General Debate 22 July 2011

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Viking2

Waited for years. Now get back to work you dogs.
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July 22, 2011 8:12am
Viking2

Just been talking to one of the world wide house removal co.’s
Busy as anything. Shipping peoples household stuff to Aussie.
Accords with people I meet daily with my work and many of the local businessplaces. Workshops that I have been to in the last week all without work.

There is no up turn around this area. Quite the reverse.
So. how is it that economists everywhere are able to foretell that its all getting better and the recession is all over.
The sooner those people are made redundant the better.

Further Winz are now behaving like clowns.
They are absolutley refusing to assist anyone which is leaving good people in dire straits.
Same tatics as last time the Nats. were in power.
If the Nats margin is narrowing then they have themselves to blame.

Some will say good job. Most know that I take a tough line with this but what I’ve seen in the last few days makes me ashamed to be a kiwi taxpayer.
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July 22, 2011 8:23am
Sofia

But the real frenzy isn’t the exposure of the scandal – it’s the scale of corruption, collusion and cover-up between News International, politicians and police that the scandal has revealed. As the cast of hacking victims, blaggers and blackmailers has lengthened, and the details of the incestuous payments and job-swapping between News International, government and Scotland Yard become more complex, it’s easy to lose sight of the bigger picture that is now emerging.
If it were not for the uncovering of this cesspit, the Cameron government would be preparing to nod through the outright takeover of BSkyB by News International, taking its dominance of Britain’s media and political world into Silvio Berlusconi territory. But what has been exposed now goes well beyond the hacking of murder victims and dead soldiers’ families – or even the media itself. The scandal has lifted the lid on how power is really exercised in 21st-century Britain – in which the unreformed City and its bankers play a central part.
– http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jul/20/scandal-exposed-scale-elite-corruption

“… in which the unreformed City and its bankers play a central part.”
Oops, no one tell the Water Woman
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July 22, 2011 8:23am
Manolo

A lefty’s highest aspirations for his children: Bugger public schools, let’s go private.
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2011/07/20/exclusive-emanuel-to-send-kids-to-u-of-c-lab-school/
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July 22, 2011 8:35am
Pete George

Super choice 60-70?

United Future are having a crack at a peripheral issue on National Super, but if they can address the problem of pushing Super out of reach for some people by allowing an early age option then it may make it easier to address the over all age and costs problem.

United Future look at Super
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July 22, 2011 8:45am
hj

coffee table t bus stop, promotes interaction.
http://vimeo.com/25165858
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July 22, 2011 8:54am
hj

Biculturalism is an unhealthy forced marriage between the open society, and its enemies.
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July 22, 2011 8:55am
The Gantt Guy

Manolo, you know as well as I do the liberal elite don’t eat their own dog food. Public schools are for Other People. Public transport is for Other People. Socialised health care is for Other People. Socialised “services” provide a convenient means for the liberal elite to clip the ticket on each dollar they thieve from the productive.
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July 22, 2011 8:57am
hj

the actions of students In Riccarton and police response is not new. I remember a milkman complaining about the son of a judge being let off after having been caught stealing milk money (would be bad for his career). Then there were the “good kids” (son of a prominent lawyer) who were let off after mowing down a security guard with Dads 4×4, outside Chch Girls High School (leaving him critically injured) etc, etc. What’s more these parties don’t just happen, the stereos are given a good blatt in the afternoons before the party cranks up. When noise control leave they crank it up louder.
Mind you it’s good for urban renewal: all those syndicates owning the run down properties of Riccarton? 😉

Attn David Garret: who makes these laws that say they have 2 hours to comply and after a week they are back in credit and can do it again; Geoffrey (“prison shouldn’t be for punishment”) Palmer?
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July 22, 2011 9:05am
david

Did anyone else hear Phil Goff say this morning that he refused to get a briefing on the “Israelis in ChCh” story? His reason – That knowing the truth would inhibit his ability to ask public questions and try to embarrass the Government. WTF?
The guy is certifiable
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July 22, 2011 9:24am
Falafulu Fisi

Cloak could hide ships from flowing water
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July 22, 2011 9:26am
hj

In search of fuel efficiency cars get lighter. This is good for cyclists as it is akin to a lack of protection in the Japanese WW2 zeros?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car#cite_note-gas2.org-2
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July 22, 2011 9:37am
Manolo

..you know as well as I do the liberal elite don’t eat their own dog food.

