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Manolo

The Messiah is a fraudster: http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2011/07/boehner-dealing-with-the-white-house-has-been-like-dealing-with-jell-o.html
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July 14, 2011 2:26pm
RightNow

JuLiar Gillard gets called out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=n8rsyg0lkkM
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July 14, 2011 2:26pm
Linda Reid

Hone not sworn in to Parliament http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738437
– refused to use the correct words
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July 14, 2011 2:28pm
Nookin

Got this e-mail today. Don’t know if it was from Luc or not

“I am truly perplexed that so many of my friends are against another mosque being built in London.
I think it should be the goal of every British person to be tolerant.
Thus the Mosque should be allowed, in an effort to promote tolerance. That is why I also propose that two nightclubs be opened next door to the mosque, thereby promoting tolerance from within the mosque
We could call one of the clubs, which would be gay, “The Turban Cowboy “, and the other a topless bar called “You Mecca Me Hot.”
Next door should be a butcher shop that specializes in pork, and adjacent to that an open-pit barbeque pork restaurant, called “Iraq o’ Ribs.”
Across the street there could be a lingerie store called “Victoria Keeps Nothing Secret “, with sexy mannequins in the window modelling the goods.
Next door to the lingerie shop there would be room for an adult sex toy shop, “Koranal Knowledge”, its name in flashing neon lights, and on the other side a liquor store called “Morehammered.”
All of this would encourage the Muslims to demonstrate the tolerance they demand of us, so the mosque problem would be solved.
If you agree with promoting tolerance, and you think this is a good plan, please pass it on…
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July 14, 2011 2:29pm
lloydois

Goodnight Rupert!
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July 14, 2011 2:30pm
wreck1080

The Pike river operation is getting a caning.

Particularly troubling, is the geologist who was so worried about mine saftey she warned her husband not to enter the mine.

And todays evidence is ugly too.

You wonder why no one blew the whistle on this operation? Or, is it just easy to be an expert after the event?

The outcome of this enquiry will be both obvious and shocking.
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July 14, 2011 2:32pm
wreck1080

Labour getting to introduce their tax changes will be the last straw for me.

I refuse to sit here and have my income further decimated by a socialist government.

Not only are labour introducing new taxes, they are increasing existing ones.

The GST off fruit and vegetables will actually mean an increase in total amount i pay as it introduces inefficiency.
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July 14, 2011 2:41pm
side show bob

Watched the red headed, lying cow getting her arse handed to her last night on CH90 RightNow. There was one good question from a scientist ” when will the Australian people know their taxes they have paid for carbon have done their job or at what point will we know we have been successful”. Of course it’s an impossible question to answer but more importantly there will never come a time when victory is claimed, this will be a tax forever and it is designed to grow larger year after year. Once introduced it will never be repelled, it is a politicians drug of choice. Just like our mongrel, scumbag, scabby arse politicians the Aussies are been sold into socialism and ultimately slavery.
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July 14, 2011 2:45pm
grumpyoldhori

Ah yes, what a proud moment for the National party in getting rid of the stand alone mining inspectors, what was being said in 1992, ah yes ,there is no alternative to what we are doing.
Getting rid of experts in mining and in the use of explosives, that was fucking clever.
Still, it was only union types who paid the price
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July 14, 2011 2:46pm
tom hunter

Goodnight Rupert!

lloydois – sweetie. After so much time you’re finally back here.

I’d have thought you were too deeply involved across the ditch trying to pull yet another articulate, socialist genius out of crap of her own making to be wasting your time gloating about Rupert on a NZ blogsite?

Besides – people here mostly could care less about newspapers and cable TV, so if Rupert goes down we’ll more than likely cheer. Pinch being next.

But where will you be without Julia?
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July 14, 2011 2:50pm
starboard

“Still, it was only union types who paid the price”

low blow from a stupid maori.
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July 14, 2011 3:08pm
tom hunter

Ah yes, what a proud moment for the National party in getting rid of the stand alone mining inspectors, what was being said in 1992, ah yes ,there is no alternative to what we are doing.

