General Debate 3 July 2011

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starboard

I’ll take the win…
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July 3, 2011 12:07am
Manolo

Comrade MacacacacaCarten dishes out his weekly dose of tripe: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10735951
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July 3, 2011 6:31am
starboard

“Douglas reminds me of one of those unrepentant politicians who hangs around long past their use-by date justifying their crimes to anyone who will listen.
In my view, he almost deserves jail for the damage he and his conspirators did to New Zealand.”

..good one ma-ma-ma-matt..klark and cullen are the ones who did irreversible damage to NZ , they should be tried for treason and hung.
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July 3, 2011 7:03am
hj

From George Mombiot on the conundrums of urbanisation:
“An ethnographer I know who worked among peasant communities in the Amazon found that many of the people he met were obsessed by the idea of moving to the cities. In view of the hellish nature of many Brazilian favelas – especially in the booming Amazonian towns – he wanted to know why. “You have a wonderful life here: the rivers are teeming with fish, your gardens are crammed with food, you work an hour or two a day to meet your needs. You can’t read or write: if you move to the city, you’ll have to beg or steal or sell your body to survive,” he pointed out. “What you say is probably true,” they answered, “but in the city you can dream.””

“The environmental consequences depend on where you are. In the rich nations, urban living tends to have smaller impacts than rural living. Public transport requires a certain population density to be economically viable: otherwise people are forced to use their cars. The more widely distributed people are, the greater the resources required to provide their services. Most of the houses which, being off the gas grid, still use coal or heating oil in the UK are in the countryside.

But in poorer countries, where most rural people consume and travel very little, the relationship is often reversed. Only when they move to towns and cities do the poor come to rely on fossil fuels and join the consumer economy, albeit often at a very low level.

In countries such as Australia, the US, Canada, Spain and Italy, weak planning has ensured that the distinction between town and countryside is blurred. Here you can find the worst of both worlds: a wildly unsustainable, disaggregated urban nightmare, in which infrastructure is stretched across sprawling suburbs, people have no choice but to drive, and anonymous dormitory estates seem perfectly designed to generate alienation and anomie. ”

Sydney is not as bad in this respect as Brisbane, Perth and Adelaide, whose sprawl and low urban densities beggar belief, but the problems it now faces are the result of catastrophic planning failures. Without policies to keep cities compact and urban densities high, they will begin to fail all over the world: logistically, socially and economically. Remember that, whenever anyone argues that we should weaken the planning laws to stimulate the economy.

http://www.monbiot.com
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July 3, 2011 7:39am
Pete George

Are we wasting the energy of our anger on Macsyna King and on Ian Wishart? What to do Macsyna King?
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July 3, 2011 8:44am
starboard

..what an aggressive little indian on Q+A..
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July 3, 2011 9:14am
Inventory2

Agreed Manolo; just blogged about McCarten and his diatribe. He really is one bitter and twisted bloke.
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July 3, 2011 9:21am
jcuk

I thought the problem with the Douglas era was that somebody stopped for a ‘cuppa tea’ [ A hazard of going on an overseas trip 🙂 ] … so we will never know what the effect of a complete implematation of Sir Roger’s ideas would have been. On the other hand it might have been better had the ideas been introduced in a more gradual way with more consideration for those who suffered from them. On another hand many who may think they suffered were given an incentive to better themselves and did once freed from the dependancy of a ‘safe state’ job or state handouts. McCarten usually talks sense but in this he is showing an oddball streak. But then good sense doesn’t get you headlines and his new politcal party likes them, needs them, to survive?
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July 3, 2011 9:43am
CHFR

I have to wonder in whose universe people who overe eat are news worthy http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10735965.

Have this couple not heard that their eating habits would put on weight. I love piets, sausage rolls etc and am very partial to th odd latte but FFS I haven’t put on their amount of weight in 4 years. Seriously when did stupidity become criteria in a news paper article??
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July 3, 2011 9:45am
Manolo

This hopeless Labour comrade blunders (again): http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=199716
She shares mikeandmild’s position. Is that a coincidence?
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July 3, 2011 9:47am
Pauleastbay

McCarten usually talks sense but in this he is showing an oddball streak

Sorry,what was that?

Douglas could have had us on a flat 20% tax adn it worked, but Lange bottled out. I might even have voted labour at some stage.

Read, “Working with David” by Michael Bassett
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July 3, 2011 9:49am
gravedodger

@ starboard, 7 03, I have commented before but it is worth repeating as the denigration of what Roger Douglas was forced to do is in my opinion grossly unfair.

As one who, engaged in primary production under the distorting, counter productive and extremely inefficient policies of many Politicians the last of whom but possibly the most misguided, Robert david Muldoon, I was brought to a state of insolvency by the Douglas reforms.
However as my surname was well down the alphabet, we were able to retrieve the situation before the “black Widow” called.
However with the glorious benefit of 20 20 hind sight I am only too well aware of the idiocy of the “managed’ economy and the disastrous effect it has on business output.
This nation is enjoying an unprecedented economic boom in the productive sector that the economic neanderthal Lange called a “sunset industry” and it is an irrefutable fact that much of that sector’s tremendous surge has its base in the Douglas reforms.
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July 3, 2011 9:52am
MT_Tinman

Manolo, I2, I wouldn’t read McCarten if you paid me to but what I can’t understand is if you think the same about him as I do (and as you appear to do) why the fuck do you highlight his every pathetic utterance?
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July 3, 2011 10:02am
mikenmild

Manolo

I don’t agree with the sentiments in that link.
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July 3, 2011 10:08am
reid

it is an irrefutable fact that much of that [agriculture] sector’s tremendous surge has its base in the Douglas reforms.

Indeed it is gd and another irrefutable fact is that almost every country in the world now runs Hayeckian economics. Keynesian economics is dead.

Lefties choose to conflate Hayeckian economics with the GFC however the real cause of the GFC is fractional reserve banking and central banking which cause the boom and bust cycles and – newsflash lefties – this banking model has been around since before Keynes even formulated his theories. Until the world rids itself of this banking model boom and bust will continue whichever economic model we run, be it Keynes or Hayek. So let’s not have this nonsense you idiots spout about Hayeckian economics having anything whatsoever to do with the GFC.

