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Monty

lovely weekend in Taihape – enjoying time with family and away from the internet and politics – . I didn’t even care what Trev got up to.

Any News?

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June 7, 2011 8:03am
shady

Unions against teachers performance pay – well there’s a surprise!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10730660

What amazes me about this is the article quotes Mr Duff as saying Florida is vigourously getting rid of the law – yet just in March this year it was made law. Guess who is trying to vigourously get rid of it?

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-teacher-merit-pay-20110326,0,5609667.story
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June 7, 2011 8:11am
Inventory2

Air New Zealand is getting a deserved arse-kicking right across social media; an excellent example of a SMOG (Social Media Own Goal)

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/air-new-zealand-grounded-by-smog.html
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June 7, 2011 8:15am
peterwn

Who was this Bennydale guy moaning about speeding ‘tax’ last week? Looks like the cops have had a very successful ‘revenue gathering’ exercise over the weekend. Not quite this, but with NO road deaths and presumably fewer injury accidents the positive effects on the health and ACC budgets, not to mention the flow-on effects throughout society must be enormous. The only losers are the undertakers.
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June 7, 2011 8:28am
Inventory2

Undertakers are never losers; it’s just deferred income, but they always get it in the end 😉
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June 7, 2011 8:48am
cabbage

Daktor Green has been done. Not a surprise, though i really do have to question the validity of Marijuana Law, when merchandise such as “Kronic” and “Tokoroa High” are available at dairys with Zero controls on their sale. It bothers me on a couple of levels.

1. Marijuana, unlike it’s synthetic substitutes has been extensively studied and is reasonably well understood by science. However, with the way the law is written anyone can buy substitute marijuana and smoke it to their hearts content. The long term and even Mid term effects are unknown.

2. If its not being tested for, It wont be found. Synthetic Marijuana is currently not tested for. This means any driver, Bus driver, teacher, builder, road worker, factory worker, mental health patient, could well be under the influence and be making sub-par decisions that could have potentially catastrophic consequences despite the de-rigueur of drug testing.

Its a bit of a mind fuck really that the law is such an ass that this can happen.
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June 7, 2011 9:17am
Murray

Peter claiming the 4 k/h tolerance has impacted on the road toll is an exceedingly tenuous claim. Under the system we have had both very high and very low road tolls during holiday weekends and the link has yet to be established and excludes other factors.

Since you seem in favour of it and all its claimed benefits how do you feel about lowering the speed limit to 45 on open roads?

Also the claimed zero road toll related entirely to fatalities. This does not mean there were no accidents. that stat would make for interesting reading for a start.
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June 7, 2011 9:20am
mikenmild

Cabbage – your solution? legalise all?
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June 7, 2011 9:22am
Sonny Blount

The cops didn’t have a ‘successful’ weekend, they made very little money.

Drivers and car manufacturers had a successful weekend, they were the ones doing all the driving.

Now that drivers have proven themselves I expect some credit and easing of the costs and blame foisted upon them.
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June 7, 2011 9:27am
Mark

shady (190) Says:
June 7th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Unions against teachers performance pay – well there’s a surprise!

I am pro performance pay for teachers but there is a caveat to that. The performance pay process and system has to ensure the following:

1. There is a professional and fair assessment process, that it is not left up to unqualified members of school boards of trustees.
2. To ensure that there is an equitable set of KPI’s that differntiates between the level of achivement for schools at Decile 2 v Decile 9 for example.
3. That there is a protection that the best teachers do not simply drift to the high decile schools that have better access to funds and leaving those kids in the lower decile schools with poorer teachers.

It would be great to see. I sit on a schoolboard of trutees and I can see that there would be complexities in comparing teachers from different schools and different areas. Who pays? How would the performance pay be funded.
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June 7, 2011 9:30am
Neil