Psst – Grumpy. There’s already a thread here for you to hump the regulation tree on. Of course vto has already covered your argument and I’ve already replied:

The National govts deregulatory mantra during the 90s managed to create disasters. Well done.

Result … 29 men killed at Pike River. $20billion of leaky homes.

Any acknowledgment that the right wing deregulation mantra had failings? Deadly failings.

An approach unchanged in 9 years of government by the party that got its start in the West Coast mining industry: Helen Clark and co. – the workers friend.

Strongman Mine Disaster. 19 miners killed in an explosion. January 1967.

Any acknowledgement that maybe shit happens anyway and the rest is just ideological sniping? Or are mining inspectors and regulations just naturally more lax even when it’s a 1960′s-regulate-everything National government?
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July 14, 2011 3:26pm
Dazzaman

starboard (2,186) Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
“Still, it was only union types who paid the price”

low blow from a stupid maori.

Piece of shit cracker….lol
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July 14, 2011 4:06pm
Elaycee

WHAT????

A ‘Hopoate type’ moment in Australian netball? Hahaha

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=10738453
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July 14, 2011 4:17pm
Manolo

The tobacco-nazis never stop: http://health.msn.co.nz/blog.aspx?blogentryid=847271&showcomments=true
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July 14, 2011 4:34pm
hj

Green MP David Clendon is scathing of the Sensible Sentencing Trust. He recommends we read (eg)

The Crown as Sexual Predator
Earlier this year I was fortunate enough to attend a hui where Andrea Smith and
Sherene Razack spoke about the connection between sexual violence and colonialism.
Andrea Smith argued that colonisation marks Native women as inherently rapable
and, by extension, renders Native lands and Native people in general similarly
defileable. In my view, the relevance of this analysis to our own situation is readily
apparent. If the suggestion that colonisation marks Māori women as inherently
rapable strikes you as a little extreme, I suggest you pause to consider the ways in
which Māori women were characterised by the Pākehā men who first visited our
shores. Incapable of understanding our apparent lack of sexual domination by men,
they interpreted our autonomy as promiscuity:34
Eroticised in the journals of the European explorers of the Pacific, Polynesian and Māori
women were constructed as dusky skinned, South Seas maidens, amorous, exotic, sensual and
sexually available.
Is this an attitude long-since forgotten? I strongly suspect that if I were to ask for a
show of hands from those who have experienced first-hand white men’s delusional
assumptions about how “easy” Māori women are, we would find that little has
changed. As for the extension of the idea of the inherent rapability of Māori women
to Māori land, I doubt that many of us would consider it too great a stretch of the
imagination to describe the present-day desecration of Papatūānuku as an extreme
form of sexual violence. In reality the rape of Papatūānuku is almost inevitable in
”

For those of you who are feeling that the challenge is overwhelming and wonder how
you can make a difference, there are numerous ways that you can contribute:
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Understand in your heart and mind that the Crown legal system is
illegitimate. Don’t just say it, believe it. If you struggle with the idea that
New Zealand is in fact an illegal state, make a commitment to find out
more about our history before making a judgment. If your instinct is still
to defend the legitimacy of the New Zealand legal system, be prepared to
examine your own investment in it.

Believe in the validity of Māori law. If you don’t know what it entails,
find out. And beware of colonised mutations of that law. If instinct tells
you that something doesn’t quite fit, don’t be afraid to question and to
explore.
http://www.rethinking.org.nz/Default.aspx?page=3629
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/07/13/never-mind-the-facts-give-us-an-opinion/
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July 14, 2011 5:21pm
Viking2

could someone please explain to me why economists keep insisting we should pay more to rent money just because we have managed to scrape our arses of the pavement and begin to get a little busier. No wonder NZ is fucked all the time.