It comes down to: should the govt own what Lenin called: the Commanding Heights of the economy?

In Lenin’s time the commanding heights were the mining companies, the heavy industries, the railroads, etc. These days it’s still the mining companies and railroads but would now include the electricity and phone/internet networks, the airlines and the oil companies. Think Big was a stellar example of govt investment in commanding heights industries. So should the govt own and operate these, or not, is the question the left and right revolve around. Keynes says they should, Hayek says they shouldn’t. Keynes also believes in price and wage fixing whereas Hayek doesn’t and again, remember Muldoons price and wage freezes and the SMP (Supplementary Minimum Price).

Now when Muldoon was around economies world-wide were frozen with price controls and remember those times in the 70’s and early 80’s. The oil shocks, Jimmy Carter’s America. The UK. Things weren’t too good, were they. And yet this was the pinnacle of the global application of Keynesian economics, everywhere his policies were rigorously applied, and look what was happening. World-wide, economies were inefficient and frozen.

This is why lefties are fucking mental to a man or woman. All of them HAVE EITHER COMPLETELY FORGOTTEN THESE HISTORICAL FACTS or they simply choose not to mention them, which is fucking mental, since it’s the evidence their philosophy doesn’t work. It was tried and widely applied through the 50s, 60,s and 70’s and it just doesn’t work. And fucking lefties want the world to return to that?

What, the fuck, are they thinking?
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July 3, 2011 10:15am
big bruv

Come on the Queensland Red!
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July 3, 2011 10:23am
KH

About 50 ‘Civil Servants’ should be sacked for this failure. The USA has to take an interest in a local matter which is staring us in the face. They can see what we aren’t prepared to move on. What a bunch of amateurs we are in New Zealand.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/news/5224830/US-seeks-answers-on-abuse-of-crews
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July 3, 2011 10:25am
wat dabney

Apparently Douglas, by sharply reducing the coercive, centralised and grossly inefficient political control of our lives, committed some sort of crime. Apparently facilitating freedom and peaceful cooperation is a seditious act.

Of course, when gauleiter mccarten – an advocate of comprehensive state violence – calls for someone to be put on trial it is the highest form of compliment.
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July 3, 2011 10:29am
wat dabney

hj,

Thanks for posting this piece by Monbiot.

He really does write complete wank doesn’t he.
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July 3, 2011 10:30am
starboard

steady Big Bruv…its a family blog…
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July 3, 2011 10:37am
Pete George

I think it’s time to: Back the new Children’s Commissioner.

Dr Will has a record of working successfully on one of our society’s biggest problem – early childhood abuse. He deserves all the support we can give him.
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July 3, 2011 10:39am
starboard

KH…I heard of one particular Indonesian crew member leaving port ( NZ ) on a fishing vessel…and not returning…about 4 years ago this happened. Obviously there was ” an issue ” and it was dealt with at sea.
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July 3, 2011 10:42am
Nookin

BB is missing D4J. Wants someone to spar with. If ever a team deserved to win this competition it is the Crusaders.
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July 3, 2011 10:53am
big bruv

Nookin

The Crusader’s do not deserve to win anything, they are a blight on the game in NZ.

Want to know why the All Blacks have not won a world cup since 87?…look at the influence of the Canterbury rugby mafia.

I feel for the people of Christchurch (yes, even MT Tinman) but I will never support the Crusaders.

GO THE REDS!

Oh..and as for D4J, I certainly do not miss that idiot, the fool still chases me around the internet. The man is clearly deranged.
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July 3, 2011 11:24am
gravedodger

Come on Guys poor old Bruv’s team was destroyed by that bastard ex hooker from the Crusaders camp.
None of their problems are from the inmates running the asylum, Seal Killer and the Hairdressers Model have every right to run things their way, they see it as the Hurricane culture and it dramatically manifests with talent laden teams failing to deliver again and again, sheesh the gods even sent the fog to Lancaster Park one night, even they know a crock of shite.
Big Bruv hates the Crusaders and Canterbury just as socialists hate self reliance, self motivation, wealth, democracy et al.
Dont tell him but Dad laid 1080 at my flat this morning, hope a shit fight doesn’t erupt but that will be a faint hope I guess.
I do have a delete button to hand.
The quiwi number 10 did the Blues last night almost single handed. Did Lam’s Lambs lose there mojo on the flight over in lost luggage.
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July 3, 2011 11:46am
kaya

PG – I saw the piece on Marae this morning and Wills certainly impressed me.

The problem he has is that after years of (mostly) ineptitude from gummint departments and bureaucrats, most of us will ignore him and the commission as just another group of PC fuckwits only interested in keeping their cushy jobs. People are (rightly) cynical of reports, commissions, inquiries and any of the other politiccal bollocks that eminates from Wellington.

He deserves support but he will struggle to get it. I certainly hope he can work some magic behind the scenes and surprise us all in a couple of years with some improvements.
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July 3, 2011 12:04pm
holysheet

Watched Q&A this morning. What a moron espliner is. He had as his main thrust the fact that india has a problem with child labour. The response from the indian minister was very reasoned. He acknowleged that india has a problem and is working to fix it, but it will take time. Moronspliner tries to make the news rather than report it.

Most kiwis don’t give a rats arse about indias child labour problems. We have our own child abuse problems we should fix before pointing the finger at any other countries.
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July 3, 2011 12:19pm
kaya

Latest market outlook from a leading analyst.

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July 3, 2011 12:22pm
big bruv

gravedodger

I detest cheats of any style, therefore I detest the Crusaders, Richie McCaw and the the CRU.

You will not agree with me of course given that you are a one eyed sheep shagger but the cancerous influence of the Canterbury Rugby mafia has destroyed the national team.
We have seen captains appointed to the All Blacks who were a national embarrassment, they were appointed simply to appease the Canterbury Mafia, how else can you justify the selections of Blackadder and Thorne?

And let’s not start on the Crusaders ‘darkie’ quota.
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July 3, 2011 12:25pm
kaya

For fans of webcams:

http://viz.co.uk/webcams.html

Riveting.
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July 3, 2011 12:30pm
reid

Quite right kaya – Complete Banker is exceedingly good isn’t he.

