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publicwatchdog

Manolo (4,517) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
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I hope this evil woman and her whanau do not get one dollar out of it.
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“Wishart said King will not receive any money for the book, which he expects will sell in the thousands.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/5202308/Group-opposes-book-by-Kahui-twins-mother

Gosh ‘Manolo’ – learning ‘issue by issue’ politics are you?

“As far as publishing a book is concerned, I have no problems with Wishart or anyone else doing it. The public will dictate its success or failure.”

(See- we agree on this point).

WELL DONE!

(About bloody time…………)

Where are the rest of your ACT / Liberterian mates?

Going to ‘stand up and be counted’?

Or are you too gutless to make a stand on principle in defence of ‘freedom of expression’?

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:30pm
reid

Where are all the ACT and Liberterian supporters on this issue?

Time to ‘walk the talk’ in support of ‘freedom of expression’?

Come on!

WHERE ARE YOU?

Who knows Penny for I’m none of those people. The only way I’d become a libertarian is if they paid (quite a lot for) ME to be a member, no-one else would ever know and all our meetings would be held at my insistence and their expense at Logan Brown, but sadly they don’t appear to value my membership that much for no-one’s ever asked me. Those big sillies.

Re: IMO this book, why not? Wishart apparently said she’s not profiting, that would be anathema but apparently it’s not happening, so so what?

I don’t have a problem with anyone learning anything they can from this so it is better understood. One thing I know about Wishart is he’s not a fool so I’m thinking there’s probably not going to be a lot of ‘blaming poverty and force majeur for one’s life circumstances’ which is what I’m sure, a great many lefties are hoping to find so it validates their own mental and frankly, poisonous and dangerous views on the real causal factors that become involved in matters like these.

So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, would you mind advancing my offer at the next activist meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.

P.S. I don’t do things half-way so at least bi-weekly meetings at lunchtime usually is my expectation here…
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June 28, 2011 7:31pm
publicwatchdog

reid (7,686) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:31 pm

So I’m pretty relaxed, really. You’re not a Libertarian are you Penny? Just if so, advance my offer at the next meeting and just leave a message back here sometime. Cheers.
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No I’m not a Libertarian ‘reid’ – but I’ve got a proven track record in defending ‘freedom of expression’ that would leave most of them for dead.

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:36pm
Viking2

That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
Never mind the kids and their fate and the arsehole who did this.
Like the Thompson thing it just must be shut down and not talked about in case some poor wee dear with a sensitive disposition gets upset. Well too too bad.

Sunlight is still the best disinfectant. Unfortunately it doesn’t come with scum killer options.
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June 28, 2011 7:36pm
bhudson

@nickb – 6:20pm

Perhaps the echo chamber ‘did his head in’?
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June 28, 2011 7:42pm
Elaycee

Jeez Penny, you write some stupid stuff.

If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.

If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.

So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.

EEEK!
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June 28, 2011 7:42pm
grumpyoldhori

Long Knives jesus christ England should be doing well, over a 150,000 senior players compared to our 27000.
Nope the team that is a bloody worry is France, you never know which team will turn up on the day,and the buggers travel well as shown by a 2 -0 series win over here.

England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs
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June 28, 2011 7:42pm
publicwatchdog

Viking2 (4,281) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:36 pm

That group of course will be all your PC, bleeding heart, socialist and paid counselor friends Penny.
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errr….. so you oppose the ‘book boycott’ Viking2?

I have no idea about the ‘group’ to which you are referring.

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:43pm
bhudson

@Penny,

It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)

So what you (and your friends) really do Penny, is conspire to prevent other people accessing justice.

Publicparasite is more like it…
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June 28, 2011 7:48pm
publicwatchdog

Elaycee (550) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:42 pm

Jeez Penny, you write some stupid stuff.

If I want to buy a book, I’ll go and buy it. If I don’t want to buy it, I won’t. Simple. But anyone who tries to tell me what I should buy or otherwise, I’ll tell them to get stuffed. I can make my own mind up.

If I want to go to a footy match, I’ll go. If I don’t want to go, I’ll stay away. But if anyone tried to tell me whether I should go or not, I’ll tell them to get stuffed too. I can make my own mind up and no dissident with a loud hailer would stop me.

So, in answer to your question – have I joined the witch hunters and book burners? Errr, no. Why would I want to stop Ian Wishart going about his lawful business and writing a book? His call. If it sells well – his gain. If it doesn’t sell, his loss.
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errr… you’re the one who writes some stupid stuff ‘Elaycee’.

