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sbk

“It’s not about reasonableness, it’s what’s practical”…but it is unreasonable to expect my meat to be labelled… why is this so fucking hard to do…its take’s no training to use a marker.
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August 1, 2011 3:15pm
Other_Andy

Pete George (10,682) Says:

“Haha. See my last post (2.40pm)”

Wow, I must be clairvoyant…..
Spooky.
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August 1, 2011 3:23pm
Pete George

“It’s not about reasonableness, it’s what’s practical”…but it is unreasonable to expect my meat to be labelled… why is this so fucking hard to do…its take’s no training to use a marker.

Just look for a source of meat that tells you what you want to know. Some meats can be traced to farm of origin. Some butchers source and kill their own. Farmers markets could be worth a try. It might cost more but what s the price of religious purity?

Would you like this level of labeling?

Bunty: illegitimate parents, farmer Anglican, draughter Catholic (company part owned by Chinese), driven to works on Sunday by atheist, kill method halal, boner swore Jesus f-ing Christ when he nicked himself, packed by lapsed Catholic, supermarket label separate.
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August 1, 2011 4:09pm
Rodders

Got my hopes up when I saw this headline
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5371386/Goff-shuts-door-on-Winston

Unfortunately, it is only referring to pre-election deals, not post-election.
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August 1, 2011 4:41pm
Pete George

krazykiwi at 1:26 pm

Pete went on to say: I’ll add a note to my diary for 26th August: Check if krazykiwi still thinks the sight of those dead bodies and distraught kids and their families in Norway remind him of Hitler. This was an outrageous strawman, badly disguised as a personal smear. It looks like [2] negative politics, with a hearty dose of [2] mudslinging and [2] dirty tricks. This makes believing [2] a just tad difficult, more so given Pete’s history of drive-by smears including when he tried repeatedly to claim that I was in someone’s pay.

I’m a reasonable chappie though, and an unqualified apology from Pete for his smears will be accepted.

krazykiwi, you dropped a bomb in the thread, a number of people including me understood it as support from you for the comments likening the young Norwegians to Hitler Youth. You then refused to discuss, clarify or deny. It wasn’t a personal smear in light of that, and was nothing like the implied smear of your’s directed at the young people in Norway, many of whom were murdered.

I’ve said I will listen but I have never promised to agree with everything anyone says. I stick by what I said and am happy to be judged on that.

You could have easily have made the point about the timing Beck’s comment without any implication that you endorsed it, you chose to implicate yourself and then chose to leave that unexplained.

You could give an unqualified explanation now for your comment, otherwise you will have to accept being called on what you posted. I don’t feel I have anything to apologise for.

This is what it was about:
Beck: “There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth. I mean, who does a camp for kids that’s all about politics? Disturbing.”

krazykiwi: “While I don’t disagree with the words, his timing is both disgraceful and offensive.”
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August 1, 2011 4:44pm
Rodders

I’m suprised that krazykiwi has raised the issue of last week’s General Debate again.
He could have only received a bigger arse-whipping if he had put a bunch of bananas down his trousers and then set a Gorilla loose 😉
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August 1, 2011 4:53pm
joana

PG etc
It is called ”stealth jihad.” There are dozens of different kinds of jihad. eg rapejihad , gang rape jihad , economic jihad etc. Other Andy really knows his stuff.
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August 1, 2011 5:48pm
Other_Andy

@PG

“Would you like this level of labeling?”
“Bunty: illegitimate parents, farmer Anglican, draughter Catholic (company part owned by Chinese), driven to works on Sunday by atheist, kill method halal, boner swore Jesus f-ing Christ when he nicked himself, packed by lapsed Catholic, supermarket label separate.”

What about “GE free”, “Free Range”, “SPCA approved”, “Ethical”, “Fair Trade”?

Thank you for buying a Slims product.
All our products are made according to the laws and regulations of the Horned God of Wicca.
For every bar of chocolate you buy $ 1.50 is used to provide the high priest with young virgins and spread our faith.

I couldnt care less if it was made by a trans-sexual Taoist with one leg and an eye patch.
BUT….If it rises the price of a product for something I don’t want and that money goes to an organisation I don’t agree with?
Yes.
Fair enough?
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August 1, 2011 5:50pm
Pete George

It’s all part of market requirements and marketing Andy. And consumer’s choice. I’d rather there were less overheads too, but I grow my own mutton so have that covered.
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August 1, 2011 5:59pm
joana

Australian Defence League and friends stand tall and strong against jihad.

