General Debate 3 June 2011

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slightlyrighty

Childish I know but……..first!
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June 3, 2011 7:59am
Ender

204 days till Christmas
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June 3, 2011 8:00am
pdm

On the road today from near Benneydale to Hastings – usually about 3 hours but must remember to keep to just 4ks above speed limits to fend off the revenue gatherers who do nothing for road safety.
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June 3, 2011 8:11am
PaulP

Not sure if discussed yesterday but SBWs boxing opponent being investigated by WINZ.

This just highlights what’s wrong with the system at the moment.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/5093952/Sonny-Bill-Williams-opponent-under-investigation

First ot was his voice but now he’s recording a gospel album so now it’s his elbow but he’s able to box. What next?
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June 3, 2011 8:15am
Pete George

What next?

The whole farce of trying beat people’s heads in is still seen by some people as sport?
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June 3, 2011 8:32am
Murray

More a way of life in this country Pete.
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June 3, 2011 8:34am
Elaycee

Saw the news last night that another 315 Borders staff in Australia have lost their jobs – the 9 remaining Borders stores in Australia are to close by the end of July because the receivers could not find a buyer.

And yet the union representing 28 of the 900+ staff in NZ is still bleating that the new NZ owners (James Pascoe Group) has [quite rightly] declined to accept any legacy claims against the former owners.

Perhaps the union here should be grateful that there is actually a buyer for the NZ stores (and jobs for the NZ staff), rather than the stores being closed down. Then again, maybe that’s a pterodactyl that just went past the window.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-end-borders-to-close-remaining-stores-20110602-1fhlq.html
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June 3, 2011 8:41am
Viking2

Filibustering costs taxpayers millions

Friday, 3, Jun, 2011 5:57AM

Labour’s being accused of deliberately wasting taxpayer dollars by playing silly games with ACT MP Heather Roy’s voluntary student membership bill.

Official figures reveal Parliament costs $450,000 dollars per sitting hour, around the same cost as the Te Tai Tokerau by-election.

For about six months Labour has deliberately delayed debate by debating minor points on other legislation, costing millions of dollars in wasted parliamentary time.

Mrs Roy says it’s not the delaying of her bill she’s so upset about.

“Delay is the only way the opposition can naturally stop something from happening,” she told Newstalk ZB. “That’s acceptable when you’re filibustering the actual bill you’re objecting to but I think it becomes unacceptable when you being filibustering other bills, particularly ones that everyone supports.”

Mrs Roy says there hasn’t been such prolonged debate on an issue since the so-called anti-smacking legislation in 2007.
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June 3, 2011 8:43am
Viking2

Viking2 (4,135) Says:
June 3rd, 2011 at 6:55 am

According to the radio news this morning Act’s heather Roy is saying that the labour opposition are filibustering on the Voluntary Student Union Bill.

I find it strange I do.
According to their previous actions in the House the National Party and Act have the numbers to pass the bill. They don’t need the Labour support nor do they need the MP support. They can pass the bill just like they have a bunch of other ones that have stolen away the rights of other groups of Kiwi’s.

So what is the problem here????

Have the Nats. decided that they don’t like to win? Have they decided to be fera.l as is their want. and piss on Act while at the same time shitting their own nest?

Do they believe that they need to keep compulsion in place to keep their friends in the universities close and their enemies in the Labour Party closer?

Do they have any shred of principle left in their organization? Seems not any more.

This will be of course a great disappointment to David Farrar as he has long campaigned ( rightly) for this compulsory injustice to be removed.
Perhaps this will be the last straw for David and he will do what all thinking Kiwi’s are doing. Quit the National Party.

Its the only way David to get them to change. Relegate them to being has beens.
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June 3, 2011 8:45am
Rick Rowling

Am I the only one who finds a whole lot of old skinny grey haired guys watching young muscled brown guys punch each other just a little bit, well, icky?
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June 3, 2011 8:49am
Hagues

Viking, as I understand it the Voluntary Student Union Bill has not reached debate stage yet. The filibustering is occuring on other bills that are before it on the order paper, preventing those ones getting passed in good time. Since these are private members bills they only get a small amount of parliament’s time each week allocated. What I don’t understand is why the government don’t pick it up as an official bill rather than keep it as a private bill.
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June 3, 2011 9:12am
Grendel

Viking,

i think the issues is they never get to the vote. Labour filibuster the bills leading up to it, so they run out of time and never get to the VSM bill. if they did, i think they could force the vote, but it never gets a chance.
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June 3, 2011 9:14am
James Stephenson

Rick – it doesn’t sound like there’s much “young and muscled” about SBW’s opponent…
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June 3, 2011 9:16am
Minnie

Viking2. Its a members bill, and members bills only get to be debated every second Wednesday or so. Its down the queue a bit, but all of the other members bills in front – from any member – have to be worked through first. Even the ones that everyone agrees on. So Labour, in a plan so cunning, have decided to talk endlessly about nothing on all of these other bills, in the hope that this parliament will never get to debate this particular bill.

