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starboard

Gilbert Myles is a spanker. Back in 1983 he owned a cleaning business in Auckland cleaning a restaurant I once worked in. I remember him as a big mouth wanna be who played with his penis too often…sorta like milkenmike.
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August 26, 2011 6:33pm
Griff

Elaycee from your link
“Myles was the National MP for Mt Roskill from 1990 to 1991, before forming the short-lived Liberal Party and joining New Zealand First in 1993.”

Funny that they don’t mention the alliance at all.
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August 26, 2011 6:49pm
nasska

Irish Drinking Code

SYMPTOM: Pint appears to be crystal clear…
FAULT: It’s water. Somebody is trying to sober you up.
ACTION: Punch him/her.

SYMPTOM: Don’t recognise anyone, don’t even recognise the room you’re in.
FAULT: Don’t panic – you’ve wandered into the wrong party.
ACTION: See if they’ve any free pints anyhow.

SYMPTOM: Feet cold and wet.
FAULT: Glass being held at incorrect angle.
ACTION: Rotate glass so that open end points toward ceiling.

SYMPTOM: Feet warm and wet.
FAULT: Improper bladder control.
ACTION: Stand next to nearest pet dog, complain about how house training has “gone to the dogs nowadays”.

SYMPTOM: Pint appears unusually pale and tasteless.
FAULT: Glass empty.
ACTION: Get someone to get you another pint.

SYMPTOM: Opposite wall covered with fluorescent lights.
FAULT: You’ve fallen over backwards.
ACTION: Have yourself chained to bar counter.

SYMPTOM: Beer tastes tasteless, front of your shirt is wet.
FAULT: Mouth not open, or glass applied to wrong part of face.
ACTION: Retire to loo, practise in mirror.

SYMPTOM: Floor blurry.
FAULT: You’re looking through bottom of empty glass.
ACTION: Get someone to get you another pint.

SYMPTOM: Floor moving.
FAULT: You are being carried out.
ACTION: Find out if you are being taken to another pub/party

SYMPTOM: Room seems unusually dark.
FAULT: Bar has closed, have you no homes to go to
ACTION: Confirm home address with barman, grab taxi home.

SYMPTOM: Taxi’s interior suddenly takes on colourful aspect and textures.
FAULT: Beer consumption has exceeded personal limitations.
ACTION: Cover mouth.

SYMPTOM: Everyone looks up to you and smiles.
FAULT: You are dancing on a table.
ACTION: Fall on somebody cushy-looking.

SYMPTOM: Hands hurts, nose hurts, mind unusually clear though.
FAULT: You have been in a fight.
ACTION: Apologise to everyone you see, just in case it was them.

SYMPTOM: Your singing sounds distorted.
FAULT: That lager is too weak.
ACTION: Have more drink until your voice improves.

SYMPTOM: Don’t remember the words to song.
FAULT: Beer is just right.
ACTION: Play air guitar.

SYMPTOM: Ugly woman/man in your sights.
FAULT: Insufficient beer intake.
ACTION: Up dosage immediately.

SYMPTOM: Shins and toes hurt.
FAULT: You’ve been walking into things.
ACTION: Maintain dosage.

SYMPTOM: Squishy feeling in the hands.
FAULT: You have grabbed hold of a woman’s breasts.
ACTION: Duck to avoid boyfriend’s fist.

SYMPTOM: Bed is bumping around.
FAULT: Taking an ambulance ride.
ACTION: It’s too late, you made complete arsehole of self.
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August 26, 2011 7:00pm
Scott Chris

nasska – I can tell that jonnobanks loves me by the special way he bats his eyelids and calls me a dumb fuck. So sweet!

I’ve got money on Andrei and Maria Lucia conducting premarital communion.
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August 26, 2011 7:02pm
Viking2

Hahahaha, so it was the shooters who did it. Caribou dying all over the place. hehehe.