Strong growth may spur rate rise
JAMES WEIR
Last updated 12:31 14/07/2011

The Reserve Bank could push up official interest rates as much as 50 basis points in December because of a good head of steam in the economy, according to ANZ Bank economists.

The economy jumped ahead much faster than expected in the March quarter, with growth of 0.8 per cent – double the rate expected by most economists, despite the Canterbury earthquake.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/5283282/Strong-growth-may-spur-rate-rise

The height of irrational thinking.

Especially when most businesses are still running at similar levels to two years ago.
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July 14, 2011 5:43pm
Viking2

Campbell Live fined for ‘wriggling masses of rats’
BELINDA MCCAMMON
Last updated 16:46 14/07/2011
RATTY FINE: Campbell Live, the TV3 current affairs show fronted by John Campbell, has been fined $16,000.

A Campbell Live item alleging a recycling plant was unsanitary and rat-infested has cost the show $16,000 after it was fined by the Broadcasting Standards Authority.

In a ruling released today the BSA has ordered TVWorks to pay the recycling company $13,742.20 costs and also ordered it to pay the Crown costs of $3000 as well as being ordered to broadcast a summary of the decision.

Only $10k. Oh well media works ain’t got the cash to pay anyway so perhaps the recyclers will be able to push them into bankruptcy where they belong.
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July 14, 2011 5:49pm
Eisenhower

How does one go about joining the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

An Austrian has won the right to be photographed wearing a pasta strainer for his driving licence on the grounds of religious freedom.

Niko Alm announced the decision on his blog, saying that, after three years of struggle, a psychologist had passed him fit to drive and so he could wear the kitchen implement for the picture ID.

Mr Alm, who calls himself a “pastafarian”, said he belonged to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, which lampooned religion.

“Today I was able to get my new driving licence, and in it you can clearly see that I’m wearing a colander on my head to demonstrate my allegiance to the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster,” Mr Alm wrote in his blog.

“My headwear has now been recognised by the Republic of Austria.”

The spaghetti church was founded in 2005 in opposition to pressure on the Kansas school board in the United States to teach the theory of intelligent design in biology classes as an alternative to evolution.

It has engaged in a light-hearted campaign against religion ever since.

Pastafarians claim the world was created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but, because the monster was inebriated at the time, it was a flawed design.
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July 14, 2011 5:56pm
MyNameIsJack

Wonderful to hear Farrar on National Radio this afternoon supporting the idea that employers own employees and can dictate what said employees may or may not doin their own time.

Gotta love these National Party Fascists.

However, he did shut up when Sue Wells suggested the policy should not just cover smokers but fatties as well. 🙂
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July 14, 2011 6:05pm
mikenmild

Ike

I’m keen on that Church too. All I need to know though, is will a pasta strainer be as effective as my tinfoil helmet?
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July 14, 2011 6:17pm
IHStewart

Listened to The Panel on RNZ and Farrar you managed to get me screaming abuse at you as I drove home. I read this

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738350

“Everyone deserves a second chance … the more help I can get the better.”

Then this

” He was convicted in the Rangiora District Court on Friday on a charge of intentionally injuring a man and two charges of drink driving causing injury.”

Oh and this.

” A former white supremacist wants taxpayers to help him remove his “skinhead” tattoo so he can start living a new life.
Carl Nathaniel Drewett, who has an extensive criminal record, was once proud to wear the tattoo across his forehead.”

Sorry he has had so many second chances and note the date of the last violent offending court appearance. I have no doubt he will continue to clog up our courts. Your advocating the Tax Payer shell out $2500 on this prick astonished me I understand your reasoning but it is just bloody unrealistic to expect this idiot to reform.

No I have not joined the right I remain on the left but the pragmatic centre left not the hug a thug idiotic left.

