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reid

The second story on our so called news this evening was about a flooded toilet FFS.

Crikey Paul, whereabouts was it? Was everyone OK? It didn’t hold up the Sport segment(s) did it? It did? Oh the humanity.
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July 30, 2011 6:42pm
nasska

This married couple is on holiday in Pakistan. They’re touring around
the market place looking at the goods and such, when they pass this
small sandal shop.

From inside they hear a gentleman with a Pakistani accent say “I welcome
you, foreigners! Come in, come in to my humble shop. Salam a leekem!”

So the married couple walks in.

The Pakistani man says to them “I have some special sandals
I think you’d be interested in. They make you wild at sex like a great
desert camel.”

The wife after hearing this is really interested in buying the sandals,
but her husband feels he really doesn’t need them, being the sex god
that he is. So the husband says to the Pakistani, “How could sandals
make you into a sex freak?”

The Pakistani replies “Just try them on.”

The husband, after much badgering from his wife, finally concedes to try
them on. As he does, he gets this wild look in his eyes, something his
wife has not seen in many years; raw sexual power. In a blink of the
eye, the husband rushes the Pakistani man, throws him on a table and
starts tearing at the guys pants.

All the time the Pakistani man is screaming “Stop, stop! You’ve got them
on the wrong feet!”
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July 30, 2011 7:00pm
Luc Hansen

Viking2 (4,576) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 3:19 pm

Cheers, mate. I followed your link and owned myself.

At least I will get the 10%!

🙂
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July 30, 2011 7:22pm
mikenmild

Luc

It’s probably not enough. John Ansell might struggle to find your comment. I think you need to post a specific accusation right on his blog. Maybe then he wouldn’t find it, but you’d be giving him a chance.
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July 30, 2011 7:27pm
nasska

There are three things in life that are certain –
Death,
Taxes,
and that if you load up Windows Media Player and the volume control is set right down to 2 or 5 out of 100, it means that the last person on there was watching porn.
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July 30, 2011 7:32pm
Pauleastbay

White collars back on the All Black jersey, yes.
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July 30, 2011 7:38pm
Luc Hansen

nasska, 7.00pm, haha, so not PC!

Hey! I’ve got a good one for you.

Did you hear the one about the East Bengali girl, 17, farmer’s daughter, who was told by her father to follow the footsteps of centuries of ancestors and, in the off-season, go to West Bengal to seek work.

Trouble is, East Bengal is now Bangladesh and West Bengal is in India, thanks to yet another arbitrary border drawn by the colonial European power, and, thanks to poverty in East Bengal and the impending climate change refugees crisis, is increasingly guarded by a barbed wire fence.

Anyway, the girl slipped and ended up dangling upside down in the fence, with an audience of Indian soldiers.

The punchline?

The Indian soldiers used her for target practice.
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July 30, 2011 7:47pm
reid

the impending climate change refugees crisis

Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?

Is that what you’re saying?

In what sort of timeframe are we talking here?
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July 30, 2011 7:59pm
nasska

Luc

They sure take their border protection seriously over there. I agree that many borders in the Middle East & South East Asia were poorly drawn by the departing colonial powers. I fully support the native people being encouraged to redefine the borders of their lands.
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July 30, 2011 8:05pm
Hurf Durf

Hey GrumpyOldIdiot, good news for you, all the leaders of the Turkish General Staff have resigned which has likely neutered the armed forces, the central plank for Turkish secularism. You can go and sign up to their Army now, though you might be disappointed when you get shipped off to Iran after Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman inclinations get the better of him.

“Awwwwwww shit cuz, this don’t look like Haifa!”
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July 30, 2011 8:06pm
Steve

Friendship Between Women:

A woman didn’t come home one night. The next day she told her husband
that she had slept over at a girlfriend’s house. The man called his wife’s
10 best friends. None of them knew anything about it.

