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toad

Spoils the fun of trying to be first when it goes up exactly the same time each day.
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June 16, 2011 8:05am
pdm

Anyone looking for a Commercial Investment $260,000 over 3 years @8% paid monthly – secured by First Mortgage with residential second mortgage available as additional security. Funds required ASAP. Email nig_dids@hotmail.com with name and contact phone number if interested.
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June 16, 2011 8:13am
hj

George Mombiot

“The right-wing denial of the genocides in Bosnia and Rwanda is bad enough; the new left-wing denial is even worse. ”
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/06/13/naming-the-genocide-deniers/
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June 16, 2011 8:21am
Longknives

Sheesh- slow news day? Nothing of interest in todays news other than Hugh Hefner’s 25 year old missus has left him after “deep reflection about their relationship”, Anthony Weiner has been sprung messing around with yet another girl (a Porn Star this time) and Graham Henry is still bleating on about referees and rather desperately trying to bully them out of penalising his precious All Blacks in any way at the World Cup. I might have to do some work….
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June 16, 2011 8:24am
Murray

No damage control meeting this morning then toad. Well lets face it, you all couldn’t really make it much worse than it already is could you. Its simply a question of which electoral law you’ve broken.
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June 16, 2011 8:25am
hj

People in the eastern suburbs of Chch are being kept in the dark; it is kind of like there is a war going on but it is all in the fog. I don’t think the media are doing a great job. When we can’t see who is shagging or kicking who (and risk being sued) maybe we could model the parties involved- incentive analyisis?
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June 16, 2011 8:27am
hj

I’m curious about the role of Roger Sutton as I did a bus. ad paper years ago. What does a highly paid big-wig do when a system suffers constipation. People do their own thing, e.g I cleaned the drain outside my house because from experience it floods if we have heavy rain and I figured the council employees are busy in the east. I didn’t need Roger Sutton to tell me.
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June 16, 2011 8:34am
hj

As the Crafar dairy farms receivership drags into the end of its second year, receivers have claimed more than $5 million in fees, while legal costs have topped $4 million.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/5139436/Crafar-farm-receivership-fees-hit-5-3m

That’s the cost of dishonesty.
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June 16, 2011 8:37am
TripeWryter

Can someone answer a silly question, please?

Is the United States Marine Corps gunnery sergeant on the Sky rugby world cup ads — you know, the “You WILL be ready!’ ones — a real US Marine?

Anyone know anything about him?
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June 16, 2011 8:39am
hmmokrightitis

Wow hj, a whole bus. ad. paper, all by yourself? Mummy must be proud. From your comments, I suspect it was wasted. Maybe – just maybe – having smart people like Roger Sutton, and not your good self in charge of recovery is because they are used to making big organisations work efficiently and effectively. Funnily enough, despite what the unions say, its not something just any plonker with a Bus Ad. unit can do.

I know, who knew huh?
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June 16, 2011 8:40am
Rodders

A laugh at Trev’s expense 🙂

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10732522
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June 16, 2011 8:45am
hj

So far Roger Suttons message seems to be A. “I’m busy. B. “I don’t know”
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June 16, 2011 8:45am
Ender

Kiwi consumers pay AT LEAST 1.3c per litre too much for milk! Oh the humanity!
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June 16, 2011 8:45am
hj

hmmokrightitis (55) Says:

they are used to making big organisations work efficiently and effectively
….
except that in this case he isn’t a CEO of a big organisation?
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June 16, 2011 8:50am
Nookin

On TV3 this morning, Garner said with absolute certainty that National gave Whale the links to do its (National’s) dirty work. Has this been established or is it now ok to make things up?
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June 16, 2011 8:51am
Yvette

Yesterday a major item seemed to be The top ranking Daily Show in the US has opened with a merciless send-up of New Zealand by host Jon Stewart covered online, radio and appearing to be important enough to feature on television news.
So I am left wondering if I am in old age loosing any sense of humour I had or did other people also find the few lines uttered to be just … well … frankly fucking lame?
And what if someone actually wrote something really funny for this guy – what coverage could New Zealand get then?

This was funnier
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xlIrI80og8c#at=67
anything must be …
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June 16, 2011 8:55am
Captain Neurotic

Another wee nugget of gold from Ms. Liz Shaw:

https://www.facebook.com/jhalcrow/posts/152401394833254
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June 16, 2011 8:56am
Whafe

Nookin – Garner wouldn’t know shit from clay…. I would love to know what proof he has to say with absolute certainty.