Dead right.
The left is populated by liars, busybodies, do-gooders, and hypocrites. Closer to home, that Maori “radical” Willie Jackson is an excellent example of the latter.
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July 22, 2011 9:41am
Inventory2

@ David; Goff’s double standard on this issue is damning. Who sat on the Darren Hughes affair until it broke in the media? And yet he expected John Key to be open and transparent over the SIS investigation. Sorry Phil, but you can’t have it both ways:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/07/double-standard.html
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July 22, 2011 9:42am
krazykiwi

@The Gantt Guy. Bullseye. Welcome!
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July 22, 2011 9:47am
Nookin

David @ 9.24
Got a link?
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July 22, 2011 10:02am
david

Nookin I heard it on ZB news. The item included a voice clip of Goff. You might be able to pick it up on Newstalk ZB’s website. Sorry I can’t check as my network PC has sound disabled.
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July 22, 2011 10:11am
Pete George

Here is Goff on the SIS:

However Labour leader Phil Goff’s critical of the move.

“Clearly the Prime Minister has been embarrassed by this, he hasn’t disclosed this to New Zealanders,” he told Newstalk ZB. “Now he’s launching a witch hunt to find the person that’s responsible for telling New Zealanders what that that person obviously felt New Zealanders deserved to know.”

Mr Goff says it’s highly unusual for its members to leak material to journalists.

“Perhaps that indicated the degree of frustration that exists within that organisation when a Government and a Prime Minister is not being open with the public.”

He says he’s not convinced by John Key’s explanations but won’t be asking for a formal briefing at this stage.

“To be briefed when the Government has kept this to itself and hasn’t been straight with the public would minimise the opportunity I have now to raise questions on behalf of New Zealanders as a whole.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=200916
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July 22, 2011 11:00am
KevinH

Goff is known as a Palestinian sympathiser: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=3504201, therefore his criticisms of John Key come as no surprise.
Goff is under some deluded impression that there is more to come on the untimely and regretful deaths of Israeli nationals in the Christchurch quake, some sort of sinister alternative to their visit to New Zealand. Under the circumstances it would be more appropriate to send condolences to the families of the deceased, however Goff has not done that.
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July 22, 2011 11:29am
Pete George

Labour’s ownourown.org.nz website has had a few problems, and still has. One is just bullshit:

Labour will re-engineer the tax system to bring New Zealand in line with the rest of the developed world, so those who can afford the least aren’t supporting those who could contribute more.

Those that can “afford the least” are being supported, they’re not supporting others.

And on the procurement page that they’ve now added, apart from being a weak wishywashy policy that is quickly fading from notice, they haven’t come up with their final solution yet, the page ends with:

Labour’s Solution

* Labour will require government departments and agencies to consider the
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July 22, 2011 11:36am
Sonny Blount

Some cyclists are right twats:

Mr Morgan told Coroner Gordon Matenga that making high-visibility clothing mandatory for cyclists could discourage people from cycling altogether, which could lead to an increase in widespread health problems from inactivity.

It would also send a message to people that cycling was more dangerous than it really was, he said.

“Some people have a personal preference that they don’t want to dress in that manner, and we need to be really cautious about anything that makes it seem dorky or un-cool.

“It can be a barrier to what is overall an extremely healthy activity.”

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Mr Morgan said making high-visibility compulsory would also shift responsibility for preventing crashes between cars and bikes towards the cyclist.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5320952/Inquest-into-death-of-eight-cyclists-begins
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July 22, 2011 12:15pm
nasska

Sonny Blount

…”Some cyclists are right twats:”….

You have a gift for understatement. At the same time the road lice are indicating that high visibility clothing would make them look like the dorks many of them are they moot lowering speed limits & ten yearly retesting of drivers.

