguments between people who share the same foundational philosophical assumptions.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 3:48pm
Scott Chris

Falafulu Fisi

Re redbaiter, yes I see what you mean.

With regard to the socialist streak: The term is very broad, so the way I interpret what John Key meant, was that Kiwis as a whole believe in state control of certain strategic assets, so he as a result has a moral mandate to govern in accordance with such views.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 3:56pm
Pete George

Falafulu Fisi, I’m surprised you resort to shallow nonsense like that. I’ve spoken up on principles here many times, often against your friend Redbaiter. What principles do you have, follow the foaming mouths?

Talking about fences, RB has fenced himself off into a corner, he can’t fathom the majority centre ground. Are you really like that too?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 3:57pm
wat dabney

“Temperatures in 1998 were unusually warm because the strongest El Nino in the past century occurred during that year.”

That’s true, but if you look at the chart (and as the accompanying discussion explains) all the high temperatures in the decade after 1998 appear to have been an anomaly; it was clearly a step change and not a rising trend (remember every year we’d have gushing news items about the temperature being in the top 5 etc? Whatever happened to those?) That now appears to have finished and we’re back to temperatures experienced before that period:

http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/07/25/2011-temperature-watch/

For the record, it appears to have been an ENSO event:

http://bobtisdale.wordpress.com/2009/11/10/global-temperatures-this-decade-will-be-the-warmest-on-record

So even allowing for the exceptional temperatures of 1998 the trend still grossly contradicts the AGW theory. We are experiencing temperatures which are the same as they were in the middle of the last century for Christ’s sake. Just what evidence do you need?

“Global temperature is subject to short-term fluctuations that overlay long term trends and can temporarily mask them. The relative stability in temperature from 2002 to 2009 is consistent with such an episode.”

Of course the point about the Hockeystick was that it purported to demonstrate that there was no appreciable natural variation; hence the abrupt “blade” of the Hockeystick. So it is splendidly ironic to see AGW proponents now invoke natural variability to explain away the recent complete lack of warming. If you can’t explain the recent lack of warming then you can’t explain the brief spell of warming that preceded it, it’s as simple as that.

If the computer models were any use why weren’t they in complete disagreement with the now-debunked Hockeystick chart? Or, put another way, why aren’t they in complete disagreement with the now accepted history, complete with Medieval Warm Period etc? It seems they are in agreement with two entirely dissimilar climate histories. Why would you possibly suppose that they are in any way a useful depiction of climate activity?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:11pm
kowtow

Luc @ 947 goes back to his favoured victims referring to theworld’s largest open air prison/concentration camp ,oppressors,whites,colonialism,weapons blah blah. I suppose he means Gaza.

I’d like to nominate North Korea as said largest open air whatever. And Russia and China as the neo colonial oppressors etc .

Lefties ,always deflecting.

And talking of civilised behaviour. What about the latest outrage from the adherents to the religion of peace in Nigeria? An attack on the UN no less.

There is a civil war on in Nigeria but it’s one we like to ignore because the you know whos are involved and they’re actually nice people, so don’t mention the war. Obama says they’re nice so it must be true.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:11pm
Scott Chris

“In reality socialism and radical free market capitalism are merely two sides of the same modernist coin.”

Presumably both philosophies would claim to aspire to the best possible outcome for society, which may not be so far from God’s design as you may think.

The difference is, philosophy attempts to define truth from logical first principals, whereas religion relies on interpretation of dogma, which can be far more subjective.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:13pm
wat dabney

“In reality socialism and radical free market capitalism are merely two sides of the same modernist coin. They both assume a perfectible human nature uncoupled from any notions of God, family, duty and virtue. They both, in their own ways encourage moral anarchy and autonomous individualism. Arguments between ACT/ibertarianz followers and Labour socialists are arguments between people who share the same foundational philosophical assumptions.”

I nominate this for the most ignorant posting ever on this blog.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:27pm
Scott Chris

Rodders – “but I breached my monthly bandwidth cap”

http://www.ppcgeeks.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/lib-head-explode.jpg
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:28pm
Scott Chris

wat dabney – from your link http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2011/07/25/2011-temperature-watch/

“Although it is certainly too soon to say for sure (especially considering that a good portion of the country has been stuck in an extended heat wave), there is a good case to be made that when the final numbers are in at the end of December, that 2011 will go down as another in a recent string (which now stands at three years and counting) of rather unremarkable years when it comes to the national annual average temperature.”

Better to wait and see.

“(remember every year we’d have gushing news items about the temperature being in the top 5 etc? Whatever happened to those?)”