Friendship Between Men:

A man didn’t come home one night. The next day he told his wife that he had
slept over at a buddy’s house. The woman called her husband’s 10 best
friends. Eight of them confirmed that he had slept over, and two
claimed that he was still there.
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July 30, 2011 8:22pm
nasska

An army private went to see the Medical Captain for a new pair
of glasses. The Captain looked in his book of record and said,
“But you just got a new pair last month!”

“Yes sir, b.. b.. but I got them b..broken in an accident,”
stammered the private.

“Accident, what kind of an accident?” The Captain looked in his
book of Accident definitions and glossaries, “Road-march
accident, Firing Range accident, PT accident, Drill accident?”

“No, no nothing of those…” said the private.

“Well then, what is it?”

“I’d rather not tell you sir…”

“Well, no satisfactory explanations, no new glasses,” said the
medical officer, ready to stand up, “I’ve to see my patients
now.”

“No, no sir wait, I broke them when I was kissing my girl,”
blurted the private.

“Don’t be daft man, how could you break your glasses kissing
a girl?”

“Well, she crossed her legs.”
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July 30, 2011 8:28pm
reid

Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?

How come Luc hasn’t got back to me yet?

You’d think he’d have such facts as rising sea-level-p.a.-by-country at his fingertips, wouldn’t you. I’m amazed he hasn’t learned NZ’s figures off by heart. Maybe it’s so bad, Luc just doesn’t want to tell us, lest we panic and not turn up for work on Monday or indeed ever again.

If so, thanks Luc, for keeping us in the dark re: this, most appreciated. I like turning up for work on Monday. It’s wonderful.
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July 30, 2011 8:29pm
plebe

I dont think preety boy carter could kick his own balls at the moment, but as my wife said THE REAL BOKS ARE MUCH BIGGER AND FASTER, ps she raised her voice
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July 30, 2011 8:33pm
nasska

Common Luc. You can’t hide under the skirts of She Who Must Be Obeyed for the rest of the night.

Out you come & take your medicine from reid.
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July 30, 2011 8:55pm
Luc Hansen

I’ve been putting the nearly three year old to sleep, guys, you know, stories and songs, God, I’m sick of Twinkle Twinkle little fucking star!

Anyway, let me get a beer and I’ll be back, OK?
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July 30, 2011 9:10pm
Rodders

Luc – why don’t you discuss Middle East politics with your son? 😉
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July 30, 2011 9:16pm
Luc Hansen

I’m coming, reid, but first:

nasska said

I fully support the native people being encouraged to redefine the borders of their lands.

Really? So you support Tuhoe autonomy demands?

Good for you.

And the desire of the Pashtun (Taleban) to reunite their lands ripped apart by yet another colonial line drawn on a map?

Good for you.

And, of course, the desire of the Palestinians to redefine their borders as they were for thousands of years, between the river and the sea?

Good for you.

You know, we could get on!
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July 30, 2011 9:26pm
Luc Hansen

Rodders, the three yo is a girl.

With my sons, who are considerably older, of the order of decades, don’t worry, I have, and more besides.
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July 30, 2011 9:28pm
Luc Hansen

reid (7,999) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

Do I interpret you correctly Luc as saying AGW will bring about huge population movements due to rising sea levels etc?

Yes.
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July 30, 2011 9:30pm
mikenmild

I guess the question is the scale of population movements, given the very slow nature of rises in sea level.
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July 30, 2011 9:33pm
Luc Hansen

Hey Hurf, Erdogan won just over 50% of the vote. And his third win in a row, after being released from the jail of the generals.

Pretty clear mandate, wouldn’t you say?

And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.

Of course, I would like to see some tweaking done to the moral guidance and the legal system, although polygamy sounds pretty good to me, although not, I suspect, to my wife, and I think the requirement to protect women has been taken more than a bit too far, but can you name a western system that is so comprehensive and so simple?
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July 30, 2011 9:41pm
nasska

Luc

The Tuhoe red herring went that a way.

The mistake made by the imperial powers was to divide their former empires along religious & then ethnic lines but ignore the tribal factions & age old allegiances. If left to their own devices much of the fertile crescent would split along these lines. The result would be many small Islamic fiefdoms squabbling amongst themselves as they have for ages past.