It would seem that everyone else should be inconvenienced so that a small group of self righteous health nuts can carry on with ignoring lanes, lights, give way signs, stop signs & pedestrians as is their wont.
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July 22, 2011 12:39pm
hj

Of course on the road the motorist has the moral high ground commensurate with the relative mass of vehicle and passenger. If resource depletion is an issue (not that I’m suggesting it is) and if global warming is an issue (not that I’m suggesting it is) the moral argument comes tumbling down. 😉
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July 22, 2011 1:42pm
Johnboy

Maybe Morgan has a point about cyclists wearing really dorky clothing! 🙂

http://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-pQI-6RBISLI/Tf6nF-NJvGI/AAAAAAAAA5A/D9au2mq_t6o/s1600/why-bike-shorts-should-be-black.jpg&imgrefurl=http://bikehabit.blogspot.com/2009/12/top-10-anti-dorkgeeknerd-cycling-tips.html&usg=__fNQbnZlOlf8P0YRsQ8UDfL9eqKw=&h=432&w=648&sz=63&hl=en&start=30&zoom=1&tbnid=Yuu2nizMTBa1rM:&tbnh=132&tbnw=209&ei=NtUoToXoC4HsmAXq-bT6Cw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddorky%2Bcyclist%2Bclothing%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1384%26bih%3D730%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=271&vpy=230&dur=5184&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=168&ty=76&page=2&ndsp=32&ved=1t:429,r:25,s:30&biw=1384&bih=730
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July 22, 2011 1:43pm
nasska

Johnboy

A picture is worth a thousand words. Who would feel bad about lining one of them up with the bonnet ornament & nudging them into the next world?
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July 22, 2011 1:49pm
lastmanstanding

David (silent T) has confrimed that Kiwisaver funds that trade shares will pay 15% on their capital gains. So as most savers are in funds that have an NZ or O/seas share component there will be a significant reduction in the growth of their capital.

the longer to 65 the worse. Its a cumulative tax. A 25/30 year old will lose 15% of each dollar of capital gain over a 35 to 40 year period.

the compounding effect will be staggering. Are there any Actuaries out there who can do the sums.

The only issue is who is a share trader. The IRD have never clarified how many share trades a year makes for a share trader. Now they will have to set a number.

Say its 10. I and others will make sure we trade our best capital gain shares up to the 10 and pay 15% rather than the marginal rate of 39% proposed by Labour.

the net result will see less trades and less capital flows thru the market defeating what Labour et al want to see.

Again more unintended consquences from dunb morons who dont understand the market and market participants
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July 22, 2011 2:23pm
Pete George

This is a funny example of changing stories. Note the URL.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/5326648/National-will-fight-Dunne-for-Ohariu

Then see the headline.
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July 22, 2011 4:19pm
RightNow

Why do so many white people get lost skiing? It’s hard to find them in the snow.
What’s white and twelve inches long? nothing!
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July 22, 2011 4:42pm
plebe

I love Darwins law, cuts down on dumb sperm producers, This person was facing extinction
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5327456/Russian-Roulette-victim-lost-way-in-life
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July 22, 2011 5:08pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gb5yJ1Y2WGo
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July 22, 2011 5:31pm
Viking2

THE YOUTH UNEMPLOYMENT SCANDAL

We think of countries like France and the United States as having shocking rates of youth unemployment (see my Friday Graph of 15 July for the United States). And indeed they do. In those countries youth unemployed as a percent of total unemployed is around 25%. This is a far higher rate than in earlier decades when labour markets were less regulated.

But the chart shows that it is New Zealand that stands out with youth unemployment being 45% of total unemployment, the worst outcome in the OECD.

http://rogerkerr.wordpress.com/2011/07/22/friday-graph-the-youth-unemployment-scandal/
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July 22, 2011 5:46pm
krazykiwi

@V2 – that is disgraceful isn’t it?!? A morally bankrupt pursuit of increased voters
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July 22, 2011 5:54pm
Johnboy

“But the chart shows that it is New Zealand that stands out with youth unemployment being 45% of total unemployment, the worst outcome in the OECD.”