I do know however that all the Pinko Media peeps have really tried hard to keep this abortion by Labour out of the media. Can you imagine if the boot was on the other foot…
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June 16, 2011 8:57am
hmmokrightitis

hj, yeah, he started on Monday, why isnt Christchurch rebuilt and he reisgned yet? I blame National, John Key, right wing bloggers, Exclusive Bretheren, John Key (twice because Im sure he’s evil) and you.

You. Why you?

Because you are an idiot. Do you understand context, let alone English? He now leads a vital organisation. I suspect you can barely lead yourself to water. He hopefully isnt surrounded by dolts like you who think a single paper allows them the ability to criticise him after 3 days in a role. Twazzock.
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June 16, 2011 9:00am
Pete George

Nookin, it looks like it’s fine to make things up in politics . I’ve just been banned without warning at The Standard for hinting at a wee bit of hypocrisy. R0b had posted:

Whether they’re just stupid, or whether they know they’re spreading lies, it amounts to the same thing. National’s bloggers are trying to spread disinformation and concern amongst innocent members of the public. It’s a scummy tactic, but then that is their usual style.

I said “That’s an interesting accusation coming from you R0b. What would you know about that sort of tactic? ”

[lprent: r0b doesn’t. In fact he leans over backwards not to.]

I pointed out:

So get this folks. Attack bloggers for the Nats, a party which runs as a franchise of an Australian company (Crosby Textor),

…in a recent post by R0b, titled “You can’t make this stuff up”.

lprent then claimed that if R0b does it then it’s satire.

You really can’t make stuff like this up.
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June 16, 2011 9:01am
Nookin

According to Garner, National spotted the weakness but did not get access. Therefore, it had no idea what was inside or if there was any political mileage in it. If it had no idea that the file contained anything other than Annette King’s “Songs to Serenade the Moon”, then why would it enlist the help of Whale?

Guy’s a fuckwit.
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June 16, 2011 9:08am
Elaycee

@Yvette – the MSM in New Zealand is avoiding any investigative journalism re the Labour Party website fiasco, so they need something (anything) to fill column centimetres and to pad out TV time. In fact, the term ‘investigative journalism’ is an oxymoron in NZ so maybe I shouldn’t use it at all….

The Jon Stewart comment was lame – for sure. Apparently it was an overlap from a brief conversation (prior to the show going live) between the host and a member of the audience from NZ. Stewart refers to his audience frequently. Same with Letterman. But somehow it hits the Granny Herald front page. And then others repeat it. Including breathless Autocue readers.

All rather limp and pathetic – just another slow news day.
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June 16, 2011 9:10am
Put it away

Hj you’re even less coherent than usual today. Go have a coffee and come back
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June 16, 2011 9:17am
Falafulu Fisi

Nookin said…
Guy’s a fuckwit

You’ll soon be given demerit points by DPF for using that word.
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June 16, 2011 9:22am
hj

hmmokrightitis (56) Says:
You. Why you?

Because you are an idiot. Do you understand context, let alone English? He now leads a vital organisation. I suspect you can barely lead yourself to water. He hopefully isnt surrounded by dolts like you who think a single paper allows them the ability to criticise him after 3 days in a role. Twazzock
…

As I said I did a bus ad paper “years ago”… meaning I’ve forgotten most of it not that I’m an expert. But I’m interested in what he can/ can’t achieve given that he has to deal with other peoples property, insurance companies etc. You don’t get much insight from TV news etc.
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June 16, 2011 9:24am
artemisia

Interesting 10 June 2011 article here about the influence of unions on public education in America. The article was triggered by Davis Guggenheim’s recent documentary about the plight of America’s public schools, Waiting for Superman, and also a new book by Terry Moe – Special Interest: Teachers Unions and America’s Public Schools.

http://www.city-journal.org/2011/bc0610mw.html

From the article – “Moe traces the sources of the unions’ power and explains why they behave as they do. In the process, he blows apart several pervasive myths that have been used for far too long to let teachers and their unions off the hook. The book is a must-read for anyone frustrated by the slow progress toward improving America’s public schools. Readers familiar with the education reform debate will not be surprised by the list of clearly harmful policies that the unions support and commonsense reforms that they work so hard to impede. But those new to the topic will be shocked at the lengths to which the unions will go to defend an indefensible system.”

And “Teachers’ unions aren’t the only powerful lobbying group in America, of course. But there is no counterweight to the union position. Teachers are easy to organize and have clear common interests. Parents and students are unorganized, don’t share common problems, and worry about other issues beyond public schooling. It makes for a one-sided debate.”

