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June 23, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 23 June 2011

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tom hunter

Different lives starboard: working on farms in my teenage years I was with a ton of Maori guys who busted their gut during shearing and hay making seasons. Did not see any slackers in that world.
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June 23, 2011 4:10pm
Nookin

I see Stu Dickinson’s brother is a soccer referee

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/5183673/Cock-up-as-ref-tells-player-to-pierce-off
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June 23, 2011 4:31pm
Mick Mac

Mark Steyn defending Andrew Bolt over the ditch.

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/mark_steyn_on_free_speech_while_he_still_has_it/
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June 23, 2011 4:41pm
RightNow

Sarah Palin offers one of the best comments on the Weiner scandal:

“he was going to be rendered impotent basically in Congress”

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/anthony-weiner-would-have-been-rendered-impotent-in-congress-sarah-palin-says.html

Pun intended? Who cares, it made me laugh.
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June 23, 2011 4:51pm
Tauhei Notts

Alasdair Thompson’s comments and the hysterical response to it prompted some research.
In our firm time records are kept in assiduously accurate manner.
I note that over the past twelve months male average sick time is 22.1 hours and female average sick time is 37.5 hours.
Irrefutable facts.
Thompson’s critics should get back to the ironing board and stop their piffle and pedantic posturing.
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June 23, 2011 4:59pm
virtualmark

Lazy web: When are National and Labour’s party lists for the 2011 general election expected to be released?
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June 23, 2011 5:09pm
mikenmild

Tauhei Notts

And your conclusions from that comparison?
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June 23, 2011 5:12pm
Elaycee

Is there a race to see who can post the most number of inane, clueless and waffle based posts in the shortest space of time?

Hold it! We have a winner…..

🙂
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June 23, 2011 5:15pm
tom hunter

Did Tauhei not give his conclusion?

In order to have a real debate it’s necessary to know what your conclusion is mikenmild?
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June 23, 2011 5:18pm
mikenmild

I’m sure you’re right up there Elaycee
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June 23, 2011 5:18pm
mikenmild

tom

Maybe in Tauhei’s workplace it’s only women who take time off when family are sick. Maybe they have had an unusual number of pregnant workers. Who knows?
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June 23, 2011 5:20pm
KH

………..to Milkenmild @2.22
Fair point. It’s not just Iwi involved in contracting out the fishing quota.
Also it’s not a matter of Maori or Paheka not willing to work at sea. No New Zealander will get a look in at these jobs. They are only available to desperate underpaid asians, who their employers can falsely report are being paid NZ wages. Which they are not.
I repeat my initial point that maybe, given the environmental damage to oceans, and the complete lack of benefit to New Zealand of this rort, that the quota be cancelled and the ocean given a rest for a few decades.
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June 23, 2011 5:20pm
mikenmild

KH

Maybe. NZ claims to have the most sustainable fisheries in the world, although that doesn’t mean that they are in fact sustainable.
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June 23, 2011 5:24pm
tom hunter

Who knows?

That’s it? Really? That was your idea of a debating response?

Surely the point to debate is whether such differences in sick days between the genders would justify differences in pay at least in that workplace?

If Yes, then why?

If No, then why not?

I’d love to hear the left-wing viewpoint from a feminist.
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June 23, 2011 5:33pm
Elaycee

Tom Hunter says: “I’d love to hear the left-wing viewpoint from a feminist.”

🙂
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June 23, 2011 5:37pm
tom hunter

I was not being entirely snarky Elaycee. Every left wing man I’ve ever met has proclaimed that they are a feminist, usually in a stern voice that brooks no argument.
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June 23, 2011 5:40pm
nasska

KH

Quota to catch a certain tonnage of a particular species in a designated area is an asset to the holder, no less than a fishing boat or an office block. Quota can be adjusted up or down by the MAF usually after lengthy surveys by NIWA & then only if a marked change in stocks is noted. The last big one from memory was blue cod in the southern fishery.

You are commenting on something that is a property right. As such the owner of such quota, which is obviously a right to catch, can lease it to another person or company. Thus you could have an iwi owning part of a Maori Corporation which leases the quota to ABC Ltd who contracts a Chinese Company XYZ Ltd who employs an Indonesian crew on a boat registered in Hong Kong.

The Maori owners are just following today’s normal business practices.
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June 23, 2011 5:47pm
Elaycee

@Tom Hunter – please excuse my mirth – milkmilo descended on KB as a self proclaimed expert on anything and everything and posts accordingly. I’m just one of a long list that now treats his left wing dog whistling with the disdain it deserves.