All our stats turned to shit when we stopped sending primary kids down’t pit lad. 🙂
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July 22, 2011 6:45pm
Viking2

I knew it. Kiwisaver will have to pay CGT. That will go down well with the Labour voters.
hahaha

Hawkins said KiwiSaver and a variety of other retirement and superannuation schemes currently don’t pay CGT on share trading on all NZ shares, and nor do they do so on most Australian listed equities.

A written response from Labour finance spokesman David Cunliffe to Hawkins says “in circumstances in which there would currently be no tax payable on capital gains, the 15% capital gains tax would tend to apply”. Hawkins maintains this is “very different to the impression that the CGT policy release conveys.” Labour has said KiwiSaver payouts will be exempt from the proposed CGT.

http://www.interest.co.nz/kiwisaver/54523/shareholders-association-concerned-capital-gains-tax-would-hit-young-peoples-kiwisav
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July 22, 2011 6:58pm
nasska

Toddler Miracle Diet.

People are always on the lookout for a new diet. The trouble with most diets is that you don’t get enough to eat (the starvation diet), you don’t get enough variation ( the liquid diet) or you go broke (the all meat diet). Consequently, people tend to cheat on their diets or quit after three days.
Well, now there’s the new Toddler Miracle Diet! Over the years, you may have noticed that most two years olds are trim. Now the formula to their success is available to all in this new diet. You may want to consult your doctor before embarking on this diet, otherwise, you may be seeing him afterwards. Good luck!

—— Day One
Breakfast: One scrambled egg, one piece of toast with jam. Eat two bites of egg using your fingers, dump the rest on the floor. Take one bite of toast then smear the jam over your face and clothes. Lunch: Four crayons (any colour), a handful of potato chips and a glass of milk ( three sips only, then spill the rest). Dinner: A dry stick, two pennies & a ten cent piece, four sips of flat Cocoa Cola. Bedtime snack: Throw a piece of toast on the kitchen floor.

—— Day Two
Breakfast: Pick up stale toast from kitchen floor and eat it. Drink half a bottle of vanilla extract or one vial of vegetable dye. Lunch: Half a tube of “Pulsating Pink” lipstick and a handful of Purina Dog Chow (any flavour). One ice cube, if desired. Afternoon Snack: Lick an all day sucker until sticky, take outside, drop in dirt. Retrieve and continue slurping until it is clean again. Then bring inside and drop on the rug. Dinner: A rock or an uncooked bean, which should be thrust up your left nostril. Pour grape Vita Fresh over mashed potatoes, eat with a spoon.

—- Day Three
Breakfast: Two pancakes with plenty of golden syrup, eat one with fingers, rub in hair. Glass of milk, drink half, stuff other pancake in glass. After breakfast, pick up yesterday’s sucker from rug, lick off fuzz, put it on the cushion of your best chair. Lunch: Three matches, peanut butter and jam sandwich. Spit several bites onto the floor. Pour glass of milk on table and slurp up. Dinner: Dish of ice cream, handful of potato chips, some Ribena. Try to laugh some Ribena through nose, if possible.

— Final Day
Breakfast: A quarter tube of toothpaste (any flavour), bit of soap, an olive. Pour a glass of milk over bowl of cornflakes, add half a cup of sugar. Once cereal is soggy, drink milk and feed cereal to dog. Lunch: Eat bread crumbs off kitchen floor and dining room carpet. Find that sucker and finish eating it. Dinner: A glass of spaghetti and chocolate milk. Leave meatball on plate. Stick of mascara for dessert.
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July 22, 2011 7:01pm
Johnboy

Don’t forget it won’t be long before the family home attracts CGT as well.

The greed of the socialists knows no bounds and they are running out of other things to tax.

Still, who cares, their core voters live in a FREE state house! 🙂
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July 22, 2011 7:04pm
Johnboy

And when you get sick of the mess nasska chuck the little bastards in the clothes dryer or take them to bed with you so you can stop them from crying by rolling over on them with your obese body!
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July 22, 2011 7:07pm
Viking2

Some light releif from John Clark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tDHehQ3NzeY
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July 22, 2011 7:09pm
nasska

Johnboy

Yeah, remember reading about that. Can’t remember which race was involved…must have been a while back.
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July 22, 2011 7:11pm
Johnboy

Yea. It was ah… yesterday I think.
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July 22, 2011 7:14pm
nasska

I was reading in todays paper that the price of lamb has gone up in Australia.