Current estimates by the Climatic Research Unit show 2005 as the second warmest year, behind 1998 with 2003 and 2010 tied for third warmest year, however, “the error estimate for individual years … is at least ten times larger than the differences between these three years.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:39pm
LabourDoesntWork

Another nail in the anthropogenic global warming coffin …just for luck.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/08/25/cern_cloud_cosmic_ray_first_results/

The first results from the lab’s CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving OUtdoor Droplets”) experiment published in Nature today confirm that cosmic rays spur the formation of clouds through ion-induced nucleation. Current thinking posits that half of the Earth’s clouds are formed through nucleation. The paper is entitled Role of sulphuric acid, ammonia and galactic cosmic rays in atmospheric aerosol nucleation.

This has significant implications for climate science because water vapour and clouds play a large role in determining global temperatures. Tiny changes in overall cloud cover can result in relatively large temperature changes.

Unsurprisingly, it’s a politically sensitive topic, as it provides support for a “heliocentric” rather than “anthropogenic” approach to climate change: the sun plays a large role in modulating the quantity of cosmic rays reaching the upper atmosphere of the Earth….

Climate models will have to be revised, confirms CERN in supporting literature: “[I]t is clear that the treatment of aerosol formation in climate models will need to be substantially revised, since all models assume that nucleation is caused by these vapours [sulphuric acid and ammonia] and water alone.”

(First it was the Soviet Union. Now AGW/CC is collapsing. Where will the global fascists go next?)
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:39pm
Pauleastbay

Rodders

Go to Telecom, they have new plans available, seem to be cheaper as they are expecting traffic to slow down , see the Govt has passed a law and now people will stop pirating music and movies

Anyway got 100GB and phone rental for $150
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:40pm
Sonny Blount

Weihana (247) Says:
August 27th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
“We have no choice, we’ve already lived through 10 degrees of climate change and will have to again and again. Almost every other species on the planet has done it as well. Ask a croc what 6 degrees warmer is like.”

Though it makes a big difference whether that change happens in 100 years or 1000 years.

Why?

Not that we are anywhere near that, we are currently at 0.6 degrees per century.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqM37zbxd7Q
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:42pm
Weihana

“I disagree. Technology is the preserve of our current way of life, i.e. large and well integrated populations that trade in relatively free markets and where individuals specialize in the work they perform.”

“Your saying there was no technology prior to the 19th century? Thats quite a claim.”

Of course I’m not saying that, but there’s a vast difference between their technology and ours. The way our society operates and the fact that we have advanced since the 19th century is not a coincidence.

“Yet many things are getting better and better. Infant mortality is lower now than it was in previous generations. We have more sophisticated technology which improves the quality of our lives. We have access to increasingly advanced medical technology that will extend our lives. And on and on. These aren’t delusions.”

“No, but they overlook the social, environmental and political decline that is also occuring.”

I do not agree there is social decline in general, the environmental change that is or maybe occurring I believe can be successfully managed, and I do not agree that there is political decline either, especially considering that the internet has opened up a vast amount of knowledge to more voting citizens improving their ability to participate in the political process.

“I find society is far more moral today than it has been in previous times. If we look at western nations I think we see extreme improvements in morality from civil rights to educational equality to standards of living for those on the bottom rung of society.”

“Then why the high crime rates?”

Crime rates have been declining in recent years. But long term you have to look at issues such as the war on drugs which help to promote crime.

“Why the huge increases in divorce”

Irrelevant. If people want to divorce they should.

“, abortion (infant mortality is actually higher now as a result than in times past)”

Abortions do not count as “infant mortality”.

“, social dislocation, the need for emotional self-medication (such as the huge increases in the use of alchohol, drugs and anti-depressants).”

The vast majority of people are not addicts.

“What about the increasing isolation and loneliness described in Rober Putmans ‘Bowling Alone’? What about the increasing cynicism regarding our elected leaders?”

Cynicism towards elected leaders is a good thing. We the people are the check on their exercise of power. How can we properly check them if we just trust whatever they do?

“In reality the psuedo morality of civil rights and modern notions of “equality” have not produced a happier or better society.”

That is your opinion. I think the people liberated by civil rights movements would likely have a different opinion.

“Green technology can be developed and implemented to sustain our energy needs and if we spent a little more money on it rather than investing in pointless wars then we might get there sooner.”

“You cannot spend you way to a better society. We have tried that route, and it failed.”

You seem to be setting up a straw man such as to suggest that I’m saying that any spending will make a better society. That is obviously not what I am saying, I am suggesting a specific and targeted investment that can benefit society. The very global network you are talking on now was initially funded by the US government which I think proves that certain investments can have large payoffs.

