General Debate 19 July 2011

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SouthernRight

1st from down South
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July 19, 2011 8:05am
starboard

you need to get out more….
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July 19, 2011 8:27am
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv/5304708/Sainsbury-apologises-for-Close-Up-story

Sainsbury apologises and hopes it will all go away (much like Campbell’s little indiscretion did a few years ago). This is simply not good enough- NZ public deserves better from their much vaunted ‘media’…Integrity anyone?
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July 19, 2011 8:28am
Murray

Saying sorry does not excuse theft and “inspiration” of this sort will end an academic career in a heartbeat.

BIG fine for Close Up and a written censure for whoever produced it. Looking closley at Sainsbury at this point.
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July 19, 2011 8:42am
Manolo

The vile face of a savage animal: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5304080/Killer-scalds-prison-guard
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July 19, 2011 8:47am
Inventory2

Another offender flees police, crashes and dies, and the media bangs on about “police pursuits”. When will the MSM report these things in a way in which the responsibility is sheeted on the bad guy, not the police who are just doing their sworn duty?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/07/misleading-headlines.html
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July 19, 2011 8:50am
dog_eat_dog

Murray, do you recall a certain high-profile University of Auckland author and professor who was not punished for plagiarism in the last couple of years?
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July 19, 2011 8:51am
starboard

“William, or Wiremu, Pokai Haare, 45, was sentenced in April to life imprisonment for the murder of Kelly Noema at a Newtown halfway house in August 2009”

..you only highlited it Manolo ‘cos he’s ‘mouldy’
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July 19, 2011 8:56am
Murray

YA THINK????

Just lets not play guess the colour on that one dog.
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July 19, 2011 8:57am
starboard

“Another offender flees police, crashes and dies, ”

..but this makes me happy. Whats the bet his name is something like Tainuiai Mohahihiiti ..
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July 19, 2011 9:04am
annie

Labour Department question: wtf is going on here?

– Today’s Dominion Post carries a pic of Tekapo Church of the Good Shepherd defaced by a handrail installed at Labour Dept insistence – apparently only a fraction of the methods they are trying to force the churct to take. Lots of good input and followup from the Labour Dept – maybe someone sprained their ankle and they leapt into action to protect tourists from themselves.

– Also in today’s Dom Post in the Pike River report – currently only ONE mines inspector for the entire country, down from the usual grand total of two. 29 dead, but hey, the attitude seems to be, working class boys from the coast, who gives a shit?

A spot of re-prioritizing seems to be in order.
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July 19, 2011 9:14am
mikenmild

annie

Noticed in the Dom this morning the Labour Dept guy giving evidence said their Minister, Kate Wilkinson, ‘ignored recommendations to tighten safety in small mines in an October 2009 briefing paper’.
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July 19, 2011 9:19am
Right of way is Way of Right

Offender in a stolen car dies after a police pursuit is called off, crashes in to another car. Fortunately the occupant of the other car was shaken but unhurt. This is a few days after the Police STG save a womans life by shooting the man holding her hostage with a firearm.

So, what happens? The usual wailing and gnashing of teeth from those who think they know better. Especially in regard to the shooting death.

I know a member of the STG, who has been involved in a couple of high profile actions. And let me tell you, the shooting of a suspect is the action of last resort. The final decision on whether to shoot or not is invariably predicated on the actions of the suspect. The suspect is offered many opportunities to surrender, to end the incident without bloodshed.

And it is the police officer who has to live with the consequences of the actions of the suspect if it all goes wrong!
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July 19, 2011 9:26am
Right of way is Way of Right

Meanwhile, at a state school in Orewa, the IPAD2 has been placed on the stationery list for next term! Are they kidding? Some parents can barely afford the uniform, and now need to spend 900 odd dollars on an IPAD?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/5304084/Schools-iPad-requirement-divisive
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July 19, 2011 9:30am
hj

Why should we pay for information about who owns a property , how much they paid for it and what its rateable value is? Don’t markets work better if people have information? All the authorities need to do is maintain a website.
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July 19, 2011 9:30am
mikenmild

hj

Didn’t the local authority valuation rolls used to be publicly available?
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July 19, 2011 9:39am
MT_Tinman

I note Orewa School claim the iPad decision is based on battery time.

