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Lance

What is the meaning of being first?
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August 19, 2011 8:04am
ciaron

What joy!

Bugger.
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August 19, 2011 8:04am
MyNameIsJack

Ths is where the religious fundies, the family firrsters and nzcoservatives want us to head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrjX55KF3ZQ&feature=player_embedded

Parents, beat your children well.
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August 19, 2011 8:05am
iMP

STUFF TODAY: Any 19 year old who goes to a city hotel blindfolded for a sex act, deserves everything he gets.
He was lucky, the deceased offender, was bordering on serial killer with a collection of victim’s underpants.
This kinda stuff can escalate. (Bundy, BTK, Zodiak et al puke.)
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August 19, 2011 8:08am
ciaron

NewsFlash: Whilst people in Christchurch build snowmen, MNIJ builds gargantuan strawman.
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August 19, 2011 8:13am
Scott Chris

Gay Finches As Faithful As Straight Finches

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2011/08/16/gay-zebra-finches-are-as-faithful-to-each-other-as-straight-breeding-pairs-115875-23347741/

Imagine there’s no heaven…….
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August 19, 2011 8:17am
Lance

@Scott

WTF????

And black widow female spiders eat their mate…

Your point being?
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August 19, 2011 8:24am
Murray

You’re a very sick fuck jackoff.
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August 19, 2011 8:25am
Whafe

Cold crisp beautiful cloudless sky in Auckland… Preparing for not only a Labour fuck up, but now also anticipating the next RWC Blunder / Fuckup
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August 19, 2011 8:25am
Scott Chris

Lance

Then perhaps male black widows would be better off gay
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August 19, 2011 8:35am
Scott Chris

Whale Oil Plans Trashy Expose

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5471925/Right-wing-blogger-planning-book

Right-wing blogger Cameron Slater is working on a couple of books and hopes to release one before the election. It may contain details of the sexual exploits of MPs and is likely to include examples of dodgy behaviour by MPs.
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August 19, 2011 8:38am
MyNameIsJack

The chickens are coming home to roost, the theocracy about to collapse.

The child abuse, the suppression of women, the attacks on human progress all coming to an end.

Dublin’s Catholic archdiocese is close to a ‘state of financial collapse’ according to a leaked consultation document from its Council of Priests, details of which are printed in today’s Irish Catholic newspaper.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0817/church.html?RTEMAILID
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August 19, 2011 8:39am
Ford Anglia

Regarding the Telecom Backing Black campaign; 60,000 plus international tourists are coming here in a few weeks. Most of them will buy a local mobile SIM to avoid eye-watering inter-network charges. Until Tuesday the majority of them had never heard of Telecom, but do know Vodafone. For a relatively small price, Telecom has reached an international audience, who can at least laugh at the concept, unlike us. When tourists arrive and see Vodafone and Telecom stores, Telecom will have a share of mind rather than none.

As sure as eggs, you can rely on the insular locals to brew a storm in a teacup. Did the media get used?
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August 19, 2011 8:40am
mikenmild

And will those tourists go for a SIM from company they have just heard of through their staggeringly crass and inept marketing or will they just think ‘Let’s stick with Vodafone’?
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August 19, 2011 8:52am
ciaron

Watch 2Degrees make hay out of this. Personally I’m a bit over Rhys, but he’s a far sight funnier than anything Telecom ever thought of.
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August 19, 2011 8:59am
TimG_Oz

UN condemns Terrorist attacks:

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=39328&Cr=Israel&Cr1

Stuff fails to use the “T” word:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/5471854/Gunmen-kill-seven-in-Israel-Israel-targets-Gaza-militants
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August 19, 2011 9:07am
mikenmild

Tim

Interesting use of language: one person’s ‘terrorist’ is another’s ‘freedom fighter’. Gunmen or militants seem more neutral terms – but it probably doesn’t matter too much to the victims either way.
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August 19, 2011 9:11am
TimG_Oz

Yes Mike. Apparently launching a raid into another country to attack a civilian bus would make you a freedom fighter. That makes sense.

Don’t worry, the MSM use the T word all the time when it suits.