What they’re going to do is try to inflate their way out of their debt problem. This is going to mean that one day sometime maybe soon maybe in a year or two, the market is going to crash the dollar, when it wakes up to the scale of the problem and the solution in play. Why it hasn’t already is beyond me. Blind faith in the Fed perhaps – who knows.

The other alternative is the US Federal Budget will take an 80% cut and that’s not going to happen, with any political grouping imaginable.

So they’ll inflate and crash the dollar.

So either the reserve changes to say the Euro, or the Fed issues issues a new USD, tied to gold.

Which alternative it will be is anyone’s guess.
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July 3, 2011 12:38pm
Owen McShane

Child labour plays an important role in economies as they develop.

THe New Zealand rural sector depended on child labour during labour intensive periods of the year, and day.
Indeed our whole school timetable is built around the demands of rural child labour of the time.

The school day starts late and ends early – milking.
Then the terms are built around providing breaks at harvest time etc.

I used to work on neighbours farms moving the bales in line with the trucks and so on.

And of course, what dairy could survive without child labour?
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July 3, 2011 12:46pm
Paulus

Indonesian Crew/Korean Charter boats.

Did I not read that they are chartered to fish NZ’s Maori quotas.

With such high Maori unemployment cannot they be taught to fish – after all it’s their fish under the Treaty.
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July 3, 2011 12:59pm
kaya

Reid – I beleive blind faith is the answer. For those in the middle of the mire, the alternatives are too frightening to contemplate. The problem as you know is that the acid test will be at a market near you sometime soon.

Talking of blind faith and the whole Facebook/King/Wishart/mob rule vs democracy argument. Have you read the book of the same name by Ben Elton? It portrays a worst nightmare vision of a new world were social media takes over? A bit more to it than that. Not one of his best books but still readable and topical.

Basically, Blind Faith raises issues to do with religion, science, T.V., technology, the internet, music videos, sharing (in the Oprah sense of the word), dressing children in g-strings and then complaining about paedophiles, and so forth.
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July 3, 2011 1:00pm
Viking2

Paulus (392) Says:
July 3rd, 2011 at 12:59 pm

Indonesian Crew/Korean Charter boats.

Did I not read that they are chartered to fish NZ’s Maori quotas.

With such high Maori unemployment cannot they be taught to fish – after all it’s their fish under the Treaty.

Don’t be ridiculous Paulus.
Maori’s are only being taught to rent seek. Even Jones suggested that on Q+A this morning. Quite open about it.
Why should they do the hard stuff. Oh they can’t afford to buy the boats probably. The Govment didn’t give them enough money for that.
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July 3, 2011 1:15pm
reid

Cheers kaya. I’ll get it from the library…
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July 3, 2011 1:21pm
Inky_the_Red

What interesting comments I read from some right-winger.
As I read it the right wing in NZ is saying
1. Go the Reds
2. The Crusaders organisation is a failure because it wins. Do let us fight against the success of a non government New Zealand run organisation.
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July 3, 2011 1:22pm
reid

Since the recovery began, corporate profits have captured nearly 90 percent of the growth in real income. Wages and salaries have accounted for 1 percent. That’s “unprecedented,” say Northeastern University economists, but it ain’t new. Productivity (that’s work/time) has increased seven times faster than wages in the last 30 years.

There’s a lot of online ink about the productivity paradox, memorably deemed our “Speed-up Crisis” in a provocative article by Monika Bauerlein and Clara Jeffery, coeditors of Mother Jones. It boils down to one question. Why does it seem like people have to work harder and harder to make the same amount of money?

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If everything is getting cheaper and better, why don’t you feel richer? Because the basic necessities — homes, gasoline, health care, and education — are not getting cheaper. Real housing prices slowly increased for 30 years before the housing boom. Real gas prices are the same today as in the 1930s. The cost of health care is growing faster than wages. Higher education costs are growing even faster.
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July 3, 2011 1:31pm
reid

Apparently, supportive text messages help people to give up smoking.

I therefore suggest the corrections minister arranges to supply every smoker with a cellphone and publish all the numbers on the web, so we can all send our love and support to those inside, trying to give up and not get all angry all at the same time…

Isn’t that a lovely idea.
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July 3, 2011 1:42pm
alex Masterley

Inky,

This right winger disagrees with your thesis.

Go the crusaders.
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July 3, 2011 1:51pm
backster

“Australia’s Prime Minister Julia Gillard softened the impact of her unpopular carbon tax plans by promising it will not increase Australian petrol prices.

She said the tax would never be applied to petrol despite transport being Australia’s third-largest and fastest-growing source of greenhouse gas emissions.”

Now the question is will Phil GOOF follow the example of his soulmate?
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July 3, 2011 2:16pm
F E Smith

Inky, is your thesis based simply on bruv’s views? Because it would appear they are, which would mean you are attributing one person’s view to the entire VRWC, based on a blog that has commenters of almost all political persuasions contributing.
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July 3, 2011 2:53pm
gravedodger

Please guys don’t insult the entreprenurial Right of center by Including that towering intellect who styles himself “Big Bruv”.
He is the absolute antithesis.
Because an organisation develops talent others ignore, have a culture that encourages excellence, developes management and coaching skill levels to heights undreamed of in other Franchises, Wins Titles on such a regular basis that they are shooting for an eighth title out of around 17 years of super rugby, win on the road more times than others dream about, an Idiot such as the obviously size obsessed aformentioned “Big Bruv” is no more than another who is depriving a village somewhere of their rightful property.
Oh and if you can avoid spraying your screen with spittle long enough to read this, BB just have a run through the coaches who with the selectors appoint the captains of RWC teams.
1987 Brian Lachore Wairarapa successfull.
1991 Alex Wyllie Canterbury to whom the NZRFU gave “unwanted asstance” in the name of John Hart. lost to eventual winners Australia in the semis at Landsdowne Rd.
1995 Laurie Mains Otago lost to suzi in the final.
1999 The great Wizard from Mighty Auckland one John Hart remember he that the NZRFU sent to assist Alex Wyllie.. Lost to france in the semi at Twickenham.
2003 John Mitchell from Waikato lost in the semifinals to Australia.
2007 The great redeemer Graeme Henry who had taken Wales to success took the All Blacks to Cardiff made a monumental blunder in leaving the best player rugby brain in his squad in the freeking grandstand, Aaron Major, and with tactics straight out of amateur coached school boy rugby spent 20 minutes trying to buy a penalty from a pom with none for sale.
2011 The mighty NZRFU with nearly all its voting support north of Lake Taupo has put their faith in Father Ted for another go.