I purchased my most recent laptop based on the same reason.

How long does the iPad battery last between charges?
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July 19, 2011 9:45am
voice of reason

“July 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Meanwhile, at a state school in Orewa, the IPAD2 has been placed on the stationery list for next term! Are they kidding? ”

Makes you wonder who is clipping the ticket on this? Why an IPAD specifically? There are many better / lower cost alternatives for tablet devices. In any case they’ll be redundant in 2 years and need upgrading. Either that or they’ll be stolen, broken or just buggered.
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July 19, 2011 9:47am
wreck1080

How high can the NZ dollar go — eg, could we reach parity against the british pound? It is certainly heading that way.
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July 19, 2011 9:49am
voice of reason

“MT_Tinman (1,465) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I note Orewa School claim the iPad decision is based on battery time”

Thats a bullshit reason – Battery time degrades after a year no matter how careful you are.
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July 19, 2011 9:49am
Murray

I found an exercise book and pen worked well enough voice. Da Vinci had a notebook and charcoal which didn;t seem to slow him down as well.

Battery life is freaken infinate too.
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July 19, 2011 9:55am
Inventory2

@ Tinman – iPad2 battery life is supposed to be 9 hours of use. Still waiting for mine to arrive, so will be able to confirm or deny soon.
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July 19, 2011 10:05am
David Garrett

This is absolute crap on the part of the school…I am a so called “high earner”, and I would have trouble coming up with 900 notes for this….I would if I had to, but the poor bastards on 40,000 a year just won’t be able to.

The kids need to keep up with technology, but this is absurd…
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July 19, 2011 10:14am
tristanb

Some nutjob Mac-fan principal must have thought of this. It’s sad s/he must know absolutely nothing about education.

How the hell does having an overpriced hipster toy help them learn?
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July 19, 2011 10:19am
Scott Chris

@voice of reason (314) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am

My guess is that the decision was based on the fact that the principal owns an ipad and reckons it’s really cool. For around $400 you can purchase a netbook with reasonable processing power and up to 9 hours battery capacity.
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July 19, 2011 10:24am
Murray

I’d be more impressed if they gave each student a knife, a box of matches and packet of rice then dropped them in the bush with a map.

That would help them learn. And thin out potential IRD drones and public service weenies as a bonus.
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July 19, 2011 10:25am
MT_Tinman

I had a cheap netbook with (allegedly) 9 hours life.

It was crap.

I won’t buy iPad because it appears to be damned near unless unless you invest a fortune in “extras” to make it work to potential.

Purchased a Toshiba R6 Protoge G3 that claims 8 hours and gives about five.

I suspect Orewa School are not being overly honest about the reason for the iPad.
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July 19, 2011 10:30am
Murray

Come on this is bogus from start to finish, there’s kickback of some kind going on here and we all know it.
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July 19, 2011 10:44am
pdm

I just stumbled across this at the Herald.

Which party is the most competent manager of the economy?

National 53%
Labour 24%
Greens 2%
Act 1%

Source: TVNZ Colmar Brunton poll of 1000 voters with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 per cent.
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July 19, 2011 10:45am
Lance

Looks like ACT aren’t connecting with the bulk of Kiwis.
The Don and Rodney sideshow didn’t help not to mention the other infighting and sniping.
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July 19, 2011 10:50am
kiwisimplexity

Mexico fires up largest joint
Sorry to all the NORML supporters.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/mexico-fires-up-largest-joint/

http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/
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July 19, 2011 10:52am
MT_Tinman

Murray (7,948) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Come on this is bogus from start to finish, there’s kickback of some kind going on here and we all know it.

Shit I hope so.

Just hope the school teacher involved does not do the usual lefty thing and keep it all for himself instead of donating it to the school.

