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General Debate 24 June 2011

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KH

Ryall is quoted as saying that once New Zealanders are sold shares in the power companies that foreign owners cannot be stopped from then purchasing those.
However if you wanted to stop that. It does not seem that difficult to do.
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June 24, 2011 4:57pm
reid

NZ is simply too small a market for most competition models.

Yes I think that too nasska. Look at our ridiculous mobile and internet rates vs overseas. My sister from Canada couldn’t believe how everyone texts over here. Over there it’s not often used. One could go on and on.

What’s the answer? I think we should vote for a Party that says it plans to create roving bands of consumer police who arrest customers who make stupid purchases at inflated rates. The penalty is, they have to buy the same product at a better store which has a cheaper price plus the more expensive stupid store gets its EFTPoS terminal disconnected for sixteen years.

I wonder if Pete’s listening? I hope so.

You could brand it as:

[Name of Party]: Creating a higher-performance consumer society.
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June 24, 2011 5:00pm
Mick Mac

I think its silly just going after ALQ militarily, they must also go after the financiers and the sovereign entities that turn a blind eye, many of whom are in Saudi Arabia. But mystn’t do that or the American heirarchy will loose their access to patronage.
Of course the whole ideology of Islam and it’s values must be up for grabs in order to pressure their world as that is what is behind it all, not American troops in Saudi or Jews in Israel.
AlQ is passed off a being extreme and a very small subsect of Islam.

But really is it? You’ve all read the Koran and the sira so you are all aware of what underpins the Islamic mindset.
Through out Islam non Muslims are worth less as people, that’s why they treat non Muslims badly when they institute Sharia in a territory.
AlQ are just pushing Sharia to the logical degree it can be. There is no moderate Islam at the end of the day.

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/06/24/egypt-christian-girls-kidnapped-and-%E2%80%98sold%E2%80%99-2/print/

This goes on all the time with the religion of peace. Where does the word kaffir come from?
Answer the Arabic slave traders of East Africa
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June 24, 2011 5:02pm
Elaycee

The NSW Government and the NSW Greens were presenting an alternative to NSW Farmers for controlling the dingo population.

It seems after years of the farmers using the tried and true methods of shooting and/or trapping the predators, the tree-huggers had a more humane solution.

What they proposed was for the animals to be captured alive; the males would then be castrated and let loose again. Therefore the population would be controlled.

This was actually proposed to the NSW Farmers and Graziers Association by the NSW Government and the NSW Greens. All of the farmers thought about this amazing idea for a couple of minutes.

Finally, one of the old boys in the back of the conference room stood up, tipped his hat back and said, “Son, I don’t think you understand our problem ….. Those dingos ain’t fuckin’ our sheep – they’re eating ’em!”

😉
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June 24, 2011 5:04pm
reid

I end up being forced to walk in annoying great circles so I can inspect the international trash items they are trying to sell me. When all I really want to do is get to a plane. And it’s a monopoly so I can do zip about it.

Maybe the market will one day offer a high-speed travelator service to, for a fee, just zip you straight past all the glittering baubles and party aids. Then again, maybe it won’t.
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June 24, 2011 5:08pm
calendar girl

Well said, David @ 4:06. That’s precisely what happens without proper commercial parameters and disciplines.
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June 24, 2011 5:19pm
publicwatchdog

Sofia (159) Says:
June 24th, 2011 at 8:03 am

A very scary video of a person advocating criminal acts against New Zealand authorities –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzccHIB3paQ

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errr……….. what’s the ‘criminal’ offence ‘Sofia’?

You are obviously not up with the play with recent International developments regarding the Human Right to water and sanitation?

http://www.canadians.org/media/water/2011/20-Jun-11.html

Arguably the ‘criminal’ offence is the ‘tampering’ with the water meter to restrict a household’s water supply, which is essential for health and sanitation.

(I’m simply showing how to remedy that ‘tampering’ 🙂

Yesterday at the Auckland Council meeting, I took along ‘Rita’ and ‘Peter’ (our demonstration water meters), plus a clamp which I had removed with an angle grinder, and explained VERY clearly to all Councillors and representatives of Watercare who were present, that the Water Pressure Group would simply not tolerate water restriction being used as a means of debt enforcement.