“You are right about one thing, green technology can help, but only if it is embedded in a society whose highest moral ideals are not mere selfish notions of individualism and whose highest cultural achievement is not Shortland Street.”

Well I can’t live with that… not Shortland Street, I can do without that. But I cannot accept a society where the individual is subjugated to the ideals of some dictator that says he cannot live for his own sake and his own happiness but must live as a slave to the ideals of his master. Individualism is the only acceptable moral framework and indeed the only one which allows humans to prosper to their greatest potential.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:55pm
Weihana

Though it makes a big difference whether that change happens in 100 years or 1000 years.

Why?

————

Because it is easier to adapt in 1000 years than it is in 100 years. But yes, I accept that observed warming is nowhere near 6 degrees and that sort of figure for climate sensitivity seems highly unlikely.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:57pm
Weihana

“see the Govt has passed a law and now people will stop pirating music and movies”

Tui ad?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:58pm
bereal

Lovely story in todays Herald page A5 “Carpark giveaways curbed”
Auckland Transport is to replace 950 parking ticket machines with new ones which print tickets
that will include the rego number of your car.
This is to prevent the outrageous and rampant crime of passing a ticket with unused time to
another person to use. Thus gipping the council out of $2 max.
Communication manager Sharon Hunter says this is “All about giving more choice to the
customer through inovation.” and the aim is, “to put the customer first.”
Mark Stein points out that the age of the tyrant has returned.
What century do these gormless tyrants believe they will break even on the investment
of 950 new machines.
i vote Sharon an award for the most puerile, vacuous and pathetic non explanation this year.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 4:59pm
Weihana

Lee01 – “…moral anarchy and autonomous individualism…”

autonomous is defined in the dictionary as:

“independent and having the power to make your own decisions”

So I think it’s clear the kind of “traditional” society Lee01 wants. It’s one where you don’t get to make your own independent decisions concerning your life but rather someone else gets to dictate to you how your life should go. I wonder where Lee01 places himself in the hierarchy of this grand new civilization? 😉
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 5:03pm
Rodders

PaulEB @ 4.40pm – thanks for the heads up (I am with xtra). It was probably a one-off breach in my bandwidth cap – the BBC have added a lot to their free podcast website and I got carried away 🙁
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 5:07pm
Griff

The CERN result only has bearing on about one quarter of the projected change there are other factors that you have to take into account. The projected peak for the present cosmic ray cycle is soon. Then you may see greater change in temperature.
The problem has all ways been the climate can change quite radically for a small rise in temperature. It could trap us in one side of the EL Nino cycle permanently. Drought for our hydro lakes for instance or to wet for diary.
A change like this could have massive impaction on our agricultural based economy. we use land much more heavily than we did pre industrial revolution. There would be far more impact now than two hundred years ago.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 5:17pm
wat dabney

One thing is certain, CO2 is a valuable plant food.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 5:32pm
Griff

Yes you of course know what that will do for our timber industry no more quality logs if the trees grow to fast. Also ask any farmer about bloat or kykuya poisoning fast is not always good
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 5:40pm
Sonny Blount

Weihana (251) Says:
August 27th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Though it makes a big difference whether that change happens in 100 years or 1000 years.

Why?

————

Because it is easier to adapt in 1000 years than it is in 100 years. But yes, I accept that observed warming is nowhere near 6 degrees and that sort of figure for climate sensitivity seems highly unlikely.

But 100 years would not present any great difficulty. How much of what we do is the same as 100 years ago? I bet most New Zealanders ancestors did not even live in NZ a century ago.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:16pm
Griff

http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/08/26/hurricane-irene-new-yorks-hurricane-history-ships-on-6th-avenue-long-island-destruction/

New york will be flooding. Hope they deal with this one better than Katrina

“Irene looks likely to arrive close to high tide (6:52 p.m. at the Fire Island Coast Guard Station) and during a new moon, a combination called “spring tide” that which will increase the effects of the storm surge.”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:16pm
pdm

Can anyone confirm that the last Labour Government gave aid funds to Hamas. My recollection is NZ$500K but I cannot recall when.

I am in dispute with Grant Robertson over at Red Alert as he deleted my reference to it on the grounds it was an `unsubstantiated allegation’. It is on the thread about aid to the Libyan rebels.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:21pm
Rodders

@pdm – found this old link
http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/8D90179CB6FA1FB785257145006C156E

Luc might know more ?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:27pm
Pauleastbay

pdm

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2006/03/national_calls_for_halt_to_hamas_aid.html

from our very own DPF 2006
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:28pm
Viking2

Where’s Luc.
I want to tell him about my satisfying job today harvesting fresh carbon.
Yep whilst i was harvesting fresh carbon stocks to store away for next winter which will be colder than normal due to Global Cooling.
You should try it LUC The fresh carbon smell just great.