As an aside, I can think of little better than making parents save and sacrifice to ensure their child’s education is complete so well done that school.
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July 19, 2011 10:52am
David Garrett

Lance: yes…it’s firkin frightening that twice as many voters think the GREENS would manage the economy better than ACT would isnt it? God help us….whatever voters think about ACT I would have thought a goodly proportion thought they would do OK economically…..
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July 19, 2011 11:06am
starboard

“yes…it’s firkin frightening that twice as many voters think the GREENS would manage the economy better than ACT would isnt it? ”

Thats because the bulk of NZ voters are non thinking bone heads who will swing to whomever promises them an extra 10 bucks a week…little do they realise how hard they would be taxed under Wussel and Mut-eria..
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July 19, 2011 11:11am
mikenmild

Maybe it shows that voters never hear anything about economic matters from ACT.
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July 19, 2011 11:18am
starboard

…fair comment.
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July 19, 2011 11:26am
grumpyoldhori

None of you extreme right types have mentioned the race of the mongrel who it seems cut a woman into eight pieces.
Different for some is it ?
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July 19, 2011 12:34pm
Lance

@grumpy
Are there any extreme right types here?

Not being extreme leftist makes some people seem right wing when they are in reality centrist.
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July 19, 2011 12:40pm
annie

Are there any extreme right types here?

um…. As someone who sits definitely right of centre, I would have to say yes, there are some truly gobsmackingly rabid Rand-fanboys posting regularly on this forum. Wait for the next blood-in-the-water post on racial issues or ‘property rights’, then sit back and watch. If your stomach is strong enough.
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July 19, 2011 12:46pm
Murray

Serously hori just fuck off. If and WHEN you suddenly discover that non-Maori, including all the other genetically tanned peoples, have suddenly got to the prime slot of being “over represented in crime stats come back and accuse people of being racist. Fuck off go save some babies instead of being a whinging victim here pal. No sale.

Lance anyone who is an exteme left fucktard is a extreme right whan theres a race card to play.
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July 19, 2011 12:52pm
starboard

he was white hori…whats your point?
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July 19, 2011 1:37pm
starboard

whats your point hori????
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July 19, 2011 1:41pm
mikenmild

It’s kind of irrelevant to mention race when discussing an individual crim. At that level, it’s all about what has fucked up in his life, or how he has fucked up. Race, gender, etc become relevant when we talk about larger groups, as in ‘why are half of the prison inmates Maori, or why is the female rate of offending rising faster than overall rates?’ That’s when we could have a useful discussion.

When comments are to the effect of ‘another Maori crook’ or ‘another white man in jail for fraud’, we don’t really advance any argument at all. GoH was maybe being ironic when he made that comment.
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July 19, 2011 1:43pm
starboard

the mans an idiot and a fool.
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July 19, 2011 1:50pm
David Garrett

Annie: I wont pretend I dont know who Rand was, but I don’t think I could be called ” a rand fan boy” I have certainly never read any of her works.

If you took some time to talk to people in the far north – as I did about two weeks before my political career flamed out – I think you would be shocked at the level of intimidation over beaches and other parts of the foreshore. And that was BEFORE the Takutai Moana Bill was passed.

People being told to “F…off, this is a Maori beach”; people being asked to pay “levies” for using “our” beach (now made perfectly legal under the new Act); in one case a wedding party being asked to pay a fee to use a picturesque bay as a backdrop to wedding photos.

I wager the first time something similar happens to you you might suddenly find its not only “Rand fanboys” who are alarmed at what is happening under the guise of “fair treatement for Maori”
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July 19, 2011 2:32pm
kaya

Presumably there is someone with half a brain at Treasury who has some influence over decision making and they ensure this doesn’t happen.

Inflation set to push interest rates up

The odds of an early start to interest rate rises have strengthened with inflation running hotter than expected in the June quarter.