If it’s good enough for Ban Ki Moon, then what does it tell you. In unrelated news to BKM’s statement, all UN staff have been pulled from Gaza today (threat of reprisal attacks for his condemnation, anyone?)
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August 19, 2011 9:20am
dime

iMP – never done a blind folded hook up?

everyone should do it once. the key is to use the buddy system. ya give your friend the address and if they dont hear from you in 90 mins they alert someone.

there is always those horrible few mins when you think “i hope this isnt a tranny!”

apart from that though, everyone should do it at least once.
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August 19, 2011 9:27am
Pete George

That sounds risky dime. What if the tranny was tuned in to talkback with someone like Laws or Henry talking for 90 minutes and because of the blindfold you couldn’t find how to turn it off?
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August 19, 2011 9:35am
dime

gotta take some risks pete!

it does help being a big mofo though. it wouldve had to have been the worlds biggest tranny to have messed with me haha
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August 19, 2011 9:48am
tom hunter

I’ve long argued that the only thing Obama is competent at is campaigning because that’s pretty much all he’s ever done.

But this latest story about his staff launching an attack on Paul Krugman and the progressive’s in general, really has me wondering if Obama is just incompetent in general. As well-known lefty blogger Jane Hamsher put it:

[I]f this is a brilliant political strategy on the part of OFA, someone is going to have to explain it to me. I know the goal is to attract the much-prized Independent for 2012. But who do they think is keeping Obama’s poll numbers afloat? … What exactly does OFA think they stand to gain by ridiculing Krugman as a ‘political rookie,’ a hysterical ‘fanatic’ and an ‘idealogue’?

Do they think they hold so much sway with liberals that they can discredit Krugman and thus neutralize his criticism? This smacks more of narcissism and personal vendetta than any sound political ‘strategy.'”

Jane almost gets it but passes over the key word – “narcissism”.
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August 19, 2011 9:49am
KiwiGreg

@ tom he was pretty good at paying his debts to the Steelworkers too. So not JUST campaigning.
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August 19, 2011 9:51am
tom hunter

he was pretty good at paying his debts to the Steelworkers too. So not JUST campaigning.

Well some of the debts anyway. Judging from that Canadian-built bus he’s tooling around in he still has not done anything to follow up on his spiel to a huge union forum in Soldier Field (Chicago) in 2007:

“I would immediately call the president of Mexico, the president of Canada, to try to amend NAFTA, because I think that we can get labor agreements in that agreement right now.”

Of course, at least in the case of Canada, the failure to amend NAFTA may be because they don’t have a President.

What was that some leftie was saying here the other day about Bachmann’s/Palin’s IQ and bra size?
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August 19, 2011 10:07am
KiwiGreg

Come on tom, at least Obama knows how many states there are!
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August 19, 2011 10:08am
Viking2

Yep,he just doesn’t know where most of them are. 😆
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August 19, 2011 10:11am
Elaycee

@TimG_Oz – thanks for the tip re Max Brenners. A most enjoyable experience. 🙂
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August 19, 2011 10:12am
Viking2

Economists have usually explained poor people’s counter-intuitive disdain for something that might make them better off by invoking income mobility. Joe the Plumber might not be making enough to be affected by proposed hikes in tax rates on those making more than $250,000 a year, they argue, but he hopes some day to be one of them. This theory explains some cross-country differences, but it would also predict increased support for redistribution as income inequality widens. Yet the opposite has happened in America, Britain and other rich countries where inequality has risen over the past 30 years.

The other explanation one comes across quite often in the lefty parties is that they vote on non-economic issues. Right wing parties are skilled at exploiting social wedge issues. So, for example, the strongest Republican vote in the US is down the banks of the Mississippi, the area of the greatest social deprivation, but also the area with the highest racial contrast in voting patterns.

An anaylysis on why NZ is so poor. We vote against ourselves.
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August 19, 2011 10:12am
Elaycee

So where is the outrage from the usual apologists on KB over the Hamas attacks on innocent Israelis?

Waiting….. waiting…
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August 19, 2011 10:14am
davidp

If only NZ’s union officials were as dedicated as those in South Korea:

“The head of the Hyundai Motor Labor Union Tuesday cut off part of his little finger to express his stern will to do his best and obtain the most favorable outcome in the ongoing labor-management negotiations. The bizarre behavior came as union leader Lee Kyung-hoon was briefing some 2,000 unionists on the process of collective bargaining negotiations at a Hyundai factory in Ulsan, South Gyeongsang Province. “I’d like to make a solemn vow by cutting my finger,” Lee said all of a sudden at the end of his speech, and took out a hand ax and cut off the end of his little finger. He was immediately transferred to a nearby hospital for treatment but sent to a bigger hospital in Busan where he had the severed finger sewn back together.”

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/08/117_92980.html
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August 19, 2011 10:21am
tom hunter

Obama’s recent whining reminded me very much of the classic scene in The Blues Brothers, where Belushi is finally cornered by a very pissed-off, M-16-armed Carrie Fisher and produces an incredible series of excuses for his failure to meet up with her.