Rant over.
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July 14, 2011 6:31pm
Steve

Mike, tinfoil reflects but strainers have holes. Common sense may get in through the holes
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July 14, 2011 6:32pm
nasska

Mikenmild

Don’t take any chances…wear both.
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July 14, 2011 6:32pm
Manolo

A good read: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/no-more-taxes-no-more-debt-no-more-obama_576835.html
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July 14, 2011 6:35pm
mikenmild

Steve

Maybe they’ll still let me join the Church if I wear my tinfoil helmet under the strainer.
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July 14, 2011 6:35pm
Steve

But what will people think? two hats. Bit gay isn’t it?
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July 14, 2011 6:39pm
mikenmild

Manolo

A reasonably partisan summary. Both parties have themselves in a pickle. It seems pretty obvious that only a combination of tax increases and spending cuts can pull the US out of the enormous. Unfortunately, the Democrats can’t afford to be seen to cut spending and the Republicans can’t afford to be seen to support tax increases. So the game shifts to who can carry most of the blame for the mess.
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July 14, 2011 6:42pm
Steve

Was going to post a joke, but it’s prob the same one that nasska is ready to send
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July 14, 2011 6:44pm
Steve

A blond hurries into the emergency room late one night with the tip other
finger shot off.
“How did this happen?” the emergency room doctor asked her.
“Well I was trying to commit suicide,” the blond replied.
“What?” spluttered the doctor, “You tried to commit suicide by shooting your
finger off?”
“No silly!” the blond said, “First I put the gun to my chest, & I thought; I
just paid $6,000.00 for breast implants, I’m not shooting myself in the
chest.”
“So then?” asked the doctor.
“Then I put the gun in my mouth, & I thought: I just paid $3000.00 to get my
teeth straightened, I’m not shooting myself in the mouth.”
“So then?” asked the doctor.
“Then I put the gun to my ear, and I thought: This is going to make a loud
noise. So I put my finger in the other ear before I pulled the trigger.”
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July 14, 2011 6:46pm
nasska

You know you’re Taliban if…
You refine heroin for a living, but you have a moral objection to beer.
You own a 3000 quid machine gun and a 5000 quid rocket launcher, but you can’t afford shoes.
You have more wives than teeth.
You wipe your arse with your bare left hand, but consider bacon ‘unclean.’
You think vests come in two styles: bullet-proof and suicide.
You can’t think of anyone you HAVEN’T declared Jihad against.
You consider television dangerous, but routinely carry explosives in your clothing.
You were amazed to discover that cell phones have uses other than setting off roadside bombs.
You’ve often uttered the phrase, ‘I love what you’ve done with your cave.’
You have nothing against women and think every man should own at least one.
You bathe at least monthly whether necessary or not.
You’ve ever had a crush on your neighbour’s goat.
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July 14, 2011 7:04pm
nasska

A barman is sitting behind the bar on a typical day, when the door bursts open and in come four exuberant blondes. They come up to the bar, order five bottles of champagne and ten glasses, take their order over and sit down at a large table.

The corks are popped, the glasses are filled and they begin toasting and chanting, “51 days, 51 days, 51 days!”

Soon, three more blondes arrive, take up their drinks and the chanting grows. “51 days, 51 days, 51 days!”

Two more blondes show up and soon their voices are joined in raising the roof. “51 days, 51 days, 51 days!”

Finally, the tenth blonde comes in with a picture under her arm. She walks over to the table, sets the picture in the middle and the table erupts. Up jumps the others, they begin dancing around the table, exchanging high-fives, all the while chanting “51 days, 51 days, 51 days!”

The barman can’t contain his curiosity any longer, so he walks over to the table. There in the center is a beautifully framed children’s jigsaw puzzle. When the frenzy dies down a little bit, the barman asks one of the blondes, “What’s all the chanting and celebration about?”

The blonde who brought in the picture explains, “Everyone thinks that blondes are dumb and they make fun of us. So, we decided to set the record straight. Ten of us got together, bought that puzzle and put it together.