Yes the current CEO is from Canterbury as are the two assistant coaches but for you to claim that everything wrong with New Zealand rugby is down to what Canterbury can achieve at the National level is just pure unadulterated Bulshit. It may well resonate in the vacuum of where your brain should be and possibly in a “league” pub in Mangare ( I very much doubt that as they actually know a bit about sport) but for godsake man have a wee look at the EVIDENCE and tell us all how your demented view is correct.

Go the Crusaders, enjoy the one big game left in your incredible season and may the best team win.
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July 3, 2011 2:55pm
Nookin

Aussie is really keen to hang on to our reputable citizenry. Surely we can find more to send over.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/new-zealand-criminal-on-run-from-mongrel-mob-can-stay-in-australia-despite-long-rap-sheet/story-e6freoof-1226086459018
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July 3, 2011 3:02pm
Inventory2

Inky – one rabid, anti-Canterbury right winger does not make the whole right-wing rabid Canterbury haters. This rightie will be supporting the Crusaders this weekend as he did last night. The fact that I am married to a Cantabrian is a mere coincidence 🙂

The Crusaders forwards were magnificent last night. It’s not often you see a South African forward pack get monstered, bullied and done over to the extent that they don’t want to scrum, but that’s what happened at Newslands last night, and THIS rightie loved every minute of it!
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July 3, 2011 3:20pm
Johnboy

Jeeze. The Super Whatever is fucked. A cruddy, low rent lawyer, a FEStering sore on the legal arsehole, 🙂 , who cries when legal aid is cut (his main form of income) is involved. Bring back Buck! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 3:20pm
James

After watching that Queensland back line root the blues and then add in the likes of Kurtly Beal,O.Connor etc the All Blacks chances at the WC are looking fucked.
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July 3, 2011 3:26pm
big bruv

Poor old Gravedodger, another sheep shagger whose life is so sad that he had to define it by the deeds of a rugby team.

Mind you dodger, you may have a future as a comedy writer, I near wet myself laughing when you mentioned that Aaron Mauger has a “great rugby brain”. The man lacked one vital skill for a midfield back, he could not bloody tackle.

I also note that you (like most left wingers) like to rewrite history, you forget the poisonous influence of Robbie Deans in 03, the fact that Henry is a Cantab, the fact that Wyllie was so off the rails on 91 that not even the great John Hart could save the team, indeed had Wyllie not had Hart forced upon him to help with the campaign it may well have seen the All Blacks booted out after pool play.

The simple fact dodger (I need to keep things simple for you) is the All Blacks have always performed best when the Canterbury influence is kept as minimal as possible.

I also note that you avoided the issue of the ‘darkie’ quota….I wonder why that is?
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July 3, 2011 3:28pm
big bruv

James

Nah, the Aussie’s have no chance with an idiot like Deans as their coach.
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July 3, 2011 3:29pm
Nookin

This is a much better approach. They should go to Brisbane.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5225794/Hells-Angels-members-refused-entry-to-NZ.

Gravedodger.
BB is just honing his ascerbic skills for the election. He really is drawn to Canterbury and has a perverse fondness for Dad. He has been strangely quiet since Dad was banned which is sad in a way because their fervid courting livened up the show – much the same as exchanges between Penny and, well, anyone else.
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July 3, 2011 3:29pm
calendar girl

BB @ 11.24am: “The Crusader’s do not deserve to win anything, they are a blight on the game in NZ. Want to know why the All Blacks have not won a world cup since 87?…look at the influence of the Canterbury rugby mafia.”

The latter point is also not borne out convincingly by the facts of rugby tournaments featuring NZ provincial teams or franchises.

In Super Rugby competitions (commenced only in 1996), the following franchises were overall winners in RWC years: 1999 Crusaders, 2003 Blues, 2007 Bulls.

In NZ’s domestic first division, Auckland won the NPC in each of the six RWC years other than 1991 (when the winner was Otago); i.e. Auckland won in 1987, 1995, 1999, 2003 and 2007.

Finally, in RWC years the following provinces were holders of the Ranfurly shield at the time of the RWC: 1987 Auckland, 1991 Auckland, 1995 Canterbury, 1999 Waikato, 2003 Canterbury, 2007 Canterbury (for 1 defence) followed by Auckland.

None of this suggests that the Crusaders’ (or Canterbury’s) style of play or overall influence on New Zealand rugby has been the over-riding factor in the All Blacks’ relative lack of success since 1987. What the record does show, however, is the scant success enjoyed by any NZ team based anywhere near BB’s region.

As for the later reference to McCaw (alleged to be a cheat, no less), that comment says less about McCaw’s sense of fair play than it does about the extremes of BB’s parochial frustration.
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July 3, 2011 3:33pm
Johnboy

Poor old Gravedodger, another sheep shagger “”

Jeeze bruv. Don’t pick on a man cause he fancies sheep!

They tend to have much nicer temperament than the female of our own species! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 3:33pm
Rex Widerstrom

Nookin notes:

Aussie is really keen to hang on to our reputable citizenry.

I found that fascinating, Nookin. I wonder if he’s getting any government assistance? Because I’m ineligible for anything despite a decade spent obeying the law (well, mostly… all except those annoying road ones 😉 ) and paying taxes, as I’m not a citizen and Helen made me ineligible with a stroke of her pen. Perhaps I too should achieve a few convictions… after all, that’s been the minimum requirement since before Federation.

But what really struck me was this:

Three of his children were born in Australia, four are named after motor vehicles and Williams already has picked out another car name for his 10th child, due later this year.

The teases never go on to tell us what the names actually are. I invite Kiwibloggers to speulate… 😀
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July 3, 2011 3:34pm
big bruv

Nookin

I have no issue with Canterbury (or it’s taxi drivers), it is just their rugby team that I detest with a passion.