And hey it will be a great thing to make it into CO2 next year.
Help the Global Warning during winter.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:53pm
Viking2

What’s the matter with the edit function lately??
It stinks.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 6:58pm
nasska

The SAS, the Infantry and the police decide to go on a survival weekend together to see who comes out top. After some basic exercises the Instructor tells them their next objective is to go down into the bush and come back with a rabbit for tea.
First up are the SAS. They don their infra-red goggles, drop to the ground and crawl into the bush in formation. Absolute silence occurs for 5 mins, followed by a single muffled shot. They emerge with a rabbit, shot cleanly through the forehead. “Excellent work” says the Instructor.
Next up are the Infantry. They finish their cans of Tui, cover themselves in camouflage cream, fix bayonets and charge down into the bush, screaming at the top of their voices. For the next hour the hills ring with the sound of machine gun fire, mortar bombs, hand grenades and blood curdling war cries. Eventually they emerge carrying the charred remains of a rabbit.
“A bit messy but you got a result, well done” says the Instructor.
Lastly in go the Police, walking slowly, hands behind backs. For the next few hours the silence is only broken by the occasional cackle of a walkie-talkie: ‘sierra oscar lima one, suspect headed straight for you’ etc. After what seems like an eternity, they emerge escorting an opossum in hand cuffs. “What the hell do you think you are doing?” asks the incredulous Instructor. “Take the opossum back and get me a rabbit, like I asked you to 5 hours ago!!!”
So back they go. Minutes pass, these minutes turn to hours and day turns to night. The next morning the Trainer and the rest of the crew are awakened by the Police, holding the opossum that is now covered in bruises. “Are you taking the piss?” asks the seriously irate Instructor. The Police team Leader then shoots a glance at the opossum who squeaks, “Alright, alright I am a fucking rabbit!”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:00pm
Viking2

Key confesses: National socialist

http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2011/08/27/key-confesses-national-socialist/
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:01pm
Griff

NARRATIVE OF A RESIDENCE IN VARIOUS PARTS OF NEW ZEALAND
Together with a Description
of the Present State of the Company’s Settlements.
by CHARLES HEAPHY
1842
Port Nicholson

“In the acquisition of the district from the natives, great care was taken that they should fully comprehend the terms on which they relinquished their rights, and the plan of the Company in respect of the land to be reserved for their benefit. On being told the amount of the immediate payment, their most influential chiefs replied, “that they cared but little about what would be given them for their land, but that they wanted white men and women to settle amongst them, and to bring cattle, and grow corn;” they added, “that the people from Port Jackson, and the missionaries, had repeatedly, when endeavoring to purchase land, promised to come and live with them, but had never done so.” “
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:06pm
nasska

There was this guy in a mental hospital. All day long he had his
ear to the wall, listening. The doctor would watch this guy do this
day after day.

The doctor finally decided to see what the guy was listening to,
so he put his ear up to the wall and listened. He heard nothing.

He turned to the mental patient and said, “I don’t hear anything.”

The mental patient said,
“Yeah, I know. It’s been like that for months!”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:31pm
Luc Hansen

Viking, you are aware that wood is a renewable resource and that any single tree is carbon neutral for it’s life cycle?

That is, it has already soaked up from the atmosphere the CO2 you will be releasing.

We still have of lot of wood to go from the 80 year old gum tree we cut down last year!

But you sure exhibit a strange attitude, in that you delight in doing something our best sciemtists tell us is going to be very bad for humans.

Do you hate your own children that much?

As regards global warming and hurricanes, this is a good link to present:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/hurricanes-global-warming.htm

And I note that there is a quote included from the IPCC 2007 report that “There is no clear trend in the annual numbers [i.e. frequency] of tropical cyclones.”

So I’m not quite sure what wat’s mate, Chris Landsea was on about in 2005, except that it seems he got his nose out of joint over something not to do with science!

And here is a chart from NOAA that looks interesting: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/climo/images/atlhist_lowres.gif

While it appears that, as I said earlier, it’s too early to tell, nevertheless, evidence is mounting.

We shall see.

But of extreme weather events escalating, there is no doubt, and there is no doubt there is a climate change fingerprint in those events.

Cheers.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:32pm
Viking2

Fairfax Media awash in a $400m sea of red ink

James Chessell
From: The Australian
August 27, 2011 12:00AM

And so they want kiwi’s to top up their (Fairfax) funds by selling them 35% of Trademe.
are there that many gullible Kiwi’s out there.
Well I supose their is and no doubt our super fund will generously donate to the cause.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:34pm
Hurf Durf

Puke Hansen would approve of Hurricane Irene if all it did was hang eight year old children like the Taliban do.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:47pm
Scott Chris

A man runs to the doctor and says, “Doctor, you’ve got to help me. My wife thinks she’s a chicken!”