However, it seems someone has actually taken that clip and done a mash up with Obama’s press conference remarks on the S&P debt downgrade.. Sad how accurate it is, even down to the earthquakes.

Even sadder is the bit this leaves out – she goes all gooey on him, lowers the rifle and allows him to kiss her – after which he dumps her in the flith of the tunnel floor and tells his brother that they can go now. That will be the Democrat voters in 2012.
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August 19, 2011 10:27am
DavidR

Elaycee,

The outrage doesn’t start until Israel retaliates (and they will).
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August 19, 2011 10:31am
mikenmild

David

They already have. The Israelis don’t muck around. In fact, sometimes they even manage to get their retaliation in first.
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August 19, 2011 10:40am
Sonny Blount

Viking2 (4,815) Says:
August 19th, 2011 at 10:12 am

Economists have usually explained poor people’s counter-intuitive disdain for something that might make them better off by invoking income mobility. Joe the Plumber might not be making enough to be affected by proposed hikes in tax rates on those making more than $250,000 a year, they argue, but he hopes some day to be one of them. This theory explains some cross-country differences, but it would also predict increased support for redistribution as income inequality widens. Yet the opposite has happened in America, Britain and other rich countries where inequality has risen over the past 30 years.

In the states 60% of people in the bottom 20% of earners, are in the top 20% of earners some time in the next 30 years.
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August 19, 2011 10:44am
MyNameIsJack

What was that some leftie was saying here the other day about Bachmann’s/Palin’s IQ and bra size?

No idea, but I do know that a vote for Bachmann is a vote for a person not on the ballot to be POTUS.
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August 19, 2011 11:06am
hj

Productivity in Latin America
City limits
Once a source of economic dynamism, megacities risk becoming a drag on growth

“……every dollar of GDP generated in Chile’s capital, Santiago, requires 60% more energy than a dollar of GDP generated in (much colder) Helsinki in Finland. McKinsey reckons that Bogotá needs to double its housing stock by 2025. Overcoming Latin America’s housing shortage and supplying its urban population with associated services (sewerage, water, gas and electricity) would require investment of $3 trillion by 2025.

If cities are exacerbating, rather than mitigating, national ills, this may be because of a lack of urban planning. Unplanned sprawl leads to a shortage of green space, strains transport systems, and makes it hard for businesses or housing developers to find sites. All this is harder still when cities expand beyond their political boundaries, creating problems of co-ordination (Mexico City is split between the Federal District and the surrounding State of Mexico, for example). But the report also highlights some success stories. In both Monterrey and Medellín, public authorities have worked closely with the private sector to foster innovation.”

http://www.economist.com/node/21525915
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August 19, 2011 11:06am
Longknives

My Name is Jack- I see a pattern…Don’t like Catholics/Christians eh??
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August 19, 2011 11:14am
MyNameIsJack

Watch out, LuciaMaria will be along any second to smack your arse. Catholics are the only xtians, in her view anyway.

But back to your assertion. You are wrong, what I don’t like are liars, and Michelle Bachmann is one of the biggest. Not sure if it is because she is an idiot or if she is just one more in a long line of liars for jesus the US has spawned.
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August 19, 2011 11:35am
TimG_Oz

Let’s have a look at Stuff:

Armed gunmen attack a civilian bus in Pakistan: Stuff uses the term “terror raid”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/1995552/Terror-raid-on-cricketers

Armed Gunmen attack civilians in India: Stuff uses the term “terror attack”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/737889/Kiwi-undaunted-by-Mumbai-terror-attack

Armed gunmen attack a civilian bus in Israel: Stuff uses the terms “militants”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/5471854/Gunmen-kill-seven-in-Israel-Israel-targets-Gaza-militants

Huh??? Different terms/words/rules for different places for the same crime…
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August 19, 2011 11:37am
Elaycee

@DavidR / TimG_Oz – There should be a simple rule for terrorists and dissidents in the Middle East – if you don’t want to be on the wrong end of some serious ordnance, then don’t piss around with Israel.

Whilst the usual KB lefties spout repetitive propaganda about Hamas here on KB, the fact remains that terrorists who fire rockets into Israel, can expect to be on the receiving end of a retaliative strike. Any action will receive an equal reaction etc.

Hamas are nothing more than terrorists and they should be treated accordingly. The media should also stop trying to portray them as anything but terrorists too – but fat chance to that!
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August 19, 2011 11:55am
mikenmild

Tim

To be fair to Stuff, they are probably just using text as reported from whichever agencies they use.
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August 19, 2011 11:59am
TimG_Oz

Agree Mike, this is not a localised problem to New Zealand. This is symptomatic of worldwide media – Reuters, BBC etc.