They would be happy with small tribal wars & we could get on with living life.
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July 30, 2011 9:43pm
mikenmild

I’m not so sure about polygamy. I think one wife at a time is more than enough for most guys.
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July 30, 2011 9:45pm
Luc Hansen

mikenmild

It”s not that slow. Currently, sea level rise refugees are being accommodated as IDPs. I use the terms refugees and IDPs interchangeably.

The rate has doubled from last century. On NASA’s latest measurements, unfortunately from a satellite less than a decade in operation, the rate of ice mass loss has doubled in the last 8 years, which implies a sea level rise of perhaps five metres this century.

Just how fast is fast?

Are we really going to rebuild CHCH in situ?
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July 30, 2011 9:46pm
Hurf Durf

Hey Hurf, Erdogan won just over 50% of the vote. And his third win in a row, after being released from the jail of the generals.

Fantastic. What’s that got to do with the price of beans?

One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.

Yes, I can see how such a religion would be attractive to a far-left extremist. And here I was, thinking all organised religion was a regrettable little social construct. You’re a fan of that concept, right?
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July 30, 2011 9:49pm
Luc Hansen

nasska said

The mistake made by the imperial powers was to divide their former empires along religious & then ethnic lines

What ignorant crap!

The British just drew convenient lines, in some cases even cutting through villages!

Have you ever read a book by a non-western historian or commentator?

And the rest of your post illustrates what I keep pointing out here: the ideology of the “White Man’s Burden’ is alive and well in Kiwiblogosphere!
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July 30, 2011 9:51pm
mikenmild

I’m not saying it won’t be a serious problem, but in terms of large amounts of refugees I’m not sure that it will be worse than what we see periodicially from wars and famines, etc.
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July 30, 2011 9:51pm
reid

Luc thanks for the acknowledgement I’m on the right track but you missed out the bit where I asked you about calamity levels and timeframes and I’m puzzled so could you fill us in, calamity level and timeframe wise?

Ta.
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July 30, 2011 9:55pm
nasska

Luc

..”The British just drew convenient lines, in some cases even cutting through villages!”.

They were lines on a map.

…”Have you ever read a book by a non-western historian or commentator?”…

No.

…”the “White Man’s Burden’ is alive and well in Kiwiblogosphere!”…

Yes
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July 30, 2011 9:56pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, surely a far left extremist is, in your terms, socialist?

Muslims are not socialist!

Have you ever looked at Islamic Finance?
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July 30, 2011 9:57pm
Hurf Durf

Did I ever equate the two concepts?

Once again, Mr Hansen, your insanity has clouded your judgement and resulted in your regurgitation of discredited postcolonial lunacy. That beer must have really got into your bloodstream.
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July 30, 2011 10:02pm
joana

So the simplicity appeals does it Luc ? That figures.
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July 30, 2011 10:06pm
Luc Hansen

nasska

You condemn yourself.

mikenmild/reid

Let’s look at a one metre sea level rise. Even the conservative current estimates, given the BAU scenario, are for a sea level rise of 1m by, say, 2060. And they don’t estimate the effect of melting ice because it is an unknown quantity!

That will displace about 200 million (from memory) Bangladeshis purely from intruding water, let alone economic distress.

Additionally, 600 million people live in cities at threat of inundation from a one metre sea level rise.

Someone said Long Island will become Short Island.
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July 30, 2011 10:09pm
Viking2

Gillard has just chopped the malingerers and the too fat to work types. Gees that will cause an influx of them back here. Close the gates.

AN estimated four out of every 10 people currently eligible for the Disability Support Pension would fail to qualify for the payment under sweeping reforms to the welfare benefit to be unveiled by the Gillard government today.

