General Debate 18 July 2011

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July 18, 2011 8:34am
Monty

what a great weekend.
and to top it off Labour were given a right spanking after the gloating regaridng their “game changing” CGT. 27% – ouch there will be some grumpy faces on the opposition benches.

What a great win for the Manu Samoa team yesterday. Wonder if the odds at the TAB have dropped a little? (Australia currently $4.75 to win.
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July 18, 2011 8:55am
starboard

Is Fatboy slim D4J ?
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July 18, 2011 9:16am
TEO

I’m really liking the number 20 at the moment. How does this sound:

– 20% GST. No silly fruit and vege exemptions. Remove all sales taxes/levies/tariffs (wasn’t that the point of introducing a broadbase gst? Yes I know this includes petrol, diesel, alcohol, tobacco … so what? Tobacco is a hazardous substance so restrict it accordingly, and stop selling booze at supermarkets. Easy. $2 motorway toll. Sorted.)
– 20% income/company/trust flat tax rate
– $20k tax free income PA (ok this would have to be pegged to inflation/CPI so there goes my affair with the number 20)
– 20% CGT on everything including family home.
– No land taxes so no council rates. Local councils can be funded by central govt. Or just get rid of councils altogether. NZ population is < many international cities, so that should be doable.
– Oh, and reduce govt spending to 20% of GDP. If Michael Savage could manage it then why can't we? Of course WFF, Accom Supplement and other forms of 'redistribution' will have to go.

Discuss. Shoot me down. Crunch my numbers. Go 20!
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July 18, 2011 9:18am
Inventory2

Leighton Smith has just opined on Newstalk ZB that Phil Goff will be rolled before the election. On that note, it’s interesting that David Cunliffe seems to be answering the questions on last night’s poll result.

Has the knife been sharpened? And has Phil Twyford got the numbers right?
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July 18, 2011 9:23am
flipper

But where are the “know all” scribes and entertainers (other than LS) ????????
Ouch!
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July 18, 2011 9:26am
david

I’m still waiting for the pundits and economists to recognise the fingerprints of Michael Cullen all over Labour’s tax poposal. Think it through.
Introduce CGT and Envy Tax (affecting only the tip of taxpayer numbers … correct at the start).
Spend like drunks at a bottle store with mother’s credit card.
Run bigger deficits, expand the public service and raise the min wage to $15.
Give teachers and PSA members pay increases.
Kick start inflation/stagflation.
NZ dollar drops and debt grows as exchange rate factors kick in.
Inflationary pressures boost house and asset prices, more people earn $150K.
CGT starts to deliver greater government revenues.
S&P drop NZ’s rating.
Hyperinflation as Reserve Bank hikes interest rates
property prices go through the roof.
Many more subject to Envy Tax
Country fucked.
Job done.
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July 18, 2011 9:39am
hj

SST spread on Garreth Hughes. It doesn’t mention his (impressive) claim to have protested in Tiananmen Square?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sunday-star-times/features/5292725/I-d-rather-be-judged-on-my-merits

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/young-blood-greens-3344755
http://www.worldharmonyrun.org/nz/torch_bearer_award/torch_bearer_10/34_gareth_hughes
http://english.ntdtv.com/ntdtv_en/ns_asia/2010-02-25/370181680425.html
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July 18, 2011 9:42am
DavidR

starboard asks, “Is Fatboy slim D4J?”

Is the pope a catholic?
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July 18, 2011 9:43am
jcuk

I am happy to have supermarketds selling beer and wines and putting some up as loss leaders. They are the ones I always buy irrespective of brand so long as it is 5% beer. Last buy was my best, 15 stubbies for $20 … that is about a months supply as I alternate it with a glass of red wine depending on the meal, one a day.
Instead of restrictions we should have education about tolerance and moderation.
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July 18, 2011 9:43am
Other_Andy

Australia mirrors NZ polls
“new opinion poll has voter support for Labor plunging even further amid concerns over the party’s carbon tax plan, with the party holding just 26 per cent of the primary vote.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-18/labor-slumps-in-nielsen-poll/2798170?section=business
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July 18, 2011 9:44am
jcuk

Nothing wrong with a $15 minimum wage except don’t expect employers to pay it to fresh kids out of school, only to those who have learnt the job in question. That could well be quick learning kids too.
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July 18, 2011 9:47am
Sofia

It is obvious that Phil Goff is not a leader who will win any Election for Labour.
So replace him for the good of the Party.
But then if no one will step forward by rolling him, the inference then is those that could replace him are ‘keeping their powder dry’ to take his position when he fails, and that is in their own interests, not the Party’s.