I’ve seen him called a fruit loop / tin foil hat / moron / dog whistler / idiot / mung bean and so on, but this is the first time he’s been called out as a feminist.

Well spotted.

🙂
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June 23, 2011 5:55pm
mikenmild

How can a man be a feminist?
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June 23, 2011 7:16pm
Steve

Maori getting a rough time here today. I think they are doing well actually.

The Maori Mountain Climbing Association of Aotearoa would like to attempt to conquer Mt Everest and Mt Fujiama.
The Govt advise them to stick to Mt Crawford and Mt Eden
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June 23, 2011 7:17pm
KH

…….to nasska @ 5.47
Yes it is well understood that is a property right. And also business practice. (sad reflection actually on business practice – but that is another matter.)
But the current owners are screwing up the oceans productivity. With little benefit to New Zealand. And permitting the use of slave labour to do so.
So bugger their property right. Cancel the quota. Given the circumstances I have no sympathy.
I don’t see that as different in principle from the government’s recent decision to change the tax law on property I own (Depreciation is not deductible any more) which will reduce my income significantly and over time reduce the capital value of my assets.
Government for policy reasons impinges on my and other peoples property rights all the time. Quota is not different.
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June 23, 2011 7:22pm
Viking2

Maori Fishing.

http://www.nzcpr.com/weekly281.htm
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June 23, 2011 7:26pm
Viking2

Women Take Almost 50 Percent More Short-Term Sick Leave Than Men

In most Western countries illness-related absenteeism is higher among female workers than among male workers.

http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.com/
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June 23, 2011 7:27pm
Pauleastbay

Nasska,

jokes please, I believe KH has attempted one above but I didn’t find it funny or even making much sense
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June 23, 2011 7:32pm
Elaycee

A store that sells husbands has just opened in New York City where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates. You may visit the store ONLY O N C E !

There are six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch . . … you may choose any man from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband. On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 – These men have jobs and love the Lord.

The second floor sign reads:

Floor 2 – These men have jobs, love the Lord, and love kids.

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 – These men have jobs, love the Lord,! love kids, and are
extremely good looking.

“Wow,” she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going.

She goes to the fourth floor and sign reads:

Floor 4 – These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework.

“Oh, mercy me!” she exclaims, “I can hardly stand it!” Still, she goes to the fifth floor and sign reads:

Floor 5 – These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak.

She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor and the sign reads:

Floor 6 – You are visitor 4,363,012 to this floor… There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please.

Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store. Watch your step as you exit the building, and have a nice day!
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June 23, 2011 7:36pm
nasska

KH

Probably only differ from you on a couple of points.

1) The Maori held quota is mainly for deep water species & for quite a few years now the tonnage taken has been fairly stable. An exception was the orange roughy fishery. Therefore MAF & Niwa may have the quota set about right.

2) There’s room for argument that if we don’t fish it, someone else will. The cost of regulating the fishery & keeping unwelcome poachers out of our waters is largely borne by the quota holders.

The people running the Maori fishing industry are not daft & it can be guaranteed that they are getting a better return from leasing the quota than fishing it themselves. It is a commercial decision at odds with the employment needs of their own people.
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June 23, 2011 7:47pm
nasska

While in the playground with his friend, Little Johnny noticed that Jimmy was wearing a brand new, shiny watch. “Did you get that for your birthday?” asked Little Johnny. “Nope.” replied Jimmy. “Well, did you get it for Christmas then?”. Again Jimmy says “Nope.” “You didn’t steal it, did you?” asks Little Johnny. “No,” said Jimmy. “I went into Mom and Dad’s bedroom the other night when they were ‘doing the nasty’. Dad gave me his watch to get rid of me.
Little Johnny was extremely impressed with this idea, and extremely jealous of Jimmy’s new watch. He vowed to get one for himself. That night, he waited outside his parents’ bedroom until he heard the unmistakable noises oflovemaking. Just then, he swung the door wide open and boldly strode into the bedroom. His father, caught in mid stroke, turned and said angrily. “What do you want now?” “I wanna watch,” Johnny replied.
Without missing a stroke, his father said, “Fine. Stand in the corner and watch, but keep quiet.”
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June 23, 2011 7:50pm
Pauleastbay

KH

Leasing quota works for many reasons. Cancel quota stop income, genius.