In the biggest ever crackdown on the burgeoning DSP, the government will today publish proposed new “impairment tables” used to judge who is eligible to claim the benefit, worth $729.30 a fortnight for singles.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gillard-tightens-disability-pension/story-fn59niix-1226104617671
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July 30, 2011 10:10pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf Durf (2,799) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 8:06 pm

Hey GrumpyOldIdiot, good news for you, all the leaders of the Turkish General Staff have resigned which has likely neutered the armed forces, the central plank for Turkish secularism. You can go and sign up to their Army now, though you might be disappointed when you get shipped off to Iran after Erdogan’s neo-Ottoman inclinations get the better of him.

I’m trying to work out what Hurf’s problem is with my response.

Turkey’s secularism was dependent on the oppression of the army, according to Hurf. And I agree. Now Turkey is realising the wishes of the majority of its people. Surely Hurf, a dedicated democrat, should be celebrating?

And nasska, ask Tama Iti if that is a red herring!
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July 30, 2011 10:15pm
Scott Chris

@Luc Hansen (2,935) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 9:41 pm

“And why should a Muslim nation be secularist? One thing I admire about Islam is that it encapsulates everything humans need: moral guidance and a legal system.”

Lol Luc, you’re bending over backwards so far you could do da limbo eh!
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July 30, 2011 10:17pm
Viking2

Rodders (1,112) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 6:29 pm

viking2 @3.15pm – why do provide a link to a “blog” that makes cowardly attacks on DPF ?

For this reason.

grumpyoldhori (1,942) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:29 am

Pete George is right, there are those of the extreme right in NZ who take great joy in the killing of some kids by a cowardly crusader who when the cops arrived did not even have the guts to take them on.

And yes we do have some very sick puppies in this country from the extreme right.

Go read what Red has to say. Stupid old hori was clearly suggesting that people from the extreme right supported the killing of 76 people.
Well Red is considered by many as extreme right. So read what he has to say about the coward that performed those executions.

Apart from that DPF is very capable of defending himself if the need arises and is well capable of demriting RED and others when he considers it appropriate. Meanwhile many of us like to read widely and consider others opinions. Pity a lot more don’t.
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July 30, 2011 10:19pm
Hurf Durf

I’d like to make an appropriate analogy so you can wrap your tiny intellect around these concerns more easily, but you’d have a little cry about Godwin’s Law so I won’t bother.

Let’s just say it’s not as simple as it plays out in Lucworld, but as Joana says, it figures that simplicity appeals to you.
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July 30, 2011 10:19pm
mikenmild

Luc

They’re Turks. Military dictatorship or Islamo-facists. We can’t lose – there’ll always be a reason to hate them.
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July 30, 2011 10:20pm
Luc Hansen

Correction: the figure above should have been 20 million.

Export Dry is such a lovely drop!
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July 30, 2011 10:21pm
Rodders

joana @ 10:06pm – unfair comment. Luc’s opinions may not be everyones’s cup of tea, but he does provide reasoning for why he has formed his views.

V2 @ 10:19pm – Redbaiter was a obnoxious arsehole and I’m glad he is gone from here.
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July 30, 2011 10:21pm
Hurf Durf

Excuse me, Milktoast, I would appreciate it if you ceased using such loaded and inaccurate terminology. It’s sad you’ve made such common cause with a violent extremist.
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July 30, 2011 10:25pm
mikenmild

V2

Redbaiter’s argument boils down to blaming socialists for everything, either directly through stalinist regimes or indirectly by provoking mass murderers in Norway.
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July 30, 2011 10:26pm
sbk

“Have you ever looked at Islamic Finance?”…?.

…shit,Luc,have you…?
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July 30, 2011 10:28pm
Viking2

Luc, please keep up. AGW has been completely and utterly discredited and as each day goes by more and more scurrilous altered information is exposed.
The emperor has no clothes anymore.
Even the press has given up talking about it.
the Carbon market has collapsed.
The USA can’t afford it.
BMW’s use less carbon than Prious.
Windmills ain’t economic without stealing from the taxpayer to subsidize them.
The list goes on.

Oh and by the way, shouldn’t you give up beer??
Think of the carbon saving you would make.
we could all then have an extra beer.
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July 30, 2011 10:30pm
Luc Hansen

sbk

Yes.