We actually agree on this issue?

I’m defending freedom of expression – something that you don’t usually when it comes to my postings on Kiwiblog.

So you’re actually bothering to read my posts now are you ‘Elaycee’?

WELL DONE!

😉

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:48pm
Steve

Woof woof
get in behind and lie down you mongrel
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June 28, 2011 7:50pm
publicwatchdog

bhudson (1,234) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm

@Penny,

It would seem that the only thing you defend is the [apparent] right of people to waste our Courts’ time (also helping to perpetuate a backlog of cases waiting to be heard.)
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Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?

Meant of course in a respectful. caring way………

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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June 28, 2011 7:51pm
reid

Penny, thanks for your reply and can I make a suggestion: take a lesson from everyone else here and recognise online real-estate, that portion of the thread we see on our average screens is very valuable and use what everyone else uses here and that is respect for the rest of us, by dropping the branding and only quote portions of posts you’re replying to.

Drop your sig line for example, it adds nothing, we all read your name. Also stop quoting every single word of the post you’re replying to. Also stop using horizontal lines and use the italic or blockquote tags like the rest of us.

No-one who is a prospect for your protest organisation ever inhabits this blog, trust me and if they do, they already know you.

So all your carefully designed formatting which I imagine took just ages to put together, actually here, achieves nothing, so please, just drop it, as a favour to us.

Join in, all the time, as we do, but just have enough respect for all of us, to do what WE do to each other, while we’re here, just like all the rest of us.
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June 28, 2011 7:51pm
Elaycee

Penny – don’t get excited.

Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however, is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.

But a suggestion – perhaps next time you could keep it BRIEF!

🙂
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June 28, 2011 7:53pm
publicwatchdog

Steve (1,557) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Woof woof
get in behind and lie down you mongrel
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Don’t be mean to ‘bhudson’.

Eventually he may ‘get it’ .

🙂

I live in hope.

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:54pm
bhudson

@Penny,

“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”

The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.

By the way – for your edification – surely to remain “up to date”, my head would have to remain where you claim it to be…
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June 28, 2011 7:56pm
starboard

Penny pinhead your posts are so stimula…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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June 28, 2011 7:56pm
publicwatchdog

Elaycee (551) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

Penny – don’t get excited.

Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.

But a suggestion – perhaps next time you could KEEP IT BRIEF!

:80
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errr…… how do you know if my posts are ‘crap’ unless you actually read them ‘Elaycee’?

If you do read them – why do you pretend that you don’t – that you just scroll past them?

Please be a little more honest and consistent ‘Elaycee’?

(Meant of course in a caring and not excited way 😉

:80

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 7:58pm
Steve

Steve (1,557) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

Woof woof
get in behind and lie down you mongrel
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Don’t be mean to ‘bhudson’.

Eventually he may ‘get it’ .

I live in hope.

…
Please go home, Hope is in Alaska
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June 28, 2011 7:59pm
publicwatchdog

bhudson (1,235) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

@Penny,

“Try removing your head from your bottom ‘bhudson’ – it may widen your perspective and allow you to keep up to date?”

The country will applaud when you are designated a “vexatious litigant”. You suck our justice system resources dry while other, more deserving, cases are kept waiting so that you can try to feed the blight that is your ego.
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errr…. small technical point ‘bhudson’?

How can I be a “vexatious litigant” – when I’M usually the one who gets taken to Court – because of arguably ‘vexatious’ prosecuting?

PS: Do YOU support the Ian Wishart ‘book boycotters’?

Simple question?

Yes or no?

(You shouldn’t have to remove your head from your bottom for too long to answer that question?
or……….. maybe not……………

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:03pm
publicwatchdog

starboard (2,080) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:56 pm

Penny pinhead your posts are so stimula…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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So – you support the Ian Wishart book boycotters ‘Starboard’?

Yes or no?

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:05pm
starboard

yes.
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June 28, 2011 8:07pm
bhudson

@Penny,

“How can I be a “vexatious litigant” – when I’M usually the one who gets taken to Court – because of arguably ‘vexatious’ prosecuting?”

Your endless appeals to any and every possible court in the land…(Particularly as you and your buddy Vince claim bias at the drop of a hat. )

“Simple question…Yes or no?”

I support peoples’ rights to buy the book or not at their own choice.