I have just watched Fox News present one of the most amazing press conferences that I have ever seen. It was of Antony Weiner(D-NY) admitting that he had sent sexually provocative internet communications to six women all over the USA.
Weiner admitted that he had sent them and there was no case of hacking from Andrew Breihart, a conservative journalist.
Weiner admitted the whole cover up by him was a lie. 23 times during the interview he apologised. However unlike Chris Lee(R-NY), who resigned immediately less than a year ago, Mr Weiner quite arrogantly said that he wasn’t resigning.
During the last week liberal Democrat publications like the Daily Koss,Huffington Post,CNN and gues what The New York Times, stood shoulder to shoulder to Weiner bemoaning the hacking of Weiner’s website.That will not receive great publicity in the MSM
Weiner sobbed his way through the whole thing but when he didn’t resign it just showed the arrogance of that man .
It reminds me of Eliot Spitzer(D-NY) Governor of New York in 2008 who showed similar characteristics when he admitted using prostitutes. He also has another thing in common with Weinar- his religion. Very one sided arrogance by one of the chosen people.
Weinar should be expelled from the House of Representatives for lying. No he shouldn’t!!!!. Because Bill Clinton told porkies under oath and got away with it.
Advice to politicians, either keep your minds above the belt,disconnect your internet or become a priest.
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June 7, 2011 9:35am
MT_Tinman

Peterwn, I didn’t see you comment last time the road tax thieves changed the rules and the death toll went up.

Possibly the exorbitant price of fuel and the weather had something to do with the (almost) deserted roads over the weekend.
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June 7, 2011 9:35am
shady

Mark – from what I’ve read, it is linked to improvement in the child’s grades, so improvement is the criteria, not comparison to other schools in other deciles. Looks like it has been going since 2006, and only just been made state law in Florida. This doesn’t sound to me like something that is not working (except in the minds of the unions).

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/21/AR2006032101545.html
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June 7, 2011 9:41am
cabbage

mikenmild – No, I’m undecided on where i sit with Cannabis Law reform. I do however think there should be immediate controls placed upon synthetic substitutes.

I’m surprised the daktory survived as long as it did.
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June 7, 2011 9:41am
Ender

Road Policing Superintendent Paula Rose stated the zero road toll was as a result of “overt policing tactics” and better behaviour by drivers.

So thankful they aren’t blowing their own trumpet and saying it’s all because of the 4kph tolerance.
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June 7, 2011 9:47am
Murray

It could be that it was bloody well pissing down over most of the country and everyone stayed home or that we’ve had the living shit taxed out of us and we couldn’t afford to go out even if we wanted to.

Tricky blighters these statisitics.
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June 7, 2011 10:03am
Manolo

An Australian Luddite speaks to the local fruitloops and nutters:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10730649
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June 7, 2011 10:10am
Murray

I do not know these people http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/163356/catapult-protest-misses-target

They are “artists”, I am an experimental archaeologist and historian, I hit what I’m aiming at. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aprB_zwhJSs

Thats why I’m not allowed to set up on parliaments lawn.
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June 7, 2011 10:35am
georgebolwing

I liked to disconnect between the Greens promising to campaign against the “vicious recommendations of the Welfare Working Group” and the report that they had admitted that they were struggling to attract support in Auckland, in particular in South Auckland with its large beneficiary numbers. Dr Norman is quoted in the Herald as saying “It’s a matter of fact that when you look at the Green vote it is a kind of urban liberal vote and higher education is also associated with the Greens.”

So, what should we take from the fact that the people they are hoping to “save” from the government’s “vicious” policies don’t seem to want to return the favour to their saviours?

Is it that the Greens really are very conservative, and believe that the poor are too ignorant to understand that they have to be saved?

Or that the Green’s are a bunch of idealistic theorists, with very little personal experience of poverty, who have decided that they are right anyway and that if they engage with the poor in a meaningful, holistic, non-blaming way, the poor will come to appreciate that they really are oppressed?
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June 7, 2011 10:39am
KH

When you ask a politician –
“What is your 60 year out strategy for Superannuation, Kiwisaver and Investment”
What would the look on their face mean ?
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June 7, 2011 10:50am
tristanb

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/5106827/Sex-offender-played-out-fantasies

Now, there’s nothing more annoying than people posting a constant barrage of stupid sentencing decisions by judges. But this one made me sick:

Roy James Phillips, 28, “pleaded guilty to three charges of doing an indecent act on a child, one of attempting to do an indecent act and one of doing an indecent act intended to offend….Phillips had abused his victim… …over the long period of offending….Phillips was assessed as having a moderate chance of re-offending.”

You’d think, even in our country, that his behaviour would require a long sentence, to keep the rest of the population safe. But two years! Seriously Judge Denise Clark, are you that out of touch?

We have $15,000 fines for downloading MP3s, but let a paedo with strong fantasies who has already acted on them get a 2 year sentence? Sick.
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June 7, 2011 11:09am
david

What is is with the Greens and their inability to connect dots.