30th July 2,011 Australian patriots gathered in martin Place Sydney to stage a peaceful demo against the encroachments of sharia law in their country.

See Winds of Jihad
See also ”Tourist jihad.”
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August 1, 2011 6:01pm
Rodders

Australian Defence League – related to NZ’s Right Wing Resistance?
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August 1, 2011 6:06pm
Scott Chris

The various crime organizations around the country will be popping the champagne corks tonight as the synthetic cannabis highs are taken off the shop shelves in the next few days. So little Jonny will be heading down to the Mongrel Mob tinny house to buy his weed again. Sigh.
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August 1, 2011 6:10pm
joana

Rodders,
ADL , probably connected to the EDL.
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August 1, 2011 6:17pm
Rodders

joana – This EDL ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372725/Shaming-St-Georges-Cross-Vile-EDL-thugs-2-000-strong-hate-protest-wear-flag-coloured-burkas-confront-Muslims.html
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August 1, 2011 6:28pm
mikenmild

Rodders

The Australian version might not be so restrained!
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August 1, 2011 6:31pm
Other_Andy

@Rodders

One group of thugs confronting another group of thugs.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358792/Anjem-Choudary-lead-White-House-protest-calling-Muslims-rise-up.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8126357/Muslims-clash-with-police-after-burning-poppy-in-anti-Armistice-Day-protest.html
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August 1, 2011 6:50pm
nasska

A tough looking biker was riding his Harley when he sees a girl about to jump off a bridge so he stops.

“What are you doing?” he asks.

“I’m going to commit a suicide,” she says.

While he did not want to appear insensitive, he didn’t want to miss an opportunity he asked “Well, before you jump, why don’t you give me a kiss?”

So, she does.

After she’s finished, the biker says, “Wow! That was the best Kiss I have ever had. That’s a real talent you are wasting. You could be famous! Why are you committing suicide?”

“My parents don’t like me dressing up like a girl.”
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August 1, 2011 7:00pm
Rodders

😀
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August 1, 2011 7:03pm
joana

Rodders,
I am a fan of Tommy Robinson , not his real name. You people are not living in the conditions that these English people are living in . It is really too easy to judge.
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August 1, 2011 7:16pm
Rodders

joana – I see that Stephen Lennon a.k.a. Tommy Robinson has been convicted for leading a street brawl.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/jul/25/english-defence-league-founder-brawl
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August 1, 2011 7:24pm
nasska

A National MP Ben dies and goes to Hell. The devil himself meets him surrounded by fire and lightning and offers to show the new bloke around the place. They pass sights that are so horrible that they have not even been seen on TV1, they hear sounds that would make mortals go insane with fear and they smell rotten and burning flesh everywhere.

Eventually they arrive at a door marked Labour Caucus room, and wails and gnashing of teeth can be heard outside.
“This is where you will spend the rest of eternity.” the devil smirks. Ben is obviously less than happy having to share all eternity with a bunch of Labour Politicians, but says nothing and assumes that this is indeed hell. As Ben enters the room he notices that everyone is being force-fed lemonade with beer through straws; some people are lying face down over swiss balls being buggered senseless by large men with masks on; everyone however is wearing a blue scarf.

Ben slightly perturbed by the fact that no Labour MP’s seem to have gone to hell asks the prince of darkness “Why are there no Labour Politicians in hell?”

“AAAHHH”, said the devil “We used to have them until we realised this was their idea of heaven!”
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August 1, 2011 7:25pm
Rodders

nasska – Is that an old Ben Couch joke? 🙂
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August 1, 2011 7:33pm
nasska

Rodders

No…Pommie university magazine item altered for NZ. Funnily enough I met Ben Couch a couple of times & he wasn’t a bad sort of rooster. Poor bugger got hell from the TV satire shows but he seemed to take it in good grace.
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August 1, 2011 7:38pm
Steve

Stanley died in a fire and his body was
burned pretty badly.
The morgue needed someone to identify the body, so they sent for his two best friends, Cooter and Gomer.
The three men had always done everything together.
Cooter arrived first, and when the mortician pulled back the sheet,
Cooter said, ‘Yup, his face is burned up pretty bad. You better roll him over.’
The mortician rolled him over and Cooter said, ‘Nope, ain’t Stanley ‘
The mortician thought this was rather strange.
So he brought Gomer in to confirm the identity of the body.
Gomer looked at the body and said, ‘Yup, he’s pretty well burnt up. Roll him over..’
The mortician rolled him over and Gomer said, ‘No, it ain’t Stanley ‘
The mortician asked, ‘How can you tell?’
Gomer said, ‘Well, Stanley had two
assholes.’
‘What? He had two assholes?’ asked the mortician.
‘Yup, we never seen ’em, but everybody used to say:
‘There’s Stanley with them two
assholes.’
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August 1, 2011 7:39pm
Rodders

nasska @ 7:38pm – cheers 🙂
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August 1, 2011 7:40pm
Griff

@Scott Chris
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10742267
they dont look at the science do they
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August 1, 2011 7:44pm
nasska

Q: What is blond, brunette, blond, brunette, ….?
A: A blond doing cartwheels.”