(Unlike you Penny, I answer the questions asked.)
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June 28, 2011 8:07pm
Elaycee

C’mon Penny – you’ve taken one step forward, so don’t bugger it up…

You posted to ‘elaycee’ ‘nasska’ and ‘manolo’ so I read it. And I responded on behalf of ‘elaycee’. OK?

Now, promise me you’ll buck up.
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June 28, 2011 8:10pm
publicwatchdog

starboard (2,081) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:07 pm

yes.
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So you don’t support ‘freedom of expression’ Starboard.

Thanks for letting us know.

(How SAD is THAT? 🙁

So you’re obviously not an ACT member or Liberterian?

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:11pm
Pauleastbay

How is Wishart to know how many people boycotted buying a book if they don’t buy it?
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June 28, 2011 8:11pm
mikenmild

Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.
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June 28, 2011 8:12pm
bhudson

@Penny,

So how many people have you denied justice to today Penny as you and your friends clog up the system with unnecessary and unwarranted appeals?
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June 28, 2011 8:12pm
publicwatchdog

Elaycee (552) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:10 pm

C’mon Penny – you’ve taken one step forward, so don’t bugger it up…

You posted to ‘elaycee’ ‘nasska’ and ‘manolo’ so I read it. And I responded on behalf of ‘elaycee’. OK?

Now, promise me you’ll buck up.
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errr…’Elaycee’ – you must have forgotten your earlier post :

Elaycee (551) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 7:53 pm

Penny – don’t get excited.

Your posts are often crap. This particular one, however is reasonable and I’ve responded accordingly.
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Again – how do you know if my posts are ‘crap’ unless you actually read them ‘Elaycee’?

If you do read them – why do you pretend that you don’t – that you just scroll past them?

Now come on dear – buck up – or ……………

😉

Nice that you’re being civil for a change ‘Elaycee’.

Cheers.

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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June 28, 2011 8:16pm
reid

Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?

I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?

Because you insist on dominating the precious real estate by garish formats that detract from what we do here, which is look straight through the interface and read the words to ourselves. This Penny is how people read online and in paper and also understand GUI systems.

One of the strings in my bow Penny is I’m not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction. I know what colour combos are the most emotive and the most readable. I know how to make a GUI memorable and interesting and easy and I know how to present online words as well.

All I’m asking Penny and I’ve lost my humour on this, it’s not funny anymore, is for some simple human politeness. Some simple consideration and since you’re a lefty, I just know you fucking well understand precisely what I mean.

So no cute “oh what do you mean reid?’s,” please. Just none of those.

And no cute, “I don’t understand what you’re getting at reid. I don’t really know what formatting you’re talking about.”s, please.

Just fucking do it Penny. You know what. Just don’t fuck us around. What pray tell is your point in doing this anyway? Will you answer that? I hope so, but then I’m a really optimistic bastard sometimes, and then I normally cry cause I’m disappointed, which makes me angry cause I don’t want to show my feelings…

Refusing to buy a book written by Ian Wishart is not an abuse of freedom of expression; it is a matter of good taste and probably a sign of intelligence.

mm I woulda thought AirCon would float your boat but maybe I was wrong???
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June 28, 2011 8:16pm
Longknives

“England, even Portugal has a better average of scoring tries in a test against the ABs”

Do you think the Six Nations Champions really give a toss? Considering they were 2003 World Champs and runners-up in 2007?
Between World Championships NZ’s ‘rock stars’ can play all the swish,marketable ‘Candy Floss’ rugby they want and look pretty as hell on underwear billboards- but alas at World Cup time when England,France and South Africa fire it up and bring their ‘A’ squads this means diddly squat.
I’d love to see the World Cup drought broken but until we lose our perennial arrogance (as shown in your rubbishing of England) and the seemingly installed belief that we are ‘owed’ the World Cup I simply can’t see it happening…
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June 28, 2011 8:17pm
mikenmild

reid

i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.

Your kind suggestions for her earlier are going to be ignored.
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June 28, 2011 8:20pm
Longknives

I know, I know, it’s not a sports blog but it beats the hell out of debating obscure topics with Penny….
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June 28, 2011 8:21pm
publicwatchdog

bhudson (1,237) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:12 pm

@Penny,

So how many people have you denied justice to today Penny as you and your friends clog up the system with unnecessary and unwarranted appeals?
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errr…… I have NO idea to which ‘unnecessary’ and ‘unwarranted’ appeals you are referring that I have allegedly made?