Why, then, vote for a Party that is only self-interested, in preserving precious political positions, rather than serving the population.
Their not changing themselves implies no real interest in serving US, so fuck them.
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July 18, 2011 9:54am
david

Sofia, nah. Phil and a bunch of others will follow the long established (at least 3 years old) tradition of tossing the toys on election night and will resign en masse in a huff. We will then have a gaggle of by-elections and list replacements in the first year of the new Parliament by which time the Opposition will have about as much depth as the Wallabies.

I’ve got the popcorn ready
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July 18, 2011 10:24am
Pete George

On that note, it’s interesting that David Cunliffe seems to be answering the questions on last night’s poll result.

And he was evading questions from Espiner on Q+A. I don’t think he will solve Labour’s leadership problems.

But neither will Goff, especially when he talks like this:

Mr Goff dismissed the poll, saying the party had increased their vote in the two by-elections – Te Tai Tokerau and Botany – held this year.

“I’m confident Labour will do a lot better than those polls suggest,” he told Newstalk ZB.

“A few months before the 1996 election Helen Clark was on 1 per cent.”

“a href=”http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10739182”>(Goff defends shock Labour poll result)

Labour lost in 1996, so aspiring to that is not a great look.
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July 18, 2011 10:32am
mikenmild

I should have thought that if Labour could repeat their 1996 achievement (34% to National’s 35%), then Goff would be ecstatic.
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July 18, 2011 10:41am
kiwisimplexity

Reflection of society in politics
Political parties are getting ready for the November elections and candidate lists are being finalized.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/reflection-of-society-in-politics/

http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/
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July 18, 2011 10:44am
Pete George

The results I can find for 1996 show:
National 33.87
Labour 28.19
NZ First 13.35
Alliance 10.10
Act 6.1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_general_election,_1996
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July 18, 2011 10:49am
mikenmild

Sorry Pete, used the 1993 figures by mistake.
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July 18, 2011 10:51am
Manolo

A serious issue that needs to be addressed by Smile-and-Wave: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/editorials/5298339/Editorial-Mr-Key-explain-how-you-ll-sustain-super
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July 18, 2011 11:17am
Lance

Redbaiter spotted on highway

http://jalopnik.com/5820570/camper-owner-doesnt-think-much-of-obama
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July 18, 2011 11:37am
mikenmild

Lance

I suspect that man has a serious crush on Barack.
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July 18, 2011 11:41am
nasska

Lance

Good find. Nice to know that the rabid one is enjoying his holiday & spreading bonhomie & cheer throughout the world.
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July 18, 2011 11:47am
Mick Mac

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/07/post-surge_iraq_2010_worst_year_for_christian_minority.html

Just a reminder of what our millions of dollars have paid for in Iraq and Afghanistan, an Islamic state.
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July 18, 2011 12:51pm
Falafulu Fisi

DOWN TO THE DOCTOR’S: Who Pays The Tax?
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July 18, 2011 1:18pm
mikenmild

Mick Mac

Interesting. Christians form between 3 and 5% of Iraq’s population of 31 million. There were 4,644 civilian deaths from violence recorded in Iraq in 2009. The 800 murders of Christians seem about bang on the general level of violence in the country. Sad that anyone is murdered, of course, but it doesn’t seem that the Christians of Iraq have suffered disproprotionately from the US invasion.
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July 18, 2011 1:26pm
Elaycee

Milkmilo – “Sorry Pete, used the 1993 figures by mistake.”