Let me be clear, I support ANYBODY who plays against Canterbury/Crusaders, indeed it was because of the rampant racist views of the Canterbury fans that I became a fan of Carlos Spencer.
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July 3, 2011 3:37pm
Yvette

Just when you thought it was safe

Chris Kahui, was tried for murder and acquitted in 2008 with his defence blaming King, the twins’ mother.

Wishart has been coy about revealing too many details about his “tell-all” book, but his emails to a woman [Jane Reed] who is part of a group dedicated to boycotting the book indicate Chris Kahui will be fingered as the killer.

Wishart wrote: “Police know who killed the twins, and when the book is released New Zealanders who read it will suddenly know why that person is at the centre of all this.
“Because of NZ law, it may be impossible to prosecute the killer, in which case the book and the court of public opinion may be as close to justice as that person gets.”
He appears to be referring to Kahui, who is the only one with protection under double jeopardy laws due to the 2008 prosecution

– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5224769/Authors-emails-reveal-Kahui-twins-accusation

The jury in the Kahui case did, however, supposedly on their first polling of opinion, find him Not Guilty, so in one minute’s deliberation, then went to lunch and returned the verdict ‘with in the hour’.

So is Ian Wishart that much of an idiot that he would stake his ‘reputation’ and possible legal action to name Chris Kahui?

And, it seems that the last time a ‘mob’ was as rabid as the current anti-group, Peter Ellis was put away for quite a while. So the police and public opinion do not have an unblemished record.

I’d have thought the closing off of any option of information would be silly at this stage.

The main objection to the current situation is that King might benefit in any way from the book’s publication.
I would suggest that if Wishart wants to ‘correct’ that aspect he employ some acceptable agency to confirm that she hasn’t and won’t.

Mind you, it is still so bloody cold here, a book or two to burn could be handy.
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July 3, 2011 3:40pm
big bruv

Well Johnboy…it seems that my work here is done for the day…

“Light fuse, stand wel clear” 🙂
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July 3, 2011 3:40pm
Johnboy

You are a cunt bb. But I like you!! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 3:42pm
Nookin

You will just have to knock over a few banks or screw yourself silly in an effort to produce a whole tribe of little holdens, Rex.
Don’t tell BB, Johnboy, but Canterbury have been exporting sheep to the Wellington area this year. 25 of them have been running around Westpac Stadium in silly yellow jerseys all year.
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July 3, 2011 3:43pm
Johnboy

True Nookin but your sleeper agent Hammett is exporting the HurryUpCaneYourArse sheepies as fast as he can find a franchise to take them.

Devious cunts these Cantabrians! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 3:49pm
nasska

Johnboy

There are those who see a sheep & only see a roast drenched in gravy. For the others……..

Why sheep are better than women Part 6
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You can get a better grip on a sheep’s ear.
Sheep don’t shy away from boots and leather.
Sheep won’t argue about whose turn it is to go get a towel.
Sheep never ask if you’re ready to settle down.
Sheep never ask about your former lovers, and then get pissed off when you tell them.
No matter how old or ugly you are, you can always find a willing ewe.
Sheep are never concerned about their reputation.
Sheep won’t tell all their friends about the time you couldn’t get it up.
Sheep won’t ask if you’re gay when you can’t get it up for the second time.
You’ll never catch your sheep masturbating to a picture of Brad Pitt.
Sheep don’t get suspicious if you have to work late
Sheep don’t get moody once a month.
A sheep doesn’t stop screwing after the honeymoon.
A sheep won’t get drunk and throw up in your car.
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July 3, 2011 3:54pm
Nookin

A true cantabrian has no use for wethers, Johnboy.
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July 3, 2011 3:55pm
F E Smith

Yvette, 7 minutes from go to whoa from what I hear. Apparently they didn’t even bother to make a cup of tea!

“The main objection to the current situation is that King might benefit in any way from the book’s publication.
I would suggest that if Wishart wants to ‘correct’ that aspect he employ some acceptable agency to confirm that she hasn’t and won’t.”

From what I have seen, he already has.
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July 3, 2011 3:56pm
Johnboy

You forgot to mention to David why Scotsmen wear kilts nasska. 🙂
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July 3, 2011 4:00pm
Manolo

Smile-and-wave Key should do with this ridiculous suggestion the same he quickly did with the 2025 Report:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/employment/news/article.cfm?c_id=11&objectid=10735891
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July 3, 2011 4:18pm
kingofthejuice

@hj (1,301) Says:
July 3rd, 2011 at 7:39 am

Wouldn’t it make sense, given the the general thrust of the article, to relax urban planning laws in order to stimulate greater urban density?
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July 3, 2011 4:23pm
gravedodger

Questions BB, you understand don’t you, I respectfully ask and you respond with knowledge known to you
1 How do you get to overwhelming influence of Canterbury with One (1) head- coach since RWC commenced and he had another loser to assist him.
2 Sure Henry went to CBHS and is loathed by everyone who knew him at that time. Do you know any of them?
3 What part of 1/3 of last nights crusaders 22 and 1/2 of the Canterbury team that beat Nth Otago yesterday who fit right into the oh so delicately described “darkie” category were your hoary old chestnut comment referring to.
4 I assume that by your obsession with sexual activity with sheep you are obviously a practicing afficionado, You might like to enlighten us? As for myself I was a cattle farmer.

And By the way you depriver of your village’s rightful property I actually said “THE BEST RUGBY BRAIN IN HIS SQUAD” not a great rugby brain, muppett. Option taking was the weakness not existing and occupying space.
In your demented little world you are a “savant”
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July 3, 2011 4:39pm
gravedodger

Oh I nearly forgot, you got a couple of things right, poor and old the rest is total shit.
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July 3, 2011 4:42pm
Johnboy

“As for myself I was a cattle farmer.”

Phew! Big boy eh! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 4:45pm
Armotur

..what an aggressive little indian on Q+A..

Thanks starboard I watched the interview with interest. I think that the only reason Anand Sharma began to loose it was because it was clear that Guyon Espiner quite clearly showed no interest in what the man was saying about Child labour & poverty, He simply wanted to bang on his drum.

Espiner was a rude journalist. Watch his body language, Creep!
Notice also another example of the media showing film when the interview was clearly over.
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July 3, 2011 4:47pm
chiz

Yvette:So is Ian Wishart that much of an idiot that he would stake his ‘reputation’ and possible legal action to name Chris Kahui?