Elaycee

like it lot, just shared it with two of those females types sitting across from me in the lounge and have ensured myself a very quite evening with no one talking to me
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June 23, 2011 8:07pm
nasska

A man is sitting at home feeling horny as hell. He digs around the house for loose change and comes up with $10, and heads for the local brothel. He approaches the madam and says, “I only have $10 but I am so horny! Please, please I just want to screw something!” The madam says, “OK, If you’re that desperate I can let you have a goat.” The madam instructs him to go to the first door on the right.

Once there, he sees a goat tied to the corner and a large mirror on the wall. He proceeds to go behind the animal and bangs away like crazy. He finishes and leaves.

A couple of days later, he feels horny again, digs around and finds $5. He goes back to the brothel and tells the madam he only has $5 but he’s really horny and wants to screw the goat again. She tells him he screwed the goat so hard he killed it. Instead, she could let him watch two women mud wrestle for $5.

The guy agrees and she instructs him to go to the second door on the right. He walks into a dark room and sees a few guys sitting in front of a large window watching two women mud wrestle. He sits down and says to one of the other guys, “This is great.” The other guy says, “Yeah, but you should have been here a couple of days ago when they had some guy rooting a goat!”
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June 23, 2011 8:09pm
Rodders

😀
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June 23, 2011 8:12pm
Pauleastbay

I’ll believe that Jim Anderton has retired from bludging off the public tit when I see him lying in a box with a stake driven through his heart.

There is still 5 months for ” my supporters have convinced me that I still have something to offer” speech to be made.

Watch this space.
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June 23, 2011 8:26pm
nasska

Last for tonight………….

The other day I was in an empty pub having a quiet beer by myself.
The door opened and in walked the most stunning woman I’ve ever laid eyes
on. 5’11” tall, stunning blue eyes, silky blonde hair, an hourglass figure
barely covered by a tiny mini skirt and a flimsy cotton top.. I could see
she was not wearing a bra and her incredibly firm breasts were on show.

After watching her walk in I turned back to my beer. No sooner had I taken
a sip when I turn to see her pulling another bar stool up close to me and
sitting down.

She said ‘Hi’, and I said ‘Hi’ in return. She asked how I was and took my
hand and placed it on her perfect inner thigh, rubbing it up and down.

‘So, does that make you feel good ?’ she asked. ..
‘I’ll bet you feel good,’ she continued. ‘In fact, I’ll bet you’ve never
felt this good before.’

‘Well, I have,’ I corrected her. ‘You see, when I was 18, I was picked to
play for the school 1st. XV in the Public School Finals in front of a crowd
of about 3000 and I felt really good.’

I immediately felt a bit pathetic saying that and I thought she would get
up and go but she took my hand off her thigh and put it up the front of her
top. Her nipple pushed into my palm as she massaged my hand into her pert,
perfect breast.

‘How do you feel now,’ she purred.

‘OK’ I replied.

Again, she said, ‘I’ll bet you do. In fact, I’ll bet you’ve never felt THIS
good before!’

Unbelievably I heard myself saying ‘Well, actually I have. In that game, we
were down by six points with about 20 seconds left in the match. The
Opposition kicked the ball deep into our half of the field, where I caught
it… I ran up field, side-stepping past the first few defenders, handed off
a couple of would-be tacklers, burst through a few forwards, chipped over
their fullback, regathered and scored a Try right under the posts with about
2 or 3 seconds ’till full time. We were still behind by one point, but I had
a simple kick at goal with which to win the match and……… ‘

“Ahhh….” she growled between clenched teeth, more than a bit miffed,
pulled my hand from under her top and thrust it down the front of her skirt.

My fingers immediately met what felt like a wisp of soft cotton , and she
was wet !!!!

She whispered, ‘Well tell me this, Mr. Rugby Man: Have you ever felt such a
perfect c##t?’

‘I certainly have,’ I answered, ‘I missed the kick.’
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June 23, 2011 8:26pm
Rodders

They have found a novel way of educating the British as to who their MP’s are

http://sexymp.co.uk/index.php?gender=F
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June 23, 2011 9:03pm
Elaycee

@Pauleastbay:

Must be something in the air – I got a similar reaction from members of the fairer sex here…

🙂
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June 23, 2011 9:11pm
Nookin

Nasska.
Thank you. One of the better ones.
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June 23, 2011 9:23pm

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