On the one hand they are bleating about the viscious report from the WWF and the recommendations to reduce Government’s expenditure on unemployed whileon the other they are proposing to throw hundreds of Westpac staff on to the streets by unilaterally moving the Government’s banking contract to Kiwibank.

On the one hand mad Russel is complaining that the Government’s banking contract has not been tested by public tender for 20 years and it should be ( as if it is the sort of thing that could be switched to the lowest bidder every year or two – like all the banks have the systems and capacity available to go all the time) while on the other hand proposed unilaterally moving the Government’s banking contract to Kiwibank regardless of the cost, efficiency or ability of that “institution” to pick up the work.

The man is certifiable !
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June 7, 2011 11:23am
RightNow

Neil at 9:35 am: The Weiner story has been riveting from the start – he claimed his account was hacked but never asked for anyone to investigate it, nor could he say ‘with certitude’ that it wasn’t a picture of him in his boxers.
What I also find funny though, is Weiner’s wife is an aide to Hillary Clinton. The two of them have so much in common.
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June 7, 2011 11:29am
Viking2

HOLY SHIT.

LOOK AT THIS!
GOVERNMENT DEBT NOW 71.6 BILLION!!!! FAR OUT.

JOHN HARTEVELT
Last updated 11:00 07/06/2011

First glimpse of English’s ‘Zero Budget’

The Government’s debt mountain continues to grow, with gross debt now up to $71.6b – more than a third of the value of the whole economy – according to figures out today.

Treasury today released the Government’s financial statements for the 10 months ended April 30 amidst criticism that more debt is being taken on than necessary.

The accounts show gross debt was $2.9b, or 4.2 per cent higher than forecast, mostly because of the near record high Kiwi dollar which added $824m to the cost of debt.

Also contributing to the ballooning debt was high demand to buy Government debt bonds, which added a further $751m to the mountain.

Overall, the $71.6b of gross debt was $19.6b higher than the same time last year, which added a further $559m in debt servicing costs.

Labour and the Council of Trade of Trade Unions this morning said the Government was borrowing $100m a week more than it needed to.

The Government was ”trying to scare people” by saying it was borrowing so much, the CTU said.

However, Finance Minister Bill English said some borrowing had been brought forward because of ”favourable” conditions.

”It means that we’ve now got the money in the bank to help fund the Canterbury rebuild and it means that over the next 12 months, we’ll need to be borrowing significantly less,” English said.

The accounts showed revenue at $46.4b and expenditure 0.9 per cent below forecast at $56.3b, creating a $10.9b operating deficit, before taking in to account gains and losses on investments.

However, the deficit was still projected to grow a further $5.8b in the next two months, out to $16.7b by the end of June.

”The growth in the deficit is largely a result of sharp increases in forecast expenses, most notably earthquake related costs, the weathertight homes assistance package and costs associated with the ETS,” the Treasury said.

English said the deficit would to fall back to below $10b next year and then ”be virtually eliminated” in 2013/14. The Government would then start running surpluses and repaying debt.

The ”front-loading” of debt would allow the weekly borrowing to fall back to $100m in the next financial year.

– Stuff
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June 7, 2011 11:34am
Murray

Jesus Viking need a nappy change much?

Thats far too excited for a Tuesday morning.
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June 7, 2011 11:48am
Manolo

Bill English is as believable as the Tooth Fairy or Penny Dim. Zilch, zero credibility.
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June 7, 2011 11:56am
Manolo

Is this the same Anthony Weiner? http://www.weiner.house.gov/issue_display.aspx?id=844
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June 7, 2011 12:28pm
cha

However unlike Chris Lee(R-NY), who resigned immediately

Weiner wasn’t posting on Craigslist seeking a sexy ts/cd.

Sexy Classy guy for passable TS/CD – m4t – 39 (Cap Hill)
Date: 2011-01-14, 8:55PM EST

New to area. Very fit classy, successful guy. 39, 6ft 190lbs, blond/blue. smooth hard body. Looking for a sexy ts/cd that i can spoil. I promise not to disappoint.
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June 7, 2011 12:44pm
Manolo

While Maori children are among the most neglected of the nation, their “leaders” fight over this rubbish:

A controversial Ngapuhi activist has laid a Waitangi Tribunal claim arguing the Maori King has no right to his title in a move he believes could spark a “rift in Maoridom”. Hapu leader David Rankin said giving Tainui leader Tuheitia Paki the title “Maori King” breached the sovereignty of other iwi.

