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June 5, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 5 June 2011

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reid

Which is to say I know of it and don’t care.

Often this is where it ends up with Penny, FES.

OTY at your own risk, from here.
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June 5, 2011 10:26pm
joana

Len Richards recently quit teaching and is now working for a union. He was on telly speaking on behalf of Canterbury workers. He may be working for the same union as his partner , Jill Ovens..not sure.
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June 5, 2011 10:31pm
joana

He is a long time commie.
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June 5, 2011 10:32pm
F E Smith

read and understood, reid. I’ll go carefully from here!!
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June 5, 2011 10:54pm
Nookin

FES
You are on the right track. Pin it down to the case, the circumstance and as much detail as you can. Then read the case. You will find nothing untoward in the process adopted.

I reccommend a few practice sessions. Soak a new cake of soap for 15 minutes and throw it onto a tiled floor covered in liquid detergent. Then try picking it up on the run.

Regrettably, Penny’s defintion of judicial misconduct is any decision that goes against her or Vince.
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June 5, 2011 11:14pm
F E Smith

That is what I understand, Nookin. I know that most complaints against Judges are by people unhappy with the decision the judge made rather than the actual conduct of the judge. As you probably well know. But, and knowing the general view, Penny may some sort of point and the topic is relevant (although I think the Law Commission is talking through a hole in its head, to be frank).

Might be a bit late, now, though.
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June 5, 2011 11:35pm
TimG_Oz

Hi Reid,

Yes, I did (just got back now).

He was also a bit surprised by it, although he made the point that he is the ex-head of the Mossad, meaning that now he is part of the General public.

It appears that he genuinely believes what he says, although who can tell why he would say that. Whether he wants to influence politics, or increase his public speaking profile or is just a blowhard, it’s hard to say just yet. I guess any motive will become clearer in the fullness of time.

So, sorry, hard to see any major conspiracies here yet.

Thanks
Tim
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June 6, 2011 12:01am
alex Masterley

FES,

Because PB has banged on about the Bangalore principals (BPs), I read them and the associated commentaries.

There is nothing to say that they should be enforceable, indeed the overriding view of those who comment on them is that they should be non-enforcable guidelines only. Otherwise they would be as unreasonable as the client care rules that have been inflicted on us.

The problem with the BP’s as I read them is that they require a monastic approach to judical conduct. No contact with members of the community, no social activity, no participation in community activity as that would taint in some way the judicial officer.

If the standards of conduct contemplated by the BP’s were the case the cries that the judicary are out of touch would be correct.

Your comment that they add nothing to the judical landscape in New Zealad is on the money. The judges I know are careful to ensure that their conduct in public and at private functions is above reproach.

Nookin. Your last comment can be applied to anyone who loses a case before any judge but in the case of PB and Mr Siemer, bang on.
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June 6, 2011 8:35am
Mick Mac

Alex
When a judge is in debt to someone who appears before him and neither he nor the QC informs the court that this is so, (and all attending on both sides) surely that is a cause for concern and sanction of both of them?
Would you agree that the rule of law is brought into question and the fairness of the court to which they are both officers?
Would you also agree that it is the duty of any officer of the court to ensurethe fitness and fairness of the court BEFORE the execution of justice?
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June 6, 2011 1:35pm
alex Masterley

Not an accountant are you?
There was a a difference in shareholder current accounts in a company.
Thats not a debt.
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June 6, 2011 1:58pm
reid

It appears that he genuinely believes what he says, although who can tell why he would say that. Whether he wants to influence politics, or increase his public speaking profile or is just a blowhard, it’s hard to say just yet. I guess any motive will become clearer in the fullness of time.

So, sorry, hard to see any major conspiracies here yet.

Yes but Tim I explained all those points in the selected quotes I gave in my original post. All those questions have been answered. He is going public precisely because he isn’t in a position to block it anymore, that’s why he’s doing it. BTW if you think you might raise some distraction as to his reason for leaving in order to attack Dagan’s credibility, don’t bother, he was credible when he retired in January and he remains credible now. The fact he loudly disagrees with the Israeli PM and Defence Minister doesn’t in itself, make him not credible.

He clearly does think there’s a problem, doesn’t he. Why else would the ex-Head of Mossad (and yes I know he’s ex, why do you think that changes the point of my original post?) do what he’s doing? If Bibi and Ehud weren’t thinking of doing it, why would he be doing this? He clearly does think they’re going to do it – attack Iran – and he clearly thinks this is a dangerous move into uncharted territory and quite an irresponsible action. And you can see why he would think that, precisely, if you understand the first thing about the ME, can’t you.

This is the point of my original post Tim, I’m surprised you don’t seem to grasp the ramifications of an attack on Iran and if anyone would know precisely what those might be, you’d have to assume the very recently retired [in January] Head of Mossad would be one of the best placed people in the world, wouldn’t you.

BTW, is anything I’ve said on this topic so far, a “conspiracy?” Not everything is a conspiracy theory Tim, I’m surprised you don’t get that, I woulda thought someone like you would.
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June 6, 2011 2:08pm
F E Smith

Mick Mac,

further to what alex says, I understand that Justice Wilson did disclose the situation in informal discussions with the Saxmere counsel before the case got under way and the Saxmere team elected to proceed. What Justice Wilson didn’t do was disclose the full extent of the ‘debt’ or whatever you want to call it.

Wilson should have recused himself, but Saxmere cannot claim to have been taken completely by surprise here.

I still think that Wilson would have been successful in defending the complaint. His actions were very unwise, but not, I think, corrupt.
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June 6, 2011 2:54pm
alex Masterley

And Saxmere still lost with a different CA panel.
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June 6, 2011 7:26pm
TimG_Oz

Hi Reid,

Sorry I wasn’t ignoring you .. just been busy. As mentioned, Dagan is a free citizen now, so he can say what he likes without responsibility as Israel is a free country (one of the few).

I’m sure there’s something there, but I don’t know what … and I have bigger fish to fry right now.

Happy to give you my thoughts again in the future, but right now I have cheesecake to bake. mmmm.

Cheers,
Tim
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