New Paper Finds That Decimation of Caribou Herds Was Due To Rifles & Bullets, Not Global Warming
http://www.c3headlines.com/2011/08/new- … rming.html

Climate change alarmists, many of whom write for professional climate tabloids where global warming fiction reigns, often speak to the detrimental global warming impact on species such as the polar bear and the caribou. Unfortunately for these tabloid speculators, the actual scientific research and empirical evidence is proving them wrong.

The “consensus” on the declining caribou herds of northern Canadian Territories was that global warming was changing the local environment that was adversely impacting the herds. Yet sceptical scientists believed over hunting was the real problem. As a result, biologists pushed for hunting restrictions that were then implemented and the caribous responded: for example, one herd expanded from 32,000 to 100,000 in just a few short years.

Turns out the native idiots were slaughtering at least 20% of the herds’ cows by hunting them down with GPS, snowmobiles and high-powered rifles. Not very sporting and certainly not good for maintaining a stable herd population.

“In a recently published paper, Adamczewski and three co-authors estimated the annual aboriginal harvest from the Bathurst herd alone was between 4,000 and 7,000 animals, mostly cows. Best estimates suggest that about 20 per cent of the cows were being killed every year, making it the most heavily hunted herd in the N.W.T…”They were getting hammered,” Adamczewski said…But when hunting restrictions came in, the Dene could no longer take as many animals as they wanted.”

As has been well established by science, the caribou have survived both warmer and colder eras, than those of modern times, since the end of the last major ice age. The key to their future survival is keeping modern aboriginals from pushing them into extinction by sheer stupidity.

http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=32&sid=9d0f88c0bb4ff47684c7fd5827d58463&p=37049#p37049

Quote:
New paper finds El Nino is changing opposite to predictions of climate models
ICECAP in the News

Hockey Schtick

A paper published this week in the journal Geophysical Research Letters finds that changes in the character of El Ninos over the past 31 years are the opposite of the predictions of climate models from greenhouse gases. The paper concludes “A plausible interpretation of these results is that the character of El Nino over the past 31 years has varied naturally” rather than being forced by increased greenhouse gases. Another alarmist prediction by climate modellers crumbles in the face of real-world data.

GEOPHYSICAL RESEARCH LETTERS, VOL. 38, L15709, 4 PP., 2011

El Nino and its relationship to changing background conditions in the tropical Pacific Ocean
M. J. McPhaden et al
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August 26, 2011 7:05pm
Viking2

And more untruths.

Green racism – Plotting against the Third World
Nevil Gibson

Three global environmental organisations are on the war path against legitimate wood-based businesses and New Zealand companies are a particular target.

This week, two of those organisations, Greenpeace and the WWF (World Wide Fund for Nature), supported by the Greens, called for a retailer and consumer boycott of products marketed by tissue paper company Cottonsoft.
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=643&sid=9d0f88c0bb4ff47684c7fd5827d58463&p=37051#p37051
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August 26, 2011 7:09pm
nasska

Scott Chris

You probably wouldn’t slide a worn set of rosary beads between them…let me know how the bet pans out.
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August 26, 2011 7:10pm
Viking2

The only figures Helm gave were that the Government’s offshore wind farm plans would, by 2020, cost £100 billion – scarcely a state secret, since the Government itself announced this three years ago – plus £40 billion more to connect these windmills to the grid, a figure given us by the National Grid last year.

Helm did not tell us that this £140 billion equates to £5,600 for every household in the country. But he did admit that the plan was “staggeringly expensive”, and that, given the current extent of “fuel poverty” and the state of our economy, he doubted “if it can in fact be afforded”.

Even shorter on hard facts, however, was Shukman’s report on a monster new wind farm off the coast of Cumbria, where a Swedish firm, Vattenfall, has spent £500 million on building 30 five megawatt turbines with a total “capacity” of 150MW. What Shukman did not tell us, because the BBC never does, is that, thanks to the vagaries of the wind, these machines will only produce a fraction of their capacity (30 per cent was the offshore average in the past two years). So their actual output is only likely to average 45MW, or £11 million per MW.