The doctor asks, “How long has she had this condition?”

“Two years,” says the man.

“Then why did it take you so long to come and see me?” asked the shrink.

The man shrugs his shoulders and replies, “We needed the eggs.”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:51pm
pdm

Thanks guys – I have asked for an apology but am not holding my breath.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 7:56pm
Scott Chris

A very shy guy goes into a bar and sees a beautiful woman sitting at the bar. After an hour of gathering up his courage, he finally goes over to her and asks, tentatively, “Um, would you mind if I chatted with you for a while?”
She responds by yelling, at the top of her lungs, “NO! I won’t sleep with you tonight!” Everyone in the bar is now staring at them. Naturally, the guy is hopelessly and completely embarrassed and he slinks back to his table.

After a few minutes, the woman walks over to him and apologizes. She smiles at him and says, “I’m sorry if I embarrassed you. You see, I’m a graduate student in psychology, and I’m studying how people respond to embarrassing situations.”

To which he responds, at the top of his lungs, “What do you mean $200?!”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:00pm
Viking2

Luc says:
But of extreme weather events escalating, there is no doubt, and there is no doubt there is a climate change fingerprint in those events.

I doubt that the number of events has altered much from what has been the variable norm for several thousand years.

What does seem to escape your notice is that these events have a greater effect than was able to be reported previously.
How do we know.
1. 250 years ago there were few newspapers and certainly no TV to tell the rest of the world what was happening. Evidence exists that show weather events are not new. So floods, Droughts, fires etc have always been around.
2.There are many more people living in the world and they are living in places that should not be lived on. e.g. Christchurch foreshore seabeds. This applies in many countries and in many places.
When something dramatic happens it affects more people and because we now have telly etc we all hear about it more.

Simple logic suggests that there will be more death and destruction as people live in more extreme and modified places.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:01pm
bereal

burning a bit of time waiting for the footy.

The queen is visiting a mental hospital.
She sees a lovely flower garden and asks who is the gardener. She is told
that its Alf, a patient. She meets Alf and congratulates him on his beautifull garden.
Alf says thanks and implores the queen to look into his case because he says he has been
wrongfully committed.
The queen says anybody who can keep such a lovely garden cant be mad so she agrees to look
into Alfs case.
Later, as her majesty is leaving, BONK ! She is hit in the back of her head by a half brick
someone has thrown at her. She looks round to see who threw the brick.
Its Alf who waves and calls out, “dont you forget now your majesty.”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:03pm
nasska

I’ve just been banned from Trade Me.
Apparently, a piece of string and a house brick cannot be sold as a ‘penis enlargement kit’.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:03pm
wat dabney

“But of extreme weather events escalating, there is no doubt, and there is no doubt there is a climate change fingerprint in those events.”

None of which is true.

He’s like the Walter Mitty of global warming isn’t he.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:04pm
Viking2

nasska (1,447) Says:
August 27th, 2011 at 8:03 pm

I’ve just been banned from Trade Me.
Apparently, a piece of string and a house brick cannot be sold as a ‘penis enlargement kit’.

Certainly not. how could you think so.
They doo that by charging Kiwis money to buy into their company debts.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:12pm
Viking2

Luc is confused and soon will be starting on the next phase of his journey, Paranoia.

We are coming to get him soon. We whom wear white coats.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:14pm
nasska

V2

I can feel another Trade Me fees hike coming on
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:15pm
Steve

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/fan-central/5516302/Spiritual-support-offered-during-RWC

Spiritual Support offered during RWC by ‘Engage NZ’ Well how about that? Someone is going to lose a game and may need guidance from those who don’t even play hard sport. Fuck off! there are going to be heaps of losers and only one winner.
Who is paying for this service that Ms Heyden is offering? Oh yeah we don’t want anybody’s feelings hurt in a World Wide Competition.
Why do we have to have these suckholers to babysit a loser? taking our hard earned dollars to help people who lost a game because they where not good enough on the day.
Someone is a winner and the rest all lose Ms Heyden. Wake up and open your eyes. That goes for all of you similar thinking coqsucking iceholes
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:21pm
nasska

V2

…”We are coming to get him soon. We whom wear white coats.”….

It’s all very sad really.