Yes, Wishfart is an idiot. He didn’t have any problems defaming Helen. And, hey, she didn’t sue so it must be true, etc.
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July 3, 2011 4:48pm
chiz

The arty bollocks generator for when you can’t wrtite your own arty nonsense.
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July 3, 2011 4:51pm
Nookin

Manolo

I would be very surprised if this sort of legislation gets any traction. It is just the sort of nonsensical “one suit fits all” nonsense that permeates the Labor Party. If you are going to have to disclose pay packets, you are also going to have to disclose performance agreements, performance reports and a whole variety of personal information (which may extend to disciplinary matters) all of which have a bearing on remuneration.

It presupposes that all positions are identical. In reality, very few positions are the same unless you are talking about the factory floor.

I have no idea who came up with the sort of idiocy. They should get an invitation to the real world. A brief visit to let them see what actually happens might well be appropriate. Then they should be locked back up in a cupboard somewhere.

It is already an offence to discriminate against somebody on the grounds of gender. If there are two applicants for two similar jobs (one male/one female), an employer already commits an offence if the employer hires both of them on different salaries where the difference is solely attributable to gender. That is as far as we need to go.

Imagine the problems that would be caused if employees started throwing their toys out of the cot because a co-employee of a different gender is earning more (for very sound reasons) but the disgruntled employee refuses to accept that. It is a recipe for division, jealousy, non-cooperation and litigation.
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July 3, 2011 4:56pm
gravedodger

Na johnboy 5ft 8 and not strong enough to carry a box you sicko.
Poor old missing village assets, he can’t come back in now he’s far too busy, probably cant run fast enough to feed his obsession. OTOH ( the one you are resting) you might like to have a go at the simple questions obviously well within your capabilities. you know like minds and all that.
He is certainly a master of debate, your best friend, eh, or is that masterbator.
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July 3, 2011 5:08pm
Johnboy

Hell gravedodger I was only trying to be humorous!

Sorry if I rubbed you up the wrong way.

No hard feelings. 🙂
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July 3, 2011 5:14pm
gravedodger

Rotflmto johnny, never felt any rubbing, nothing is hard and am watching the saffas getting pummeled again, they are no better on the replay.
As for BB the facts sustain my position so not upset in the least.
It is only a game intit.
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July 3, 2011 5:25pm
Johnboy

Thank Christ we are still mates and players in the game! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 5:43pm
big bruv

Ah Johnboy, you have disappointed me, why apologise to the cantankerous old git?

If he cannot take a wind up (even if it is 100% true) then that is his problem.

I think you are going soft 🙂
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July 3, 2011 6:05pm
gravedodger

So you managed to run one down then BIG BRUV or is that little dick.
When you have got your breath back you will find the answers or will you just keep up the abuse and continue to display your total ignorance.
Did it really take that long to look up how to spell cantankerous.
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July 3, 2011 6:15pm
Johnboy

Jeeze BB if only I could have spelled “cantankerous” I would have used it myself!!

Fuck I wish I had, had a proper edumacation! 🙂
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July 3, 2011 6:20pm
big bruv

Come on you old git, lighten up a bit.

Or is your life so pathetic that you have to live it through the deeds of a rugby team made up of players who do not live in Chch or players you have stolen from other places?

I bet it winds you up that most of the nation will be cheering for Queensland this coming weekend.

As for how long it took me to reply, well not much I can do aboutgranddadrandad, I am out working to pay taxes so bludgers like you can get your pension every week.
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July 3, 2011 6:21pm
gravedodger

The answers to the questions little dick.
Are you certain I am a net receiver of your generousity you little pillar of society or is that pillock.
Just to make it simpler for you you one dimensional retard who was your choice for Coach of the Mighty Hurricanes when Joseph told them to shove it.
Can you actually formulate an argument or do you just cut and paste it all from last year, not much new about your ranting.
But I guess someone who idolizes a seal killer and a pansy with highlights in his hair to distract from the idiot lapses when he drops the ball and takes about an average of seven seconds to workout what to do next. well…….
Answers not available the eight year old who writes your material has to eat her tea.
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July 3, 2011 7:02pm
nasska

Your Health Questions Answered…

Q: I’ve heard that cardiovascular exercise can prolong life. Is this true?
A: Your heart is only good for so many beats, and that’s it, don’t piss them away on exercise. Everything wears out eventually. Speeding up your heart will not make you live longer; that’s like saying you can extend the life of your car by driving it faster. Want to live longer? Take a nap.
Q: Should I cut down on meat and eat more fruits and vegetables?
A: You must grasp logistical efficiencies. What does a cow eat? Hay and corn. And what are these? Vegetables. So a steak is nothing more than an efficient mechanism of delivering vegetables to your system. Need grain? Eat chicken. Beef is also a good source of field grass (green leafy vegetable). And a pork chop can give you 100% of your recommended daily allowance of vegetable slop.
Q: Is beer or wine bad for me?
A: Look, it goes to the earlier point about fruits and vegetables. As we all know, scientists divide everything in the world into three categories: animal, mineral, and vegetable. We all know that beer and wine are not animal, and they are not on the periodic table of elements, so that only leaves one thing, right? Wine is made from fruit. Brandy is distilled wine, that means they take the water out of the fruity bit so you get even more of the goodness that way. Beer is also made out of grain. Bottoms up! My advice: Have a burger and a beer and enjoy your liquid vegetables.
Q: How can I calculate my body/fat ratio?
A: Well, if you have a body, and you have body fat, your ratio is one to one. If you have two bodies, your ratio is two to one, etc.
Q: What are some of the advantages of participating in a regular exercise program?
A: Can’t think of a single one, sorry. My philosophy is: No Pain – Good.
Q: If I stop smoking, will I live longer?
A: Nope. Smoking is a sign of individual expression and peace of mind. If you stop, you’ll probably stress yourself to death in record time.
Q: Aren’t fried foods bad for you?
A: You’re not listening. Foods are fried these days in vegetable oil. In fact, they’re permeated in it. How could getting more vegetables be bad for you?
Q: What’s the secret to healthy eating?
A: Thicker gravy.
Q: Will sit-ups help prevent me from getting a little soft around the middle?
A: Definitely not! When you exercise a muscle, it gets bigger. You should only be doing sit-ups if you want a bigger stomach.
Q: Is chocolate bad for me?
A: Are you crazy? HELLO …… Cocoa beans … another vegetable!!! It’s the best feel-good food around!
Q: Is swimming good for your figure?
A: If swimming is good for your figure, explain whales to me.
Q: Is getting in-shape important for my lifestyle?
A: Hey! ‘Round’ is a shape!
Well, I hope this has cleared up any misconceptions you may have had about food and diets and remember, “Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways – Chardonnay in one hand – strawberries in the other body thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and screaming – ‘YA HOO! What a Ride!'”
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July 3, 2011 7:07pm
big bruv

Ha ha Classic!