Compare this with the figures for Britain’s newest gas-fired power station, recently opened in Plymouth. This is capable of generating 882MW at a capital cost of £400 million – just £500,000 for each megawatt. Thus the wind farm is 22 times more expensive, and could only be built because its owners will receive a 200 per cent subsidy: £40 million a year, on top of the £20 million they will get for the electricity itself. This we will all have to pay for through our electricity bills, wh
http://www.nzcpr.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=702&sid=9d0f88c0bb4ff47684c7fd5827d58463&p=37055#p37055
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August 26, 2011 7:12pm
Viking2

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/dd365/coacoa1/001.jpg

Signatures required. Coming to a mall near you.
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August 26, 2011 7:18pm
Pauleastbay

V2

I already own the beaches am a New Zealander
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August 26, 2011 7:22pm
TripeWryter

On something completely different … John Campbell’s inherent sanctimony is in overdrive because a semi-articulate black American rapper noticed that a duty free shop at Auckland airport sells Golliwogs.

It was so important in the great current affairs scheme of things that Campbell despatched a reporter to the shop (which, Campbell smugly told us, had since withdrawn the golliwogs from sale), and she reported. Then the maker, or distributor of the golliwogs was summoned to the Christchurch studio for an interrogation about his moral woefulness.

I can feel the beginnings of a Campbell Crusade coming on.

A toy that brings comfort and company to small children is about to be cast out because of its apparent associations with American racism in another age.
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August 26, 2011 7:23pm
Steve

What? Golliwogs for sale at the Auckland Airport. Ban it ban it.
Maori dolls, that’s ok. American CRAPPER, legend in your own lunchtime bro
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August 26, 2011 7:27pm
Griff

Pauleastbay

That is slowly going to change.
You place faith in a process orchestrated by the people that brought you open ended contracts in settlements
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August 26, 2011 7:28pm
nasska

The economy is so bad.
————that I got a pre-declined credit card in the mail.
The economy is so bad,
————I ordered a burger at McDonalds and the kid behind the counter asked, “Can you afford fries with that?”
The economy is so bad,
————CEOs are now playing minature golf.
The economy is so bad
————if the bank returns your check marked “Insufficient Funds”, you call them and ask if they meant you or them.
The economy is so bad
————parents in Remuera have fired their nannies and learned their children’s names.
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August 26, 2011 7:30pm
wreck1080

aussies say they are not dropping interest rates….so , what happens? NZD leaps higher.

The FX market reacts to soundbites only, not economic fundamentals.
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August 26, 2011 7:42pm
immigant

I like the part where the article points out that welfare sustains communities that would have otherise broken up, and moved to other parts of the country to find work.

Thinking of some parts of auckland much?

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/10989/
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August 26, 2011 7:48pm
Viking2

Pauleastbay (1,236) Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 7:22 pm

V2

I already own the beaches am a New Zealander

Ah but your not a member of the Tribe so no you won’t. Well not for much longer.

Perhaps you should educate yourself a bit more. Go here and read what’s happening or about to happen thanks to Our supposed Attorney General and his cabal of fools.

http://www.nzcpr.com/guest250.htm
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August 26, 2011 7:48pm
Hurf Durf

MSM downplaying role of cosmic rays in climate change. Remember, this is important. If it’s heliocentric, we can’t do anything. If it’s mostly anthropogenic, well, you know what Puke Hansen and Gwen Dire are like.

Key quote from CERN: “Climate models will need to be substantially revised”
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August 26, 2011 8:02pm
immigant

Yeah. i find it pretty hard to swallow that I can turn up at a beach somewhere in NZ and be told that I’m not allowed on.
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August 26, 2011 8:04pm
Viking2

Or its Waihi Tapu because that’s where some ancestor cooked the person he murdered and then split the skull open so he could eat the brains and eyes to destroy that fellows mana.