Still, with modern drugs & extensive therapy there may be cause for some slight hope that he may regain partial contact with reality & the real world.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:24pm
Steve

Oh Viking2, I think Luc is one of those who wears a white coat. Explains heaps don’t it. Most trick cyclists are borderline
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:24pm
nasska

Q. What’s the difference between Vaseline and Super-glue?
A. About 4 hours sitting in the A+E department with your hand glued to your cock!
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:30pm
Pete George

It seems that IPredict may be too easily manipulated with money by the look of these predictions.

What share of the party vote will the Conservative Party win at the next election? Prediction: 8.8%
What share of the party vote will the New Citizen Party win at the next election? Prediction: 4.2%
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:31pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf Durf plays a sick game.

Obviously has forgotten already Operation Cast Lead and this.

Hurf, do your parents know how sick you are?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:40pm
Hurf Durf

That’s the guilt knocking at your soul, Luc.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:43pm
Luc Hansen

Meanwhile, viking2 and the other climate experts here, why don’t you all go and contribute to this dissing of Bill McKibben at the NYT?

Join in the comments. There are some eminent names joining in already.

PS Bill McKibben’s reply is No 13 in the comments.

Go on, show us your grasp of the issues and enlighten the world.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:44pm
Luc Hansen

I don’t have a soul, Hurf.

I suspect you don’t even have a conscience.

What’s you Dad’s phone number. He needs to know that you need help.

And I’ve still got an hour to fill in before Go Black!
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:47pm
Steve

Someone is going to steal your hat one day Luc, then you will have to listen or go away.
I mean the replies you give do not even stay on the same tangent
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:50pm
Griff

Next month’s Palestinian bid to go to the UN should not be read as an act of hostility but as a desperate plea for freedom and justice, albeit a misguided one – something that an increasing number of Israelis are growing to realise. Sadly, such enlightenment is not shared by the ideologues currently leading the Israeli government, and the Palestinian leadership; both the PA and Hamas benefit in their own warped ways from the status quo.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 8:52pm
Luc Hansen

…stay on the same tangent

WTF?????

Mrs Malaprop would be proud of you!

Let’s all do the ~~time warp~~ tangents..with a jump to the left…and a step to the right…
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:07pm
Monique Watson

Top Twenty quotes heard around the Act caucus in 2010/2011.

1. I can see your point, but I still think you’re full of shit.
2. I have plenty of talent and vision. I just don’t give a fuck.
3. How about “never”? Is “never” good for you?
4. It sounds like English, but I can’t understand a word you’re saying.
5. I see you’ve set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.
6. Ahhh, I see the fuck-up fairy has visited us again.
7. You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers.
8. I’m already visualising the duct tape over your mouth.
9. The fact that no one understands you doesn’t mean you’re an artist.
10. Someday, we’ll look back on this, laugh nervously and change the subject.
11. I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you.
12. I don’t know what your problem is, but I’ll bet it’s hard to pronounce.
13. Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental.
14. I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid.
15. No, my powers can only be used for good.
16. What am I? Flypaper for freaks!?
17. I’m not being rude. You’re just insignificant.
18. Thank you. We’re all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.
19. It’s a thankless job, but I’ve got a lot of Karma to burn off.
20. Yes, I am an agent of Satan, but my duties are largely ceremonial. (Don Brash ? Who would you attribute the rest too?).
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:18pm
Other_Andy

Hamas, Hezbollah and Fatah have blood on their hands.

Hamas uses schools, hospitals, mosques and homes of civilians as launching grounds for their missiles. They store weapons in between civilians.
The Palestinian Authority, intentionally mobilises Palestinian children to man the front line of protests against Israel, frequently using them as shields to protect Palestinian gunmen. The children act as bait, burning tires and shooting slingshots, to attract the television cameras and distract the IDF, in tandem with well-armed Palestinian gunmen in ambush positions.Since the Palestinian public knows that Israeli soldiers are ordered not to shoot live ammunition at children, they act as shields to protect Palestinian snipers who shoot to kill any exposed members of the IDF. When the youth rush forward throwing stones and Molotov cocktails, Palestinian snipers on rooftops and in alleys take aim at the IDF, on some occasions actually shooting Palestinian children from behind.
Our brave Hamas and Hezbollah militants intentionally drag Arab children into the line of fire, forcing them to become “martyrs” — all to garner international sympathy for the Arab cause and censure for Israel.
They indoctrinate children at school and in mosques in hating Jews.
They dress school children up in uniforms and train them to kill Jews.
They parade them around giving nazi salutes.
They dress infants up in suicide belts and use them as propaganda props in pallywood productions, dead or alive.
They have used children as suicide bombers, forced the mentally disabled to ‘martyr’ themselves and rigged animals with explosives and chased them into IDF posts.
The Hamas Motto is “We love death more than the Jews love life.”

