General Debate 13 June 2011

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hj

In India, Dynamism Wrestles With Dysfunction- what happens when there’s no town plan.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/09/world/asia/09gurgaon.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&hp
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June 13, 2011 8:51am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

What will Whale Oil be releasing today. Having had a quick read over at the standard they were in full ban mode yesterday. Oh the humanity.

Oh, fir…..curses!!
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June 13, 2011 8:51am
Pete George

Labour won’t be happy campers due to their Wide Open Web. We shouldn’t be happy either, and not just with them.

Typical, sadly, is some of the reaction – Whaleoil response blatant dishonesty? – our entrenched political sickness needs a bloody big injection of something different.

You’d think they would have learnt from past outbreaks of exposure but no, the self interest of the parties is too deeply rooted. No matter who’s done the most wrong in this latest debacle they won’t change more than they have to, again. Unless we confront them and make them.
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June 13, 2011 8:53am
Manolo

The socialist’s not-so-veiled threat: http://www.scribd.com/doc/57662248/Letter-to-Whaleoil-12Jun11
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June 13, 2011 8:59am
Peter

Whaleoil down?
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June 13, 2011 9:01am
Pete George

May be swamped.
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June 13, 2011 9:04am
Manolo

Yes, it is Sweden the country we should imitate: http://www.economist.com/node/18805503
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June 13, 2011 9:04am
Ender

Yep swamped I’d suspect
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June 13, 2011 9:05am
Peter

He should have made it a torrent…
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June 13, 2011 9:06am
Peter

BTW – I can get to it via Google’s cache…
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June 13, 2011 9:10am
Peter

Perhaps that’s a little insider joke…..
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June 13, 2011 9:11am
Nookin

Pete, you are right on the button on your linked blog. See my post under “Labours Minutes.”
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June 13, 2011 9:12am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Seems like Whale Oil is going to disclose a bunch of names at 2:00pm.
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June 13, 2011 9:15am
Pete George

Yes Nookin, I’ll repeat one of your comments here:

I hope labour are embarrassed to hell this week.
Then, maybe, we can introduced some ethics into politics.

Hmmm, ethics in politics. DPF just mentioned “debate proposals on their merits” on his Rascist post. We are starting to hear some good positive phrases.

We need to keep pushing them until the politicians listen to us – and take notice of us. They won’t introduce it themselves, unless they have to to save their skins.
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June 13, 2011 9:41am
david

had a read of the Standard for the first time in a long while. Ran out of popcorn while scanning through an incredible mixture of intellectual challenge to the beneficiary bashers and some of the lowest, unsupported vitriolic accusations about the Whale that could only be spouted anonymously.

An unbelievable festival of the best and worst.
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June 13, 2011 9:45am
sbw

Quick Question: Has Goff sold his apartment that his paid Parliamentary Staffer was using his working hours to advertise?

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/51744/labour-leader-phil-goff-still-renting-out-investment-property-despite-saying-hed-sell-it-18-months-a

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/12/goffs_judgement.html
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June 13, 2011 10:03am
Inventory2

The level of outrage at Cameron Slater’s revelations is hilarious, given The Standard’s cheerleading for The Hollow Men, Wikileaks and the theft of Sarah Palin’s e-mails. Now all of a sudden releasing private information into the public domain, and The Standard commenters are calling for the police.

Would anyone like fries with their double-standard?
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June 13, 2011 10:06am
Elaycee

Inventory2 says: “Would anyone like fries with their double-standard?”

Touche.

I trust that Whale will drip feed this information so it achieves the same effects as an Indian Water torture. It’s hilarious to see the squirming and anguish coming from the Stranded – rank hypocrisy has a stench of its own.

Popcorn……… Action!
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June 13, 2011 10:17am
James Stephenson

Would anyone like ~~fries~~ lies with their double-standard?

Fixed that for you Inv
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June 13, 2011 10:54am
iMP

SYRIAN ‘LESBIAN.’ OMG, is Tom MacMaster (aka Istanbul’s “lesbian’ blogger Amina Arraf) really Lindsay Perigo’s long lost identical twin?
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June 13, 2011 10:55am
RightNow

The release of Sarah Palin’s emails from when she was governor of Alaska sets a great precedent for the release of other politician’s emails.
I look forward to, for example, emails from when Obama was a senator. Let the sunlight shine.
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June 13, 2011 11:00am
mikenmild