Papamoa beach being a good example. Miles long and bits of skulls and other bones occasionally come out of the sand dunes.

But Paul won’t be happy until the happy cannibals have reclaimed the beach from the Mt. to Maketu.
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August 26, 2011 8:09pm
Griff

Thing about what more clouds mean more rain less sun is that climatic change?

Don’t be silly that’s not climatic change that’s rain and sun

And have u noticed that cloudy days are warmer at nite
And of course there is no way that that will have an effect with El Nino and other climatic systems that would be silly
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August 26, 2011 8:12pm
Luc Hansen

@Hurfie

“substantially revised” on the issue of aerosols and cloud feedback, yes, which remains a murky area of science, anyway, but not significantly enough to outweigh our carbon bomb.

Climate models are being revised all the time, anyway.

Sorry Hurf, you deniers can’t hang your hats on that one!

browse this: http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2011/08/the-cerncloud-results-are-surprisingly-interesting/#more-8614

An extract: “Of course, to show that cosmic rays were actually responsible for some part of the recent warming, you would need to show that there was actually a decreasing trend in cosmic rays over recent decades – which is tricky, because there hasn’t been (see the figure).”

Lee 01:

He and Luc are simply dishonest trolls.

I’m done with responding to either of them.

I’ll hold you to that.
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August 26, 2011 8:14pm
Hurf Durf

By the way Hastings’ military histories are excellent . Highly recommend.

Absolutely, his book on the Korean War is a fantastic study. I’d also recommend John Lewis Gaddis, Antony Beevor and Niall Ferguson.

Roffle, Puke. I’ll leave the warmist spin to you, you could use the time to rebuild your narrative around the new framework.
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August 26, 2011 8:15pm
nasska

Luc

Save the environment.
Wank with a hanky!
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August 26, 2011 8:26pm
Luc Hansen

Yes, I can imagine that Hurfie would latch on to Niall Ferguson.

At least Niall is entertaining!

@nasska

Now this is what gets me in trouble. If I act according to my nature and respond in kind, you and your mates then drag the reply up ad infinitum without detailing the context. Just like Israeli propaganda!

Anyway, if I remain silent to your barb, does that signify acquiesence or a quantum of dignity?

But be informed that I have always found nicer places to ejaculate into than the open air or hankies. In fact, one of my wives, can’t remember which, now, I’ve had a few, use to prize an oral receipt of the white fluid as an internal skin lotion.

I did not challenge her opinion!
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August 26, 2011 8:42pm
Other_Andy

@Hurf Durf

Stop it.
The science is settled.
The University of Wisconsin, the University of Toronto, the Royal Meteorological Society and a variety of scientists in the Global Atmospheric Research Program have been studying changing climate.
Who are you to question those scientists?
You deniers should hang your head in shame!

The signs are clear!
In Africa, drought continues for the sixth consecutive year, adding terribly to the toll of famine victims. Record rains in parts of the U.S., Pakistan and Japan caused some of the worst flooding in centuries. In Canada’s wheat belt, a particularly chilly and rainy spring has delayed planting and may well bring a disappointingly small harvest. Rainy Britain, on the other hand, has suffered from uncharacteristic dry spells the past few springs. A series of unusually cold winters has gripped the American Far West, while New England and northern Europe have recently experienced the mildest winters within anyone’s recollection.
As they review the bizarre and unpredictable weather pattern of the past several years, a growing number of scientists are beginning to suspect that many seemingly contradictory meteorological fluctuations are actually part of a global climatic upheaval.

The scientists have published countless papers to show that we are causing all this mayhem.
This is what they say:
However widely the weather varies from place to place and time to time, when meteorologists take an average of temperatures around the globe they find that the atmosphere has been growing gradually cooler for the past three decades. The trend shows no indication of reversing.

Uh….wait a minute, growing cooler?
The cooling trend shows no indication of reversing?
But….

Climatological Cassandras are becoming increasingly apprehensive, for the weather aberrations they are studying may be the harbinger of another ice age.