Aren’t Labour clever?
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June 3, 2011 9:16am
Inventory2

@ PaulP – Sonny Bill Williams is a beneficiary-basher!

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/sbw-beneficiary-bashing.html

Quick Dr Brash; sign him up as an Act candidate!!
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June 3, 2011 9:18am
James Stephenson

Yeah Inv, and his opponent being well past his prime and unable, or unwilling, to hold down a proper job seems a natural for Labour.
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June 3, 2011 9:27am
Viking2

Hmmm, that as it maybe, but the Nats, can do these things if they want. They are gutless wonders when it comes to serious principle.
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June 3, 2011 9:32am
david

Hey minnie, do you think its so cunning that if you pinned a tail on it you could call it a weasel?
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June 3, 2011 9:37am
Hagues

Thats right Viking, nothing stopping National adopting it as an offical govt bill much like Labour did with Sue Bradford’s anti-smaking bill. This should be an easy one for them! But it appears they don’t want to be advancing freedom.
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June 3, 2011 9:40am
david

Viking2 – Perhaps the Nats are playing a longer game. The more pissing around that is caused by the Red Team deliberately screwing with the legislative system/programme, the more people will see them for what they really are. Unprincipled, uncouth, unreconstructed, unimaginative, unintelligent, unthinking tossers.
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June 3, 2011 9:40am
Minnie

David 9:37 yep, and about as effective as Baldrick sticking 2 pencils up his nose so he could be sent home from the front.
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June 3, 2011 9:58am
Elaycee

Billy was at school this morning and the teacher asked all the children what their fathers did for a living.

All the typical answers came out, fireman, policeman, salesman, chippy, captains of industry etc, but Billy was being uncharacteristically quiet and so the teacher asked him about his father.

“My father is an exotic dancer in a gay club and takes off all his clothes in front of other men. Sometimes if the offer is really good, he’ll go out with a man, rent a cheap hotel room and let them sleep with him.”

The teacher quickly set the other children some work and took little Billy aside to ask him if that was really true.

“No” said Billy, “He’s really standing for ACT at the next election but I was just too embarrassed to say.”
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June 3, 2011 9:59am
Dazzaman

I wonder if the Hemara’s have had a rogue kid go off at them to CYF’s? After all seems like they’re willing to take on rogue kids where most wouldn’t. The allegations sound fishy to me.

Friends seem to be coming out of the woodwork to back them up.

Link

Maybe a good scrubbing with a wire brush on all involved will uncover the truth.
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June 3, 2011 10:02am
peterwn

pdm – I hope you are not going to try and do Bennydale – Hastings at 104kph the whole way. There are significant chunks of those roads which warrant a speed of well less then 100kph. For the sake of fellow citizens how about NOT exceeding the prescribed speed limits even by 1kph and abiding by the advisory speeds on road signs. And if you are feeling a bit tired such as you cannot pay proper attention to your speed, how about taking a ‘power nap’.
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June 3, 2011 10:10am
si_rangi

Re baldrick and Tony Robinson – I have to say how much I enjoy his new life as the host of Time Team – for some strange reason I can’t stop watching it. Apparently its been going for over 17 years.
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June 3, 2011 10:30am
wat dabney

Yet another pieces about the super-abundance of energy resources. Perhaps the ignorant alarmists will finally shut-up about “peak oil” and using it to try to justify state control of everything:

“Are we living at the beginning of the Age of Fossil Fuels, not its final decades?…Eventually civilization may well run out of natural gas and other fossil fuels that are recoverable at a reasonable cost…But that is a problem for the inhabitants of the world of 2500 or 3000 A.D.”