Financial markets are pricing in an 80 per cent chance of an increase in the official cash rate by October, from its current historic low of 2.5 per cent, and 30 per cent chance of an increase as soon as September.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10739352

The real economy is struggling to keep head above water. Traditionally inflation is caused by too much money chasing too few goods and services. Nothing could be further from the truth right now, ask the majority of retailers and tradesmen.

Inflation (which will get worse before it gets better) at the moment is being caused by speculation in world markets driving up commodity prices. This is a direct result of countries printing money to try and stimulate their economies. It has done nothing of the sort, instead the majority of this money flowed into the markets which rose for a couple of years giving an illusion of moving out of recession. Bollocks. There has been no real growth, only illusion, smoke and mirrors econmystic bullshit statistics.

Strangling the economy further by increasing interest rates will be madness. What say you Mr Bollard?
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July 19, 2011 5:48pm
kiwisimplexity

NewCops.pk
The job description for Pakistani police officers is a bit different than for the Kiwi cops.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/newcops-pk/

Girls all love boobs and shoes
A nice post about social stereotypes.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/19/girls-all-love-boobs-and-shoes/

http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/
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July 19, 2011 6:12pm
starboard

I dont believe rates will go up here in NZ Kaya…I think common sense will prevail..part of the 5% inflation figure consisted of the gst increase..real inflation was something like 3.3% just outside the band. Kiwis aren’t spending outrageously..they dont have any spare $$$ .
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July 19, 2011 6:16pm
starboard

..Jenny Shipley , thousand bucks a day..really?
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July 19, 2011 6:32pm
annie

David – fair call for what’s happening up north.

However I wasn’t implying that all or most Kiwiblog commenters were extreme right-wing, just that they are certainly here, and do come out of the woodwork when the conditions are right.
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July 19, 2011 6:36pm
MyNameIsJack

starboard (2,240) Says:

July 19th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
..Jenny Shipley , thousand bucks a day..really?

Yep, as well as Anake Goodall and Murray Sherwin and the chair, Sir John Hansen has to get by on $1400.00 a day. The Fat Controller certainly knows how to look after his Yes Men.

Profligate waster of public money.
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July 19, 2011 6:44pm
starboard

oink…have to agree…
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July 19, 2011 6:52pm
nasska

A blonde is walking down the street when she sees another blonde kneeling behind a car, exhaust pipe in her mouth and tears in her eyes. Concerned, she asks if everything’s okay.

“No, not really.” She sobs. “I put a dent in my husband’s new car. I begged the panel beaters to fix it before he got back from work but they were too busy. The guy at the panel shop suggested I blow really hard up the exhaust pipe to try and pop the dent out. I’ve been at it twenty minutes now, and it’s just not working.”

“Unbelievable!” Says the first blonde. “Is it any wonder blondes get labelled thick when they see one knelt in the gutter trying to inflate a car….”

“…with a window down”
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July 19, 2011 7:00pm
Rodders

🙂
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July 19, 2011 7:08pm
Steve

See if you can do this Read each line aloud

This is this cat
This is is cat
This is how cat
This is to cat
This is keep cat
This is a cat
This is retard cat
This is busy cat
This is for cat
This is forty cat
This is seconds cat
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July 19, 2011 7:08pm
nasska

December 2010 statistics on airport screening
checks from Department of Homeland Security

Terrorist Plots Discovered 0
Transvestites 133
Hernias 1,485
Hemorrhoid Cases 3,172
Enlarged Prostates 8,249
Breast Implants 159,350
Natural Blondes 3
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July 19, 2011 7:19pm
Viking2

hj (1,383) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am

Why should we pay for information about who owns a property , how much they paid for it and what its rateable value is? Don’t markets work better if people have information? All the authorities need to do is maintain a website.

hahahaha. you socialists did that. Serves you bloody right.
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July 19, 2011 7:22pm
Viking2

annie (295) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm

Are there any extreme right types here?

um…. As someone who sits definitely right of centre, I would have to say yes, there are some truly gobsmackingly rabid Rand-fanboys posting regularly on this forum.