To assist – I used our demonstration water meters to show HOW water meters were restricted, and we would unrestrict them.

I took (and take) FULL personal responsibility on behalf of the Water Pressure Group for unrestricting water meters and training hundreds (hopefully thousands) of citizens to defend their household’s basic human right to water.

In the ‘bad old days’ (before the Local Government Act 2002) Metrowater (contractors) used to restrict water meters in order to try and punish Water Pressure Group members – although we had put in writing ‘letters of dispute’ – to which Metrowater had never replied.

We formed the famous Water Pressure Group ‘Turn On’ Squad, and took out the restrictors.

Then Metrowater (contractors) removed the water meters.
Water Pressure Group ‘Turn On’ Squad members then put in connections, which effectively replaced the water meters.

Metrowater contractors were then instructed to ‘permanently’ disconnect water services to some WPG members, which involved turning off the street mains, digging up the street and removing water pipes.

In broad daylight, after notifying the Council, Police, Metrowater and media – the Water Pressure Group organised the famous ‘street dig ups’ which involved up to one hundred WPG members and supporters wearing “DUMP METROWATER” sashes, and all having a turn putting our feet on the shovel helping to dig up the road.

The water pipes were replaced – concrete was then poured over the pipes, and the water supply was turned back on, all shown on national TV.

Metrowater had run out of plumbing options.
They had done their worst – we ‘undid’ it.

The result?

A law change, which the Water Pressure Group literally won ‘on the street’.
Under the Local Government Act 2002, it became unlawful to disconnect water services as a means of debt enforcement.

(When the people lead – the politicians will follow?)

Back in 2004, another significant victory was achieved when the Far North District Council threatened to introduce water restriction as a means of debt enforcement.

Here I would like to give full credit to Hone Harawira and others, who helped with an intensive 2 day campaign, involving local media, which helped to stop the Council in their tracks.

‘Rita’ and ‘Peter’ the water meters were taken up North, and we had street meetings in Kaitaia and Kaikohe where I showed locals how to unrestrict water meters if the Far North District Council went ahead.

We had the support of Public Health Officials, including the local Medical Officer of Health, against restricting water supplies and putting the health, particularly of children at risk.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=6500446

http://www.northernadvocate.co.nz/local/news/health-risk-feared-as-fndc-eyes-water-lines/3613791/

The Far North District Council backed off.

So folks! If your water meter is restricted using a clamp – here is how you fix it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzccHIB3paQ

(Thank you ‘Sofia’ for helping to ‘spread the word’. Much appreciated.

Other You Tube clips will be made showing how to remove restrictors in both ‘in-line’ and ‘manifold’ meters.)

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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June 24, 2011 5:27pm
Elaycee

At 1.42pm today I posted “Ex MP Guilty Of Pokie Machine Fraud” but now note that the Herald website has changed it to read “Ex MP guilty of obstructing justice”.

The Herald has proven again that they do not let the facts get in the way of the story they want to portray. Myles has been found guilty of obstructing the course of justice and he deserves to be punished accordingly.

But the Herald was totally wrong to suggest he had been convicted of fraud. Because he hasn’t.

It would be poetic justice for the Herald to be sued for this – it should cost them plenty. But chances are, we won’t even see a half arsed apology tucked away at the bottom of page 17.

We really deserve better from the MSM. But I’m not holding my breath.
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June 24, 2011 5:42pm
Put it away

Ahh I see Luc is back and still is a sworn enemy of reality. If you’re still trying to pretend that an atheist, weed-smoking, shroom-munching, acid-dropping registered independent voter whose friends say he had no interest in politics except that he hated Bush is likely to have given a shit what Sarah Palin says about anything, then you’re crazier than Loughner is.
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June 24, 2011 5:59pm
reid

There is no moderate Islam at the end of the day.

Mick my 2:41 linked to a book on Islam which I repeat for your convenience.