Perhaps you would like to back up your drivel, ‘bhudson’ with some actual Court case reference numbers?

ie: PUT UP or SHUT UP?

Meant of course in a caring way 🙂

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:22pm
starboard

..f*** off Penny !

Meant of course in a caring way
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June 28, 2011 8:27pm
Pauleastbay

Reid

you may. be ….. not bad at the science and practice of human computer interaction, but I have some experience dealing with insane people, real rubber room insane people,

Rule the first. Never try and debate anything with them, why? because they are insane and by definition you can’t debate anything with them because ……

generally Rule the second applies

The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.

because if you ignore Rule the first Rule the second will be applied to you.
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June 28, 2011 8:28pm
reid

i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.

Yes I’ve tried that mm but she doesn’t seem to go away, this is the problem.

I think her issue is she hasn’t realised she has a role here not as a WaterPressure representative/main driver but as a mere commenter equal to all, a bit like the Roman Senate. But she’s not really acting like a Senator, instead she’s acting like Hone and Trevor would if they’d had a child together and called her Hulun.

It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key and that is ~~Russian national interest~~ Penny is Hulun.

The best thing to do is hold them down so a doctor can pump them full of drugs and they can be carted off for treatment.

Paul thanks for that helpful advice, which I take on board. Personally I quite like being held down while a doctor pumps me full of drugs. I wonder how I can organise that…
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June 28, 2011 8:29pm
bhudson

@Penny,

Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)

You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.

You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
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June 28, 2011 8:29pm
publicwatchdog

reid (7,688) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:16 pm

Penny you realise you may be the first victim of a spontaneous blog uprising in which we all band together and demand of our erstwhile host he immediately terminate your relationship with us, lest we all leave and then what happens to Kiwiblog?

I’m not sure if you understand how very imminent is this possibility and you know why?
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Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?

Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.

What sort of crap is that?

So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.

Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.

(Would probably improve the quality of posts to Kiwiblog if you ‘boycotted’ and I didn’t.)

I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.

So be it.

Penny Bright
waterpressure.wordpress.com
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June 28, 2011 8:29pm
Elaycee

Oh shit…. she’s reverted to type.

Here we go again.

ZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
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June 28, 2011 8:31pm
side show bob

Luc, if you wish to change your mind and sign up for the flotilla I have a spare life jacket, if everything goes right it should get a good workout.
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June 28, 2011 8:33pm
publicwatchdog

mikenmild (674) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:20 pm

reid

i think the only effective way of dealing with Penny might be just to ignore her posts completely.

Your kind suggestions for her earlier are going to be ignored.
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So – you don’t believe in freedom of expression either ‘mikenmild’?

You don’t think the attempt to limit the distribution of Ian Wishart’s book on the Kahui twins murder is important?

Why would you want to ignore such an issue?

Or – you just can’t handle someone who can defend themself or their opinions – so you just want to try and shut me up or shut me down?

Keep going………………..

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:36pm
publicwatchdog

bhudson (1,238) Says:
June 28th, 2011 at 8:29 pm

@Penny,

Nookin’, alex and others have quoted them near ad infinitum on this blog Penny. You and Vince get your butts handed to you on a plate every time you try to appeal (which, it would seem, always include accusations of bias by judges.)

You know the cases and hearings you and your friends have had. Each one wastes precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.

You leech justice from ordinary people Penny – you deny them access to justice through clogging up the system and wasting time. Do you take great delight at the suffering you inflict on those people Penny as they wait and wait for their cases to be heard?
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PUT UP or SHUT UP ‘bhudson ‘?

NAME the court cases to which you are referring that I have initiated which ‘waste(s) precious resources and denies justice to other, deserving, people.’

FACTS – not DRIVEL ‘bhudson ‘.

For a change………….

🙂

Penny Bright
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June 28, 2011 8:40pm
mikenmild

Penny, Penny, Penny

I’m all for your freedom of expression. As reid has pointed out, whether you are ignored or not will have no effect. You are free to display your foolishness.

No one is limiting the distribution of Wishart’s book. Some people are suggesting that it’s not worth buying or reading. I don’t care if anyone reads it. Ms King has had ample opportunities to tell her story and I doubt she has anything else much to say that I’d choose to hear.
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June 28, 2011 8:41pm
bhudson

@Penny,

Do you, Vince and friends celebrate the misery you cause others by having their cases delayed in the system? Do you delight in dancing on the grave of their justice?

