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Scott Chris

Tom

As you’ve read Banks, you can see the source of my folly.
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August 10, 2011 5:29pm
LabourDoesntWork

Re: socialism

Ok let’s not call it socialism; let’s call it corrosive parasitivism.

http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/there-are-no-socialists/?singlepage=true

I highly recommend Vox Day’s comment on this..
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/06/socialist-end-game.html
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August 10, 2011 5:30pm
krazykiwi

the prospective entrepreneur would have their business plan and competence accurately assessed

… by someone more or less risk averse than themselves? Who could tell? And if they got it ‘wrong’, would I be using an iPad now?
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August 10, 2011 5:35pm
Griff

wot the hell is going on I have yet to see one good slanging match today have we all gone totally mad were is the personal abuse were is the hate why why why
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August 10, 2011 5:44pm
Scott Chris

kk

I’d imagine that the assessment wouldn’t be infallible on a micro-economic scale but would be accurate, and contain all the relevant macro-economic data and a list of choices and conditions which would be rated by their statistical probability of success.

The consequences of this assistance would be measured and evaluated, and abandoned if proven ineffective. Everything would be subjected to rigorous scientific method.
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August 10, 2011 5:47pm
krazykiwi

Carbon crims have made their loot from the gullible, eco-guilty and now we learn that the ICE to Close Chicago Climate Futures Exchange

CHICAGO—IntercontinentalExchange Inc. told traders Friday that it would shut down its U.S. emissions derivatives platform, a year after acquiring its parent only to suffer sparse trading as the prospects of a federal carbon-reduction plan remain dim.

The money-losing Chicago Climate Futures Exchange venture will continue operating through the first quarter of 2012 before closing, exchange officials said in a notice.
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August 10, 2011 5:50pm
krazykiwi

Scott – I don’t believe the success of innovation can be predicted by scientific method, rigourous or otherwise.
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August 10, 2011 5:52pm
Griff

Innovation is outside of science by definition true innovation is an un quantified effect.
Could we realize the webs effects face book blogs trade me etc etc no we could not begin to envisage the changers hooking a few computers together would have in such a short space of time changes that we still dont understand
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August 10, 2011 5:58pm
Scott Chris

kk

They’re working on it – The co-efficient of innovation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_diffusion_model
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August 10, 2011 5:59pm
krazykiwi

Whatever ‘they’ discover will immediately cease to be important, and something else will replace it as the mysterious, the unchartered, the urgent. This is the innovative journey that has you and I conversing as we are, while still marveling at the ‘unfathomableness’ of outer space.
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August 10, 2011 6:05pm
nasska

Scott Chris

About a hundred & eighty years ago Stephenson developed “The Rocket” & set in place the transport system that would allow Britain to become the first industrialised nation. At this time no man had traveled faster than the speed of a galloping horse. Imagine if he had to run his ideas past a committee of bureaucrats who probably owned horse stables & were guided by the macro economic knowledge of the day.

Given these restrictions do you think that railways would have ever been built?
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August 10, 2011 6:09pm
krazykiwi

Henry Ford: “If I’d asked customers what they wanted they would have said faster horses”
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August 10, 2011 6:11pm
nasska

krazykiwi

I reckon the inventor/engineer I have the greatest respect for would be Isambard Kingdom Brunel. What this man accomplished in one too short life was amazing.

Given that he had a gift for pushing the tyrants & pen pushers of his day to the limit I wonder how he would have fared against the super bureaucracy we now have to contend with.
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August 10, 2011 6:24pm
Scott Chris

To me, saying that the free market model can’t be improved upon, is akin to the prevalent attitude in the late nineteenth century that presumed that there wasn’t any more science left to be discovered.

I concede though, that the prospect of a bureaucratic benevolent big brother ordering our lives does have a nightmarish quality to it. Might already be happening…..

Reminds me of Douglas Adams idea for God’s last words to his creation:

“We Apologize For The Inconvenience”
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August 10, 2011 6:30pm
Griff

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August 10, 2011 6:32pm
krazykiwi

Ah yes, the Clifton Suspension Bridge. Have been there. Amazing structure. There must have been ancient versions of Brunei involved in pyramids, the Pantheon, etc
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August 10, 2011 6:32pm
Viking2

Tip for right-wing political marketers everywhere:

Our philosophy of freedom and free markets is, above all, the philosophy of optimism. So: own it. Move voters 5% to the right by embracing optimism and optimists as the antidote to socialism and pessimists.

