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July 9, 2011 3:32am by David Farrar

General Debate 9 July 2011

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nasska

A hopeful bachelor girl dropped into a computer-dating centre and registered
her qualifications. She wanted someone who enjoyed water sports, liked
company, favoured formal attire and was very small.

The computer operated faultlessly. It sent her a penguin.

………I’ll get my hat & coat.
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July 9, 2011 6:57pm
tom hunter

wat

Thanks for all that. Have seen it all before but got tired of re-producing it for Luc so I’m glad someone else had the time and energy to do so. It’s the umpteenth time he’s put this crap up here and, I’m sorry to tell you, he’ll do it again just like he does every few months with his Iraqi sanctions killed 750,000 people soundbite. Then he’ll run away for a while.

Still I had to laugh at his description of building a proxy data series as “an outstanding scientific feat”: that’s a keeper.

But it was less something pulled out of his bum than a typical, tired old propaganda ploy. When arguing from authority one must continually boost the prestige of the authority. Luc made that ridiculously over-the-top claim to that purpose, not realising how stupid it sounded to anybody who’d ever actually had to put together such proxy data series.

Creating a new method of proxy measurement is a step up from assembling a data series and can net one a Phd. But compiling the data series itself from existing data – that is painful, exacting, boring and vital. But it’s not “outstanding science”. What a fool.
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July 9, 2011 7:05pm
Steve

1. Maths questions:
1960
A logger cuts and sells a truckload of lumber for $100. His cost of production is four-fifths of that amount. What is his profit?
1970 New-math
A logger exchanges a set (L) of lumber for a set (M) of money. The cardinality of Set M is 100. The set C of production costs contains 20 fewer points. What is the cardinality of Set P of profits?
1990
A logger cuts and sells a truckload of lumber for $100. Her cost is $80, her profit is $20. Find and circle the number 20.
2010
An unenlightened logger cuts down a beautiful stand of 100 trees in order to make a $20 profit. Write an essay explaining how you feel about this as a way to make money. Topic for discussion: How did the forest birds and squirrels feel?
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July 9, 2011 7:10pm
Steve

Yes it is old ….

School 1960 vs. School 2007
Scenario: Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.
1960 – Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up mates.
2007 – Police are called, SWAT team arrives and arrests Johnny and Mark. Mobiles with video of fight confiscated as evidence. They are charged with assault, AVOs are taken out and both are suspended even though Johnny started it. Diversionary conferences and parent meetings conducted. Video shown on 6 internet sites.
Scenario: Jeffrey won’t sit still in class, disrupts other students.
1960 – Jeffrey is sent to the principal’s office and given a good paddling. Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 – Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. Counselled to death. Becomes a zombie. Tested for ADD. School gets extra funding because Jeffrey has a disability. Drops out of school.
Scenario: Billy breaks a window in his neighbor’s car and his Dad gives him a whack with his belt.
1960 – Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 – Billy’s dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. Psychologist tells Billy’s sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.. Billy’s mum has an affair with the psychologist. Psychologist gets a promotion.
Scenario: Mark, a college student, brings cigarettes to school .
1960 – Mark shares a smoke with the school principal out on the smoking area.
2007 – Police are called and Mark is expelled from School for drug possession. His car is searched for drugs and weapons.
Scenario: Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers, puts them in a model plane paint bottle and blows up an anthill.
1960 – Ants die.
2007 – Security and ASIO are called and Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. Teams investigate parents, siblings are removed from the home, computers are confiscated, and Johnny’s dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.
Scenario: Johnny falls during recess and scrapes his knee. His teacher, Mary, finds him crying, and gives him a hug to comfort him.
1960 – Johnny soon feels better and goes back to playing.
2007 – Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces three years in prison. Johnny undergoes five years of therapy.
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July 9, 2011 7:14pm
Steve

Th th th that’s all folks
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July 9, 2011 7:15pm
nasska

10% of the women had sex within the first hour of their
first date
20% of the men had sex in a non-traditional place
36% of the women favor nudity
45% of the women prefer dark men with blue eyes
46% of the women experienced anal sex
70% of the women prefer sex in the morning
80% of the men have never experienced homosexual
relations
90% of the women would like to have sex in the forest
99% of the women have never experienced sex in the
office.

Conclusion:
Statistically speaking, you have a better chance of having
anal sex in the morning with a strange woman in the forest
than to have sex in the office at the end of the day.