Not sure what you referred to about “Israel gets it’s retailiation in first”. I’m not a fan of backhanded statements without examples to back them up.
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August 19, 2011 12:07pm
MyNameIsJack

Some countries have laws prohibitting the incitement to or encouragement of terrorism. Seems Israel is not one of those countries.

Kill the babies.

Rape and/or kidnap your enemy’s women.

Yes, all this, and more, is in the torah. And Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira wants the IDF to be more godlike and to follow the torah to the letter.

According to the book, “Hurting small children makes sense if it’s clear that they’ll grow up to harm us, and in such a situation – the injury will be directed at them of all people.”

The “humanity” of orthodox Judaism.

First they came for the children …

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4090992,00.html
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August 19, 2011 12:09pm
mikenmild

MNIJ

Yes, scary stuff, but unfortunately the scary people are well represented on both sides of that conflict.
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August 19, 2011 12:13pm
TimG_Oz

Some countries have laws prohibitting the incitement to or encouragement of terrorism. Seems Israel is not one of those countries.

Troll post.

He was arrested for such crimes.

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/police-release-rabbi-arrested-for-inciting-to-kill-non-jews-1.304261
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August 19, 2011 12:14pm
Lance

@MNIJ
What a troll
One lone nutters rantings does not a policy make.

In the mean time can you explain to us why not only is this theory but practice for the Arab terrorists?
“During the takeover, the hostage-takers killed the children with grenades and automatic weapons”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma'alot_massacre

Or is that O.K because Arab terrorist = good while Jews = bad?
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August 19, 2011 12:25pm
MyNameIsJack

Arrested – yes

Charged – No

Still able to spread hatred – YES.
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August 19, 2011 12:25pm
MyNameIsJack

Lance (829) Says:

August 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
@MNIJ
What a troll
One lone nutters rantings does not a policy make.

The “lone nutters” rantings are all there in the torah, for anyone to read. You know, the divine word of god that is the basis for judaism.
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August 19, 2011 12:27pm
Lance

Since Israel isn’t stoning deflowered virgins (unlike some fucked up countries) I would conclude the state of Israel is run by reasonable people.
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August 19, 2011 12:30pm
Grendel

did MNIJ just get out of jail or something? its been bliss here for weeks (well other than watching Mike tie himself in knots, trying to appease everything) and now the troll is back.

or has someone else left and its his turn on troll duty?
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August 19, 2011 12:39pm
Scott Chris

Tim

The report to which you refer contains this quote:

-In Washington, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in a statement the “brutal and cowardly attacks” near Eilat “appear to be premeditated acts of terrorism against innocent civilians.”

It’s not up to the reporter to make judgments about the political status of the gunmen. To do so would be unbalanced. I note that Hillary Clinton’s statement is conditional, yet she fails to condemn Israel’s extrajudicial retaliatory execution of the Palestinian suspects. Mind you, America’s execution of Bin Laden would suggest that America condones extrajudicial killings.

The report itself is fairly balanced in my opinion.
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August 19, 2011 12:41pm
RightNow

Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists
Rising greenhouse emissions may tip off aliens that we are a rapidly expanding threat, warns a report for Nasa

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2011/aug/18/aliens-destroy-humanity-protect-civilisations?CMP=twt_gu

I don’t know if they’re joking or not, it’s probably not as preposterous as some of the claims I’ve seen
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August 19, 2011 12:42pm
Lee01

MNIJ,

“what I don’t like are liars, and Michelle Bachmann is one of the biggest”

Because?

“The “lone nutters” rantings are all there in the torah, for anyone to read.”

As someone who is deeply familiar with Biblical theology I can honestly state that your profound ignorance is showing. Taking Biblical passages out of any context and understanding of the nature of Biblical narrative, and fishing for news items to support your ignorance, displays an inability to mount an intellectually credible argument.

In short, your trolling.
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August 19, 2011 12:44pm
RightNow

Perhaps I should ask the soylent greens for their advice on how to serve mann
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August 19, 2011 12:46pm
Scott Chris

RightNow

Pfft, everyone knows that the aliens are libertarian (apart from the few renegade anal probers). If we want to destroy the planet, we are free to do so without interference from the galactic federation.
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August 19, 2011 12:56pm
TimG_Oz

yet she fails to condemn Israel’s extrajudicial retaliatory execution of the Palestinian suspects.