“and a pansy with highlights in his hair ”

Now we see the real sheep shagger emerge from beneath the public image of the bludging pensioner.

Come on Grandad,just admit that you don’t like them ‘darkies’ being in the All Blacks, you hate Nonu with a passion not because he has dreds but because he is brown.

It is because of people like you that the Crusaders have a darkie quota.

Now, why not take your teeth out (funded by us tax payers), turn off your hearing aide (funded by us tax payers) and go and have what I imagine at your age is another one of your three hour pissses before shuffling off to bed, you are nothing but a racist old fool who clearly knows fuck all about the game of Rugby.
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July 3, 2011 7:20pm
gravedodger

And your rebuttal of my published facts as to the racial quota in the Crusaders in Capetown and the Canterbury team that defended the shield was?. it clearly didn’t publish here but being a slow reader you wouldn’t have had time for that much reading to notice. Oh and probably time you wiped the spittle of the screen again.

We have more skinny little white boys because it is colder down here but in your retarded little world you would have been eating the sammys you stole that day when geography teacher covered Canterbury.
BTW you omitted the $8000 Pacemaker ta very much you little pillock you.
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July 3, 2011 7:32pm
big bruv

What a waste of a pacemaker.

Are you sure it was not one of them darkies who operated on you?

Or did you insist on a white doctor?

As for your “facts”, you would not know a fact if it bit you on the arse, what is perfectly clear (from your own comments) is that you see your city as being one for “white folk”.

BTW, what is the big issue with Nonu and his hair?, are you secretly attracted to the man?.
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July 3, 2011 7:44pm
Luc Hansen

Observations from a le tour addict:

1. The most imposing building in every quaint ol’ town the riders scythe through is always le eglise? And this from a country that modernised honourable infidelite!

2. Why not a podium for the unsung heroes, les docteurs, who successfully ensured that, so far, their charges have avoided detection of the cocktail of drugs so necessary to be competitive?

3. Why not just ban drug testing and let us watch brilliant, amazing, awe inspiring, albeit chemically assisted, superhuman exploits? Let’s face it, we all dance with death in many aspects of our lives, anyway…

4. Don’t you love those beautiful French lasses with short, short skirts who carefully position themselves on bridges directly above the riders line of sight? I certainly do!
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July 3, 2011 7:45pm
Viking2

Fairfacts. If you are looking your sight is spaming out viruses. Nasty fellow.
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July 3, 2011 7:48pm
Luc Hansen

oops, forgot one:

5. It would appear France doesn’t suffer many quakes.
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July 3, 2011 7:57pm
Viking2

Just arrived by Mail.

I wish I was a Maori……….

I have been wondering about why only Whites are racists, but no other race is…… so I got to thinking

Maori call me a ‘Pakeha’, [Pa = village, keha = flea, vermin ] ‘Whitey’, ‘Honky’ and ‘Redneck’ and that’s OK,
but if I call you Hori, you call me a racist.

You have a race based Maori Political party, special Maori only parliamentary seats and Maori can stand as a candidate in any parliamentary electorate in New Zealand but white people cannot stand for a Maori seat or be on the Maori roll or a member of the Maori Party. You have ‘3 bites at the same electoral cherry’. White people have only one and yet you still say you are dis-advantaged. If I complain you call me a red neck racist.

You have a race based Maori caucus in parliament which includes the Maori members from all parties. It concerns itself with protecting and advancing Maori values, not party political values. If whites or any other ethnic group had a multi party parliamentary caucus that dealt with the advancement of its own race or for whites only, and not politics we would be called racist.

You also want to appoint your own representation on Local bodies and demand the granting of special seats or privilege. If not granted you scream racism. Yet Maori can be elected just the same as any person from any race. If there were seats on any local body that were just for whites only there would be great cries of racism..

You have a flag of your own, which you insist be recognised and flown alongside the flag of our country.
This illustrates your separateness and division from the rest of New Zealanders. If a white person flew and demanded recognition of a competitive flag for New Zealand, it would be tantamount to Treason.

There are a number of openly proclaimed Maori schools and Colleges in New Zealand. Maori colleges and high schools specifically for Maori students. Yet if there were ‘Whites Only colleges’, they would be racist colleges.
If whites had scholarships, college funds and Trusts that only gave white students Scholarships, you know they’d be racists.
You expect whites and other New Zealanders to ignore your special tax payer funded educational institutions and when we complain or say you should teach your language and culture in the home as other races do you call us racists.
Who pays for the running of Maori colleges? If whites objected to their taxes going to pay for them they would be called racist. If white people had their own schools and colleges they would be called elitist racists

You have Government funded race based Kohango Reo’s [pre-schools] to teach your race your own language and even have transport to pick the children up. If any other race asked for the taxpayer to fund the teaching of only their own language, or transport to take their children to pre-school they would be laughed at and called racist.
You have Maori Health Services. Special organisations within the taxpayer funded public health system which are run by Maori for only Maori. If whites asked for such special and separatist privileges from the health services they would be racists.

You have a Maori TV channel funded by the New Zealander taxpayer. If there was a Whites only TV or if whites said Maori should fund their own TV, they would be called racists
You also have your own Te Reo TV channel which broadcasts solely in Maori. Of the 14 free to air Freeview TV channels Maori have two of them and yet there are also Maori language programs and news on the main network channels such as TV One and TVNZ 7. If we consider that an over representation of a language that the rest of us don’t want to learn, we are called racists,

If we had any organisations, schools, trusts, and governmental groups TV stations, etc for whites only to advance OUR lives, we’d be racists.