Another Ice Age?
But but………….

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944914,00.html#ixzz1W7fACrUp
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August 26, 2011 8:55pm
nasska

Luc

…”But be informed that I have always found nicer places to ejaculate into than the open air or hankies. In fact, one of my wives, can’t remember which, now”…

Nice…but still not like the real thing is it?
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August 26, 2011 8:56pm
Pauleastbay

V2

Alarmist comments propagated by Winston the Short and Drunk hold no fear me or mine on being able to access New Zealand beaches.

Comments like ” happy cannibals” are wank, you can be better than that, I live in an area where bones turn up all the time, all from fighting, they just get taken up the hill and buried quietly.

But if you want confrontation on this issue Winnie and his geriatric drones just have to keep on making stupid comments like yours above alarming other geriatrics and there will be some equally stupid crowd on the other wanting to grab a headline.
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August 26, 2011 8:56pm
Hurf Durf

No problem with Gaddis or Beevor then, huh? I wonder if either of them have ever justified the hanging of eight year old children before, that might be why.
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August 26, 2011 8:58pm
Viking2

Pauleastbay (1,237) Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 8:56 pm

V2

Alarmist comments propagated by Winston the Short and Drunk hold no fear me or mine on being able to access New Zealand beaches.

Well before you rave off about something you obviously don’t understand and apparently want to kiss The National Maori Parties arse you should probably have read the article I linked.
Nothing at all to do with Winston.

I WILL ACCEPT A DONATION TO THE CAUSE AS YOUR APOLOGY.
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August 26, 2011 9:04pm
Sonny Blount

An extract: “Of course, to show that cosmic rays were actually responsible for some part of the recent warming, you would need to show that there was actually a decreasing trend in cosmic rays over recent decades – which is tricky, because there hasn’t been (see the figure).”

Thats like saying ‘in order to show CO2 is responsible for global mean temperature, you would need to show that there was actually an increase in GMT over the last decade, which is tricky because there hasn’t been.’

Why is the burden of proof for Cosmic Rays higher than the burden for CO2?

After all the logic of AGW was ‘we can’t account for the warming in another way’, well now they can. So fuck off and shut up.
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August 26, 2011 9:04pm
Pauleastbay

I WILL ACCEPT A DONATION TO THE CAUSE AS YOUR APOLOGY

Like fuck and I did read the article, again just alarmist

Tell me that Winston the Short and Drunk is not going to use this as a or his only platform to try and gain some traction for his aged constituency – scare the old folk, the horis are coming .
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August 26, 2011 9:18pm
Scott Chris

Some food for thought for an open minded skeptic:

http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=42392

“Except for a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s, Earth’s surface temperatures have increased since 1880. The last decade has brought temperatures to the highest levels ever recorded, and the last year of the decade (2009) was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, is based on temperatures recorded at weather stations around the world and satellite data over the oceans.”
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August 26, 2011 9:27pm
Sonny Blount

Wow. Warming, who would have expected that?

We’ve only had 10 deg C of it over the last 10,000 years since coming out of the last ice age. Have you got the extinction of Mammoths in your list of things caused by AGW?

We’ve got another 4 deg C of it to go before we hit the usual interglacial peak btw.
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August 26, 2011 9:36pm
Pauleastbay

Scott

For me the kicker is ” highest levels ever recorded”

I don’t know how long records have been kept but it wont be more than a 100 years with any sort of accuracy and then only in a few places.

Humans have only been around for in time terms 4 and 1/2 minutes and records will account for in time terms 15 seconds so statistically records are irrelevant and I got 15% for school cert maths so I know my numbers
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August 26, 2011 9:38pm
Sonny Blount

The ‘records’ bit is actually a little white lie Paul as our ice core data and other measures are all part of the record of temperature and go much, much higher than today.
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August 26, 2011 9:42pm
eaglewatch

Re. access to sea bed and foreshore…

Anybody (Maori or non-Maori) who tries to tell me or mine that i cant go to my fishing spot and catch fresh snapper for dinner can argue with me, my dog, my gaff and the other angry fuckers with me that they just pissed off !!!
The whole concept of the sea bed or anything below the high tide mark being “owned” by anyone or mores the point any one particular race is fundametally flawed (not to mention delusional, greedy and racist in the extreme).