Q: Why don’t blondes breast-feed their babies?
A: It hurts too much to boil the nipples.

Q. How many blondes does it take to change a nappy?
A. Ask Hugh Hefner.
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August 1, 2011 7:48pm
Mick Mac

http://www.melaniephillips.com/crazed-dinner-party-politics

Jews who hate Israel, go figure.

http://www.melaniephillips.com/hatred-smears-and-liberals-bullying-us-into-silence

The left who are always right.
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August 1, 2011 7:56pm
pdm

Man goes to his Doctor to get the results of recent tests.
Doctor says I have very bad news for you – you have only a few hours to live and you won’t wake up in the morning.
The man rushes home to tell his wife the bad news.
She says – don’t worry dear tonight I will cook your favourite meal and then we will cuddle on the couch and watch a movie just like we used to.
I have a better idea after the meal why don’t we go to bed and make passionate love all night like we used to says the man.
The wife relied – that is all right for you – you don’t have to get up in the morning.
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August 1, 2011 8:11pm
mikenmild

Is that the same Melanie Phillips who thinks Obama is a secret Muslim?
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August 1, 2011 8:14pm
Pete George

Melanie Phillips: “hatred-smears-and-liberals-bullying-us-into-silence”.

I’ve been accused of similar. Am I supposed to heed that message that I shouldn’t say what I think so some poor people don’t feel bullied? How wimpy PC is that?

I’ve been bullied and threatened by a few on the right and a few on the left, all the more reason to stand up to them.
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August 1, 2011 8:14pm
krazykiwi

krazykiwi, you dropped a bomb in the thread, a number of people including me understood it as support from you for the comments likening the young Norwegians to Hitler Youth.

You misunderstood. Then you misrepresented. Then you refused to take my comments as face value. Then you attacked and smeared, while piously professing to endorse “more positive politics, no mudslinging or dirty tricks”

Absolutely disgraceful.

So let me be clear:

1. You are a hypocrite

2. I believe childrens political movements, or all/any types, are weird. Your straw man association of Norweigen kids, Hitler youth, dead bodies and distressed families was grotesque and distasteful. Shame on you.

3. I would not discuss childrens political movements at a schedule that suited you. That was never my intention, moreso as my core criticism of Beck was the absolute inappropriateness of that discussion. I noticed that you joined the feeding frenzy on this topic the next day. I didn’t. My mates Norweigen wife was pretty upset, and given the the grieving were yet to even begin burying their dead it wasn’t appropriate.

Pete, I had a modicum of respect returning for you despite your smears over the AGW business. But that has vanished. Your own words show you to be very prepared to sling mud and engage in dirty tricks. Your refusal to show even the slightest remorse simply reaffirms my assessment of your behaviour as disgustingly hypocritical.
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August 1, 2011 8:19pm
mikenmild

krazykiwi

You said that you didn’t disagree with Glenn Beck’s words.
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August 1, 2011 8:26pm
krazykiwi

mm – ref #2.
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August 1, 2011 8:28pm
Pete George

krazykiwi, when you introduced the Beck quote and said “I don’t disagree with the words” did you realise that it would easily be seen as agreeing with his words, including the connection of the Norwegian youth camp with Hitler youth? You seem either naive or you did that deliberately.

You’re still trying to manipulate words with “I believe childrens political movements, or all/any types, are weird.”

That’s quite different to ““There was a shooting at a political camp, which sounds a little like, you know, the Hitler youth”.

The camp was for youths and young adults, not children.

And you are still not clarifying whether you think the Hitler youth connection was appropriate or not. You could have easily done that then. You could easily do that now. That you keep addressing that makes it seem like you’re not being up front with your views.

All you need to clarify your views on the Hitler reference. If you’d done that in the first place this could have blown over and been forgotten by now.