OK, so When Israel arrests and put on trial Terrorist organisers, and fills the jails, then Hamas (and it’s sympathisers) say that these people are “innocent captives /kidnap victims” (unlike say, Gilad Shalit, who is an innocent kidnap victim)

If Israel targets “militants” in Gaza (usually synically embedded amongst innocent civilians), then it is also bad.

If Israel does nothing, the attacks continue

If Israel builds defences (i.e. a Wall), then it is bad for doing so.

Interesting logic.
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August 19, 2011 1:13pm
tom hunter

Aliens may destroy humanity to protect other civilisations, say scientists

Oh my god. I really did not think there could be any way to segue the following into a KB thread, even a GD one, but here’s the chance to reference this: Krugman calls for space aliens to fix U.S. economy.

It’s the ultimate Keynesian trip. Of course this does rather blow the whole Lefty narrative about the current US economic malaise being largely the result of “Bush’s Three Trillion dollar wars”. According to Krugman’s theory here the US should be rolling in economic growth now, especially since Barack The Magnificent started a third war.

On a more serious note (if that’s possible with Krugman), the Economic Nobel prize-winner apparently still does not get the idea that taking capital from productive enterprises in taxes, or borrowing against future private sector production via deficits, to fund the infamous Keynesian ditches, has opportunity costs. Specifically you’re screwing the opportunity to produce something other than money-filled trenches. Unless one is actually using them in a war those trenches have zero value.
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August 19, 2011 1:18pm
RightNow

“everyone knows that the aliens are libertarian” – except the Borg, Kang and Kodos, the Daleks, the Treens (Mekon), the Sith etc

Perhaps the Vulcans?
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August 19, 2011 1:30pm
RightNow

Perhaps the whole AGW thing is really part of an experiment by the mice…
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August 19, 2011 1:37pm
Lee01

Tim,

“Interesting logic.”

Thats because its not logic, as I think you have already guessed. Jew-hatred is deeply irrational, which is why you get these irrational double standards applied to Israel.

Tom,

“but here’s the chance to reference this: Krugman calls for space aliens to fix U.S. economy.”

Krugman is proof that the Nobel prize has long since become a joke. His advice to the Greeks on their financial crisis was to borrow and spend even more.

I don’t take a hard ideological approach to economics, but Krugman is surely the very worst example of left wing economic stupidity.
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August 19, 2011 1:39pm
Scott Chris

TimG_Oz

My post was primarily a rebuttal of your assertion that the stuff report was unbalanced.

However, my criticism of Hillary Clinton is based on the fact that she only pointed out the one incidence of terrorism, not both. The (presumed) Palestinian gunmen and Ehud Barak are all terrorists in my view. But the Israeli state is the bully in this conflict, and their bone-headed foreign policy has turned this stalemate into a running sore that has plagued the rest of the world for decades.

It’s time for the UN to place economic sanctions on the Israeli state to force them to seek peace.
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August 19, 2011 1:40pm
Scott Chris

Lee01

Where is the evidence of my Jew hatred? You seem to throw that accusation around like confetti which is both abusive and baseless.

Stick to the facts.
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August 19, 2011 1:44pm
Scott Chris

RightNow

I stand corrected.
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August 19, 2011 1:46pm
TimG_Oz

But the Israeli state is the bully in this conflict, and their bone-headed foreign policy

Love these statements without referrals. Which policies? Like the one of trying to make peace over and over. They *had* a lasting peace with Egypt …

has turned this stalemate into a running sore that has plagued the rest of the world for decades.

decades? What about the handshake? Camp David? Oh please

It’s time for the UN to place economic sanctions on the Israeli state to force them to seek peace.

As you know, Hamas and the PA have been refusing peace talks for the last few years. So who needs forcing?

Look at how the PA reacted when Palileaks showed they actually were about to offer concessions to have peace WITH Israel.

Or are you suggesting the line of peace WITHOUT Israel. Yes, I’m sure you could try forcing ANYBODY onto that….
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August 19, 2011 1:52pm
Scott Chris

TimG_Oz says:

“As you know, Hamas and the PA have been refusing peace talks for the last few years. So who needs forcing?”

If your oppressors were camped in your front yard and building their houses there, I suspect you would ask them to leave before you could agree to make peace with them.
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August 19, 2011 2:04pm
MyNameIsJack

How odd that the ME has only been in such turmoil since 1948.

