General Debate 4 June 2011

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Steve

Who’s gonna be first?
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June 4, 2011 8:56am
Inventory2

Steve
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June 4, 2011 8:58am
Manolo

A Luddite plague descending on Wellington?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/5099482/Greens-face-decision-friend-or-foe/
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June 4, 2011 8:58am
Inventory2

There are going to be a few Green Party supporters spluttering on their organic meusli this morning:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/decision-time-for-greens.html

Who’d have ever thunk it?
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June 4, 2011 8:59am
Steve

Whoop whoop, start of a great weekend
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June 4, 2011 9:01am
Nookin

“Who’s gonna be first?”

Federer I hope. Wish I’d watched him take Djochevic down. Must have been a helluva game.
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June 4, 2011 9:01am
Nookin

IV2
In the article to which you link, you refer to “wins” with National. I hold out a hope, slim though it may be, that Key’s political philosophy will show that a good idea is worth looking at no matter where it comes from. Working with the Maori party demonstrates that, despite all the denigrations that we see, esp on this blog.

The Clark and Cullen approach was to ridicule anything based on its source rather than its sensibility. Nowadays labour simply ridicules the source and is so philosophically conflicted that it cannot even address the sensibility.

With the likes of Bradford and other redcore melons leaving or having left I suspect that some of the more astute Greens will realise that Key is someone you can talk to and listen and that if they can achieve something worthwhile thru working with the Nats, the Greens will acquire some political credibility. First, though, they have to decide what they stand for. They also need to learn that the way forward is not to ban or say ‘no’ to anything they don’t like.
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June 4, 2011 9:18am
Steve

Paul Henry’s book. Wreckers and haters will love it! Thanks to Whaleoil.
What was I thinking?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=U8_SXcILoX4
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June 4, 2011 9:20am
Inventory2

@ Nookin – I agree wholeheartedly. The Greens were strong advocates for the policy to retrofit older homes with insulation etc, and I am sure that there will be plenty of people this winter sitting in warmer, drier houses weho are glad that the parties could reach an accord, to the benefit of many. Such an approach also blunts the argument of those who claimed that John Key was a political novice who didn’t understand MMP.

In some ways, the Greens might be quite happy to see activists such as Bradford and Tanczos hitch their waka with Hone’s party. And although I didn’t agree with much of its content, Russel Norman’s post-Budget speech in the House was a far more impressive effort that Phil Goff’s shrillery. As I’ve said in my blog-post, it’s apparent that the Greens don’t believe that Labour will be in a position to form a government, so they are taking a pragmatic approach.
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June 4, 2011 9:29am
starboard

oh dear..

“Several people are believed to have died in an underground explosion in the Auckland suburb of Onehunga.

Police confirmed the explosion but could not confirm the number of fatalities”
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June 4, 2011 9:33am
Inventory2

Stuff reports three dead, five injured and seven still missing. Thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved.
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June 4, 2011 9:44am
Viking2

Where’s John with his hanky?
Bill with his struggling deficit now has another disaster to blame.

That’s not to dismiss the sorrow for the families and the persons involved but a comment on the propensity for certain people to wring all sorts of emotional blackmail from these events.
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June 4, 2011 9:54am
shady

Oh so how long before someone blames the explosion on the National Government and John Key!

Hearts with any people caught up in this disaster.

edit: V2 – twit!
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June 4, 2011 9:59am
Viking2

shady you are the twit.
You severely lack comprehension skills.
I didn’t blame the National Govt. I pointed out that this will be another piss poor excuse for the emotional blackmail used by that same National Govt. to excuse their failure to succeed for NZ. Hanky’s out again everyone for the deficit.

Condolences to those families and their workmates.
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June 4, 2011 10:18am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

You still came across as a fuckwit V2. Nice work.
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June 4, 2011 10:19am
starboard

agree Viking and understood.
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June 4, 2011 10:31am
nasska

Although Queens Birthday Weekend, as usual & expected, comes complete with a shitty weather forecast we have much to be grateful for. A warm fire, reasonable DSL, a troll or two to kick on Kiwiblog & best of all we are not shoulder to shoulder with the fruitloops attending the Te Mahurehure Marae.
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June 4, 2011 11:17am
Pete George

If anyone wants something exciting to do on a quiet Queens Clayton’s Birthday weekend check out this beta radical nudge at New Zealand politics: http://www.yournz.org.nz

It’s different, and an unknown quantity. If you just want to diss it or discuss the concept fire ahead here.