“mm – ref #2” looks like avoidance.
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August 1, 2011 8:35pm
krazykiwi

Pete, I do not need to clarify anything further. I’ve already done that, and you again refuse to listen (“we’ll listen” – hear me scoffing at that!)

I repeat, you misunderstood. Then you misrepresented. Then you refused to take my comments as face value. Then you attacked and smeared, while piously professing to endorse “more positive politics, no mudslinging or dirty tricks”. Absolutely disgraceful.

Tell me, do you believe you’ve demonstrated more positive politics, without mudslinging and without dirty tricks over the course of this discussion? Serious question. You claim to aspire to this standard. Have you?
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August 1, 2011 8:47pm
Mick Mac

What’s he done now?
Thank God someone here showed me RIP.
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August 1, 2011 8:52pm
reid

Pete and mm, I hardly think kk intended to announce he supports that guy or anything he stands for.

Why are you loading that interpretation into his comments either today or the other day?

Nothing is more irritating than when someone takes the wrong interpretation on something you’ve said and won’t let it go no matter how many times you explain it. It happened to me a few weeks ago and it was tewwible. I had a gweat big cwy and then I felt better but it was weally bad at the time.

But seriously, let’s get real right? This guy isn’t worth a minute’s headspace in that what he did is inexplicable in any way worth considering. If you care to understand his motives, why? They can’t be rational, so why bother?

And you think our very own kk is a supporter of him in anyway? Seriously? Er, …
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August 1, 2011 8:54pm
Pete George

kk – you do need to clarify more if you want to be clear. You refused to clarify before. You’ve now half explained but fudged.

If I’m to listen to people effectively I need to make sure I understand what they really mean.
I don’t think you have made yourself clear.

reid, the other day and now I keep asking for clarification and I see obfuscation. I don’t think kk is like him, I think kk appears to be avoiding taking responsibility for his original post. And he brought it up again today.
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August 1, 2011 8:55pm
joana

MnM You don’t know who Melanie Phillips is ? Where have you been?
Rodders..you should get out more. When were you last in the UK?
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August 1, 2011 8:56pm
Rodders

joana – Are you suggesting that because I don’t admire football hooligans, I am “judgemental”?
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August 1, 2011 8:59pm
mikenmild

reid

kk has had plenty of chances to confirm he didn’t agree with Glenn Beck’s equation of the Norwegian youth camp with the Hitler Youth. I have to conclude that he did agree with Beck.

BTW, I watched the rest of that film you linked to the other day. Glad I saw it all, especially the happy Jews in the German camps towards the end.
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August 1, 2011 9:00pm
krazykiwi

pete, you claim to stand for “more positive politics, no mudslinging or dirty tricks”. On the contrary, your conduct here demonstrates beyond all reasonable doubt that you enjoy this behaviour. That makes you a hypocrite. No other rational explanation.
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August 1, 2011 9:02pm
reid

especially the happy Jews in the German camps towards the end.

Yes I saw your comment last night on that. What do you mean by it?
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August 1, 2011 9:02pm
cha

The faces of KK’s nazi youth campers.

I think Glenn Beck might be right – what the hell was a 14 year old doing at a political party camp. Thats closer to nazi youth camps than modern democracy.
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August 1, 2011 9:03pm
joana

KrazyKiwi
In my early days on Kiwiblog , I used to engage with PG but then I realized it was a waste of time. I told him that it was nothing personal ; I just had better things to do with my time. I think I got what you meant , so keep on keeping on and don’t let the PGs of this world slow you down.
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August 1, 2011 9:05pm
joana

I am with you Cha. Hitler youth and this camp had the same agenda also..anti-semitism.
Rodders..I still want to know when you were last in the UK?
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August 1, 2011 9:10pm
mikenmild

reid

After the bit in The Shadow of Hermes where the cheering Estonians, etc welcomed the German army as liberators from Soviet tyranny, the narration was ‘in the German camps things were very different’, followed by scenes of star-wearing inmates leading happy, fulfilled lives. I don’t know how anyone could miss that. Apart from that, the masonic conspiracy stuff was pretty entertaining.
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August 1, 2011 9:11pm
Rodders

joana – I haven’t managed to visit the UK yet although I have distant relatives there.
btw you appear to have completely missed the irony in cha’s comment.
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August 1, 2011 9:12pm
mikenmild

At least joana isn’t running away from her views…she actually does believe that Beck had it right.
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August 1, 2011 9:13pm
krazykiwi

Good on ya cha. More irrelevant links, from stories/quotes I never linked to, nor commented on. Go back to our last discussion. I showed you to be woefully inaccurate, presumptive and completely lacking in reasoning skills. Try again son.
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August 1, 2011 9:14pm
reid

joana – Are you suggesting that because I don’t admire football hooligans, I am “judgemental”?