Government ministers, departments and crown agencies referring to King Tuheitia as the “Maori King” are violating Article Two of the Treaty, he said.

“How can the sovereignty of Ngapuhi be protected if the leader of another tribe is said to be our king? This is clearly a violation of our tino rangatiratanga. “As far as the Government is concerned, they have no right to use the term “Maori King.” Tuheitia could be called the “King of Huntly” perhaps.
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June 7, 2011 1:27pm
Dazzaman

It could be that it was bloody well pissing down over most of the country and everyone stayed home or that we’ve had the living shit taxed out of us and we couldn’t afford to go out even if we wanted to.

In my case, both Murray. Not far from the truth actually, amazing how the traffic can thin out on a shitty day.

Nice trebuchets by the way. Got plans for onagers or other medieval siege weapons?
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June 7, 2011 1:51pm
david

Urgent call for Mr de Bries, calling Mr Joris de Bries. Please answer this page urgently, you are desperately needed in Australia.

http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/they-hate-niggas-out-here-us-hip-hop-star-labels-brisbane-racist-20110607-1fpt9.html

just make it one way mate.
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June 7, 2011 2:03pm
Manolo

Proof that Mitt Romney will not be the Republican candidate against the Messiah in 2012:
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/06/04/mitt-romney-the-world-is-getting-warmer/
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June 7, 2011 2:28pm
cha

Nah, Romney’s problem is the evangelicals who reckon a vote for Romney is a vote for satan..
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June 7, 2011 3:01pm
Rodders

Clare Curran’s latest stunt.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5109704/MP-removed-from-Parliament-for-wearing-rugby-shirt
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June 7, 2011 3:33pm
RightNow

A Weiner has been a very naughty boy:
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/weinergate-grows-another-woman-provides-sex-messages-his-account
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/06/weiner-sexting-partner-reveals-her-identity-reveals-%E2%80%98he-called-me-congress-phone%E2%80%99
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June 7, 2011 5:00pm
grumpyoldhori

A Tainui king of the Nga Puhi, bollocks to that, I have a head of state and it is not some Tainui in Huntly.
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June 7, 2011 6:26pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/sarah-palin-explains-paul-reveres-midnight-ride

Oh, goodness, just imagine if she really got her finger on the button
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June 7, 2011 6:39pm
Viking2

At least you have a King now and not a Queen.
Be thankful for small mercies.
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June 7, 2011 6:41pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/anames-nf/Arness+James

And Marshal Matt Dillion has left the building, the worlds gone mad
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June 7, 2011 6:47pm
nasska

It started out innocently enough. I began to think at parties now and then — just to loosen up.
Inevitably, though, one thought led to another, and soon I was more than just a social thinker.
I began to think alone — “to relax,” I told myself — but I knew it wasn’t true. Thinking became more and more important to me, and finally I was thinking all the time.
That was when things began to sour at home. One evening I had turned off the TV and asked my wife about the meaning of life. She spent that night at her mother’s.
I began to think on the job. I knew that thinking and employment don’t mix, but I couldn’t stop myself.
I began to avoid friends at lunchtime so I could read Thoreau and Kafka. I would return to the office dizzied and confused, asking, “What is it exactly we are doing here?”
One day the boss called me in. He said, “Listen, I like you, and it hurts me to say this, but your thinking has become a real problem. If you don’t stop thinking on the job, you’ll have to find another job.”
This gave me a lot to think about. I came home early after my conversation with the boss. “Honey,” I confess, “I’ve been thinking…”
“I know you’ve been thinking,” she said, “and I want a divorce!”
“But Honey, surely it’s not that serious.”
“It is serious,” she said, and her lower lip began to aquiver. “You think as much as college professors, and college professors don’t make any money, so if you keep on thinking, we won’t have any money!”
“That’s a faulty syllogism,” I said impatiently. She exploded in tears of rage and frustration, but I was in no mood to deal with the emotional drama. “I’m going to the library,” I snarled as I stomped out the door.
I headed for the library, in the mood for some Nietzsche. I roared into the parking lot with NPR on the radio and ran up to the big glass doors. They didn’t open. The library was closed.
To this day, I believe that a Higher Power was looking out for me that night. Leaning on the unfeeling glass, whimpering for Zarathustra, a poster caught my eye, “Friend, is heavy thinking ruining your life?” it asked.
You probably recognize that line. It comes from the standard Thinkers Anonymous poster. Which is why I am what I am today: a recovering thinker.
I never miss a TA meeting. At each meeting we watch a non-educational video; last week it was Porky’s, the week before, it was Animal House.
Then we share experiences about how we avoided thinking since the last meeting. I still have my job, and things are a lot better at home. Life just seemed… easier, somehow, as soon as I stopped thinking.
I think the road to recovery is nearly complete for me.
Today I made the final step. I registered to join the Labour party.
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June 7, 2011 7:03pm
Pauleastbay