(Note to Nats: optimism does not mean managing socialism with a smile. 🙂 )

Great read.
http://johnansell.wordpress.com/2011/08/10/to-socialist-pessimists-from-capitalist-optimists-cheer-up/
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August 10, 2011 6:45pm
nasska

A blonde woman was in deep financial trouble, so decided to kidnap a child and demand a ransom.
She went to a local park, grabbed a little boy, took him behind a tree and wrote this note: “I’ve kidnapped your child. Leave $25,000 in a plain brown bag behind the oak tree in the park by 7:00 am tomorrow.”
The note was signed: The Blonde.
She pinned the note inside the little lad’s jacket and told him to go straight home.
The next morning, the blonde returned to the park to find $25,000 in a brown bag, just as she’d instructed.
Inside the bag was the following note: “Here’s your money. I can’t believe one blonde would do this to another!”
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August 10, 2011 7:00pm
starboard

adidas you arrogant tossers..take your shitty shirt and fuck off..you get no buy in from me.
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August 10, 2011 7:04pm
mikenmild

starboard’s getting with the No Logo brigade
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August 10, 2011 7:07pm
Griff

ah at last the hate the personal abuse I thought for a while I was on a left wing blog all love dovey no swearing consensus and all that
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August 10, 2011 7:12pm
Pauleastbay

KevinH (363) Says:
August 10th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
….The singular cause for the riots is, the cost of living in the UK and throughout Europe. London as most are aware is an extremely expensive place to live, in some cases the

Totally disagree Kevin, the singular cause is opportunity to have a go. Some one getting shot is an excuse to behave like arseholes. I’m presuming the dorks are destroying their own neighbourhoods like the Watts and Brixton riots. If it was socailly motivated why all the stealing, just wankers.

I also presume someone will have already commented that if it was a mob of Northern Irish Catholics there would already be bodies laying on the streets.

The Rugby Jersey——–Don’t fucking buy one. John Key stay out of it, its a business doing business with whining bastards bleating on the side lines. Without the big corporate sponsors there would be no RWC in New Zealand, its thats simple.
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August 10, 2011 7:15pm
starboard

I bet if you had some money milky you would love to buy a shiity adidas shirt..yes I can see you now dressed up holding a flag waving from the stands..” Richie I love you..I want your babies “…poof..
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August 10, 2011 7:24pm
Rodders

@starboard – if you haven’t already seen it, there is a logo which you may prefer
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10743851
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August 10, 2011 7:27pm
starboard

G’nite Rodders..dont spoon milky too hard..
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August 10, 2011 7:30pm
nasska

Bunny and Bob, two frequent users of a chat room, discovered that they had a lot in common. Eventually, they abandoned the chat room for a more intimate correspondence.
After months of virtual kinky-ness, the two decided to meet each other face-to-face at a small cafe. Bunny arrived a little late.
One customer, a short, frail man with an eye patch, sat at the back of the cafe. “Are you Bob?” asked Bunny. “Yes I am,” said Bob.
“Unbelievable!” Bunny exclaimed. “You told me that you were tall, dark and handsome.”
“How do you think I feel?” Bob asked, his face turning red. “You told me that you were skinny, blonde, and female.”
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August 10, 2011 7:30pm
Elaycee

@starboard…. 😛
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August 10, 2011 7:31pm
Steve

Griif, go fuck yourself.
How’s that?

Oh I’m sorry mate, did I hurt your feelings?
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August 10, 2011 7:32pm
Griff

Yes im going to cwy
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August 10, 2011 7:51pm
DeeDee

Oh crap just came on and read that!
Lax guys chill out,
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August 10, 2011 7:52pm
Griff

@steve
Is obviously under the impression that I am serious and has taken my comment personally its a joke Steve its all so a reference to the left leaning censorship apparent on other blogs as to masturbation 99% of men do it and some thing like 70% of woman judging by your comment you are very abnormal
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August 10, 2011 7:59pm
nasska

The Ideal Wife should be beautiful, but not so beautiful that people think you married her only for her beauty.
And The Ideal Wife should be wealthy, but not so wealthy that people think you married her only for her money.
And The Ideal Wife should be gentle, but not so gentle that she can’t suck a tennis ball through a fifty-foot garden hose.
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August 10, 2011 8:00pm
Griff

How can you tell if a redhead has been using your computer?
By the hammer embedded in the monitor.

How do you know a redhead likes you? She has your girlfriend thrown in jail and camps out in your yard.

How do you start an argument with a redhead?
Say something.

What’s a redhead’s idea of the shortest way to a man’s heart?
Through the breastbone.

The difference betweena blonde and a redhead:
A blonde is a redhead with all the fire fucked out of her.

What’s the difference between a terrorist and a redhead?
… you can negotiate with a terrorist.

and last of all Seen inscribed on a tombstone: “Below this ground lies the bloke, who told that last bad redhead joke.”
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August 10, 2011 8:21pm
nasska

Griff

Very good….having lived with a redhead for nearly thirty years I’d go along with most of them.
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August 10, 2011 8:27pm
Griff

Went out with one still got the scares best sex I ever had just decided my life was more valuable than that
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August 10, 2011 8:30pm
DeeDee

Just read Sue Bradford standing for Mana in Waitakere.
She may get some support, but I dont think it will influence the outcome for Miz Bennett.
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August 10, 2011 9:41pm
Griff

I guess shes good for about 1% at best were are minto and Sykes going
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August 10, 2011 9:46pm
Rodders