Time to repatriate the Jews to their traditional homelands of Russia, Poland, Germany, Holland et al?
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August 19, 2011 2:06pm
dime

great to have you here jack.

newsflash – there are shit heads on both sides of the israeli/ arab conflicts
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August 19, 2011 2:29pm
RightNow

Scott Chris – perhaps the Kanamits would be able to solve many of our problems (including overpopulation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone)

the Kanamits share their advanced technology, quickly putting an end to many of Earth’s greatest woes, including hunger; energy becomes very cheap; nuclear weapons are rendered harmless. The aliens even morph deserts into big, blooming fields.
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August 19, 2011 2:32pm
Lance

Next MNIJ will try convince us the inhabitants of NZ were one big happy family until the evil white people arrived.

MNIJ is moving beyond trolling and into shit stirring prick territory.
I know it gets a guaranteed response but really you are a dick.
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August 19, 2011 2:33pm
RightNow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquests

1.1 Byzantine–Arab Wars: 634–750
1.2 Conquest of Persia and Iraq: 633–651
1.3 Conquest of Transoxiana: 662–709
1.4 Conquest of Sindh: 664–712
1.5 Conquest of Hispania (711–718) and Septimania (719–720)
1.6 Conquest of the Caucasus: 711–750
1.7 End of the Umayyad conquests: 718–750
1.8 Conquest of Nubia: 700–1606
1.9 Incursions into southern Italy: 831–902
1.10 Conquest of Anatolia: 1060–1360
1.11 Byzantine-Ottoman Wars: 1299–1453
1.12 Further conquests: 1200–1800

Of course, there was no turmoil in the middle east before 1948
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August 19, 2011 2:47pm
Lance

@RightNow
Not to mention the Ottoman genocide visited upon the Armenians.
Yes one big happy family

FWIW the popular song “Hava Hagila was composed in celebration of the oppressive Turks being booted out of Palestine by the British.
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August 19, 2011 3:19pm
Lance

Although I must say this is wrong on so many levels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOxVXQlZXqI&feature=related
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August 19, 2011 3:24pm
RightNow

Haha, that was so RIGHT for Friday afternoon (beer o’clock)
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August 19, 2011 3:28pm
RightNow

Thinking a bit more about the aliens, I missed out the worst threat of all if we don’t cut our CO2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffid
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August 19, 2011 4:07pm
plebe

Boring boring, same old recycled shit comments, MNIJ , this is a classic jackshit post, now weres the jackoff??
sameold………..
MyNameIsJack (2,147) Says:

August 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Some countries have laws prohibitting the incitement to or encouragement of terrorism. Seems Israel is not one of those countries.

Kill the babies.

Rape and/or kidnap your enemy’s women.

Yes, all this, and more, is in the torah. And Rabbi Yitzhak Shapira wants the IDF to be more godlike and to follow the torah to the letter.

According to the book, “Hurting small children makes sense if it’s clear that they’ll grow up to harm us, and in such a situation – the injury will be directed at them of all people.”

The “humanity” of orthodox Judaism.

First they came for the children …

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4090992,00.html
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August 19, 2011 4:35pm
Scott Chris

I had a thought….. I wonder if the comment poster Cha is in fact Cha rles Cha uvel? Apologies if I’m wrong. (clue 1986 sallies)
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August 19, 2011 4:59pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand forces involved in the clean up operation at the British Council compound in Kabul.
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August 19, 2011 6:04pm
reid

New Zealand forces involved in the clean up operation at the British Council compound in Kabul.

Don’t know what others think but I’ve always thought Key was unbelievably foolish and naive to change the no comment policy. Sooner or later bad guys are going to get some of them as a result of this never-ending publicity and they’ll either do it here or while they’re over there and if they do it here, they could take out some of their families.

And why?

So Key could be popular.

When it happens and it will, I hope Key reflects on that.

I hope the MSM reflect on their role too, for salivating so childishly over the lurid details, as they do.

But they won’t, I don’t think.

And for what?

How has it enhanced our security or our lives by knowing their operations? There was a reason PM after PM always kept it secret but maybe Key thinks he’s smarter than them and the entire military establishment.
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August 19, 2011 6:36pm
nasska

When the moon hits your eye, Like a big pizza pie,
That’s amoré.

When an eel bites your hand, And that’s not what you planned,
That’s a moray.

When your horse munches straw, And the bales total four,
That’s some more hay.

When a Japanese knight, Uses his sword in a fight,
That’s Samurai.

When your sheep go to graze, In a damp marshy place,
That’s a moor, eh?

When you ace your last tests, Like you did all the rest,
That’s some more “A”s!