Nasska

Christ if that’s what awaits me , forget Kiwiblog I’m off to http://www.thechive.com

The thinking mans web site
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June 7, 2011 7:37pm
nasska

Pauleastbay

It’s hard to fault “the chive” but it gets addictive…..like Kiwiblog. For a bit of humour try http://theoatmeal.com/tag/popular
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June 7, 2011 7:42pm
Shunda barunda

Well John Campbell just got his arse handed to him for his anti Christian bigotry, what an interesting interview!

While I don’t necessarily agree with Tamaki’s doctrine, I struggle to see what all the fuss is about here, and Metira did not do well on the interview, she seemed insecure and frazzled.
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June 7, 2011 7:42pm
Southern Raider

Re the missing man near Whanganui.

Anyone else more interested in how an unemployed man can afford to buy a piece of land, drive from Palmerston North a couple of times a week and build a brand new house all whille being on the benefit?
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June 7, 2011 8:06pm
krazykiwi

@nasska – love this stuff. Where do you get it all from?
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June 7, 2011 8:12pm
gander

Neil @ 9:35 AM

“It reminds me of Eliot Spitzer(D-NY) Governor of New York in 2008 who showed similar characteristics when he admitted using prostitutes. He also has another thing in common with Weinar- his religion. Very one sided arrogance by one of the chosen people.”

And this aspect of the whole sordid affair is noteworthy because. . .?
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June 7, 2011 8:23pm
nasska

krazykiwi

About 50/50 from a few spots on the net & by email from a few hard case mates.
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June 7, 2011 8:25pm
Nookin

Anyone noticed how informative and analytical the English cricket commentators are compared with the Aussies? I only listen to the NZ commentators when I am in need of sleep.
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June 7, 2011 10:26pm
bc

Dita Be Boni in an NZ Herald opinion piece commenting on Sir Peter Gluckman’s report says it all perfectly:

Getting kids into the system early may also help ease pressure on households where abuse is a real threat. A well nourished, well educated, closely accounted for preschool population would provide a real, tangible boon to our economy decades down the track. Even Sir Peter says so, so it must be true.

One of the greatest stumbling blocks to this and any other advancements in education is the blatant disregard this Government shows for education in its choice of Education Minister. Someone who has done nothing but alienate large groups of teachers, and seems to have absolutely nothing of interest or innovation to say about her portfolio, is a deadbeat choice for the job.

Instead of rotating the same old tired faces into this crucially important portfolio, let’s get someone really keyed up and enthusiastic in there, and them give them the benefit of lots of support and a stable budget – rather than one that’s constantly under threat – with which to ensure investment in our young people is maximised.

Instead of watching his son planking, or krumping with the young Nats, or showing up at the opening of an envelope, it would be nice to see John Key put his considerable brain to this issue of real, if unacknowledged urgency.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10730764
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June 7, 2011 10:58pm
Joseph Carpenter

Hmmm, I see Billy English is borrowing an extra 5 billion dollars right now before it is needed instead of 1-2 years time to take advantage of current low interest rates. Given that the extra interest you have to pay on 5 billion for 2 years is substantial he must be gambling on BIG rises in interest rates to make it worthwhile. Is such gambling of taxpayers money prudent (especially using Treasury predictions with their notable track record)? Or is he certain of the risk? What would you call a private company that front end loaded it’s borrowing draw downs in the knowledge it could set the future interest rates upwards (albeit indirectly)?
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June 7, 2011 11:30pm
Manolo

The power of Andrew Breitbart, conservative blogger:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_WEINER_BREITBART?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-07-07-40-44
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