All reviews indicate this guy knows what he’s talking about and he covers both sides. He reveals the roots of Muslim antagonism to the West as well as why they feel the way they apparently do. To quote one reviewer:

There is no attempt by Lewis to hide the religious and cultural differences between Islam and the West that often harden into intractable antagonisms as the product of constructed as well as essential differences. It is argued that, as a prime builder of meaning in the modern world, history needs to be protected on both sides from distortions that promote the respective ubiquity of the infidel and the fanatic.
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June 24, 2011 5:59pm
mikenmild

Elaycee

Well, if Helen Clark could be sued for calling a ‘manslaughterer’ a murderer, then I guess the Herald could be sued for calling an obstructer (obstructionist?) a fraudster. Then we’d see Gilbert Myles get his reputation restored.
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June 24, 2011 6:00pm
mikenmild

reid

It’s a more moderate view than many expressed on Kiwiblog, anyway!
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June 24, 2011 6:03pm
Luc Hansen

More Obamaisms:

Some would have America retreat from our responsibility as an anchor of global security

Did he keep a straight face when he spoke this rubbish? …an anchor of global stability?

Read this for a start: http://www.envirosagainstwar.org/docs/CountriesBombedbyUS.html

And add Yemen, Pakistan and Libya to the list to bring it up to date, unless I have missed a couple, which would not surprise me.

Also, by proxy, add Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the Occupied Palestinian Territories (Gaza and the West Bank).

Ongoing threats against Iran, a country which has not invaded another country for a couple of hundred years (although it did counterattack Iraq after Iraq invaded).

Not to mention support for ruthless dictatorships everywhere, especially where there is oil, black gold, Texas Tea (except that it’s inconveniently mainly under sand elsewhere).

And involvement in coups, like Venezuela and Honduras, just recently.

But wait! There’s more! Lots more, sadly.
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June 24, 2011 6:12pm
Put it away

Jeez Luc, sounds like your romance with the messiah came to a sticky end. Hell hath no fury like a leftard scorned, eh?
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June 24, 2011 6:25pm
Rodders

Luc @ 6:12pm said “oil, black gold, Texas Tea”

I guess I am showing my age by recognising that quote 😉
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June 24, 2011 6:27pm
Viking2

Headline news.

Well not really but:
Quakes may force Sonny Bill to leave Crusaders
Christchurch’s shaky earth could force Sonny Bill Williams to leave the Crusaders.

With the Blues and Chiefs both options for the All Blacks midfielder if he re-signs with New Zealand rugby beyond this year, the 25-year-old yesterday acknowledged the earthquakes would be factored into his decisions about any possible move.

“I have loved my time down here but I won’t lie, it has been pretty difficult with the earthquakes and moving around,” Williams said.

Well fuck 0off them. you have been totally useless anyway and apparently Henry see’s him as a Golden Boy.
Well stuff me.
Over paid, full of bullshit, disloyal, and unable to keep to a contract. Labour MP in the making.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/5186073/Quakes-may-force-Sonny-Bill-to-leave-Crusaders

If it was not for Graham, Sonny would not be in New Zealand.”

Henry’s as stupid as Hart.
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June 24, 2011 6:27pm
Pauleastbay

Luc

has your broadband been playing up,? you’ve been quite, but today you are absolutely on fire,

.
i>Now, they should concentrate on quietly targeting the terrorists and not making new victims of innocent civilians, which merely become recruitment propaganda for the next wave of pissed off young people.

I agree but you’ll then bemoan the fact that un – sanctioned death squads are roaming the globe, mind you they could practice on Hamas and have a clean up there as well
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June 24, 2011 6:29pm
mikenmild

Viking2

Ha, ha, poor Sonny Bill,
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June 24, 2011 6:31pm
nasska

reid

……” He reveals the roots of Muslim antagonism to the West as well as why they feel the way they apparently do.”……

I haven’t read the book but I have read other offerings on the subject. It would be hard for anyone to deny that the antagonism Islam has towards the West goes back a long way & as usual in these cases the causes are multiple & deep rooted.

Problem is we have only one world to live in & the fools we chose for leaders decided to open the door & welcome with open arms people with a culture & religion absolutely committed to our destruction. There is no halfway house, no appeasement, no integration…. just an implacable hatred of us & everything we represent.