Well I guess you ain’t right of centre than at all.
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July 19, 2011 7:25pm
Manolo

John Ansell writes to the Dom Post on Smile-and-Wave Key: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/5304974/Letter-ACTs-ex-ad-man-wants-Judith-Collins-for-prime-minister
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July 19, 2011 7:28pm
Steve

I am extreemly just to the right of centre, wherever centre is these days
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July 19, 2011 7:28pm
starboard

Manolo (4,657) Says:
July 19th, 2011 at 7:28 pm.

cant disagree with that..go the crusher.
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July 19, 2011 7:42pm
nasska

Steve

Your 7.08pm.

Try reading aloud the third word in each line from the top down.
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July 19, 2011 7:47pm
Steve

You are the first nasska. Seems to have gone over a few heads though
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July 19, 2011 7:54pm
Viking2

More good sense from Stephen Franks.
Not political so worth the read. Might save you some anguish at a later time.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/?p=3620
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July 19, 2011 8:03pm
nasska

Three male mice are sitting at a bar with three shots of tequila arguing about how tough they are.
The first mouse says, “I’m so tough I break into the cupboard just to eat the rat poison.”
He slams down his tequila and looks at the second mouse.
The second mouse replies, “That’s nothing. I’m so tough I run through a mouse trap, grab the cheese, flip onto my back & bench-press the killer sprung trapwire.”
He slams down his tequila and looks at the third mouse.
The third mouse slams down his tequila, slides off his stool and begins walking away from the bar.
The other mice scream, “Oi! Softy!, where do you think you’re going?!
The third mouse replies, “Home to shag the cat.”
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July 19, 2011 8:21pm
Rodders

😀
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July 19, 2011 8:24pm
Luc Hansen

Re: Don Nicholson.

That’s Don Nicholson ex Federated Farmers head honcho.

I finally caught up with his brief appearance on Q+A, Sunday.

There, he took the opportunity to deny that he is a climate change denier. He doesn’t accept that man-made factors have caused climate change to the extent that we need to do anything about it.

Methinks he doth protest too much.

Here’s the thing: Don says he accepts the climate has always changed in the past, and on that basis he is not a climate change denier.

But how does he know climate has always changed in the past?

I’ll tell you: it’s through the work of scientists in various disciplines – physics, geology, paleontology, botany, meteorology, etc etc

And it’s all coming together to show us how we are bringing the planet to the brink, as far as human civilisation (in the sense of community living, as opposed to the RWNJ racist notion of white superiority) and perhaps 50% of extant species is concerned.

Oh, that’s right, he also denies the work of scientists who document the harm farming does to our natural environment, including waterways.

And he is a farmer.

Do we sense a pattern here?

Only accept the science when it is not inconvenient to one’s own pecuniary interests?

I wonder if he accepts the science of mechanics that powers the planes he rides in on his trips?

PS If anyone has his email address, feel free to pass this on.
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July 19, 2011 9:23pm
Bobbie black

Arrived back in the cold rainy small Maori infested isles as I do once a year.

Cashed in 200 Euros for 312 Maori dollars…shit is that right!?

Next day a trip to the supermarket…HOLY SHIT!!!

A medium grocery trip in Germany is 40 Euros here maybe 200 dollars.

A trip to briscoes bought my gf some gifts, total 25 Maori dollars.

Took a trip to that wank kiwifuit thing they have near Te Pukee, exactly the same goods, 55 Maori dollars!

Nice mark-up!

Drove to nearest beach to Te Puke, Maketu or some shit, a lot of Maoris looking angry and resentful and saw a fat Maori try unsuccessfully to break in to a car right in front of our eyes.

Watched wankers such as the Walrus, Coreen and Petra wank on on TV1 about bad journalists in UK.

Fell in love again with Renee the weather girl, glad she is doing the 4.30 slot and noticeably faultless, but noticed she is up the duff, broken hearted that someone got to her first.

No surf, but noticed people are catching kawhai off the beach near Tauranga.