What have those people done to you all Penny that they should have to suffer the loss of their rights? How have they wronged you so badly? Why do you persecute them so?
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June 28, 2011 8:45pm
kaya

Re Wishart, Book, King and the claim that she isn’t profiting from the sale of the book, it doesn’t mean she hasn’t already been paid a fee or “expenses”. Just sayin’.

Interestingly the FB page has close to 11,000 followers, a NZ record I imagine.

Sure, many of the posters are rabid, lynch mob types but there are many relevant comments too. The disgust at Wishart’s timing of release of the book while the inquest is happening is real, that’s pretty tacky marketing.

Also his claim on TVONE that the FB site is similar to book burning and that a boycott is somehow preventing “information” from getting out there is bollocks. He could have got the “information” out there without trying to make a dollar out of it. If he had then he would have had 11,000 “friends” instead of the lynch mob!

Wishart making himself out to be the last bastion of freedom of speech isn’t going over too well – bloody peasants, revolting indeed……
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June 28, 2011 8:54pm
Tauhei Notts

Reid at 8.16 p.m.
The best post on this blog, this week.
Reid, I hope you have a happy day. Intelligent contributors like you deserve one.
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June 28, 2011 8:58pm
mikenmild

kaya

Good points. Wishart enjoys pretending to be the victim. He’ll be teaming up with Penny and Vince to write an exposé of the justice system next.
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June 28, 2011 8:59pm
reid

Oh dear – you can’t handle the debate ‘reid’ so you want to ‘gang up’ and try and get me removed from Kiwiblog?

Yes.

Don’t just talk about it ‘reid’ – FILL YOUR BOOTS and DO IT.

I am.

What sort of crap is that?

I don’t know…

So – you don’t believe in ‘freedom of expression’ either ‘reid’.

Not for you in terms of how you present your words Penny. Whatever you say, is yours to own. But it’s the presentation of the words that has to change. Period.

Not the content, the presentation.

Unfortunately for you – David Farrar DOES.

Well, we don’t know that since this is the first time this ~~has~~ may ever have happened in the long, ~~lamentable~~ glorious history of Kiwibloggingdom, isn’t it. So there.

I didn’t realise you were such a bullying wanker ‘reid’.

Well I trust you now stand corrected, Penny. I mean crikey, isn’t everyone?
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June 28, 2011 9:02pm
kaya

Reid – what Tauhei Notts said @ 8.58 pm
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June 28, 2011 9:10pm
RightNow

reid, while not actually boycotting KB I certainly don’t visit/comment nearly as much as I used to largely because DPF doesn’t seem to care about us. He could stop this crap at any time simply by imposing a limit on comment length. Or by banning the nutcase (and here I agree completely with Pauleastbay).
But I have found I don’t care that much. It’s as easy as ignoring philu. You know the golden rule, don’t ~~stick your dick in~~ make eye contact with crazy.
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June 28, 2011 9:12pm
kaya

Right, I’m off to kill big robots and zombies in a gory, blood-fest on Xbox. It’s a very interesting game (for you gamers out there, you know who you are) which is obviously based on Ayn Rand’s philosophy. I know, there weren’t any zombies or robots in her books but if you know the game you’ll know what I mean!!

One of the central characters is called “Atlas” and another is “Andrew Ryan” (Not quite an anagram.)

It’s called Bioshock and is very good, beautiful graphics, atmospheric sound. All Art deco and gorgeous.
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June 28, 2011 9:17pm
publicwatchdog

For those who support ‘freedom of expression’ – and the concept of seeking ‘truth from facts’ – here is Ian Wishart’s facebook page.

For those who have the guts to make a stand on principle and are prepared to ‘swim against the tide’ – here is your opportunity to make your opinions known.

(It will be interesting to see how many ‘Kiwibloggers’ step up to the plate).

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Break-the-Kahui-code-of-silence-support-the-new-book/184638478257810

Good news for those of you who can’t handle robust debate – particularly YOU ‘reid’.

Off to have some tea now …….

🙂

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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June 28, 2011 9:21pm
reid

Thanks Penny.

Thanks Kaya and Tauhei.