There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.

Yes, guys and gals, one day our descendants will live in such a world!

Don’t ask me what shape it will be – hopefully not pear-shaped.
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July 30, 2011 10:37pm
Viking2

Rodders (1,113) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:21 pm

V2 @ 10:19pm – Redbaiter was a obnoxious arsehole and I’m glad he is gone from here.

yep he could be but he had a clear point of view.

In his post today he is very clear about what he thinks of the actions of that individual. Actions which the old hori insinuated that people like Red are capable of. Not only was it cowardly but it was also untrue as you would see if you read the post.
Grumpy continually tries these smears on and the runs away to milk the cows.

Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away.

mm
Well what’s wrong with that logic? He demonstrates its truth quite ably. Go argue it with him if you are capable of refuting what he says. But that would be tooo hard wouldn’t it!
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July 30, 2011 10:39pm
Rodders

V2 said “Problem is that you refuse to think about what he says in any depth because it doesn’t suit your comfortable existence and by the time you do it will be to late they will have come to take you away”

I’m afraid Google Translate can’t cope with that gem 🙂
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July 30, 2011 10:41pm
Viking2

Luc Hansen (2,938) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

There are some very attractive aspects to it. Muslims do not pay interest under Islamic Finance. It has huge potential for a post-capitalist world. No more usury.

Really, I don’t think you have checked this out at all. There is always a quid pro quo. No religious organization lets ypu off without paying a tithe somehow.
Oh it may not be called interest but it is extracted. After all they learnt it from the Catholics from whence they came.
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July 30, 2011 10:42pm
mikenmild

V2

Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.
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July 30, 2011 10:42pm
Viking2

Rodders (1,114) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:41 pm

V2 said “Problem is that you refuse to think .
Yep got it in one.
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July 30, 2011 10:43pm
Luc Hansen

V2

Almost all developed nations are governed by one of two conservative political parties, including Kiwiland.

Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)

Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.

Helen’s biggest mistake.

I’ll get back to you soon on your carbon rant.
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July 30, 2011 10:45pm
Viking2

mikenmild (1,431) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:42 pm

Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.

Well not from me although they are all descended from the same religious cult, just had differences in interpretation and power along the way. Nothing’s changed.
Still a battle for riches and power.
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July 30, 2011 10:46pm
Rodders

No V2. I just find you condescending.
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July 30, 2011 10:48pm
Luc Hansen

V2 has read “The Merchant of Venice” and got confused.
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July 30, 2011 10:49pm
sbk

“There are some very attractive aspects to it.”…depends..,but usually,it ends up funding the extremists.
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July 30, 2011 10:52pm
Viking2

Luc Hansen (2,939) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:45 pm

Perhaps Gillard understands her tenure may be shorter than the nominal parliamentary term, so she is setting out to do some dirty work for her successors (like cutting free fruit for school kids. Yes, really! 70c per day per kid. Sooo expensive!)

And also unnecessary, even in NZ. Stealing from the taxpayer should be made a capital offense. In this case its often twice, once for a benefit and again to feed the kid. Take it out of the benefit.

Just like Labour should have done in its last term. It was dog tucker from a long way out. It should have instituted a comprehensive CGT and a good hike to the minimum wage.

CGT will not produce any tax of any magnitude. Plenty of research for you to look up and I am not going to do your work for you. So when it failed to produce the required many millions where are you going to get the next lot from??
Oh that’s right you will raise the minimum wage so you can tax those poor bastards if they still have a job to go to,more as they suffer from bracket creep. Just like that Masterful “Poor Prick Cullen” did to everyone.

You don’t think about consequences do you??

Helen’s biggest mistake. Accepting Cullen as Minister of finance. Raising the tax rates.
Killed NZ commerce dead in the water. Now look where we are.
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July 30, 2011 10:56pm
Luc Hansen

V2

So do you question the validity of the science or just the effectiveness of policy options?
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July 30, 2011 10:56pm
reid

Next we’ll be hearing it’s part of the Jewish conspiracy that reid was on about earlier.