If you have anything constructive to offer, advice or comments etc, use the email link on the site.
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June 4, 2011 2:14pm
wat dabney

“UN report: “three strikes” Internet laws violate human rights”

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/06/un-free-speech-watchdog-blasts-three-strikes-rules.ars
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June 4, 2011 4:13pm
noskire

This could be of interest to small business owners in NZ.
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June 4, 2011 4:17pm
krazykiwi

@wat – having the ambition-filled UN poking its nose into our affairs is possibly the greatest violation of human rights!
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June 4, 2011 4:21pm
krazykiwi

@Pete George – I missed your comment count clicking over to 5 digits. Congratulations on that milestone.
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June 4, 2011 4:24pm
reid

Everyone knows how I regard the Greens but just because they’re the Greens doesn’t mean they can’t occasionally have a good idea, I’m surprised to learn. This is their first one ever however and they’ve been in business for how many decades now? Sigh. Anyway, why shouldn’t we give the govt banking contract to Kiwibank?

That is a bloody good idea.
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June 4, 2011 4:27pm
noskire

Agree Reid, and all tax-payer funded air travel should be with Air NZ where possible.
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June 4, 2011 4:30pm
wat dabney

A better idea is for the state to sell Kiwibank. If I wish to own shares in a bank I’ll buy them myself.
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June 4, 2011 4:35pm
noskire

Superb idea wat dabney. I’m sure Labour could buy it back at a better price.
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June 4, 2011 4:40pm
reid

I used to think that wat but over the years I’ve changed my mind. Yes it’s true that Kiwibank is still receiving the seed-capital of the bill-payment commissions processed at Postshops and that for three-four years in a row at the start, for some reason the reported net profit was almost exactly the same as that capital injection. Go figure.

But it’s now a stable mature institution and needs to stand or fall by pure market forces.

However I don’t see the downside of it continuing as-is, under the SOE model: i.e. it’s not broken so why fix it? I don’t have the same ethical problem with it that some market purists have with it, and I’m not saying you’re one wat I’m only saying that’s the only argument I can see that anyone has with the current ownership model. And IMO in a theoretical model that operates in the real world, sometimes you need to take the theory only so far. There are many areas of govt where the theory should be applied and currently isn’t being. For example the joint shared services model being trialled by Treasury, DPMC and SSC should be rolled out to all depts immediately. It is and always has been a no-brainer. Corporate functions of payroll, procurement, accounts payable and receivable, recruitment all work best on economies of scale.

I also think we should be coming down much more vigorously with respect to the exploration. We should have geologists and survey ships crawling all over NZ, right now.

Lots we could do. Do we need to do Kiwibank and if so which priority does the sale have in relation to those above examples and any others that may come up, is one of the questions.

Up to about 2-3 years ago my position was yours wat but since then I’ve changed my mind. Things might change in the market to make me re-assess but that’s why I think as I do.

noskire, a very good suggestion.
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June 4, 2011 4:53pm
noskire

reid, I think I might have made the point about air travel on Air NZ about a year ago when I flew to Auckland with my wife who had to have her spleen removed. Could have been done in Christchurch, but as she is under the care of the Auckland Liver Transplant Unit, the op had to be performed up there. We flew on JetStar, at about $800 each return. Surely there are some serious dollars to be saved by utilising what is in effect an SOE?
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June 4, 2011 5:13pm
nasska

reid

I think you may have missed one big advantage NZ has in owning a bank & this goes for everyone regardless of who they bank with….FEES. In the years between selling the BNZ & the POSB & the launch of Kiwibank we were scalped & sodomised by the thieving Aussie bastards for every cent they could get out of us. They closed branches left right & centre a practice which they found unnecessary when Kiwibank came on the scene.

There would be few votes to be gained by its sale.
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June 4, 2011 5:52pm
Johnboy

I wanted to buy Rabobank. Unfortunately I’m not Dutch. My significant other half (Flossy) didn’t like the idea.

Some creatures are never happy.
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June 4, 2011 6:01pm
Johnboy

Besides Crafar owes them a lot of money. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 6:03pm
nasska

Johnboy

You may have to lay off the Tangata Whenua. NigglyOldNative seems to have thrown in the towel & now OffWhiteWithanAttitude is taking a long time to recover between bouts.

They don’t have the stamina of your Penny.
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June 4, 2011 6:08pm
Viking2

The UN gets something right for once.