When on Mt. Cook you see, A brown agro man,
That’s a Maori.
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August 19, 2011 7:00pm
Steve

A woman walked into the kitchen to find her husband
stalking around with a fly swatter.

“What are you doing?” She asked.

“Hunting Flies” He responded.

Oh. Killing any?” She asked.

“Yep, 3 males, 2 Females,” he replied.

Intrigued, she asked. “How can you tell?”

He responded, “3 were on a beer can, 2 were on the phone.”
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August 19, 2011 7:01pm
Steve

This Adam Guy wasn’t that bright I reckon.

God said, “Adam, I want you to do something for me.”

Adam said, “Gladly, Lord, what do You want me to do?”

God said, “Go down into that valley.”

Adam said, “What’s a valley?”

God explained it to him.

Then God said, “Cross the river.”

Adam said, “What’s a river?”

God explained that to him, and then said, “Go over to the hill…….”

Adam said, “What is a hill?”

So, God explained to Adam what a hill was.

He told Adam, “On the other side of the hill you will find a cave”

Adam said, “What’s a cave?”

After God explained, he said, “In the cave you will find a Woman.”

Adam said, “What’s a woman?”

So God explained that to him, too.

Then, God said, “I want you to reproduce.”

Adam said, “How do I do that?”

God first said (under his breath), “Geez…..”

And then, just like everything else, God explained that to Adam, as well.

So, Adam goes down into the valley, across the river,
and over the hill, into the cave, and finds the woman.

Then, in about five minutes, he was back.

God, his patience wearing thin, said angrily, “What is it now?”

And Adam said,

“What’s a headache”
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August 19, 2011 7:04pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

It had nothing to do with the Prime Minister wanting to be popular.
The fact was that the army are having trouble maintaining operational numbers in their elite units. Their rational was that some publicity may encourage recruitment. i.e The VC recepient was publicised for this reason.

I also believe that applicants will be trialed from civilian positians with no previous military background.

So at least obtain some of your information from outside of your head. The PM has only publicized what the Army has wanted him to.
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August 19, 2011 7:04pm
Steve

An 86-year-old man went to his doctor for his annual checkup. The
doctor asks him how he’s feeling and the 86-year-old says, “I’ve
never felt better. I now have a 20 year-old bride who is pregnant
with my child. What do you think about that?”

The doctor considers his question for a minute and then begins. “I
have an 85 year old friend, much like yourself, who is an avid
trophy hunter and never misses a season. One day, when he was going
out hunting, he was in a bit of a hurry and accidentally picked up
his walking cane instead of hisgun. When he got to the creek, he saw
a prime beaver sitting beside the stream of water. He raised his
cane and went ‘bang, bang’. Suddenly, two shots rang out and the
beaver fell over dead. What do you think of that?”

The 86-year-old said, “I’d say somebody else pumped the bullets into
that beaver.” The doctor replied . . “My point exactly.”
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August 19, 2011 7:09pm
mikenmild

The SAS has always had several roles, notably the ‘green’ conventional operations role and the ‘black’ role for covert operations, especially counter-terrorism.

The operations in Afghanistan are pretty conventional. No details are released of SAS training, etc for their black role, although I remember a media report some years ago about them abseiling down the lift wells at Parliament!

It’s a good thing to release details of their operations where that is compatible with genuine security concerns, but keeping things secret to maintain a mystique is a bit pointless. If anything, their reputation is enhanced by some publicity.
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August 19, 2011 7:14pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

Also it was Dear Leader was Prime Minister when the VC was awarded and the NZ Army went wholesale for publicity, nothing to do with Key.

Head out of arse please
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August 19, 2011 7:15pm
Pauleastbay

MM

Any chance of a remotely original thought or comment?, just a question
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August 19, 2011 7:16pm
wikiriwhis business

Saw Te Movie today

Some big revelations.

Cars were old but only other difference was no internet talk.

we haven’t come very far.

Billy T was the real prince.
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August 19, 2011 7:19pm
reid

Paul, if the army really has chosen to publicise the SAS for a recruitment drive, then they are far far more foolish than I had ever thought and I frankly fear for my country’s security.

Only a moron can’t see the extraordinarily good reasons why their operations had never hitherto been publicised.

This actually still makes me give Key a cross not a tick for even had the military come to him as PM and made this request, he should have had the foresight to turn it down flat and tell those people whose professional lives are based on being more resourceful than the people who are trying very hard to kill you, to find another way.

I’m not saying you’re wrong Paul, I know you must have sources I have never had the privilege with, but that’s my thinking and I do find it incredible that the very people who operated that long-standing policy would have willingly done that. I mean, am I wrong? This publicity does it not, exposes SAS people to hatred and revenge that lasts the full lifetime. Even when they’ve retired.