It had nothing to do with Jews in any way whatsoever, as you’d know mm, if you’d watched more than 0.1% of it.

Until you’ve watched the entire thing, I won’t be responding to your questions or comments on it, and one understands, that may never happen.
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July 30, 2011 10:59pm
Viking2

V2 has read “The Merchant of Venice” and got confused.

ah no.

Rodders (1,115) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:48 pm

No V2. I just find you condescending.
tough titty. you are afraid to challenge your thinking that’s all. Play what ifs if you like. Its all the rage.
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July 30, 2011 11:00pm
Rodders

I am so grateful that V2 comes here to address us lesser mortals.
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July 30, 2011 11:01pm
Luc Hansen

V2

You like a zero tax system?

You know, back in the old days, one just raised a posse or an army when one could, if one could afford to pay.

Yes?
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July 30, 2011 11:05pm
Viking2

Luc Hansen (2,941) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 10:56 pm

So do you question the validity of the science or just the effectiveness of policy options?

Well the science is thoroughly discredited now (you haven’t noticed of course), so now that is the case then policy issues are no longer relevant.

Perhaps we could get on with deciding what policy is appropriate to deal with the earths naturally changing dynamics, e.g. Droughts, Famines,too much rain, La Nina and El nino, denuding the land of its forests to the detrement of both people and the land.
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July 30, 2011 11:07pm
Viking2

Rodders (1,116) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:01 pm

I am so grateful that V2 comes here to address us lesser mortals.

Thankyou I appreciate that.

The mind is like a parachute, only any good when it is open.

Sure you have heard that before and its still true.
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July 30, 2011 11:13pm
Luc Hansen

sbk

Depends on your concept of extremist, don’t you think?

For example, Hezbollah was formed to resist Israel’s invasion and belligerent occupation of Lebanon, which was intended to realise the longstanding Zionist desire to make the Litani River Israel’s northern border.

They are mainstream Muslims. Are they extremists?
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July 30, 2011 11:13pm
Rodders

“The mind is like a parachute, only any good when it is open”

At both ends? 😉
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July 30, 2011 11:14pm
Viking2

Luc Hansen (2,942) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:05 pm

You like a zero tax system?

You know, back in the old days, one just raised a posse or an army when one could, if one could afford to pay.

Just like the Muslims do now??

Well no.
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July 30, 2011 11:15pm
Hurf Durf

Puke’s support for extremist Hezbollah just shows how extremist Mr Hansen is. And yet, he is incapable of recognising this. Sad.
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July 30, 2011 11:19pm
Luc Hansen

V2 said

Well the science is thoroughly discredited now

Really?

Which national science academy agrees with that?
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July 30, 2011 11:21pm
Viking2

Other peoples idea’s are just as valid as yours.
The test is to challenge both.
The yardstick is where your beliefs are.

Are they in the right place or do they need to change based on new learning?
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July 30, 2011 11:24pm
Rodders

G’nite gentlemen

P.S. here is some bedtime listening (there’s Bertrand Russell there too)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00729d9
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July 30, 2011 11:26pm
Luc Hansen

The mind is like a parachute, only any good when it is open.

“Always keep an open mind,” said Bertrand Russell, “but never so open that others can fill it with rubbish.”

Kiwiblog excels in rubbish.

Hurf, I take it you would have been fervently opposed to the actions of the French Resistance?
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July 30, 2011 11:26pm
Viking2

Which national science academy agrees with that?
Watch and see as the funding is closed off.
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July 30, 2011 11:28pm
Other_Andy

New NASA Data Blow Gaping Hole In Global Warming Alarmism

In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth’s atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space. Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth’s atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space than the alarmist computer models predict.
http://blogs.forbes.com/jamestaylor/2011/07/27/new-nasa-data-blow-gaping-hold-in-global-warming-alarmism/
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July 30, 2011 11:28pm
Luc Hansen

# Viking2 (4,589) Says:
July 30th, 2011 at 11:24 pm

Other peoples idea’s are just as valid as yours.
The test is to challenge both.
The yardstick is where your beliefs are.