UN: Internet termination breaches human rights

“The Special Rapporteur considers cutting off users from Internet access, regardless of the justification provided, including on the grounds of violating intellectual property rights law, to be disproportionate and thus a violation of article 19, paragraph 3, of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.”

http://blog.greens.org.nz/2011/06/04/un-internet-termination-breaches-human-rights/
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June 4, 2011 6:16pm
reid

nasska @5:52 I agree.

Perhaps if the industry were less overt in its rapacity or better still didn’t even do it and just behaved like any other industry, life would be better all round.

They’re not the only ones who do it, the others being oil and pharmaceutical, all carefully managing their media image, with active help from them as well.
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June 4, 2011 6:30pm
Johnboy

Still waiting for Old Niggly Native to come up with the final bayonet charge regarding my wife beating activities Nasska.

I have FESter and GPT1 on standby as my advocates (see the PDS thread). 🙂
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June 4, 2011 6:38pm
nasska

Johnboy

I’ve been watching that thread…it’s shaping up well.
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June 4, 2011 6:41pm
Johnboy

I hate Fuckin Lawyers. 🙂

I have good reason apart from the fact they are all c***ts
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June 4, 2011 6:43pm
lilman

I know who caused the explosion at the tunnel today,it must ave been the Dairy Farmers!!!!!!!!!
I mean they are to blame for everything if you believe the bleeding hearts.
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June 4, 2011 7:01pm
Johnboy

Whats happened to my lovely Penny?

Where is my barbed wire?
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June 4, 2011 7:08pm
Tauhei Notts

Fifty one years ago, when I was eleven years old I trained for a boxing bout. The training was excrutiating, but by the time the bell sounded for the first of three 90 second rounds I was a fit as anything. It was also my last bout as I got thrashed.
This evening I watched a sickness beneficiary being interviewed on TV 3 about his upcoming professional boxing bout.
These days I pay a large sum annually in income tax (well, every four months or so) to fund, inter alia, sickness beneficiaries.
Nobody can go into a boxing match unless they are superbly fit. And that is for amateurs. Imagine what it is like for professionals.
My gripe is that I want to know the name and address of the medical practitioner that certified that the professional boxer was eligible for a sickness benefit.
Then I want to know the name and address of any Work and Income employee who authorises benefits on the say so of that medical practitioner.
This is a serious matter.
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June 4, 2011 7:23pm
nasska

A sex therapist is travelling through the Uk getting data on sheep shagging.
First he visits Fred Blinkensopp the English hermit shepherd in the Pennines.
“Tell me” he says, “what method do you use for sheep shagging”? Fred says, “Well I traps her head in a gorse bush then attack from behind”.

Next he visits Paddy Murphy in the Irish Mountains of Mourne and asks him the same question. “Well” says Paddy, ” Oi sticks ‘er back legs in my Wellies, grab her back with my velcro gloves and gives it ti ‘er good”

Next he Visits Jock MacTavish up in the Glens of the Highlands and again asks the same question. Jock says, ” I wait till we gets the herd back to the farm, then I trap a wee beautys head in the sheep run gate and go at the lassie hammer and tongs”

Finally he visits Dai Evans in the Welsh Valleys.
“Well says Dai, I sticks her left front leg over my right shoulder and her right front leg over my left shoulder and as she stands on her back legs facing me….
“Hold on” says the researcher…”this is unusual”. “Unusual?” says Dai, “what do you mean?” “Well”, says the researcher, “all the others in the UK take the sheep from behind, none of them face the sheep”

“What”! exclaims Dai, “No kissing?”
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June 4, 2011 7:30pm
nasska

I wish you well on your quest Tauhei but I doubt that WINZ will be releasing much information. I can see the Privacy Legislation getting a good workout next week.
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June 4, 2011 7:41pm
Johnboy

Nice to see the lovely couple from good old Wainuiomata collect the $200,000 on Lotto spin the wheel. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 8:07pm
Viking2

That just raised the GDP of Wainuiomata by 200.000%
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June 4, 2011 8:42pm
Fairfacts Media

Great Roy Morgan Poll in Australia.
59-41 for the Coalition.
Gillard’s Carbon Tax going down a bomb.
Surely, there must be some impact here.
Sounds like its time ACT did more to raise the issue of ETS and all the costs it will bring.
Eco-fascism is old hat and it is time National dumped it.
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June 4, 2011 8:43pm
Johnboy

You insolent bastard V2. 🙂

I’ll have you know that some of us are rich enough to buy our local MP.