I, for one, see no earthly point of even bothering to research anything so incapable of change.
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June 24, 2011 6:31pm
mikenmild

nasska

What if your interpretation is incorrect, and Lewis is nearer to the truth? I’m yet to see any convincing evidence of large numbers ‘absolutely committed to our destruction’.
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June 24, 2011 6:35pm
Pauleastbay

V2

I wish you’d take a position on SBW , you seem fickle and easily swayed!!!!!!!!!
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June 24, 2011 6:37pm
joana

Geert Wilders , aquitted of all charges..Of course , he should never have been charged in the first place. Read more on Winds of Jihad.
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June 24, 2011 6:43pm
reid

I, for one, see no earthly point of even bothering to research anything so incapable of change.

I’ll let you know whose wrong after I’ve read it 🙂

Anyway, Tsn Tzu – know the way of your enemy, even if only all you can do is see it coming from a mile away…
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June 24, 2011 6:45pm
nasska

It’s spring, and the baby bear comes out of his cave. His knees are wobbling, he’s a wreck. He’s skin and bones, with big circles under his eyes. His mother says, “Junior! Did you hibernate all winter like you were supposed to?” He says, “Hibernate? Shit! I thought you said masturbate!”
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June 24, 2011 6:53pm
tom hunter

I see it took about 48 hours for Luc the Moron to crank up to full speed but he’s back to his best front-line protest bellowing of long-since discredited talking points:

My mate Bill O’Reilly just bemoaned the fact that Federal spending has risen to 24% of GDP. Bill, Bill, Bill, here is a little historical context:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Us_gov_spending_histry_by_function_1902_2010.png

Yep, you guessed it, Federal spending has been more or less at that level for the last forty years!

The graph combines all Federal, state and local government spending you oaf. There would also appear to be the typical Wikipedia inconsistency over data since a Wiki search on “US Government Spending” also turns up this graph, which shows the expected substantial increase in government spending as a % if GDP for the last two years. An examination of the specific Federal spending would show the Bush increases also, which don’t appear to show up here. Note to Luc: don’t rely on Wikipedia.

Except when it dipped sharply under…Clinton!

With a GOP controlled House and Senate that reversed the spending increases Clinton had so desired. You might note for future reference that it’s the House that controls the purse strings, not the President, so they actually lead the way on the budget as well as having the final say-so, including the ability to override the President’s veto if it gets to that point. Pity about 2001-2006.
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June 24, 2011 6:57pm
LabourDoesntWork

Ok. They wouldn’t print my web comment on the DominionPost’s Slutwalk article. Perhaps I should not have insulted the feminists for their stupidity and incoherence? (Therein lies the challenge when commenting on feminist antics.) No matter. Says it all, and more:
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/05/rapebait.html
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June 24, 2011 7:02pm
tom hunter

On a show where the host regularly incites violence to those acting at odds to his fundamentalist views, including being directly implicated in the killing of Dr Tiller, an abortion provider…

Not that O’Reilly is much a favorite of mine but “directly implicated” simply means that some US left-wing fanatic made the same type of empty-headed assertion that Luc just made. This then gets repeated in the lefty echo-chamber until it’s transmuted into a strange new substance known to the likes of Luc as a “fact”. Jay Bookman of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution wrote that O’Reilly “clearly went overboard in his condemnation and demonization of Tiller” but added that it was “irresponsible to link O’Reilly” to Tiller’s murder.

All this at a time when a victim of a regular guest, Sarah Palin, has just been released from hospital. Of course, in the twisted logic of these RWNJs, placing a state in crosshairs is not inciting violence.
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It was all the buzz at the time, if you remember, although I think it turned out no link was proven, that’s true. I should have used the magic word, alleged.

The following comment was also quite a buzz at the time:

Let me be clear, as a great man says: If you’re using this event to criticize the “rhetoric” of Sarah Palin or others with whom you disagree, then you’re either asserting a connection between the “rhetoric” and the shooting — which based on evidence to date would be what we call a vicious lie — or you’re not, in which case you’re just seizing on a tragedy to try to score unrelated political points, which is contemptible. So which is it?