Are they in the right place or do they need to change based on new learning?

Is this aimed at me?

If so, what in modern science entails belief, pray tell?
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July 30, 2011 11:29pm
Viking2

“Always keep an open mind,” said Bertrand Russell, “but never so open that others can fill it with rubbish.”

Like Global warming??

Seems you should have listened to the man. You have been conned in the biggest con ever perpetuated on the population of the world other than of course Religion.
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July 30, 2011 11:30pm
Viking2

Luc. no.
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July 30, 2011 11:32pm
Hurf Durf

Extremist Luc Hansen fails to see the stupidity of his moral equivilency. Of course, he enjoys this: more than once Mr Hansen has compared the FR to the Taliban, an organisation that hangs children on suspicion of spying. Mr Hansen’s tacit support for these heinous acts only build on existing concerns about his well-founded extremism.
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July 30, 2011 11:34pm
wreck1080

is it racist to mispronounce Maori words in front of Maori work colleagues ?
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July 30, 2011 11:36pm
Hurf Durf

Golly gee whiz, Batman, I need to work on my sentence structure. Mr Hansen’s extremism is illogical and foolish. Sort it out, Hurf.
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July 30, 2011 11:43pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf, you obviously haven’t caught up with the documented atrocities of the FR.

Not on the same scale as the Taliban, for sure, and I do not defend the Taliban for that.

But we have killed far more Afghans that the Taliban ever have, with our guns and our bombs.

How do you justify that?
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July 30, 2011 11:48pm
Luc Hansen

V2

Ah ha.

No refutation of the actual science, then?

Pity.

There’s a Nobel Prize waiting.
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July 30, 2011 11:50pm
Hurf Durf

Mr Hansen’s refusal to explicitely condemn heinous terrorist actions by organisations he refers to as “national liberation groups,” presumably to hark back to his wasted youth, reflect his delusion and his preparedness to apologise for criminal acts. Additionally, his moral equivilency refuses to allow him to clearly view his extremism through a prism of stability. This equivilency likely stems from a naive idealism developed during the afore-mentioned wasted youth.
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July 30, 2011 11:58pm
Luc Hansen

Hurf uses the term ‘terrorism’ as a tactic to forestall the use of the other “t” word, “thinking”.

And Hurf knows full well that I condemn all attacks on civilians.

But, in the world according to Hurf, there are civilians and there are, well civilians. Some civilians are more civilian that others, yes?

The FR executed many, many civilians suspected of collaborating with the Nazis – as we all would, in those circumstances.

And does Hurf condemn the atrocities of Israel, even before Israel became a recognised state? From expelling Britain to Deir Yassin to Cast Lead, Israel is founded upon terrorist actions.

But that’s OK, in the world according to Hurf.

As regards Afghanistan, who cannot but sympathise with the poor civilians, interminably, it seems to us, caught in conflict outside of their control. But short of massive, and I mean massive, occupation, how can we remake the country in our own image?

Instead, we just kill, kill, kill and make things even worse.

Such is the white man’s burden.
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July 31, 2011 12:29am
Hurf Durf

The FR executed many, many civilians suspected of collaborating with the Nazis – as we all would, in those circumstances.

…Did you just try and use an oblique reference to the FR to excuse the execution of children by extremists?

That’s low, even for you.
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July 31, 2011 1:06am
sbk

“They are mainstream Muslims.”…” Are they extremists?”

just to make sure we are on the same channel…are you saying that Hezbollah’s stated aim off wiping Israel off the map is mainstream Muslim thinkihg ?

PS define extremist.
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July 31, 2011 1:23am
Luc Hansen

I must have missed that one.

But isn’t that ascribed to Ahmadinejad?

he’s the President of Iran, in case you missed it.

PS You define extremist.

You’re the one throwing the word around!
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July 31, 2011 1:30am
sbk

“I must have missed that one.”…yep…
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