He only charges $5.00. 🙂 🙂
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June 4, 2011 8:46pm
nasska

What a ripoff!
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June 4, 2011 9:05pm
Johnboy

It’s hard to get a decent argument going tonight nasska.

I’ve given the lawyers a good thrashing on the other thread but as usual they are hopeless.

Do you know any good jokes? 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:13pm
Johnboy

Here’s a song to suit the mood.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmnKCE99sYE
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June 4, 2011 9:21pm
nasska

An elderly couple is enjoying an anniversary dinner together in a small tavern.
The husband leans over and asks his wife,
“Do you remember the first time we had sex together over fifty years ago?
We went behind this tavern where you leaned against the fence and I made love to you.”
“Yes,” she says,
“I remember it well.”
“OK,” he says,
“how about taking a stroll round there again and we can do it for old time sake?”
“Oooooooh Henry, you devil, that sounds like a good idea,” she answers.
There’s a police officer sitting in the next booth listening to all this, and having a chuckle to himself. He thinks, “I’ve got to see these two old-timers having sex against a fence.I’ll just keep an eye on them so there’s no trouble.”
So he follows them.
They walk haltingly along, ! leaning on each other for support, aided by walking sticks.
Finally they get to the back of the tavern and make their way to the fence.
The old lady lifts her skirt, takes her knickers down and the old mandrops his trousers.
She turns around and as she hangs on to the fence, the old man moves in.
Suddenly they erupt into the most furious sex that the watching policeman has ever seen. They are bucking and jumping like eighteen-year-olds. This goes on for about forty minutes.
She’s yelling, “Ohhh, God!”
He’s hanging on to her hips for dear life.This is the most athletic sex imaginable. Finally, they both collapse panting on the ground.
The policeman is amazed. He thinks he has learned something about life that he didn’t know.
After about half an hour of lying on the ground recovering, the old couple struggle to their feet and put their clothes back on. The policeman, still watching thinks, that was truly amazing, he was going like a train. I’ve got to ask him what his secret is!
As the couple passes, he says to them,”That was something else! You must have been having sex for about forty minutes. How do you manage it? You must had a fantastic life together. Is there some sort of secret?”
The old man says, “Fifty years ago that wasn’t an electric fence.”
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June 4, 2011 9:24pm
nasska

A young fellow at the state fair stood watching an old
Indian. Above the old Indian was a sign that read, “$5.00 –
If I can’t tell you where you’re from, I’ll pay you $50.00!”

The young man watched a cowboy approach the Indian and ask,
“Is the sign right?”.

The Indian says, “yes.”

The cowboy hands him a five and says, “you’re on!”

The Indian looks the cowboy up and down, noticing some cow
dung on his boots and flatly states, “you’re from Wyoming.”

The cowboy shakes his head and says, “I’ll be darned!
You’re right!” and strolls away.

A second cowboy approaches the Indian and goes through the
same routine. Handing him the fiver, he stands and watches
as the Indian looks him up and down and notices a bit of
straw and cow dung on his boots.

The Indian says, “you’re from Montana!”

The cowboy, dejected as all get out, walks away.

The young man decides he’s going to give the Indian a run
for the money. He goes into the man’s room, takes his boots
off, scrubs them up, dries them off, puts on a coat of
polish and approaches the Indian. He hands the Indian a
five-dollar bill and says, “do your stuff!”

The Indian looks and looks, up and down, and appears to be
confused. The young man is now thinking he’s gone one up on
the Indian.

The Indian then says, “You’re from Arkansas!”

The young man gets really upset and can’t for the life of
him figure out how the Indian could know that, so he asks,
“How in the world did you know I’m from Arkansas?”

The Indian replies, “by the wool on your zipper.”
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June 4, 2011 9:28pm
Johnboy

Bugger you nasska.

I never realised you were that smart arsed cop me and the wife met just south of Taihape!

Well I never.

Electricity is cheaper than Viagra even after Max’s reforms. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:29pm
Johnboy

Maybe the cops should hire the Indian to examine Darren Hughes?

Just a thought. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:31pm
Viking2

On their wedding night, the young bride approached her new husband and
asked for $20.00 for their first lovemaking encounter. In his highly
aroused state, her husband readily agreed.

This scenario was repeated each time they made love, for more than 30 years, with him thinking that it
was acute way for her to afford new clothes and other incidentals that she needed.

Arriving home around noon one day, she was surprised to find her
husband in a very drunken state. During the next few minutes, he explained that his
employer was going through a process of corporate downsizing, and he had
been let go. It was unlikely that, at the age of 59, he’d be able to find
another position that paid anywhere near what he’d been earning, and
therefore, they were financially ruined.