It’s now $35 per hour
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July 22, 2011 7:21pm
Johnboy

Thank Christ I’m a rich prick! 🙂 🙂
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July 22, 2011 7:23pm
Pete George

That confirmation of CGT on Kiwisaver is major, not just because it’s a tax on retirement savings, but it raises much stronger worries about how far Cunliffe will expand CGT’s reach.
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July 22, 2011 7:29pm
Johnboy

As long as they don’t flog off the states assets Pete it’s OK if they tax water and air and put a surtax on any lucky bastard with a dick longer than mine (3 inches).

The state needs your cash to buy votes. If you don’t pay up you are a traitor to your Nation. 🙂
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July 22, 2011 7:35pm
nasska

“Doc, you’ve gotta help me! My wife just isn’t interested
in sleeping with me anymore! No passion, nothing! Haven’t
you got a pill or something I can give her?”

“Look, I can’t prescribe–”

“Doc, we’ve been friends for years. Have you ever seen me
this upset? I am desperate! I can’t think, I can’t
concentrate, my life is utterly falling apart! You’ve got
to help me, man!”

The doctor opens his desk drawer and removes a small bottle
of pills. “Okay, okay. Ordinarily, I wouldn’t do this. These
are experimental. The tests so far indicate that they’re
very powerful. Don’t give her more than one, understand?
Just one.”

“I don’t know, doc, she’s awfully cold.”

“One. No more. In her coffee. Okay?”

“Um… Okay.”

The guy expresses gratitude and leaves for home, where his
wife has dinner waiting. When dinner is finished, she goes
to the kitchen to bring dessert. The man hastily pulls the
pills from his pocket and drops one into his wife’s coffee.
He reflects for a moment, hesitates, then drops in a second
pill.

Then he begins to worry. The doctor did say they were
powerful. Then inspiration strikes — he drops one pill into
his own coffee. His wife returns with the shortcake and they
enjoy their dessert and coffee. Sure enough, a few minutes
after they finish, his wife shudders a little, sighs deeply
and heavily, and a strange look comes over her. In a
near-whisper he has never heard her use before, she says,
“I… need… a man…”

His eyes glitter and his hands tremble as he replies,
“Me… too…”
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July 22, 2011 7:35pm
krazykiwi

Apropros of nothing, I can confirm that last drop of Cotes du Rhone tastes as good as the first. Now, where’s the corkscrew?
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July 22, 2011 7:59pm
Viking2

Quoted by: Ross Greenwood of Money News.

Right now the Federal Government is at pains to tell everyone – including us the mug-punters and the International Monetary Fund, that it will not exceed its own, self-imposed, borrowing limits.

How much? $200 billion. And here’s a worry. If you work in a bank’s money market operation; or if you are a politician; the millions turn into billions and it rolls off the tip of the tongue a bit too easil! y.
But every dollar that is borrowed, so me time, has to be repaid. By you, by me and by the rest of the country.

Just after 5 o’clock tonight I did a bit of maths for Jason Morrison. But it’s so staggering it?s worth repeating now.
First though; here’s what Ex- P.M. Rudd has been saying about – what he calls – these temporary borrowings

Remember Those Words : Temporary Deficit.

The total Government debt could end up around $200 billion.
So here’s a very basic calculation ?.. I used a home loan calculator to work it out….. it’s that simple.
$200 billion is $200,000 million.

The current 10 year Government bond rate is 4.67 per cent. I worked the loan out over a period of 20 years.
Now here’s where it gets scary …… really scary.

The repayments on $200 billion, come to more than one and a quarter billion dollars – every month – for 20 years.
It works out we – as taxpayers – will be repaying $15..4 billion in interest and principal every year . $733 for every man woman and child – every year.

The total interest bill over the 20 years is – get this – $108 billion.
Remember, this is a! Government, that just 18 months ago, had NO debt . NO debt.