Aside from the fact that Democrats had used exactly the same imagery and “violent” rhetoric it would never be possible to prove that a causal link could be made between a map with bombing targets on it and the mind of a man who turned out to be so insane that he likely won’t stand trial for the murders – although Luc may be projecting from his personal therapy sessions here. Though that’s only alleged.
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June 24, 2011 7:03pm
tom hunter

Notice that no reason was given for launching that war. We know, of course, that the stated reason proved to be bullshit (apologies to Hone)

There were 22 other reasons listed in the bi-partisan writ. They included relatively minor items like repeatedly violating the ceasefire that had allowed Saddam to live another day after his 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

, as if a country decimated by horrendous sanctions, sanctions that alone killed probably 750,000 Iraqis,

Debunked as long ago as Luc’s first appearances on this blog.

And finally ….

Talking about useless idiots, I see our fellow blogger, Ryan Sproull, has distinguished himself over the Alasdair Thompson affair, so much that he wound up in the NZ Herald.

I quote: “Women are actually paid less because they spend hours crying and gossiping and asking for directions.” Ryan Sproull, via Twitter.

Twittering idiot?

I suppose I should leave Ryan to defend himself but judging from the many comments he has made here over the years and his deep-seated, left-wing philosophy of life I’d say that tweet was sarcasm. Criticism such as this coming from Mr “Single Grope” is especially ironic.

While Ryan should know by now that this does not work in a tweet / blog environment all this really means is that the NZ Herald is as stupid and tone-deaf as Luc.

I’m tempted to get both a drum and beater for Luc to thump every time he repeats one of these points. However I figure the beater will be sufficient as he can simply hit his skull after each utterances – it will sound the same.
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June 24, 2011 7:11pm
Hurf Durf

Did anyone expect anything better from Puke Hansen? Moral equivilency applied equally throughout the whole world. Anti-Westernism based either on naive ignorance or evil malignance and I have no patience for either.

RE the Slutwalks, I wondered where I heard the name Ruth Amato before. Lo and behold:

Julia Wakim, Malcolm France, Tania Lim, Thomas Smith, John Darroch, Rochelle Rees, Ruth Amato and Minto appeared in Auckland District Court charged with disorderly behaviour and obstructing police after they protested the presence of Shahar Peer at the ASB Classic tournament in Auckland in January, which they say supported the oppression of Palestine.

It’s almost as though it’s a conspiracy. That would require Amato and Hansen to be competent, though.
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June 24, 2011 7:16pm
nasska

At an annual Bosses Night dinner in Auckland, lawyers,
sponsored by legal secretaries, it was time to announce the
Boss of the Year.

The master of ceremonies began: “First of all, our winner is a
graduate of Victoria University. So that already eliminates
some of you as candidates.”

“Our winner also is a partner in a downtown Auckland law partnership.
That eliminates some more of you. “Our nominee is honest,
upright, dedicated…”

A voice from the audience cut in:
“Well, there go the rest of us!”
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June 24, 2011 8:16pm
Oskar

Reid at 11am on the resignation of the NZTE China Beachheads Advisory Board, this NBR has some information but what is more fascinating are the comments.

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/nzte-rocked-mass-resignation-95871

While there is criticism – and some support – for the trade commissioners in China David Mahon does not come out so well.
If some of the comments are valid did he walk before he was pushed??
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June 24, 2011 9:00pm
reid

David Mahon does not come out so well.

Absolutely Oskar and that angle was in the Monday story when this thing broke here in NZ.

My position is: let’s see.

My question is: why would someone like Mahon do this were he not concerned and since his credentials demarcate him as a serious player does he have a point or not? Jim Sutton who deserves his pension for negotiating the China FTA isn’t concerned.

Is he right and if so, what is motivating Mahon?
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June 25, 2011 12:37am
Luc Hansen

Paul East Bay:

Luc

has your broadband been playing up,?

It’s been really bad tonight, Paul! But I’ve been away, then crook. Just finding my feet again, so to speak.

practice on Hamas

How about the IDF? Far more terrorism emanating from that source.

Tom the failed Hunter: facts wouldn’t change your mindset and prejudices, anyway.

Hurf: what have you got against sluts?

Anyway, good to see I’ve been of use today.

🙂 🙂
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