RightNow

Presumably you wouldn’t mind have all of your private correspondence published either.
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June 13, 2011 11:03am
RightNow

mikenmild, presumably you are deficient in brain cells. The emails were released after the opportunity to remove personal emails. Are you really that stupid?
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June 13, 2011 11:09am
Manolo

Enjoy the humour: http://oswaldbastable.blogspot.com/2011/06/copy-of-atlas-shrugged-found-labor.html
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June 13, 2011 11:31am
pdm

For something different have a look at my post on Hammett’s sacking of Nonu and Hore over at The Sports Geek.
http://scarletmanuka.blogspot.com/

Note: Your comments will be welcomed and appreciated but if you are commenting please do so on the Blog, not here, otherwise I might not catch up with what you say.
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June 13, 2011 11:53am
Elaycee

How predictable – Guy Gibson’s dog in the film Dambusters, has had its name changed from ‘nigger’ to ‘digger’….

To hell with history, eh?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/5136009/Dambusters-dog-bone-of-contention
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June 13, 2011 12:06pm
ciaron

just had another decent shake in christchurch!
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June 13, 2011 1:04pm
gravedodger

Faaak that was a biggy, long time with two jolts
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June 13, 2011 1:05pm
Pete George

Felt that in Dunedin a couple of minutes later, not as big as the September one from here but it must have been a fair jolt in Christchurch.

5.5
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June 13, 2011 1:12pm
Viking2

Whales messages usurped by the earthquake.
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June 13, 2011 2:11pm
Manolo

A very good article from The Spectator:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/australia/6997228/maturity-seems-a-long-way-off-for-our-adolescent-environment-policy.thtml
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June 13, 2011 4:08pm
mikenmild

Elaycee

Does the dog’s name really matter? It’s not a documentary, you know.
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June 13, 2011 4:10pm
Manolo

Warmist hysteria everywhere: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/olympic-torch-is-light-but-not-low-carbon/story-e6frg6so-1226072602729
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June 13, 2011 4:41pm
Elaycee

@mikenmild says: “Does the dog’s name really matter? It’s not a documentary, you know.”

Of course it doesn’t matter – its only altering history. Just like we can’t give our kids golliwogs nowadays. Not supposed to read them Noddy & Big Ears nor play Sooty & Sweep on the TV. But its OK for some rap singer to use the term but not a film based on the factual account of the bombing of the dams.

Just another example of PC crap.
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June 13, 2011 5:05pm
Johnboy

I’m pretty certain that “black babies” don’t appear at the lolly shop these days either Elaycee and we all know the trouble it caused not so long ago when a Canadian person took offence at the sale of “Eskimo’s”.

The world is just going mad. 🙂
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June 13, 2011 5:12pm
mikenmild

Well that’s a bit of an over-reaction. It seems likely that some members of a cinema audience wouldn’t appreciate an offensive name. Not a biggie, and the movie-makers are right to keep clear of any fuss. Altering history? It’s a movie, like Braveheart or Gladiator.

No one is stopping you from getting a golliwog or naming your own dog Nigger if that’s what you want.
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June 13, 2011 5:17pm
Johnboy

If you decide to call your dog “Nigger” mikenmaid and it does a runner in Otara, take my advice, don’t go calling it’s name when you are out searching for it.! 🙂
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June 13, 2011 5:27pm
Yvette

Records obtained from Labour sources show that they have raised just $11,831.50 online.
– http://whaleoil.gotcha.co.nz/index.php/2011/06/labour-leaks-online-donations/

Labour is desperately trying to contact 18,000 donors to warn them that their names could become public after accusing National of publicising lists of financial transactions through an online blogger.
– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5136374/Labour-Donor-details-malicious-breach

$11,831.50 raised, 18,000 donors ? Oh …
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June 13, 2011 5:33pm
starboard

I have a black labrador named nigger..sue me.
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June 13, 2011 5:33pm
mikenmild

starboard

Hope you take Johnboy’s advice – I was scared enough as a kid with my dog called Blackie.
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June 13, 2011 5:35pm
Nookin

Looks like the Nats are about to engage in some beneficiary bashing. Bastards
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5135511/100-000-plus-benefits-paid-to-households
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June 13, 2011 5:40pm
starboard

Have no natives close to where we live so no problem but thanks for the heads up
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June 13, 2011 5:43pm
Johnboy

I knew of a bloke who had a Pitbull called Adolf. He used to go calling it when it strayed. Never had any trouble, though he was a six foot six skinhead. 🙂
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June 13, 2011 5:47pm
mikenmild

starboard

‘no natives’ – WTF?
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June 13, 2011 6:59pm
Manolo