While the American system is different to the NZ system, particularly in the way local education policy tends to be made by elected parties, the tactics used by the unions are familiar to us here. National Standards for one example.
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June 16, 2011 9:25am
smttc

Thought I would reproduce this here as it is quite funny:

Subject: FW: To Whom Does The Land of Israel Belong ?

>
> An Israeli with a Sense of Humor at the UN set the record straight.
>
> An ingenious example of speech and politics occurred recently in the
> United Nations Assembly and made the world community smile.
>
> A representative from Israel began:
>
> Before beginning my talk I want to tell you something about Moses:
>
> When he struck the rock and it brought forth water, he thought, What a

> good opportunity to have a bath!
> Moses removed his clothes, put them aside on the rock and entered the
> water.
>
> When he got out and wanted to dress, his clothes had vanished. A
> Palestinian had stolen them!
>
> The Palestinian representative at the UN jumped up and shouted
> furiously, What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren’t there
then!
>
> The Israeli representative smiled and said, ‘And now that we have made

> that clear, I will begin my speech.
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June 16, 2011 9:25am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

TripeWryter, the actor is Brad Potts. DDB were the agency involved with the ad

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1736569/
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June 16, 2011 9:27am
Inventory2

F%#£¥*g Chilean ash; up at 4.30 to fly to Christchurch; might JUST get there before midnight by road & ferry; grrrr!
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June 16, 2011 9:30am
flipper

Nookin…
On balance I believe Whale and Goodfellow. The HO Nats and Whale are at odds, dating back to his Father’s Presidency.
Whale’s postings on Goodfellow were savage.
Garner has been spun!
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June 16, 2011 9:31am
Tanstaafl

“Heavyweight US solar physicists announce that the sun appears to be headed into a lengthy spell of inactivity, which could mean that the earth – far from facing a global warming problem – is actually headed into a mini Ice Age.”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/14/ice_age/
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June 16, 2011 9:34am
flipper

Trype….
Not 100 % sure …but he does regular spots on Fox News. They vary in size but he is always described as “Gunny” – the nickname for a Marine Gunnery Sarg.
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June 16, 2011 9:36am
Nookin

FF
Demerits? For using the word “guy”? Sheesh, what’s the world coming to? To be polictically correct then
“The esteemed gentleman is a fuckwit.”

Ok?
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June 16, 2011 9:37am
Pete George

I got two weeks for:

[lprent: There are some behaviors that I don't tolerate on the site and making unsubstantiated attacks on authors is pretty close to the top of the list.]

I substantiated my suggestion that the author might be a tad hypocritical when he said:

National’s bloggers are trying to spread disinformation.
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June 16, 2011 9:50am
Rick Rowling

Pete – keep that citation, and every time you see an unsubstatiated attack from the left, re-post it!
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June 16, 2011 9:57am
niggly

Pete – wear your ban from the SubStandard as a badge of honour!
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June 16, 2011 10:00am
RightNow

Congratulations Pete, we’re all very proud of you.
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June 16, 2011 10:01am
3-coil

Rodders (8:45am) – please in future refer to the Honorable Member Mallard by his correct name “Trevor”…he apparently HATES being called “Trev”.

Otherwise, excellent link – thanks.
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June 16, 2011 10:04am
Pete George

I wasn’t really surprised, I’ve seen lprent ban a few until after the election already – he’s threatened that and if I go back he’ll no doubt have that hovering over me to try and “modify” my behaviour.

I’ll resist becoming just another thick in the wail.
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June 16, 2011 10:05am
niggly

Indeed RN, Pete was simply pointing out some facts in a balanced and polite manner.

Seems the SubStandard are very thin skinned.

(Maybe that’s ‘cos too much chafing and swiss balls are the order of the day over there)? 🙂
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June 16, 2011 10:07am
niggly

(PG) “ban a few until after the election already”…

Eh? Are the SubStandard caught in a timewarp thinking it’s 2008 and it’s ok to ban counter political views several months out from the election?
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June 16, 2011 10:10am
Falafulu Fisi

Nookin, I’ve got 10 demerit points for using fuckwit (from 2010).
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June 16, 2011 10:25am
mikenmild

artemisia

Looks like you’ve got the only substantive topic so far today.