“The side of the box said 2 to 4 years, but we put it together in 51 days!”
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July 14, 2011 7:33pm
reid

This mistaken soul conflates Heyek’s policies with fractional reserve and central banking, what an idiot.
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July 14, 2011 8:07pm
nasska

reid

Do you subscribe to the ‘trickle down theory’?
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July 14, 2011 8:30pm
side show bob

If anyone gives a fat rats arse Tony Abbott is on ch90 telling the Aussie’s what he thinks of the carbon tax.
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July 14, 2011 8:31pm
reid

nasska I subscribe to low universal tax, small govt, free-market, no price-fixing, mostly de-regulated but not all, mostly private ownership but not all and stringent effective enforcement of wise yet flexible financial laws which would by now see many more in the firing line, many more in jail and many more under investigation.

I also subscribe to a wise and intelligent MSM faithfully fulfilling its role as the Fourth Estate on a daily basis, as well.

I’m a very disappointed hence angry man therefore nasska. It makes me shake with rage, just like a lefty does when they see a poor person.
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July 14, 2011 8:46pm
tom hunter

Manolo

I’d like to say the Democrat tactics are cute but actually they’re as crude as hell.

Ramp up spending until your annual budget is 40% more than just four years ago.

Then scream that any spending cut that even approaches that figure means the end of the world and that the only real way out are tax increases (with a bit of joke spending thrown in for laughs).

I think they’re running the mirror image of Gingrich’s whither-on-the-vine approach. I call it feed-the-beast. Actually it may be engorgement – and it may end up killing the whole thing.

That 40% cut is perhaps the best example of how fucked the US is, since it is an unimaginable number and yet if it ever was executed, would take Federal spending back not the 1950’s or even 1970’s (which such a budget cut could conceivably have done even in the 1980’s) – but only to 2006.

What really worries me is that this is more than just partisan sniping: the left in the US really do not get this. To them it’s just a war to raise taxes. Time they looked up the story of King Pyrrhus of Epirus.
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July 14, 2011 9:17pm
Luc Hansen

reid

Take your pills.

Everyone, are you watching Tony Abbot’s Delusions on Sky TV?

He thinks that humans “make a contribution” to climate change”?

He thinks fossil fuels are indispensable, even though they are finite.

He thinks global warming will stop with 5% reduction in emissions by 2020.

If he wasn’t so dangerous he’d be cute!
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July 14, 2011 9:30pm
Luc Hansen

Oh, and the last people he wants to listen to is the experts.
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July 14, 2011 9:44pm
side show bob

Yes Luc but not only tony believes these things, now what is the figure?? oh that’s right it’s about 80% of Australian’s agree with him. Shit why can’t they be blessed with your fore-site, wisdom and love of the communist ideology.
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July 14, 2011 9:59pm
DJP6-25

Right Now 2:26 Well done that lady. All you need to know about socialists, is that if their mouth is open, they’re lying.

cheers

David Prosser
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July 14, 2011 10:17pm
krazykiwi

On that basis I’m sure he listens to you Luc
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July 14, 2011 10:29pm
kiwisimplexity

We owe $9.5m
A great warning by The Star newspaper today.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/we-owe-9-5m/

Fine for ‘quite distinct from strictly objective news reporting’ Campbell Live
Current affairs show Campbell Live, it’s a good thing something like this exists.
http://kiwisimplexity.wordpress.com/2011/07/15/fine-for-%E2%80%98quite-distinct-from-strictly-objective-news-reporting%E2%80%99-campbell-live/
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July 15, 2011 1:24am
Viking2

All Blacks ‘can’t keep pace’ with Wallabies
Last updated 20:56 14/07/2011

All Blacks

Former Wallabies World Cup hero Elton Flatley has fired a psychological shot across the Tasman, claiming the ageing All Blacks are under increasing pressure to keep pace with Australia’s all-conquering youngsters.