The latest photographs of the deranged Democrat congressman from NY:
http://photos.tmz.com/galleries/anthony_weiner_at_the_congressional_gym#tab=most_recent&id=93539

This bastard will be forced out of Washington over the next few days.
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June 13, 2011 7:04pm
Mick Mac

Elaycee (337) Says:
June 13th, 2011 at 12:06 pm

He’ll always be a nigger to me.
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June 13, 2011 7:25pm
Elaycee

mikenmild: You’re dog whistling again. Of course its history – Guy Gibson’s dog was called nigger. In the original film The Dambusters, the dog was called nigger. The new (Sir Peter Jackson) version hasn’t even been released – but the placard wavers have already bleated about the name of the dog and even SPJ couldn’t believe that it had become an issue (but only in the eyes of the pinko’s). FFS – some people have nothing better to do than to try and change history.

No different to the rugby team that was called the NZ Natives. It will be known as the Natives forever but if there is a TV programme about their exploits, it sounds like we can count on you to call for their name to be changed too. And your call will only prove that you have infected by this same PC malaise. You should take something for it – perhaps a dose of reality.

It’s pathetic, petty, petulant and most of all, it’s PC crap.
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June 13, 2011 7:25pm
mikenmild

I doubt that anyone will refer to the 1884 team as anything but the New Zealand Natives or try to deny that we ever had a Minister of Native Affairs etc. I’m just pointing out that getting upset about the name of a dog in a fictional portrayal of a Second World War air raid would be as nonsensical as getting upset about the historical inaccuracies in Braveheart or Schindler’s list.

Don’t worry too much about the label PC – it’s just short hand for changing social attitudes. We don’t call people niggers or natives any more, just like we pay women equal wages and don’t have public floggings – it’s called social progress.
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June 13, 2011 7:38pm
nickb

The Standard has been absolute comedy gold today.

I lol’d at this guy’s exchange with Eddie, that man deserves a DB

Eddie 2.1
13 June 2011 at 8:32 am

there seem to be two relevant parts of the Crimes Act:

249 Accessing computer system for dishonest purpose (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330422.html#DLM330422)

(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system and thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—

(a) obtains any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b) causes loss to any other person.

(2) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 5 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system with intent, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—

(a) to obtain any property, privilege, service, pecuniary advantage, benefit, or valuable consideration; or
(b) to cause loss to any other person.
(3) In this section, deception has the same meaning as in section 240(2).

252 Accessing computer system without authorisation (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM330430.html#DLM330430)

(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 2 years who intentionally accesses, directly or indirectly, any computer system without authorisation, knowing that he or she is not authorised to access that computer system, or being reckless as to whether or not he or she is authorised to access that computer system.

(2) To avoid doubt, subsection (1) does not apply if a person who is authorised to access a computer system accesses that computer system for a purpose other than the one for which that person was given access.

(3) To avoid doubt, subsection (1) does not apply if access to a computer system is gained by a law enforcement agency—

(a) under the execution of an interception warrant or search warrant; or

(b) under the authority of any Act or rule of the common law.

And then this guy’s reply:

Mactreb 2.1.1
13 June 2011 at 9:53 am

(1) Every one is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 7 years who, directly or indirectly, accesses any computer system and thereby, dishonestly or by deception, and without claim of right,—

Well done Eddie!…now let’s scroll on back up to s217:

dishonestly, in relation to an act or omission, means done or omitted without a belief that there was express or implied consent to, or authority for, the act or omission from a person entitled to give such consent or authority (my emphasis)

The fact that the information was available to all and sundry would suggest that there was an implied consent. In any respect, WO just needs to genuinely believe that such consent existed, it matters not whether that belief was reasonable.

As for s 252, it’s a hacking offence, it requires defeating security measures…of which there were none.

You couldn’t make this stuff up!
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June 13, 2011 7:41pm
nickb

Where do you guys think Eddie got his law degree? Ahahahahahahaha!
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June 13, 2011 7:44pm
kaya

Go the banks, anyone got any substantial amounts “invested”??? Privatise the profits, socialise the loss is becoming the norm. Time to spend what little I have.

The banks just go from scam to scam.

NZ banks buy into covered bonds

Covered bonds can make bank depositors nervous because in the event of a bank failing, investors in this instrument take precedence over them.

They’ve been illegal in Australia since 1959 but are a familiar sight in many other countries.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10731858
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June 13, 2011 9:07pm
Manolo

On the shape of the US economy: http://www.cnbc.com/id/43378973
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