A white woman cannot be Maori sportswoman of the year, but any race can be New Zealand sportswoman of the year. A white person cannot be in the Maori All blacks or any Maori sporting team, but any colour can be in the All blacks or any New Zealand sports team. This separatism is decidedly racist but if a white person comments on it they are labelled racist. The fact that we have a Maori allblack team is as racist as is any race based sports team can be but if there was a whites only allback team or any other whites only sports team it would be considered blatantly racist.

You say the whites commit as much violence as you do.
So why are the Maori parts of town the most dangerous places to live? Why are the goals so full of Maori?
Why are so many children killed and bashed by Maori.
But when I say that Maori are a violent people you call me a racist.

You rob us, convert our cars, rape our women and bash our elderly. But, if a white police officer shoots a Maori or a Maori gang member, or assaults a Maori criminal running from the law and posing a threat to society, you scream racism.

You are proud to be Maori and you’re not afraid to announce it, even though you may not be full Maori, but part Maori, or even only ‘trace element’ Maori, but when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
Why is it that only whites can be racists?
There is nothing improper about this e-mail. It’s all true and illustrates that it’s time we started to pressure all politicians to eliminate special race based privilege and parliamentary seats based on race.
Stop giving Maori special privilege and treat them the same as any white person, Chinese, Asian, Indian or Pacific Islander.

There are many races that live in New Zealand, all were alien initially, now there are many minorities and if we don’t learn to stand up and stop privilege being accorded to any one particular group, the next group to start wanting separatist rules, favouritism and privilege will be alien religious groups.

The great gravy train, a.k.a the Waitangi grievance Industry, has hopefully nearly finished its work of judging events of 160 years ago through today’s eyes and making compensation awards in today’s money so now is the time to stop and ask:
Do we want a privileged group enjoying special favour for no rational reason, or do we want racial equality in New Zealand with fairness and equal privilege for all?

There is nothing improper about this e-mail……… so let’s see which of you care enough to send it on.
Think about this … If you don’t want to forward this for fear of offending someone – THEN YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

It’s not a crime to be white YET.. but getting very close!
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July 3, 2011 8:04pm
Viking2

Little Johnny walked into class every morning with a black eye.. After a
> while his teacher got worried and asked him about it.Johnny’s answer was:
> Our house is very small miss. Me, my mother and my father, we sleep on the
> same bed. Every night my father asks, ‘Johnny are you sleeping?’ Then I
> say No’ and then he slaps my face and gives me a black eye.”
>
> So the teacher says to him, “Tonight when your father asks again, keep
> dead quiet and don’t answer”. The following morning Little Johnny comes to
> school and his eye is fine, so the teacher breathes a sigh of relief, but the day
> after that Johnny comes back with a severe black eye again. “My goodness
> Johnny, why the black eye again?” He tells her: “Miss, Dad asked me again,
> Johnny are you sleeping?… And I shut up and kept dead still. Then my
> father and my mother started moving you know at the same time Mom was
> breathing erratically, kicking her legs up frantically and squealing like a
> demented hyena on the bed”… Then my father asks my mother: ‘Are you
> coming?’ Then my mom says, ‘Yes I’m coming, are you coming too?’ and my
> dad answered ‘Yes’.
>
> *They don’t usually go anywhere without me so I said ‘Wait for me..
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July 3, 2011 8:07pm
Viking2

YOU HAVE TO BE SMART IN BUSINESS!

cid:1.839768085@web111714.mail.gq1.yahoo.com

A Chinese goes to a Jew to buy black bras size 38.
The Jew, known for his skills as a businessman, says that black bras are rare and that he is finding it very difficult to buy them from his suppliers.
Therefore he has to charge $50.00 for them.

The Chinese buys 25 pairs..

He returns a few days later and this time orders fifty.

The Jew tells him that they have become even harder to get and charges him $60.00 each.

The Chinese returns a month later and buys the Jew’s remaining stock of 50, and this time for $75.00 each.

The Jew is somewhat puzzled by the large demand for black bras and asks the Chinese, please tell me:
What do you do with all these black bras?

The Chinese answers: ‘I cut them in half and sell the halves as skull caps to the Jews for $200.00 each.
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July 3, 2011 8:08pm
Steve

@ Viking
I do hope that is not happening in NZ, we have enough trouble with the fucking Maoris extorting us. A Jew must know the difference between Chinese and the Tinorangitiratanga or whatever they think they are
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July 3, 2011 8:24pm
Steve

Steve trolls, and stick it where the global warming sun don’t shine Maori sympathisers
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July 3, 2011 8:29pm
gravedodger

@ Big bruv

You seriously need help man

Good night best wishes and please Just go and get it.
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July 3, 2011 9:11pm
fatboy slim

big bruv is beyond help. So much hatred cannot be redirected. He is a sad indictment for such a blog as this.
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July 3, 2011 9:14pm
Inventory2

Who would ever have expected that not only is Trevor Mallard homophobic, but he’s not above a bit of Indian-bashing as well? So much for Labour’s claim to be the party that represents immigrant communities.

http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/07/03/how-much-is-the-worlds-slowest-indian-paying-whale/
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July 3, 2011 9:26pm
Longknives

Viking 2- “You are proud to be Maori and you’re not afraid to announce it, even though you may not be full Maori, but part Maori, or even only ‘trace element’ Maori, but when we announce our white pride, you call us racists”

That’s got me thinking- I certainly wouldn’t call it “White pride” but my Great-Grandfather came here from Scotland after being gassed and wounded in WW1 and worked his arse off on the land to provide a future for his family.
BUT.. I am consistently told that as a New Zealander of European descent I should be ashamed of my bloodline and that I am a ‘”visitor to this country” (As Tariana Turia touchingly puts it… )
Bugger it all. Call me ‘Racist’ if you like but I am damn proud that my Grandfathers moved here with fucking nothing, made something of themselves and built a future for their descendants…
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July 4, 2011 12:31am
mikenmild

Viking2
‘Maori call me a ‘Pakeha’, [Pa = village, keha = flea, vermin]’

I can’t find any reference to that etymology. How confident are you that this is what pakeha means?
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