Flatley believes Queensland’s gun halves Quade Cooper and Will Genia have turned up the heat on New Zealand superstars Dan Carter and captain Richie McCaw, in particular, after guiding the Reds to a Super Rugby crown and the Wallabies to a streak-busting win over the All Blacks.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/5287105/All-Blacks-can-t-keep-pace-with-Wallabies
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July 15, 2011 6:31am
Viking2

What a difference $10 a week will make, says mum
TIM DONOGHUE
Last updated 05:00 15/07/2011

PLEASING PROSPECT: Cleaner Mele Peaua, of Lower Hutt, who is very happy with the proposed Labour tax package, which she says will enable her to afford fruit and vegetables.
Cleaner Mele Peaua, of Lower Hutt, who is very happy with the proposed Labour tax package, which she says will enable her to afford fruit and vegetables.

Ten bucks a week extra in her pay packet would make a huge difference to Tongan cleaner Mele Peaua and her large family.

Mrs Peaua, the mother of six children aged from eight to 18, takes home $434 a week from her 36 hours work as a cleaner at two Hutt Valley schools. She would use the extra $525 a year – $10 a week – that she would earn under Labour to buy more fruit and vegetables for her children.

And of course her husband works. add in WFF and her state house subsidy.

Someone can do the Maths here.
Labour Propaganda.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5287598/What-a-difference-10-a-week-will-make-says-mum
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July 15, 2011 6:43am
Luc Hansen

# krazykiwi (7,043) Says:
July 14th, 2011 at 10:29 pm

On that basis I’m sure he listens to you Luc

He sure should, but you should be aware that Abbott has considerably altered his stance on climate change from being a rabid denier.

The problem for this kind of guy is that when they get near the levers of power, they get more information through briefings etc and they simply cannot defy reality and retain credibility. We never hear the “global warming is a hoax” line from our JK anymore, do we?

And do notice, KK, that at least I go out of my way to listen to alternative arguments to what I perceive to be true. I might just take the time to play the tape and pick up tony on a few more, shall we say, misstatements.

Anyone know his email address?

A nice article in today’s paper:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10738572
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July 15, 2011 7:01am
Griff

Ike Mike and Steve your ignorance is astounding a true believer would of course wear a pirate hat
please goggle miss USA evolution to learn why I be a member of this church aarrrg

The leader of the mana party has done a great disservice to the sector of this country that view themselves as Maori. He has insulted the most Tapu ground we have as a nation and trod on the Mana of all NewZealanders. As a result Utu needs to be taken or how can we hold our heads up. He should not be paid until he has recognized the Tapu of Parliament and the Mana of the nation
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July 15, 2011 8:22am
Griff

srry moderator can u place 2 paragraph in appropriate post
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July 15, 2011 8:35am
krazykiwi

that at least I go out of my way to listen to alternative arguments

Ok so I call bullshit on that one. You, out of almost ANY commenter here, refuse to entertain alternative views. Anyone who doesn’t subscribe to your extreme style of climate alarmism is branded a ‘rabid denier’ for example.

Citizens simply don’t want to turn their countries into barren, energy deprived wastelands as the ruling elite – no longer satisfied with their domestic domains – look to upsize their powerbase to the global stage courtesy of the UN.

It’s not about saving the planet from ourselves. It’s about naked ambition to rule and it’s being sold to the uninformed masses as an eco-guilt package. If we x-rayed you Luc we’d see a hook, a line and a sinker.
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July 15, 2011 9:35am
Megatron

Viking2..
“Someone can do the Maths here.
Labour Propaganda”

Couldn’t agree more. What a crock of shite.
Also, no-one forced her to have six children.