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/05/31/linbd_fossil_fuels

Here’s a possible slogan for the next election:

“The Greens: Wrong about Peak Oil, Wrong about Global Warming”
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June 3, 2011 11:03am
Rodders

A stroll down memory lane

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5095731/Stuffs-Top-Ten-John-Key-moments
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June 3, 2011 11:29am
Pete George

how about taking a ‘power nap’.

I’ve tried that, as noddy as I might be when driving, if I pull over for a nap I can’t. Having said that I’m well aware of the dangers of nodding off while driving, it can be a bit scary and it’s been a close thing far more than I’d like to admit.

Time Team – yep, I find that fascinating too, it would be kinda cool to to dig up your garden and find stuff a millenium or two old. The best I get is odd bits of charcoal that may be from the original clearing less than a couple of centuries ago.

Re Greens – Wat if they are right?
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June 3, 2011 11:34am
Jimbob

This is an interesting site for some amusement.
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
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June 3, 2011 11:34am
grumpyoldhori

Rick Rowling, Brown punching each other, no dear boy when playing rugby we would punch the lights out of black,white and brindle, we were not prejudiced
Oh a word of advice, never punch a prop forward on top of the head, their head is a bloody sight harder than your knuckles .
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June 3, 2011 11:53am
starboard

*Newsflash*

Another baby found dead this morning in South Auckland..mother charged with assault , partner charged also. More charges pending. 50 bucks says the poor thing was moldy.

Whaddya got to say about that Grumpy old moldy??
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June 3, 2011 11:57am
side show bob

Where’s Shonkey and his idiot sidekick the Mad doctor?. I bet you won’t hear them talking about the arse falling out of the international carbon market. to quote the Guardian “The international market of carbon credits has suffered an almost total collapse, with only $1.5bn of credits traded last year”. Time for this farce to end, this government is straight out thieving bastards desperately hanging on to anything they can levy their taxes on. Shonkey claims he wants to lift NZ out of recession, what utter fucking bullshit, it’s full steam ahead with the socialist ideology.
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June 3, 2011 12:07pm
side show bob

Oh, hear about the boxer on the sickness benefit, fucking priceless. Seems he’s a long term sickness beneficiary, with a sore arm, perhaps he’s like grumpy and been punching prop forwards.
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June 3, 2011 12:12pm
Megatron

Starboard..I agree..
Let me guess…little brown baby, triple barrel name (if they bothered to name it before killing)..
same ol’, same ol’….
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June 3, 2011 12:41pm
Manolo

A profile of the man the Messiah wants to promote to the position of Commerce Secretary:
The president’s nominee is John Bryson, who studied at Stanford University and Yale Law School. He is the retired former head of Edison International, the parent company of Southern California Edison, one of the largest electrical companies in the U.S.

But he is, perhaps, best known for co-founding the National Resources Defense Council in the 1970s. The NRDC is a 1.3-million-member worldwide environmental organisation that is both respected and feared for its litigiousness and global reach.

Critics say the group has an obvious social agenda. Its mission statement reads in part, “We seek to break down the pattern of disproportionate environmental burdens borne by people of color and others who face social or economic inequities.“
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June 3, 2011 12:50pm
Manolo

Where’s Shonkey and his idiot sidekick the Mad doctor?.

Hell will freeze over before Labour lite backs down on its new tax, the ETS.
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June 3, 2011 12:51pm
Sonny Blount

Pete George (10,070) Says:
June 3rd, 2011 at 11:34 am

Re Greens – Wat if they are right?

Even if they are right Pete, neither of these issues is going to be a problem. Like most of the causes they come up with, they are well on the way to being solved before they are even identified. Alternative energy sources are evolving and have been in use for decades (centuries in the case of wind).

Remember the great environmental problem at the beginning of last century was how London and the rest of the world was going to cope with the hundreds of tonnes of horse manure being dumped on the streets every day, then along came the car, our original environmental saviour.
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June 3, 2011 1:00pm
Yvette

Climate Change URLs – links
About ten days ago I happened upon a massive posting of thousands of URLs or links to almost any global warming/climate change item you could think of – filled whole screen blue click-on links – but have now lost where it was.
If anyone has seen the same post I would appreciate the link, please.
Thanks to anyone who has it.
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June 3, 2011 1:02pm
Sonny Blount

This one?

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm
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June 3, 2011 1:05pm
krazykiwi

I’ve been watching this page for a while … and it’s been growing. Some hilarious stuff appearing as the alarmists flap round more desperately with every passing month
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June 3, 2011 1:29pm
reid

For all those here who would clap and cheer at the announcement of an Israeli strike on Iran, and who already do clap and cheer at Israel’s attitude toward negotiating a settlement with the Palestinians, have a look at what the ex-head of Mossad has to say about both of these things, and remember it, when next these issues are debated here.