Viking
An interesting and alarming read, thanks… food for thought come voting time !!!
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August 26, 2011 9:43pm
Scott Chris

I agree, its nothing conclusive, just a worrying trend which coincides with some predictions.
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August 26, 2011 9:57pm
Scott Chris

Re the mammoths, there’s a lot of conjecture as to the cause of their extinction, but seeing hand axe marks on mammoth bones is suggestive of one possible culprit. Homo Sapiens’ more recent extinction exploits would indicate that over-hunting killed the mammoths.
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August 26, 2011 10:06pm
starboard

Fag Findlayson is giving the county away. He should be hung for treason.
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August 26, 2011 10:06pm
Viking2

Pauleastbay (1,239) Says:
August 26th, 2011 at 9:18 pm

I WILL ACCEPT A DONATION TO THE CAUSE AS YOUR APOLOGY

Like fuck and I did read the article, again just alarmist

Tell me that Winston the Short and Drunk is not going to use this as a or his only platform to try and gain some traction for his aged constituency – scare the old folk, the horis are coming .

Like I said your use of Winston is a red herring (something we won’t be able to go to the beach for). and has nothing to do with the subject.

Go here and spend some time learning.
http://www.nzcpr.com/CoastalCoalition.htm

Lots of things to read.
e.g. http://www.nzcpr.com/CoastalCoalitionNews.htm#Medio130610

Get your head out of the sand before the Taniwha sucks you right under.
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August 26, 2011 10:09pm
Other_Andy

Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.

Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010
http://www.nzz.ch/nachrichten/schweiz/klimapolitik_verteilt_das_weltvermoegen_neu_1.8373227.html
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August 26, 2011 10:10pm
Viking2

http://www.nzcpr.com/CoastalCoalitionNews.htm#Media250810

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO1009/S00159/clause-for-free-beach-access-removed.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1104/S00133/plan-to-bend-the-rules-threatens-democratic-process.htm
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August 26, 2011 10:10pm
Pauleastbay

Starboard

Chris Finlayson is not interested in county at all.

Good night
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August 26, 2011 10:12pm
starboard

Viking I subscribe to the nzcpr…its truthful, scary reading..a must read for every kiwi.
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August 26, 2011 10:12pm
starboard

haha !!! Good one..my bad!
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August 26, 2011 10:14pm
Viking2

http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly279.htm
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August 26, 2011 10:19pm
Viking2

See what happens when the Truth is put about.
The Nats. run away and won’t hold a conversation.

Afraid to face the Truth Paul?
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August 26, 2011 10:23pm
starboard

from nzcpr..

“Although the $1 billion fiscal ‘cap’ has long passed, it remains relevant to Maori, as Mike explains: “The $1-billion figure is controversial in the ethereal world of treaty settlements because that is the figure that triggers ratchet clauses in the 1995 Waikato-Tainui $170-million settlement and that of the same amount by Ngai Tahu in 1998. Once triggered, those clauses would provide both tribes with 17 percent of settlements over $1-billion”. Using Mikes’ figures, if the ratchet clauses are triggered, Tainui and Ngai Tahu stand to gain another $400 million, dwarfing their original settlements.”
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August 27, 2011 3:03am
Griff

Then you have the new Zealand wars the big land steal by white settlers.

Oh we forgot to mention that the Tribes were trying to drive the settlers “into the sea”from land paid for more than once.

And threatening to kill and eat their Maori friends while that were at it.

never mind how dare you enforce laws on the poor Maori that were so much better of before the colonization happened.

Its best you keep paying three full settlements one treaty and the treaty “principles of apartheid ” and still not there YET.
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