Not sure about joanna but I think you are Rodders. What the hell’s wrong with a bit of football hooliganry every now and then?

Harmless, innocent children.

Won’t someone think of the children?

So apparently Rodders, you’re also anti-children as well as being all judgy. How disgraceful.
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August 1, 2011 9:18pm
Pete George

A bit of simple honesty would clear it all up krazy.

Do you agree with Beck’s Hitler youth connection with the Utoya camp? Yes or no?
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August 1, 2011 9:19pm
reid

I don’t know how anyone could miss that.

That was 30 secs of 151 minutes mm. If all you got out of it was Masonic Conspiracy I feel very sorry for you.

Thing about that stuff is, if that’s your first real exposure to it, you wouldn’t have a hope of getting it. You’d be too engaged with your cognitive dissonance. But good you watched it. Hopefully you’ll watch others on different topics in years to come, as well.

If you do and you’re discerning, you’ll discover it brings new paradigms of understanding and meaning which adds to and not detracts from your previous views and layers and meaning. In other words, it’s an addition, plus you still have your old views, as well.
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August 1, 2011 9:22pm
Rodders

reid @ 9.18pm – joana might soon comment “I am with you” (as she did with cha) 😉
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August 1, 2011 9:24pm
mikenmild

reid

I don’t think the Russian Revolution was a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy. That’s not cognitive dissonance.
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August 1, 2011 9:26pm
Scott Chris

cha

The faces – poignant post.

Re. kk’s remarks; a bit tactless maybe, but I can see his point, even if I don’t agree with it. Glen Beck using that comparison though, was something more pernicious and cynical, owing to the context and the timing.
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August 1, 2011 9:35pm
joana

Too late at night for irony for me..and yes I never run away from my views.
Rodders. I think you should go to the UK and see things for yourself ; especially the Northern cities and Tower Hamlets , London etc.
Have you ever seen an English movie called ”White girl?” this would also give you a good indication.
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August 1, 2011 9:35pm
Rodders

No joana, I haven’t seen “White Girl.” This is more my cup of tea:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
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August 1, 2011 9:40pm
reid

I don’t think the Russian Revolution was a Jewish-Masonic conspiracy. That’s not cognitive dissonance.

No of course it’s not, mm. Cognitive dissonance is ego-protection.

It happens all the time when you get ideas that challenge accepted reality. If you have to change a paradigm of how the world works that’s not a small thing for it means re-assessing a lot of things about how you thought it was all put together.

What I meant by “if all you got out of it was Masonic conspiracy I feel sorry for you” is that if that’s all you could focus on, that’s all you were seeing and there were a number of layers in that thesis.

I never even noticed the Masonic bits, I already knew all of that, anyway. The mention of Albert Pike was significant, but it would have escaped you, or didn’t it? Anyway, I was looking at other dynamics.

I suggest if you’re skeptical then check any of the historical names dates places he cites. Any of them. Just because a set of facts assembled in a certain way challenges your present belief structures doesn’t make that assembly false even if you yourself can’t bring yourself, yet, to even imagine objectively not emotively that it may, or may not be the case.

That’s what I do personally, with this stuff. I consign it to the possible file, pending further evidence one way or the other. It may be true, or it may not be. I don’t really care. But it explains a great deal about the dynamics which drive this world, if you’re discerning.
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August 1, 2011 9:42pm
mikenmild

reid

Most of the bland assertions in that ‘documentary’ are just waffle. Do you really believe in the Illuminati controlling the world? Was the Statue of Liberty really a gift of the Masons? Did Churchill make a pact with Stalin in 1940? Etc, etc….
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August 1, 2011 9:44pm
krazykiwi

Pete, how would repeating my honesty clear up your hypocrisy?

Hitler Youth was one of dozens of youth political movements, many of which involve programs for children. You may think this is ok. I think it is weird, as I have already stated, and as you have repeatedly chosen not to comprehend.

I repeat, you misunderstood. Then you misrepresented. Then you refused to take my comments as face value. Then you attacked and smeared, while piously professing to endorse “more positive politics, no mudslinging or dirty tricks”. Absolutely disgraceful.