Bioshock is great.
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June 28, 2011 9:26pm
Nookin

Bright v Police CRI 2007 404 000301
Bright v ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 (20/2/08)
Bright V ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 ((3/3/08)
Bright v ACC CIV 2008 404 8468 (2/4/09)
Police v Bright (Hubble DCJ)
Bright v Police CA 796/2008
Bright v Police SC 51/2009
Bright v Key CRI 2009 404 11
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June 28, 2011 9:59pm
Nookin

Reid (@ 8.16pm) rocks.
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June 28, 2011 10:20pm
Inventory2

12 people like your FB link Penny; over 13,000 like Boycott the Macsyna King Book. It’s all a bit reminiscent of the Botany by-election figures…
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June 28, 2011 10:25pm
Rufus

Reid, Elaycee, et al

Why not simply add Penny to your RIP list?

Works a treat.

No more Penny, no more Philu.

Saves a lot of energy and aggravation.

That is all.
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June 28, 2011 10:27pm
Christopher Thomson

Luc, sorry it took a while to get back and with the others reminding Penny that she is a legend in her own mind I didn’t have much reason to intrude.

Anyway, yes you should go. Unless you actually attempt to kill an IDF soldier you will be as safe as houses. Get on a boat that doesn’t have those that plan to be martyrs aboard and you will come through fine. It will give you much more credibility when you come back. It will also be one heck of an adventure. Remember there is already a kiwi who is going again. it will even give you a bit of tele time. You may only get this one chance. Remember “there comes a time in the affairs of men, that, if taken at the flood…….”
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June 28, 2011 10:42pm
reid

Reid (@ 8.16pm) rocks.

Thank you Nookin. Crikey. What a special, special night.

…
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June 28, 2011 10:46pm
expat

HI!

Another ‘riveting’ stream of shite from Penny…

WTF?

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

So why even bother to discuss the ‘GORMLESS’ one?

yawn……………..

More passive aggressive PROSE and FORMAT promulgating ill-considered lefty pissing ‘Penny’?

Situation normal.

sigh…………….. 🙂

Me
http://waddleoff.wordpress.com
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June 28, 2011 11:11pm
Megatron

Penny…go back to inspecting welds and leave us alone.
You seem to revel in the abuse that is piled upon you as if you have some weird self flagellating kink in your personality.
Get some help…meant in the nicest possible way.

🙂
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June 28, 2011 11:14pm
Nookin

There is something quite scary about the dishonest hypocrasy of some people who assert rights of freedom of expression. Take the Kahui book for expression. Penny asserts the right to freedom of expression. King has the right to write the book, absolutely. There will be those looking forward to the naming of names and that it quite understandable.

On the other hand, there are those who, as a matter of principle, take the view that Ms King’s right to write a book, on her own terms and depicting herself in her own perceived light, is subvervient to her obligation to tell the story to the police, the court and the coroner. These people take the view that the poor old taxpayer has spent megabucks to find out why two innocent babies were brutalised and killed and so, maybe, they should not have to pay any more to learn a truth that should have been public before now.
So, tell me Penny, why the people in the second category are gutless because that make a stand on principle and say that they will not buy the book? Is that not freedom of expression or do they only have those rights to express views that you find acceptable? Just like court orders are valid and to be obeyed if you find them acceptable? Isn’t there something very dictatorial, autocratic and undemocratic inherent in your philosophy.

You see, when it comes down to the bottom line, when you look at your underlying principles and the sheer intolerance of those with whom you disagree and the abuse you heap on them, you are a thuggish hypocrite. That is why you raise the ire of most people on this blog. You raise some good topics but will only debate them on your own terms. Your resitance to dissent suggest that you are only here for your own self-aggrandizement. I have said this before. Why not take a hint. Play the game or, if you want to do it by your rules, do it on your own blog.
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June 29, 2011 7:27am
Manolo

So much for the Messiah’s “Hope and Change”: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/obama-pushing-behind-scenes-to-win-over-big-dollar-donors/2011/06/24/AGO5NGoH_print.html
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June 29, 2011 7:28am
mikenmild

Well, the big change last time was Obama’s impressive fund raising.
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June 29, 2011 7:33am
mikenmild

Well said, Nookin.
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June 29, 2011 7:34am
Manolo

Oh, these poor and peaceful followers are so sensitive:
http://old.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110627/ap_on_bi_ge/ml_egypt_bearded_mickey
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June 29, 2011 7:35am
Nookin

Typo. strike “for expression”. Subsitute “for example”.
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June 29, 2011 7:39am
mikenmild

‘By the beard of the Prophet!’
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June 29, 2011 7:40am
Manolo

By the beard of the Prophet!

And Paedophile in Chief!
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