These are the people Luc supports.
They are Luc’s freedom fighters.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:20pm
Scott Chris

Actually Luc, I rather like “stay on the same tangent”. Makes sense to me. More of a mixed metaphor really.

Here’s one from George W:

“The law I sign today directs new funds… to the task of collecting vital intelligence… on weapons of mass production.”
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:35pm
publicwatchdog

Four days after I lodged a formal complaint with Auckland Police about unlawful threats on facebook to burn down bookshops, and unlawful threats to ‘kill’ Macsyna King – the hateful, misleading and deceptive ‘Boycott the Macsyna King Book’ facebook site was ‘gone by lunchtime, Sunday 14 August 2011. ‘Boycotters’ had been whipped up into a state of semi-hysteria over the LIE that mother Macsyna King was going to profit from her ‘attrocious deeds’ through telling her story.

Never mind – getting your facts straight.

Never mind – there are always at least two sides to the story and both sides should be heard – if you have any basic concept of ‘fair play’.

Never mind that in this country – one is presumed innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Never mind that ‘freedom of expression’ does not extend to making comments which are untrue (defamatory); offensive; or threatening.

What I found to be truly scary was the nearly 50,000 people who ‘liked’ the (former) ‘Boycott the Macsyna King Book’ facebook site, who effectively jumped on this bandwagon, without knowing who was driving it (Chris Murray, Senior Consultant at Dimension Data was the former ‘Admin’) and where it was heading – at a time ‘the book’ hadn’t even been printed.

On Tuesday 16 August 2011, Whitcoulls bookstores started selling Ian Wishart’s ‘Breaking Silence’ – profits from sales of this book are going to charity. There are still some major bookstores such as Paper Plus and The Warehouse who still have not yet reversed their decisions not to stock ‘Breaking Silence’.

On the other hand – the remaining ‘hardcore’ boycott remnants can’t explain:
ONE: WHAT they’re boycotting a) the BUYING of ‘Breaking Silence’ b)the READING of ‘Breaking Silence’ or : c) the BOOKSTORES which are STOCKING ‘Breaking Silence’.
TWO: WHY they’re STILL boycotting ‘Breaking Silence – given that they now know that Macsyna King is NOT ‘profiting’ from the sales of ‘Breaking Silence’; Macsyna King did not ‘kill her baby sons’; and profits from sales of ‘Breaking Silence’ sold at Whitcoulls are being donated to charity.

Kiwibloggers who believe that in a ‘free and democratic society’ YOU should have the right to decide whether or not YOU wish to read a book – something you could do to support our lawful right to ‘freedom of expression’ is to make contact with Paper Plus and The Warehouse on their facebook pages and request that they reconsider their decision NOT to stock ‘Breaking Silence’?

For more information on the debate/ discussions about ‘Breaking Silence’ you can check out on facebook: ‘Breaking Silence:The Kahui case – Support the Book’

That would be a big help – in my considered opinion. Cheers! Penny Bright http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:47pm
Luc Hansen

Hamas, Hezbollah and PLO/Fatah were all formed as a result of Israeli aggression, dispossession and oppression of Palestinians.

Israel’s sins have always been and remain far greater than those three organisations, but that doesn’t make any of it right, just puts it in context.

For a more balanced view, and not one dependent on the presumed villainy of one party or the other, why don’t you spend some time in the website of the Israeli peace organisation Btselem?
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:47pm
Monique Watson

Can we let the babies rest in peace.
That would be a big help – in my considered opinion. Fuck off and peddle your wares elsewhere ambulance chaser.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 9:54pm
Griff

Luc Hansen

“Since the beginning of the al-Aqsa intifada, there has been a sharp increase in the number of attacks perpetrated by Palestinian organizations against Israeli civilians. These attacks have killed hundreds of Israelis and wounded thousands, including many minors, inside Israel and in the Occupied Territories. Attacks aimed at civilians undermine all rules of morality and law. Specifically, the intentional killing of civilians is considered a “grave breach” of international humanitarian law and a war crime. Whatever the circumstances, such acts are unjustifiable.”

Guess were this comes from?

Your link.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:14pm
Luc Hansen

Your point, Griff? Is there something there I’m meant to disagree with?

Here is their statistics page http://old.btselem.org/statistics/english/
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:17pm
LabourDoesntWork

Hamas, Hezbollah and PLO/Fatah were all formed as a result of Israeli aggression, dispossession and oppression of Palestinians.