Can someone work out what the family gets in the hand after tax, given the helping hand of WFF and state house subsidies?
I bet it’s not breadline.
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July 15, 2011 9:41am
RightNow

Who are the big winners from Austalia’s new carbon tax?
http://www.news.com.au/business/the-real-winners-of-julia-gillards-carbon-price-scheme/story-e6frfm1i-1226095021605

Suprise surprise, Accountants, Lawyers and Banks. Because we’re just so happy about banks making the big bucks we like to bail them out when they screw the world over, and hand them more opportunities to privatise their gains. Of course if the carbon price crashes we’ll bail them out again, won’t we?
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July 15, 2011 10:08am
RightNow

While we’re at it, let’s encourage people smugglers to head to NZ, because we’re bleeding heart stupid
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/man-kicked-girl-away-from-life-jacket/story-e6frfku0-1226094142929#ixzz1S74iHRkl
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July 15, 2011 10:09am
RightNow

How to solve the problem of supporting an ageing population – just raise their energy costs
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/bills/article-2014650/Nearly-7m-households-struggle-energy-bills-DECC-data-branded-useless.html

From last year:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1332343/Nine-pensioners-died-cold-hour-winter-prices-soar.html
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July 15, 2011 10:18am
Luc Hansen

RightNow (2,867) Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 10:08 am

Who are the big winners from Austalia’s new carbon tax?

The grandchildren of Australian babies being born today, that’s who.

Now that’s aspirational!

And that’s got my stamp of approval.

Pass it on to JK.
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July 15, 2011 10:24am
krazykiwi

Poor old Barry. His presidency appears to be Gallup’ing away …

PRINCETON, NJ — Registered voters by a significant margin now say they are more likely to vote for the “Republican Party’s candidate for president” than for President Barack Obama in the 2012 election, 47% to 39%. Preferences had been fairly evenly divided this year in this test of Obama’s re-election prospects.
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July 15, 2011 10:29am
RightNow

How will they be winners Luc? Because their country’s economy is to be decimated for nothing? Do you seriously think some ‘warming’ will be abated from their new carbon tax? By 2020 they might achieve a reduction of 60 million tonnes of CO2 per year. Do you know how much ‘warming’ that might theoretically stop?
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July 15, 2011 10:33am
Luc Hansen

KK

I go out of my way to research alternative views. But I search for evidence. Facts.

You prefer character assassination and ridiculous conspiracy theories. Sick puppy stuff.

Tell me this: do you know how many people actually are employees of the IPCC division of the UN?

Have you ever researched how much scientists actually get paid for papers utilised by the IPCC?

Do you actually know how much Pauchari gets paid by the IPCC?

I know the answers to all of the above. Do you?
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July 15, 2011 10:34am
RightNow

Luc, you’re so well informed, what is climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 from pre-industrial levels (i.e. 290ppmv)?
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July 15, 2011 10:42am
krazykiwi

Luc, the IPCC have proven themselves to be intellectually and morally corrupt. Why should anyone be interested in answers to those questions? As for character assassinations, well I think readers here will recognise the expert in that field.
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July 15, 2011 10:44am
mikenmild

The difficult with attacking the IPCC is that it involves buying in to the biggest conspiracy theory since conspiracy theories were invented. After swallowing that one, it becomes comparatively easy to demonstrate that the moon landings were faked, the World Trade Centre was brought down by a controlled demolition, Celts settled New Zealand 2,000 years ago and tinfoil helmets will protect you ffrom alien mind control.
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July 15, 2011 10:54am
krazykiwi

mikenmild – just 5mins on Google should help you out. The IPCC has corrupted science, and plenty of otherwise excellent scientists. They should be have their funding cut and be disbanded immediately.
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July 15, 2011 11:08am
RightNow

Well mikenmild, here’s the way I see it. It’s like a police investigation where they’ve already decided who did it, and they focus on that suspect to the exclusion of all others.
There are political ends to be achieved, and making people believe a new tax is the only way to save the world is devilishly clever don’t you think? And an ideal excuse to implement more global government.
In the meantime, the actual climate is not following the models and the ocean rise has slowed. Extreme weather events are not unprecedented as anyone capable of using google can verify for themselves.
Power bills are rising pushing more people into fuel poverty. Germany in deciding to shut down nuclear power are building more coal power to make up for it. How’s that helping?
The biggest names advocating we reduce our carbon emissions are those with private jets, multiple homes around the world and carbon footprints the size of cities.
When the warmist advocates stop flying around the world to climate conferences they might have more credibility, but as long as they aren’t scared enough to do that why the hell would you believe them? They don’t believe it, look at them. If you really believed CO2 would wreck the planet would you really keep flying to conferences when you could video conference?
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July 15, 2011 11:13am
mikenmild