Tell me, do you believe you’ve demonstrated more positive politics, without mudslinging and without dirty tricks over the course of this discussion? Serious question. You claim to aspire to this standard. Have you? Will you give a straight answer?
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August 1, 2011 9:50pm
reid

Do you really believe in the Illuminati controlling the world? Was the Statue of Liberty really a gift of the Masons? Did Churchill make a pact with Stalin in 1940?

I don’t know and I don’t care, mm.

I think all are possible and if you can’t conceive of that, despite facts being placed before you, then what does that say about your argument.

I repeat, I don’t care if any or all of its true, mm.

But the difference between you and I is, I calmly and unemotionally think it could be, for reasons in addition to what was covered in that 151 minutes, far more than just that, plus I understand exactly why you’re so skeptical as well, so whose better off in the general equation of knowledge = power here?

That’s it, really. Plus it’s occasionally quite interesting, if you’re discerning. I thought that doco was interesting, that’s why I posted it.
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August 1, 2011 9:56pm
Pete George

krazykiwi – I’m not mudslinging or playing a dirty trick asking a simple straight forward question – which you keep skirting around and avoiding answering like an old fashioned politician.
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August 1, 2011 9:56pm
Scott Chris

Comic relief:

That Mitchell and Webb Look – Diana Assassination Conspiracy Spoof

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoZ71sj3Kn0&feature=related
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August 1, 2011 10:10pm
krazykiwi

SC 9:35. Thank you.

PG 9:56. Which strawman are you expecting answered? Of course I won’t answer any of your nonsense. Other readers here know my thoughts on children’s political movements perfectly well.

I’ll add a note to my diary for 26th August: Check if krazykiwi still thinks the sight of those dead bodies and distraught kids and their families in Norway remind him of Hitler.

No dirty tricks? No mud? How can you possibly stand by your website’s proclamations of excellence when you say things like this?

I’ll put up with being called a fuckwit, liar, or coward by people who can’t back up their accusations or, in the case of rodders, express a little remorse for heat of the moment responses.

But what really sticks in my craw Pete George is condescending hypocrisy.

And you’ve demonstrated plenty of that over the course of this discussion.
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August 1, 2011 10:28pm
sbk

“It’s all part of market requirements and marketing Andy. And consumer’s choice”…Pete you said it …choice…but it seems you are of the opinion that it is only Jews and Muslims who have the right to know how there meat is killed and what religious practice was used…for the rest of us, find home kill.
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August 2, 2011 12:59am
Pete George

But what really sticks in my craw Pete George is condescending hypocrisy.

Hypocrisy like a researched extended attempt to smear me and what I’m doing while you accuse me of smearing you?

Hypocrisy like complaining of being smeared while you leave a major smear on the youth (and adults) of Utoya?

Of course I won’t answer any of your nonsense. Other readers here know my thoughts on children’s political movements perfectly well.

Of course you won’t. You want a bob each way, you seem to want to win pats on the back from “other readers here” who agree with the Hitler connection to Utoya, but you try to place a distance between yourself and accusations of doing the same by not having the guts to be up front about it.

And your continued reference to “children” sounds condescending at best. Of those killed on Utoya many were teenagers, quite a few in their 20s and 30s, several in their 50s, and Hanna Endresen was 62. I wonder if something sticks in the craws of their families – and if they knew their dead loved ones were being likened to Hitler youth it would stick it even more.
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August 2, 2011 6:55am
Viking2

So when your own committee tells it like it is and publicly and you don’t like the truth you send it back for modification.
Yep that’s what ya do.

No its not the Treaty or any of its settlements this time
Its that famous world leading when we are not going to be world leading illusionary scheme called the ETS.

Its author doesn’t like its school report so first its going back for a “review”. What’s the money that the persons who prepared the report will be asked to step down or some such in the near future.
You wouldn’t even bet on that on ipredict.
Oh dear.

The idots remain out of the asylum.

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Next Article: REDGroup plan to offer 3 cents in dollar
Govt sends ETS report back for updating
By Brian Fallow
5:30 AM Tuesday Aug 2, 2011

The Government (NICK SMITH) has kicked for touch with the Caygill report on the emissions trading scheme (ETS), sending it back to the review panel for updating in light of Australia’s carbon tax scheme.

The move is liable to be seen either as a delaying tactic – given the panel, chaired by David Caygill, is unlikely to have any more information about the Australian scheme than the Government already has – or as a sign the Government ( Nick and his nutters),is unhappy with the review’s recommendations.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10742385
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August 2, 2011 6:57am
joana

You are wasting your time Krazy kiwi.
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August 2, 2011 8:33am
krazykiwi

Indeed
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