Jeez – I’m several time zones away from NZ at the moment but one thing is consistent – Milkmilo’s ‘research’ is still junk.
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July 18, 2011 1:33pm
slightlyrighty

This morning I heard Goff being interviewed on Newstalk ZB regarding the poll results. He said that there were only two real polls that mattered, those being the Botany and Te Tai Tokerau by-elections where Labour increased their share of the vote.

The obvious question, which was not asked, would have been “how did you rate Labour’s performance in the Mana by election then?”

This brings to mind one thing that I have noticed from Labour, is that they will cherry pick facts and figures that agree with their thinking, but ignore anything that falls outside that thinking. See how easy you can be moderated on Red Alert for example. As you leave out inconveinient truths, more and more people who know that truth, will see you as less than honest. Lying by omission is still lying, and the more lies you tell, the more people see you as liars.
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July 18, 2011 2:33pm
Inventory2

An aeroplane was about to crash; there were 5 passengers on board, but only 4 parachutes.

> The first passenger said, “I am President Obama, the chosen one. The world needs me, I can’t afford to die.” So he took the first parachute and left the aircraft.

The second passenger, Hone Harawira, said, “I am the leader of the Mana party in Aotearoa and I am the smartest Maori in New Zealand history, so New Zealand’s people don’t want me to die.” He took the second parachute and jumped out of the aircraft.

The third passenger, Russell Norman, said, “I’m the leader of the NZ Greens and the nation needs my guidance and my girlfriend would miss me.” So he grabbed the parachute next to him and jumped

The fourth passenger, ex-PM Jim Bolger, said to the fifth passenger, a 10-year-old schoolgirl, “I have lived a full life, and served my country the best I could. I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute.”

The little girl said, “That’s okay, Mr. Bolger. There’s a parachute left for you. NZ’s smartest Maori took my schoolbag!”
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July 18, 2011 3:02pm
iMP

Will the Maori cultural police be asking permission for Rastafarian imagery, LA gangster and Hip Hop cultural preserves?
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July 18, 2011 3:10pm
mikenmild

An aeroplane was about crash; there were four passengers (an American, a Mexican, a Frenchman, and an Englishman), but only one parachute. The Englishman stepped to the door, shouted “God Save the Queen” and jumped to his death. The Frenchman stepped to the door, shouted “Vive la France” and jumped to his death. The American stepped to the door, shouted “Remember the Alamo!” and pushed out the Mexican.
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July 18, 2011 3:12pm
Nookin

An Englishman, Irishman, Scotsman, Frenchman, Chinaman, American, Italian, Greek, Egyptian, Indonesian, South African, Brazilian, Russian, Canadian, Ethiopian, Algerian, Swede, Belgian, Vietnamese, Kiwi and Australian all decided that they would have a good night out and went to a nightclub. The Dorman said “I am sorry, I cannot let you in without a Thai.
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July 18, 2011 3:49pm
Manolo

Stating the obvious. Imbeciles trying to pass as journalists: http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/wellbeing/5268578/Study-Eating-disorders-increases-risk-of-death
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July 18, 2011 4:47pm
Scott Chris

Two accountants are in a bank, when armed robbers burst in. While several of the robbers take the money from the tellers, others line the customers, including the accountants, up against a wall, and proceed to take their wallets, watches, etc. While this is going on accountant number one jams something in accountant number two’s hand. Without looking down, accountant number two whispers, “What is this?” to which accountant number one replies, “it’s that $50 I owe you.”
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July 18, 2011 5:00pm
kiwisimplexity

The helmet cams view on war
War might be a dirty and horrible business, but it also has journalists venture into new territory and come up with innovative ways of reporting.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/18/the-helmet-cams-view-on-war/

http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/
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July 18, 2011 5:15pm
DavidR

Like the ‘Same Power Different Attitude’ ad on the front page. Maybe it’s time for another billboard campaign?
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July 18, 2011 5:46pm
nasska

Suggestions that could keep your letterbox empty & your mealtimes uninterrupted.