The vast majority of the Palestinian Arabs left Israel voluntarily before Israel was attacked soon after its founding. Almost as many Jews were kicked out of Arab countries but were absorbed by Israel. The Palestinian Arabs’ plight is the result of the Arab world shunning them and then blaming Israel for their troubles. Nobody hears about the numerous other refugee situations of the recent past. Do the descendents of a million Muslims kicked out of Greece and similar numbers of Greeks kicked out of Turkey in the 20s have a “right of return” to the respective lands? Of course not, that’s absurd. Jordan won’t allow Palestinians to become citizens and Lebanon legislates against employing them… Who employs so many Palestinian Arabs and allows them across their border? Israel.

Hamas, Hezbollah, and the PLO are genocidal nazis faithful to their unholy Koran which promises the day when every Jew will be killed!

IMO, no one should be under the illusion that leftists who side against Israel are truly concerned about the Palestinians. (I consider myself on their side when I condemn their evil leaders and the disgusting treatment they’ve received from the entire Arab world.) The same used to side with Israel when it was the socialist underdog of the region. Now that Israel is a successful capitalist state they just can’t bring themselves to do anything other than side against it. Leftists are always ideologically motivated narcissists first: history and facts don’t matter. There’s just nothing in it for suchlike to side with Israel.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:22pm
Other_Andy

“Hamas, Hezbollah and PLO/Fatah were all formed as a result of Israeli aggression, dispossession and oppression of Palestinians.”

Pffff.
Violence against Jews in the Middle East and in present day Israel by the Arabs has been going on for 1400 years. Long before Zionism, long before the establishment of Israel, long before the formation of the Einsatzgruppe Hamas, Fatah or Hezbollah, long before the ‘Israeli aggression, dispossession and oppression of Palestinians’ narrative was invented.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:26pm
Griff

There is to sides to this argument one is the Arab world including Palestinian Arabs are sworn to kill Israel
The other is the Arab world is treating Palestinian Arabs like shit to prove a point.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:44pm
publicwatchdog

@Monique Watson (62) Says:
August 27th, 2011 at 9:54 pm

Can we let the babies rest in peace.
That would be a big help – in my considered opinion. Fuck off and peddle your wares elsewhere ambulance chaser.”

errr….. Nobody yet has been held accountable for the deaths of the (Kahui) ‘babies’ you want to ‘rest in peace’ Monique.

The mother Macsyna King has told her story to try and help get justice for HER baby sons – I for one support her lawful right to tell her story, Ian Wishart’s lawful right to write her story and the public’s lawful right to read this story.

The basic human right to freedom of expression – which I’m helping defend here – is YOUR right as well.
How sad that you don’t (yet) ‘get it’ Monique?

Perhaps reading ‘Breaking Silence’ might help broaden your perspective and understanding of the issues here?
I live in hope.

Kind regards, Penny Bright
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 10:55pm
Luc Hansen

Violence against Jews in the Middle East and in present day Israel by the Arabs has been going on for 1400 years.

Jesus wept.

Europeans invented anti-Semitism.

Europeans invented pogroms.

Europeans carried out the Holocaust.

What alternate universe do you live in?

Griff

So you mean you think Palestinians should have just left their ancestral lands to the European invaders?

LBW

You need to read history rather than Israeli hasbara. Yours is the Monckton Method applied to The Question of Palestine.

John Key

20-3.

Snap poll shows you have plummeted 10 points!
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 11:06pm
adze

They must have heard you Luc!
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 27, 2011 11:26pm

More comments:

‹
1
2

Add a Comment Cancel reply

Login to comment or vote

« Crossword Answers 26 August 2011

WOW 2011 »

Donations

You can now donate to Kiwiblog

Exclusive content from DPF on Patreon

Become a Patron!

Never miss a post

Email Address

Join 37.4K other subscribers

Highlights

Health Target 5 – elective treatments
Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

Links

Beautifying the blogosphere
Hompaddock
Pamela Paul on politics and transgender issues
Utopia
Blowout in costs of Roads of National Significance
The Standard
The Week In Humour: Already President
No Minister
11.30am LIVE – Te Huinga Poti – Waatea Sunday Morning Political Podcast with Treaty Lawyer Natalie Coates, Jodi Ihaka + Bomber
The Daily Blog
A great grift against taxpayers
Point of Order
More lawlessness from National
No Right Turn
Shock & Surprise: Lawyers oppose removal of lawyers' gravy train
Not PC
Thankfully we said nope to dope
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
A NEW DEGREE COURSE FOR MASSEY
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Pretty (il)legal
Croaking Cassandra
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

editor@kiwiblog.co.nz

PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

Facebook
Twitter
FourSquare
Instagram
LinkedIn
Google+

Archives
Disclosure Statement
Editorial Policy
Privacy Policy
Complaints Policy
Comments Policy

Design by cre8d