Bought a cheap surf caster and reel, just because it was cheap. Must be made in China…or India…or these days more likely Vietnam or Cambodia.

Clutching my return ticket closely to my chest to Germany where milk sells for 50 cents.
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July 19, 2011 10:10pm
Bobbie black

Oh yeah and thanks for having me back, you lil likeable devil DPF.

🙂
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July 19, 2011 10:14pm
Luc Hansen

Bobbie!

You mean the most successful economy in Europe subsidises necessities like milk?

And other stuff?

Surely not!

Or maybe we are not the most efficient farmers in the world?

Get away!

Try telling Don Nicholson that!
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July 19, 2011 10:22pm
Bobbie black

Well, they get their fruit and vegetables from Spain, very cheaply even after they REALLY pissed them off with the e-coli rumour.

Spain: Fucka you we areya suing youra Nazi asses!

Germany: Howz about ve zign another trade dal (haha ze stupid Spanis and we will get ze cheap veges and fruit and now stabbed beef thrown in!)

Spain: (Fuck weare a broka!) OK!!!

Who knows whose tits they milk for their milk but quite wisely it aint NZ!
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July 19, 2011 10:27pm
Mick Mac

No, I’m only just to the right of centre 🙂

Pity about National moving it’s heart to left of centre.

Loved the joke Nassaka
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July 19, 2011 10:36pm
Bobbie black

Nobody can vote National and pay those food prices…it just doesn’t make sense anymore.

I will vote for change.

Somebody is getting VERY rich at the average Kiwis expense and National are doing nothing about it.

It is not a joke anymore.
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July 19, 2011 10:45pm
Griff

“but a letter which I have by me from an observing Missionary, shews the prevalence of infanticide, so recently as 1837, and that too very near the spot now occupied as head quarters by the Colonial Government. He says, “The crime of infanticide is horrible in its extent, although they conceal it as much as possible from us. My wife has been the instrument of preventing many infants being destroyed, by promising the mother a garment for the babe when born. One woman alone had destroyed four of her helpless progeny. When asked why they do so, some say, That they may not be troubled with rearing them; others, That they may be disencumbered in case they {have to flee.” The modern reservation of female children by new Zealand mothers, whose only thought in saving them is the future profit of prostitution”
http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/document?wid=392&page=0&action=null page.71

Whos Culture ?

Is publishing this Racist ?

Can some claim Customary right ?

We are not disusing our story at all Just crap shoveled from a racist stand point

” And it is a political mistake to call kupapa hapu and iwi ‘stupid bastards’ for siding with the Crown, because that sort of language alienates present-day members of those groups. It’s about as useful as calling all Pakeha ‘white mofos’. The Mana Party, and the radical left in general, needs to create a narrative of the past which acknowledges imperialism and colonisation but avoids demonising kupapa and Pakeha. The historical materialist method associated with the Marxist tradition is important precisely because it allows us to talk about the evils of history without claiming that those evils inhere in one or another human group.”
10:47 AM
http://readingthemaps.blogspot.com/2011/07/should-kupapa-be-swear-word.html

WTF Seems cynical and manipulative as well as dishonest

We need honest discussion around the Treaty this includes all sides of the debate not just racist rhetoric from the left
the truth has sadly been ignored for far to long

Someone suggested reading http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/ highly recommended Thank you
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July 20, 2011 3:08am
mikenmild

Griff should maybe stick to reading in the middle of the night. When he starts to rant he makes little sense.
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July 20, 2011 7:10am
Manolo

Wasting money to please nobody: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5311736/Claim-macron-in-new-signs-a-Welcome-to-Cabbage
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July 20, 2011 7:43am
mikenmild

I’m pleased. Especially if it pisses off that whingeing pom up there.
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July 20, 2011 8:07am
Griff

mikenmild (1,206) Says: blablabla
he Attacks the person puts him down cause he has no reply
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July 20, 2011 3:42pm
KiwiGreg

@ Manolo you need to appreciate that for centuries Maori spelled Kapiti with a macron even before some whitey developed a written language for them.
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