Calmly, his wife handed him a bank book which showed more than thirty
years of steady deposits and interest totalling nearly$1 million… Then she
showed him certificates of deposits issued by the bank which were worth
over $2 Million, and informed him that they were one of the largest
depositors in the bank.

She explained that for the more than three decades she had ‘charged’ him
for sex, these holdings had multiplied and these were the results of her
savings and investments.

Faced with evidence of cash and investments worth over $3 million, her
husband was so astounded he could barely speak, but finally he found his
voice and blurted out, ‘If I’d had any idea what you were doing, I would
have given you all my business!’

That’s when she shot him.

You know, sometimes, men just don’t know when to keep their mouths shut.
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June 4, 2011 9:43pm
Viking2

My wife asked me, “How many women have you slept with?”

I proudly replied, “Only you, Darling. With all the others I was awake.”

Hospital Visiting Hours are 10 AM to 8 PM
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June 4, 2011 9:44pm
Viking2

A man, an escaped convict, breaks into a house to look for money and guns. Inside the house he finds a couple in their bed.

He orders the guy out of the bed and ties him to a chair.. While tying the homeowner’s wife to the bed the convict gets on top of her, kisses her neck, then gets up and goes into the bathroom.

While the convict is in the restroom, the husband whispers over to his wife: ‘Listen, this guy is an escaped convict. Look at his clothes! He’s probably spent a lot of time in jail and hasn’t seen a woman in years. I saw how he kissed your neck. If he wants sex, don’t resist, don’t complain….do whatever he tells you. Satisfy him no matter how much he nauseates you or hurts you. This guy is obviously very dangerous. If he gets angry, he’ll kill us both. Be strong, honey. I love you!’

His wife responds: ‘He wasn’t kissing my neck. He was whispering in my ear. He told me that he’s gay, thinks you’re cute, and asked if we had any Vaseline. I told him it was in the bathroom.

Be strong honey; I love you too.’
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June 4, 2011 9:45pm
Johnboy

Thank God for you guys.

I was getting really depressed over at the lawyers thread. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:48pm
Viking2

John Key goes to a science exhibition and is shown a time machine which can see
100 years into the future.

The man in charge invites him to ask any question he likes.

John Key asks “What will Australia be like in 100 years time?” The machine
whirrs and beeps and goes into action and gives a printout, which the man
reads:

“The country is in good hands under the new Prime Minister, crime is non-
existent, there is no conflict, the economy is healthy. There are no worries.”

He has another go, “What will China be like in 100 years time?” Another print
out:

“The country will be the world’s leading economy and everyone there will enjoy
the highest standard of living in the world”

John Key then asks “What will New Zealand be like in 100 years time?” The
machine whirrs and beeps and goes into action. The man gets a Printout,but he’s
just stares at it.

“Come on”, says John Key “What does it say?”

The man replies, “Buggered if I know ! It’s all in Maori!”
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June 4, 2011 9:49pm
Johnboy

What a greedy pack of horrid little tossers they all are.

Makes a man feel good to hate them really. 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:50pm
Viking2

Feilddays Special.
My New Truck

I bought a new Toyota Landcruiser and returned to the dealer yesterday because I couldn’t get the radio to work.

The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated.

‘Nelson,’ the salesman said to the radio.

The radio replied ‘Ricky or Willie?’

‘Willie!’ he continued and ‘On The Road Again’ came from the speakers.

Then he said ‘Ray Charles!’, and in an instant ‘Georgia On My Mind’ replaced Willie Nelson.

I drove away happy and for the next few days every time I’d say ‘Beethoven,’ I’d get beautiful classical music, and if I said ‘Beatles,’ I’d get one of their songs.

Yesterday, some bloke ran a red light and nearly creamed me, but I swerved in time to avoid him. I yelled ‘Arsehole!’

Immediately the radio responded with a speech by Hone Harawira.

Damn – I LOVE this truck
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June 4, 2011 9:54pm
Johnboy

I usally yell F***ing Dopey C***t.

What would the radio play? 🙂
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June 4, 2011 9:58pm
Viking2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYvMeT2GC14&feature=player_embedded#at=70
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June 4, 2011 9:58pm
Manolo

Has the Labour Party infiltrated the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank?
http://www2.timesdispatch.com/news/news/2011/jun/04/marshall-asks-richmond-fed-remove-rainbow-flag-hon-ar-1083565/
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