After all, one would expect a recently retired Director of Mossad would probably know quite a bit about what is the best thing to do, with respect to these two issue. Also good to see though that my own personal long-standing positions on both these issues coincides precisely with what the Director of Mossad thinks. FIGJAM.
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June 3, 2011 1:43pm
Pete George

Sonny – generally yes, we usually manage to find new technology and resources to overcome problems or potential shortages. And there have been times in the past when there have been major setbacks or stalls in improvements.

But some time in the future we’ll come unstuck, or our kids will, or grandkids or some generation down the line.
Or we will get hit by some drastic disease that doesn’t rescue us – maybe not e.coli but something.
Or the sun will fizzle out, if we don’t blow ourselves up.

kk – it’s not alarmist to keep a wary eye on what could happen, is it.
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June 3, 2011 1:50pm
snowy

Boxing is the only true sport. All the rest are just games.
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June 3, 2011 2:00pm
DJP6-25

Elaycee 9:59 am. Good one.

cheers

David Prosser
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June 3, 2011 2:02pm
DJP6-25

wat dabney 11:03 am. Thanks for that link.

cheers

David Prosser
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June 3, 2011 2:12pm
Manolo

Wow!
http://travel.msn.co.nz/airlines/news/8256954/qantas-offers-redundancies-to-all-7000-of-cabin-crew
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June 3, 2011 2:36pm
reid

See this is why CEOs are paid so much. Only they are clever enough to have ideas like the Qantas guy just had.
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June 3, 2011 3:41pm
Manolo

Words of wisdom?

President Obama’s solicitor general, defending the national health care law on Wednesday, told a federal appeals court that Americans who didn’t like the individual mandate could always avoid it by choosing to earn less money.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/2011/06/obama-solicitor-general-if-you-dont-mandate-earn-less-money
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June 3, 2011 3:44pm
starboard

“Grumpy”…helloooo…”Grumpy what ya got to say eh?? eh??”
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June 3, 2011 4:01pm
krazykiwi

@PG, no it’s not. Most of those links aren’t a ‘wary eye’ though. And you know it.
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June 3, 2011 4:24pm
Nookin

Siemer v Stiassney

For those interested, there seems to be a distinct possibility that this saga may be close to over.

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/from/decisions/judgments
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June 3, 2011 5:36pm
nasska

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.
Once beer was discovered it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminium can were invented yet, so our early human ancestors just stayed close to the brewery. That’s how villages were formed.
Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as “the Conservative movement”.
Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ’s and doing the sewing, weaving and hair dressing. This was the beginning of “the Liberal movement.” Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as ‘girlymen’.
Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, class action lawsuits, the invention of group therapy &group hugs and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
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June 3, 2011 6:58pm
Mark

Is anyone else as concern about inflation risks that currently exists? and that we need a new Reserve Bank governer who is willing to start increasing interest rates now.

I fear inflation is going to take off next year and interest rates will be raised too late to combat it.
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June 3, 2011 8:01pm
Johnboy

I’m concerned Mark. I’m making fuck all out of my term investments at the moment.

Only debtors hail a lowering of interest rates as something grand. ——Oh!——Now I understand. 🙂
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June 3, 2011 8:14pm
LabourDoesntWork

Wisdom from John Stossel and Walter Williams on welfare and minimum wage. Totally applicable to NZ.
http://reason.com/archives/2011/06/02/government-against-blacks

These government constructs are as inevitable as death and taxes. If they worked then the grandiose promises of the left would have been fulfilled. Which is why people’s needs demand something a little rarer than the inevitable, to think outside the box.
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June 3, 2011 8:43pm
Johnboy

No Toad tonight. Must be off at Te Mahurehure Marae indulging in the rapture and practicing his Dirty Sanchez. 🙂
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June 3, 2011 8:54pm
peterwn

Nookin – Apart from the Crown, Mr Siemer must be the Supreme Court’s most regular client.
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June 3, 2011 9:16pm
wat dabney

“No Toad tonight. Must be off at Te Mahurehure Marae indulging in the rapture..

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/profits_of_doom_Z4vYnbz36Z7gLGxpCIbXhK
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June 3, 2011 9:23pm

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