Moral:
Do not stay late in the office. Nothing good will ever come
of it!
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July 9, 2011 7:37pm
Falafulu Fisi

Malo e lelei e tangata ko Tevita Kaleti (David Garret). I think you’re wasting your time debating with MyNameIsJack, because he just like to make up things as he sees fit. One of his post here on Kiwiblog in the past, he blamed capitalism and Milton Friedman’s economics for the economic/financial crises and I disputed his assertion saying that the main cause is government interference in the market place and I have all the researches to back it up, but he simply went quite when I challenged him. WHY? Because he had none to show that his assertion has any truth to it. Another idiot named Bradbury Bomber, who brought up Milton Friedman’s economics for the economic troubles. I guess that they simply read the misinformed online opinions of some uninformed commentators and concluded that it’s the truth. But they’re wrong. Miles off target.
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July 9, 2011 7:51pm
Inventory2

@ David Garrett; if you want to shut My Name Is Jack up, you just have to ask him how the Alliance is doing these days. He runs a mile…
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July 9, 2011 8:19pm
axeman

wat. nice. 🙂

As Wishart once remarked on KB after giving your Mr Hansen a right reaming, “What Luc Hansen knows about climate change could be written on the back of a postage stamp with space to spare. Sigh”

What to do next Luc? Maybe feverishly check up with that ridiculous alarmist and ultimate echo chamber blog written by a truffle grower and a retired (“I am not a scientist but…”) school teacher.

Then return with another specious comment like ‘If you are all wrong, will you apologise to my grandchildren?’
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July 9, 2011 8:21pm
Luc Hansen

For Tom:

Lost what?

Every government in the world, well, I don’t know about South Sudan yet but those poor buggers have already been to war over climate change, every national and international science academy, and every climate scientist worthy of the description understand well the catastrophe that is approaching.

The problem is attaining the tipping point of political will to act in the developed nations, who caused the problem in the first place. But that is a work in progress.

Our current PM is an example of how deniers who attain high positions come face to face with reality. They no longer have the luxury of feigned ignorance afforded by the opposition benches. The problem in our democratic system is that you must be able to take the people with you, and no-one of true courage has yet grasped that nettle. The EU is doing more than most, but genuine leadership is lacking.

That will change. The only question is whether it will be in time.

For wat

Misconduct does not imply poor science. Take the UEA and the Hadley Centre out of the equation and the answer is still AGW.

I’m amazed that you guys think that the US Department of Commerce, funded by the very businesses that set out to deceive us, is in any way complicit in some giant conspiracy of climate alarmists or whatever you want to call it.

Tom again

I’m afraid that just saying so, like you keep doing, doesn’t make it real. I prefer Tariq Ali’s figures to yours.

All warmongers here should go visit http://costsofwar.org/ and see not only the fiscal horrors of war, but also the social consequences. And a careful survey that shows the terrorists actually win more often than the military. Scary stuff, huh?

Maybe you should join Paul in his bunker hiding from women in veils.

wat again

When Anthony Watts gets his Nobel Proze for disproving AGW, then I might pay him (and you) some attention.

I still have not received an answer to my simple question:

What don’t you like about a cleaner, quieter, healthier world for you and your kids and their kids too?
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July 9, 2011 8:40pm
Luc Hansen

axeman

Excuse me, I caught Wishart with his pants down lying to Sainsbury, who was too stupid to realise that a creationist cannot possibly say he “usually believes the science.”

Also, he used Climategate as a reason for his scepticism, yet he published Air Con well before Climategate!

Like Wishart, I am not a climate scientist.

Unlike Wishart, I respect them.
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July 9, 2011 8:44pm
Falafulu Fisi

Anyway, I’m off with some mates to a bar in town somewhere to watch the super 15 final. Where are you watching it Big Bruv? It doesn’t matter to me who wins tonight, because the Auck Blues is not there, so I’ll go along with whoever wins. The World Cup is the main target.
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July 9, 2011 8:49pm
Falafulu Fisi

Hey Luc, perhaps you want to do some funk dance tonight and chill out. Stop being too religious about global warming. We’ll survive if it is indeed happening. How about you do some rocket to you. I’m off to town to get laid, Luc.
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July 9, 2011 8:56pm
side show bob

I know where Luc can stick his hockey stick, sideways.
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July 9, 2011 9:31pm
wat dabney

Luc,

Really, I’d like to know why you come here and lie.