RightNow

I’m sorry, but you are arguing for a vast conspiracy involving probably ten of thousands of people. That’s simply not credible
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July 15, 2011 11:16am
krazykiwi

A few stories from IPCC insiders here.
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July 15, 2011 11:19am
Luc Hansen

# RightNow (2,870) Says:
July 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am

Luc, you’re so well informed, what is climate sensitivity to a doubling of CO2 from pre-industrial levels (i.e. 290ppmv)?

Hey, I can answer that!

But bear in mind the actual science is not of great interest to me, I just look at what the science community agrees on, especially when the agreement is virtually unanimous.

The answer basically clusters around 1.2C for average global temperature rise directly attributable to the effect of doubling of CO2 from pre-industrial levels.

Do you agree or disagree?
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July 15, 2011 11:20am
Luc Hansen

KK

Now I’ve answered yours, can you please answer mine?
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July 15, 2011 11:21am
RightNow

Yay, something you actually addressed. I’ll agree with your carefully phrased answer (that most assessments are clustered around 1.2 deg). It’s not scary now is it? In fact 1.2deg C warmer would be very beneficial don’t you think?
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July 15, 2011 11:23am
Luc Hansen

tinfoil helmets will protect you from alien mind control.

It’s worked for me.

What’s your problem with it?

😉
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July 15, 2011 11:24am
Luc Hansen

KK

Ah, that requires a “That depends” answer.

But generally, sure, I agree.

There, see, we are on the same page.

I’ll let Jim Hansen know I have made a convert.
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July 15, 2011 11:26am
RightNow

Luc, what actions does Jim Hansen propose to address climate change? Is he in favour of a carbon tax such as Australia is about to implement? Or perhaps an ETS like NZ has?
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July 15, 2011 11:29am
krazykiwi

mikenmilk – Suggest you read this: UN’s Climate Bible Gets 21 ‘F’s on Report Card

— all 18,531 references cited in the 2007 IPCC report were examined
— 5,587 are not peer-reviewed
— IPCC chairman’s claim that the report relies solely on peer-reviewed sources is not supported
— each chapter was audited three times; the result most favorable to the IPCC was used
— 21 out of 44 chapters contain so few peer-reviewed references, they get an F
— 43 citizen auditors in 12 countries participated in this project
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July 15, 2011 11:30am
RightNow

mikenmild, can you tell me what the IPCC says the world should be doing to stop AGW?
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July 15, 2011 11:30am
Pete George

Do you realise you are still on yesterday’s GD?
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July 15, 2011 11:33am
Luc Hansen

RN

He favours what he calls a Fee and Dividend approach. We would call it a tax and rebate scheme.

The idea is to have an across-the-board carbon tax, collected centrally, with all revenues returned equally to all individual taxpayers.

That way, we can make rational decisions based on a concrete price signal.

Funny thing is, it’s the market-first people most opposed to this approach, preferring government intervention aka Liberals in Aussie.
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July 15, 2011 11:35am
krazykiwi

Now I’ve answered yours, can you please answer mine?

My answers are No,No, No, and on the basis of the previous three answers, No.

And to Pete .. Yes 🙂
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July 15, 2011 11:35am
Luc Hansen

Pete

No.

Thank you.
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July 15, 2011 11:36am
RightNow

Luc, it wouldn’t raise my heckles so much if the bankers and market traders weren’t standing to make billions of dollars from trading carbon, but the fact that they’re all so keen for it to happen makes me suspicious as hell.
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July 15, 2011 12:03pm
Luc Hansen

RN Let’s go to today’s GD and I’ll reply.
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