They’re not identified is not the point. The people they go up against are the worst of the worst consequently extremely well resourced, totally ruthless, implacable and will never give up because revenge is their mentality.

WTF does it do to the security of the active troops if their enemies all now know their precise involvement in today’s incident but more particularly last month’s globally publicised one? Does anyone seriously think their enemies did not take note and are not right now bubbling away with various plans for revenge?

On the plus side, there is…

(a) Recruitment (which could have been boosted through other means with a modicum of lateral thinking: e.g. give John Ansell the account), and
(b) the pubwic has a wight to know (stamp).

I’m afraid for me Paul, neither of those stacks up against the counters.
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August 19, 2011 7:20pm
starboard

“A teenager has admitted trying to murder his partner after splitting her skull with an axe, leaving her brain exposed.
Jerome Rahiri Folimatama, 18, admitted a charge of attempted murder when he appeared in Dunedin District Court yesterday”

Fuckin natives playin up again…18 years old for christs sake…one bullet in the back of the swede for you my boy.
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August 19, 2011 7:21pm
Pauleastbay

Time for a lie down Reid, take the weight off.

Nothing too exotic about my information source Reid it was on the TV and newspapers about the time of the VC was awarded.
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August 19, 2011 7:22pm
Steve

Wait for it, wait for it,

“there are many reasons 18 year olds use axes”

Cue the usual soft cocks
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August 19, 2011 7:26pm
Pauleastbay

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/9999724/defence-force-changing-sas-recruitment/
As above Reid
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August 19, 2011 7:29pm
reid

P.S. Apiata’s V.C. has nothing to do with it. The particular action was described. Nothing else.

It wasn’t Hulun’s decision to award it, correct me if I’m wrong but some UK panel awards it.

I don’t buy that was the start of a long-term campaign.

Paul I think this is a conspiracy theory you’re promulgating here.
.
🙂

As above Reid

Yes I heard the head of Army Recruitment use that on Morning Report Monday I think Paul.

Just because they’re capitalising on it, doesn’t mean they initiated it.
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August 19, 2011 7:29pm
Scott Chris

Nasska 7pm

Very good.
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August 19, 2011 7:30pm
nasska

Two social workers were walking through a rough part of the city in the evening. They heard moans and muted cries for help from a back alley. Upon investigation, they found a semi-conscious man in a pool of blood.
“Help me, I’ve been mugged and viciously beaten.” he pleaded.
The two social workers turned and walked away.
One remarked to her colleague, “You know the person that did that really needs help.”
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August 19, 2011 7:31pm
cha

ROMANCE NOVEL [2011 VERSION]

He grasped me firmly, but gently, just above my elbow and guided me into a room, his room. Then he quietly shut the door and we were alone. He approached me soundlessly, from behind, and spoke in a low, reassuring voice close to my ear. “Just relax”. Without warning, he reached down and I felt his strong, calloused hands start at my ankles, gently probing, and moving upward along my calves, slowly but steadily. My breath caught in my throat.

I knew I should be afraid, but somehow I didn’t care. His touch was so experienced, so sure. When his hands moved up onto my thighs, I gave a slight shudder, and partly closed my eyes. My pulse was pounding. I felt his knowing fingers caress my abdomen, my ribcage.

And then, as he cupped my firm, full breasts in his hands, I inhaled sharply. Probing, searching, knowing what he wanted, he brought his hands to my shoulders, slid them down my tingling spine and into my panties. Although I knew nothing about this man, I felt oddly trusting and expectant. This is a man, I thought…a man used to taking charge. A man not used to taking ‘No’ for an answer. A man who would tell me what he wanted. A man who would look into my soul and say… “Okay ma’am, you can board your flight now.
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August 19, 2011 7:38pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

The VC awarded is the NZVC- decisions are made in New Zealand nothing to do with the poms since 1999, so be corrected on that one please.

So, reading you Reid, te Prime Minister is telling the Army how to recruit for their squadrons and go out into the market place, so he can be popular (more) now if it was Phil needing a leg up………………, but you are just being silly
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August 19, 2011 7:38pm
nasska

cha

Love it!
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August 19, 2011 7:40pm
reid

Paul you’re absolutely right, it probably was both of them.

Which means both have let the side down.

Seriously.

Thanks for the wisdom.
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August 19, 2011 7:50pm
Steve

It’s good cha and nasska.
This 7pm thing is becoming a must read
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