Did you see that gem in the SST “Veteran activist and unionist John Minto pledged his support to the Mana Party yesterday, after a lifetime of political neutrality.”
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/4947141/Harawira-set-to-force-by-election

Minto, politically neutral – even a schoolchild couldn’t have dreamed up a howler like that!
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August 10, 2011 9:50pm
DeeDee

Not sure, but Minto in the running for co leader
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August 10, 2011 9:50pm
Griff

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10744246
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August 10, 2011 9:54pm
Griff

MANA will also be pushing a national campaign to encourage people to give their party vote to MANA because MANA will be the only party with specific policies aimed at reducing prices, creating jobs, sharing the tax burden and keeping our nations assets in the peoples hands.
sharing the tax burden gee how the middle class pay tax the poor dont
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August 10, 2011 9:58pm
Viking2

I can’t decide who is worst.

Pita Sharples or Sue Bradford.
Both are the pits.
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August 10, 2011 10:31pm
Rodders

Viking2 – you should retire for the night, otherwise you might arrive at work in the morning in a bad mood.
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August 10, 2011 10:36pm
Griff

His last post before leaving earlier seemed a bit stressed even for him
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August 10, 2011 10:47pm
Rodders

Perhaps he needs a sabbatical.
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August 10, 2011 10:50pm
adze

I haven’t seen any job creation strategy from Mana besides increased govt spending on things like teachers aides in Te Tai Tokerau.
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August 11, 2011 6:21am
Viking2

Rodders (1,212) Says:
August 10th, 2011 at 10:50 pm

Perhaps he needs a sabbatical.

That would be nice, but oh dear I don’t turn up at a Govt. job each day, getting paid to be boring and filling in the day being bored, whilst cluttering up Kiwiblog with inane socialist rubbish.

If you want Sharples or Bradford to run your lives you are two very sad buggers.

Obviously the Public Service including the Parliamentary part still need a bloody good clean out of useful idiots.
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August 11, 2011 7:05am
Viking2

Not often one see’s a politician with his nose bag on but here is a real life picture of one.

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1312959828/550/5424550.jpg
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August 11, 2011 7:07am
Rodders

Morning Viking2. Other than a one-off summer holiday job while studying (many years ago), I have never worked for the public service. You must have me confused with someone else. I’m a National supporter. In your opinion that would make me a member of the PYM.
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August 11, 2011 7:08am
Viking2

Important task for MM and Griff and Rodders for the next week or so.
Use your Parliamentary computer access to download lots of music.
and stop wasting time here just get it done.
Then some of these useless pollies will learn about unintended consequences at their cost instead of the publics.
Losing their INTERNET for a year would be fun.

Govt ‘could fall victim’ to Skynet law
ANDREA VANCE
Last updated 17:15 10/08/2011

Questions are being asked about whether Parliament is at risk of having its INTERNET connection cut off when the new Skynet law comes into force.

The Copyright (Infringing File Sharing) Amendment Act comes into force from September 1. But, from tomorrow, breaches started counting towards the three strikes regime – although infringement notices could not be issued until next month.

You clowns can report to us all each evening how many looney tunes you managed to download.
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August 11, 2011 7:12am
Viking2

Seems Treasury doesn’t think we should require the Govt. to restrain spending.

Its full of socialists so why are we surprised?

Treasury did not support imposing constraints on the ability of the Government to set fiscal strategy via hard parameters in law.

It preferred to enhance transparency under the Public Finance Act 1989 such as requiring the Government to state its longterm expenses in numerical terms.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10744257
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August 11, 2011 7:16am
Rodders

Last time I visited parliament, the debating chamber was in Bowen House. btw V2 – no one has come “to take me away” yet.
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August 11, 2011 7:17am
mikenmild

A Canterbury University academic warns that NZ could see unrest similar to that afflicting the UK:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5426057/Unrest-inevitable-NZ-just-as-bad-academic
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August 11, 2011 7:41am
starboard

Who was on top last night…Rod or Mike ?
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August 11, 2011 8:04am
Griff

For you whisky drinkers oban single malt 140 year old $80 see granny herald back page 1st section
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August 11, 2011 8:08am
Viking2

Rodders (1,214) Says:
August 11th, 2011 at 7:17 am

Last time I visited parliament, the debating chamber was in Bowen House. btw V2 – no one has come “to take me away” yet.

ah, so which rest home for the aged labour are you in now then?
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August 11, 2011 8:10am
Rodders

mornin’ starboard. Plenty of salt sprinkled on your weet-bix?

V2 – I understood you live in NZ’s retirement capital? I’ll note you as in the Winston camp.
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August 11, 2011 8:11am
Pete George

A Canterbury University academic warns that NZ could see unrest similar to that afflicting the UK:

Of course we could see it here, there’s a thin line between order and anarchy. Thugs will jump at any excuse to trash society.

Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to talk up the idea.
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August 11, 2011 8:33am
Brian Harmer

http://www.hayibo.com/africa-to-send-troops-food-parcels-to-uk-as-riots-spread/
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