I think the teacher unions here have a difficulty in separating their industrial role from their role as professional bodies. For some reason, they tend to seen solely as trade unions, whereas other similar bodies, such as the Medical Association, as seen as professional associations first.
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June 16, 2011 10:38am
Nookin

I remember when people got prosecuted for using the word “fuck” in public. One of the first cases where someone was acquitted for saying “fuck” to a policeman showed a degree of judicial enlightenment. The cop had parked his car on the guy’s foot!
I guess with inflation and gst the impact of the word has become watered down. Soon “fuckwit” will become quite PC.
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June 16, 2011 10:43am
mikenmild

Nookin

If you’re a fan of the UK magazine Viz they had a great piece some years back about what the ‘new’ swear words might be.
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June 16, 2011 10:51am
RightNow

It’s the Sun Stupid!!!

“Earth facing a mini-Ice Age ‘within ten years’ due to rare drop in sunspot activity”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2003824/Earth-facing-mini-Ice-Age-years-rare-drop-sunspot-activity.html

See also:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/the-major-aas-solar-announcement-suns-fading-spots-signal-big-drop-in-solar-activity/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/06/14/all-three-of-these-lines-of-research-to-point-to-the-familiar-sunspot-cycle-shutting-down-for-a-while/
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June 16, 2011 10:54am
TripeWryter

To Flipper and Say Goodbye to Hollywood: Thanks and cheers.
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June 16, 2011 10:58am
Nookin

Thanks, Mikenmild.
One must always broaden one’s horizons. I guess that given the absence of demerits in my response to the earlier post, DPF (i) has broadened his horizon; (ii) has made an exception where justification for the use of the word is compelling or (iii) is still asleep.
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June 16, 2011 11:06am
stephen

“Earth facing a mini-Ice Age ‘within ten years’ due to rare drop in sunspot activity”

Did they make that up or is there a quote? 😉
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June 16, 2011 11:11am
katydid

“Zero tolerance speed policy should be extended – Collins”
According to the NZ Herald, Crusher Collins is now pushing for a permanent zero tolerance approach to speeding. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10732553

Good job we got rid of nanny-state Labour….
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June 16, 2011 11:26am
AlphaKiwi

College Conspiracy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpZtX32sKVE&feature=pyv&ad=6739540474&kw=investing

A documentary about the fucked up tertiary education system in the U.S.
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June 16, 2011 11:30am
Ryan Sproull

Technically it’s not nanny-state behaviour if it’s preventing people from harming others, Katydid.

Seatbelt = nanny state (paternalism)
Speed limit = prevention of harm by one to another

Though with socialised healthcare, harm to yourself that results in state medical care becomes arguably financial harm to everyone.
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June 16, 2011 11:32am
Pete George

“Earth facing a mini-Ice Age ‘within ten years’ due to rare drop in sunspot activity”

Does that mean pro warmers need to switch to being colders? Does it mean deniers will still argue for no change?
In the meantime, an unusually mild winter continues here, after a cooler wetter summer.
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June 16, 2011 1:20pm
RightNow

Pete – I started typing a response about open honest science allowing realistic risk assessment, and how cost of heating will be through the roof because of renewable energy targets and subsidies, but then I just thought: ‘meh’
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June 16, 2011 1:39pm
Rodders

3-coil @ 10:04 am said “please in future refer to the Honorable Member Mallard by his correct name “Trevor”…he apparently HATES being called Trev.”

Thanks for the advice. Delicate little flower that Mr Mallard is, eh 😉
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June 16, 2011 1:55pm
Sonny Blount

Ryan Sproull (4,321) Says:
June 16th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Technically it’s not nanny-state behaviour if it’s preventing people from harming others, Katydid.

Seatbelt = nanny state (paternalism)
Speed limit = prevention of harm by one to another

Though with socialised healthcare, harm to yourself that results in state medical care becomes arguably financial harm to everyone.

So what if it does that’s not part of the contract with the people.

We give a part of our earnings in taxes (if any), we get free healthcare.

I am quite happy to discuss prices for my health insurance based on my activities so long as I have the option to withhold my money and go elsewhere.