And not just lie, but lie about stuff that can be simply exposed for all to see in about 5 seconds flat.

I honestly don’t see the point, but if you choose to provide the opportunity for the global warming scam to be repeatedly re-examined and exposed then I’m fine with that; there may be other people reading this blog who haven’t taken an interest in the subject and have assumed that the alarmism is justified.

I think I will keep a little text file with paragraphs exposing the various lies you reproduce here, then I can simply post them here as required, like a rubber stamp.
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July 9, 2011 10:12pm
wat dabney

Since I have been linking copiously to the wonderful Watts Up site, here is their latest.

The Met Office – the corrupted, worthless and incompetent cheerleader for global warming – is now admitting that the sceptics might be right and that a drop in solar activity will result in colder weather over the coming decades:

“We now believe that [the solar cycle] accounts for 50 per cent of the variability from year to year,” says Scaife. With solar physicists predicting a long-term reduction in the intensity of the solar cycle – and possibly its complete disappearance for a few decades, as happened during the so-called Maunder Minimum from 1645 to 1715 – this could be an ominous signal for icy winters ahead, despite global warming.”

This completely contradicts everything they have said up till now.
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July 9, 2011 10:23pm
Luc Hansen

Ahh, SSB, I forgot about you, so sorry.

Replying to this: side show bob (3,294) Says:
July 9th, 2011 at 9:20 am

Firstly, I’m not sure why you see this as a victory for Israel. It’s the opposite. The flotilla participants understood that they were not going to actually land in Gaza – that was not the point. And the “flytilla” is also successful because the aim, for both, is to draw world attention to the unconsciousable lengths Israel will go to in order to continue its oppression of Palestinians, the rightful owners and inhabitants of the land.

Greek and other European who cooperate with Israel in this do not have the support of their voters, but it is only a side issue in these countries, of course.

All of which reminds me, I must get hold of McCully and make sure we are voting for Palestinian statehood in September!

Although this issue divides Palestinians as well.

Now then, rather than vitriol, please tell me your view on what a final settlement to the conflict should be and your view of why this has not been achieved to date.
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July 9, 2011 10:47pm
Luc Hansen

wat (just above)

You obviously still don’t get the diff between weather and climate.

Year to year variability has no relation to climatology, which examines long term, as in 30 odd years, trends.

The underlying global temperature is still between 0.15 and 0.20 degrees C per decade, just as James Hansen predicted in 1988.

And no-one has come up with an accepted alternative explanation for this rise in temperature.

Clue: it’s not the sun.

If that’s your best shot, you need to crawl back under your rock.
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July 9, 2011 11:05pm
Nookin

I guess Nisbett said it .. just a bridge too far. I dont give a fuck what bruv thinks, NZ should be as proud as hell of the crusaders. I am.
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July 9, 2011 11:25pm
fatboy slim

big bruv don’t think, he just ejaculates all over kiwiblog. The twisted mongrel needs a good rucking. His opinion is just pathological unhealthy hatred.Who cares what the jerk thinks. FFS anybody would think this misfit should be taken seriously.
All credit to the crusaders.
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July 9, 2011 11:35pm
gravedodger

Congratulations to the inaugural super rugby champions The Queensland Reds, what a week for the Sunshine State, a first super rugby title to add to the State of O title locked away on Wednesday.

The NSW rugby power brokers will be just as devastated as their league Brothers who fell to another loss on Wednesday night, for letting Ewen Mckenzie go north.

Come on Home to the Crusaders and play catch up with the devastation that many have endured including many of your own.
Since it was Maori Language Week Kia Kaha
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July 9, 2011 11:59pm
Luc Hansen

fatboy

so you vote Greens?
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July 10, 2011 12:07am
starboard

“The marketing guru behind the Iwi/Kiwi billboards and the new Act Party adverts has attacked “white cowards” for not standing up against the “Maorification” of the country.
Act Party creative director John Ansell said Maori were taking advantage of New Zealand’s fear of appearing racist and he wanted the Act Party to speak out.
He said: “These guys (Maori) have gone from the stone age to the space age in 150 years and haven’t said thanks. That’s the nature of the thing. In Maori world, if one tribe conquers another you eat the guys eyeballs. The Brits were pretty civilised by that standard.”

Well said that man…so , so true.
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July 10, 2011 9:01am
RightNow

Luc, it partly is the sun
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