(1)Three little words that work are: “Hold On, Please…”
Saying this, while putting down your phone and walking off (instead of hanging-up immediately) would make each telemarketing call so much more time-consuming that phone sales would grind to a halt.
Then when you eventually hear the Telecom’s “beep-beep-beep” tone, you know it’s time to go back and hang up your handset, which has efficiently completed its task. These three little words will have helped eliminate telephone soliciting.

(2) Do you ever get those annoying phone calls with no one on the other end?
This is a telemarketing technique where a machine makes phone calls and records the time of day when a person answers the phone.
This technique is used to determine the best time of day for a “real” sales person to call back and get someone at home.
What you can do after answering, if you notice there is no one there, is to immediately start hitting your # button on the phone, 6 or 7 times, as quickly as possible This confuses the machine that dialed the call and it kicks your number out of their system. Gosh, what a shame not to have your name in their system any longer !!!

(3) Junk Mail Help: When you get “ads” enclosed with your phone or utility bill, return these “ads” with your payment. Let the sending companies throw their own junk mail away
When you get those “pre-approved” letters in the mail for everything from credit cards to hire purchase and similar type junk, do not throw away the return envelope.
Most of these come with postage-paid return envelopes, right? It costs them more than the regular 50 cents postage “IF” and when they receive them back.
It costs them nothing if you throw them away! Part of the postage premium they pay is based on the weight of the item.. In that case, why not get rid of some of your other junk mail and put it in these cool little, postage-paid return envelopes.

Send the pests your Mitre 10 & Harvey Normans brochures that clutter up your letterbox. If you didn’t get anything else that day, then just send them their blank application back. If you want to remain anonymous, just make sure your name isn’t on anything you send them. You can even send the envelope back empty if you want to just to keep them guessing! It still costs them over 50 cents.

The banks and credit card companies are currently getting a lot of their own junk back in the mail, but folks, we need to OVERWHELM them. Let’s let them know what it’s like to get lots of junk mail, and best of all they’re paying for it…Twice!

Let’s help keep NZ Post busy since they are saying that e-mail is cutting into their business profits, and they will use that excuse to increase postage costs again. You get the idea.

If enough people follow these tips it will work.
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July 18, 2011 6:54pm
Steve

I have been sending empty post-paid envelopes back for years.
Most of the email shit stoped after I replied with a “Yes” attachment, which was 107 pages of “don’t send me junk mail, don’t send me junk mail”
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July 18, 2011 7:43pm
nasska

In a wine makers the regular taster died and the director was in urgent need of looking for a replacement.
A drunkard with ragged, dirty look came to apply for the position..
The director of the winery wondered how to send him away.
They tested him.
They gave him a glass with a drink. He tried it and said, “It’s red wine, a muscat, three years old, grown on a north slope, matured in steel containers.”
“That’s correct”, said the boss.
Another glass.
“It’s red wine, Cabernet, eight years old, a south-western slope, oak barrels.”
“Correct.”
A third glass.
”It’s champagne, high grade and exclusive” calmly said the drunk.
The director was astonished.
He winked at his secretary to suggest something.
She brought in a glass of urine. The alcoholic tried it.
“It’s a blonde, 26 years old, pregnant in the third month.
And if you don’t give me the job, I’ll name the father!”
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July 18, 2011 7:53pm
Rodders

😀
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July 18, 2011 7:58pm
pdm

Nasska (1052) – I love it. From time to time I have posted back empty `reply paid’ or similar envelopes when a firm has annoyed me. However I have never thought of filling them with junk mail – it is now a must do!!!
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July 18, 2011 9:47pm
Manolo

Spending like there is no tomorrow, the profligate Messiah is determined to wreck the US (and the world’s) economy: http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/171997-obama-officially-threatens-to-veto-cup-cap-and-balance
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July 19, 2011 6:49am
Manolo

A pathetic example of the policies of envy prevalent in individuals without skills. A typical socialist Labour voter: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/5299236/Letter-Labours-tax-change-gets-my-vote
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