In fact it had enough money to create the Future Fund, to pay the future liabilities of public servants’ superannuation..
… and it had enough to stick $20 billion into the Building Australia Fund last year …..

Money News Presenter, Ross Greenwood
_____

You may like to pass it on to your friends to he! lp educate a little?as you, them and me, will be repaying the above.
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July 22, 2011 8:05pm
Hurf Durf

taking its dominance of Britain’s media and political world into Silvio Berlusconi territory.

Or more appropriately, BBC territory. Oh wait, hang on. Can’t mention the fact that advertising for BBC jobs is overwhelmingly in the Guardian either, or that such an arrangement is one of the primary revenue streams for the Guardian Media Group along with Autotrader magazine. Inconvenient truths.

“… in which the unreformed City and its bankers play a central part.”

Wondered how long it would be before the one-eyed hysterical Graun would shoehorn Moneymen into their little grandstanding session. Want to place bets on which other Enemy of the People will wind up blamed next? I think it will be the CEOs of airlines for their evil polluting aeroplanes.

Funny how this article came from that creepy little Chavez apologist Seumas Milne, isn’t it?
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July 22, 2011 8:06pm
reid

The chief of the world’s leading physics lab at CERN in Geneva has prohibited scientists from drawing conclusions from a major experiment. The CLOUD (“Cosmics Leaving Outdoor Droplets”) experiment examines the role that energetic particles from deep space play in cloud formation. CLOUD uses CERN’s proton synchrotron to examine nucleation.

CERN Director General Rolf-Dieter Heuer told Welt Online that the scientists should refrain from drawing conclusions from the latest experiment.

“I have asked the colleagues to present the results clearly, but not to interpret them,” reports veteran science editor Nigel Calder on his blog. Why?

Because, Heuer says, “That would go immediately into the highly political arena of the climate change debate. One has to make clear that cosmic radiation is only one of many parameters.”

The unusual “gagging order” could have been issued because the results of CLOUD are really, really boring, muses Calder. Or, it could be that the experiment invites a politically unacceptable hypothesis on climate.

This is a new category of scientific hypothesizing I haven’t come across before. How interesting. I wonder what the formula is?
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July 22, 2011 9:37pm
reid

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/260164/Uproar-as-BBC-muzzles-climate-change-sceptics
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July 22, 2011 9:41pm
reid

Annette was partially correct.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/8650299/Lions-more-likely-to-eat-people-after-a-full-moon.html

But let’s not tell her about that.
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July 22, 2011 9:45pm
reid

How to get really good value for money in terms of correcting ills in the world, vs. this.
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July 22, 2011 9:53pm
Alan Wilkinson

To get back to important matters, ref Stu Dickinson had another shocker of a game tonight – even if heaps of his mistakes favoured the All Blacks. Let’s hope he is nowhere near any important matches in the RWC.
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July 22, 2011 10:03pm
krazykiwi

reid – re HAMAD… it’s interesting how this (and countless, year-on-year oil wealth excesses) pass without comment while the US’s decision to restrict aid to Somalia because it was being hijacked by warlords is lambasted as unjust, selfish, inhumane etc. In 2007 Abu Dhabi’s oil revenue was $US300m per week. Of this, $100m was spent on ‘infrastructure’, $100m on foreign investments, and $100m went directly to Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed for his casual dispensation to family and Emiraties. Remember with was weekly! I wonder how much when to help the needy in the region?
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July 22, 2011 10:13pm
reid

kk my theory for the root cause of this phenomena to which you accurately point is: the world is mental. The whole world is completely fucked in the head.

I mean…

We must be, to tolerate the completely, transparently superficial misdirected mind-numbing bollocks this world calls the fucking MSM.

It has to be them – the MSM, otherwise it’s us. And if it’s us, how come some of us can do all that clever shit like put a man on the moon and all that, if all we’re apparently inherently interested in, is who Tom Cruise woke up with last night in a Wyoming dumpster?
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July 22, 2011 11:21pm
Manolo

Could this be another kind present from the followers of the “religion of peace”?
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/23/world/europe/23oslo.html?_r=2&hp
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July 23, 2011 6:27am

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