This is not part of the deal with the government so I will eat, drink, and smoke what I like and demand my free healthcare regardless.
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June 16, 2011 2:25pm
mikenmild

Sonny

Eat, drink and smoke what you like. I think you will bear the main brunt of your poor decisions; but if you want to be really unhealthy to prove some point I guess that’s up to you.
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June 16, 2011 2:35pm
Elaycee

Some precious wee thing is all upset because they haven’t been invited to the TTT by-election candidate debate being shown on Maori TV.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10732483
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June 16, 2011 2:40pm
mikenmild

What an egg. Polling at the same level as the legalise dope crowd, not Maori, not on the Maori roll and not from the electorate. Thought you had to be on the Maori roll to stand in a Maori electorate.
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June 16, 2011 2:49pm
Yvette

“What an egg.” – you looked at his photo then.
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June 16, 2011 3:04pm
Elaycee

A while back, when I was considerably younger, I picked up my date at her parents’ home. I’d scraped together enough money to take her to a very nice restaurant.

She ordered the most expensive items on the menu. Shrimp cocktail. Lobster. Champagne.

I asked her, “Does your mother feed you like that when you eat at home?”

“No,” she replied, “but my mother’s not expecting a root tonight.”

I said “Enjoy your dinner”.
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June 16, 2011 4:52pm
Put it away

Ryan – “Technically it’s not nanny-state behaviour if it’s preventing people from harming others, Katydid. Seatbelt = nanny state (paternalism)”

I would say that the state has a legitimate business making the driver and front seat passenger wear a seatbelt, because when they crash, their corpses will likely get thrown through the windscreen at high speed and can do damage to other people and private property. Someone in the back seat will probably be stopped by the seat in front of them, so it shouldn’t bother other people if they don’t wear a seatbelt ( assuming they’re prepared to pay their own medical costs).
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June 16, 2011 6:41pm
nasska

One afternoon a lawyer was riding in his limousine when he saw two men along the road-side eating grass.
Disturbed, he ordered his driver to stop and he got out to investigate.
He asked one man, “Why are you eating grass?” “We don’t have any money for food,” the poor man replied. “We have to eat grass.”
“Well, then, you can come with me to my house and I’ll feed you,” the lawyer said.
“But sir, I have a wife and two children with me. They are over there, under that tree.”
“Bring them along,” the lawyer replied.
Turning to the other poor man he stated, “You come with us, also.
The second man, in a pitiful voice, then said, “But sir, I also have a wife and SIX children with me!”
“Bring them all, as well,” the lawyer answered.
They all entered the car, which was no easy task, even for a car as large as the limousine was.
Once underway, one of the poor fellows turned to the lawyer and said, “Sir, you are too kind. Thank you for taking all of us with you.”
The lawyer replied, “Glad to do it. You’ll really love my place. The grass is almost a foot high”
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June 16, 2011 6:46pm
Steve

There is a dangerous virus being passed electronically, orally and by
hand.

This virus is called Worm-Overload-Recreational-Killer (WORK). If you
receive WORK from any of your colleagues, your boss or anyone else via
any means DO NOT TOUCH IT. This virus will wipe out your private life
completely.

If you should come into contact with WORK put your jacket on and take 2
good friends to the nearest pub. Purchase the antidote known as
Work-Isolator-Neutralizer-Extractor (WINE).

The quickest acting WINE type is called
Swift-Hitting-Infiltrator-Remover-All-Zones (SHIRAZ) but this is only
available for those who can afford it,the next best equivalent is
Cheapest-Available-System-Killer (CASK). Take the antidote repeatedly
until WORK has been completely eliminated from your system.

Forward this warning to 5 friends. If you do not have 5 friends you
have already been infected and WORK is controlling your life. This
virus is DEADLY (Destroys-Every-Available-Decent-Living-Youngster).

Update 05-05-05: After extensive testing it has been concluded that
Best-Equivalent-Extractor-Remedy (BEER) may be substituted for WINE but
may require a more generous application.
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June 16, 2011 8:37pm
krazykiwi

@nasska, have to say how much I like your daily volley of joke comments. Really, we need an indexable collection. Of course lawyers everywhere would want your head on a poll, but that’s a risk I’d be prepared to take 🙂
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June 17, 2011 12:19am
Viking2

More control freak behavoir from the Socialists.

Natural health products to be regulated
7:02 PM Thursday Jun 16, 2011

The Government and the Greens are working on legislation to regulate natural health products and plan to introduce a bill before the November 26 election.

Green Party health spokeswoman Sue Kedgley said today more and more people were turning to natural health products and it was important they could be confident products were safe and true to label.

Ms Kedgley said the Government had agreed to set up a new stand-alone natural health regulator.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10732643

Just can’ thelp themselves. Too many dam pollies in this place.

Question? Will this include things like honey? After all honey is and has been a natural health product for how many million years?
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June 17, 2011 7:18am
mikenmild

Viking2
Honey is already regulated as a food!
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