General Debate 12 June 2011

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Inventory2

Slater 1; Labour nil

http://keepingstock.blogspot.com/2011/06/gotcha.html
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June 12, 2011 8:06am
Say Goodbye to Hollywood

Firs….bugger, it looks like Whale Oil has the dirt on Labour. Interesting times.
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June 12, 2011 8:06am
Pete George

Brash’s revenge?
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June 12, 2011 8:13am
wreck1080

auckland city : council of nazis.

They have banned for sale stickers inside cars in public places.

Surely this has gone too far?

I’ve been all around the world, and, you see people put for sale stickers inside there car everywhere.

But, not in auckland, some pencil pushing bureaucrat thought it needed banning.
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June 12, 2011 8:21am
Nookin

The Labour Partyy cheating and stealing? Gee, I didn’t see that one coming!
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June 12, 2011 8:25am
Put it away

Owned! Countdown to staggeringly hypocrital wailing and gnashing of teeth from leftists about the evils of leaked emails in 3…2…1…
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June 12, 2011 8:40am
Inventory2

@ Put it away; no leaks, no hacking; just crap IT skills from the Red Team. And the lies and denials have started already. WO has well and truly harpooned them.
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June 12, 2011 8:43am
Pauleastbay

I particularly liked the bit about them having to run a cash raffle to fund raise.

Note to labour party: You run raffles to raise money for the kids school trip , not for an organization to run a country.

If your product is so good, money should be flocking in from business owners , successful entrepenurs………………….well wouldn’t it?
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June 12, 2011 8:50am
hj

F. E. Maning, 1811 – 1883
Alex Calder
http://www.nzetc.org/downloads/Whi072Kota-t1-g1-t2.pdf

Maning was a Pakeha Maori who took up residence at the Hokianga in 1833

“Maning no longer worked alongside Māori but employed them in his business activities. His particular friends were old Hokianga settlers like John Webster and Spencer Von Sturmer, along with the Auckland businessman John Logan Campbell, and a number of writers and politicians associated with the Southern Cross newspaper. It was probably for a group of these like minded people that Maning wrote an undated and unpublished paper on ‘the Native Question’ sometime in the late 1850s. Here he strikes a number of notes that he would repeat for the rest of his life: ‘When Cannibals and barbarians become our rulers which they soon will even if we invite them to dream of political rights, it will be time for every man who has the self-respect of a Briton to leave these shores, where degenerate Englishmen succumb to the savage’ (219). Māori-as-he-knew-them, though great mimics of British ways, were fundamentally lawless and uncivilized: only by a crushing military defeat could they ever be brought round to acknowledge and respect the rule of law. Views such as these are well documented in the later letters; they offer one essential key to the political and satirical intentions of his published writings, but it should be remembered that the published works are not reducible to the letters: it is the opinions on race and politics that are reductive. The writings are multi-dimensional.”
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Interesting take there on land dealings which appear to be more horse trading than spiritually based (eg you get your bit with a useful Pakeha accessory as the deal).
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June 12, 2011 8:50am
Sofia

“They have banned for sale stickers inside cars in public places.”

Without details, won’t this upset a few car yard owners?
Will you have to take cards out of cars to test drive them?
Have they consulted with the Maori Advisory Board?
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June 12, 2011 9:19am
Inventory2

Don’t change the subject hj; Labour’s deviousness is the ONLY story in town today!!
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June 12, 2011 9:25am
Pete George

Q&A – Kelvin Davis looked strong (some hope for Labour!), Harawira looked resigned.
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June 12, 2011 10:10am
iMP

After Monday maybe the likeable capable Labour Party can resign, reconsider its career, and be welcomed back at a later stage after the naked truth has died down.
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June 12, 2011 10:43am
iMP

Paul Henry, caught speeding in America three times. His justification…”I can’t slow my fast cars down, and its all about having fun.” What a jerk.
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June 12, 2011 10:44am
Black with a Vengeance

Q&A – Kelvin Davis looked strong (some hope for Labour!)

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How will Whaleoil’s latest narking effort impact Kelvin’s campaign, not only in TaiTokerau but on Maori in general ?

I can see Mana siphoning off a few party votes come election time if this bit of shit slinging still sticks come November.

Then again maybe Key’s polling might suggest a snap election to stop the rot before it all sinks in to the public at large how incompetent and self serving he and English truly are and to stop Brash from sticking his foot further down his own mouth in the interim while capitalising on Bank’s ‘freshness’ of candidacy.

Because lets face it, business confidence suggests there might not be a good bounce off the World cup and there’s no guarantee the AB’s can do the business what with Australia looking to be the form team.

Interesting times.
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June 12, 2011 11:18am
mikenmild

John Key would need to manufacture a credible crisis to call an election early, having already announced a date.
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June 12, 2011 11:34am
Black with a Vengeance

John Key would need to manufacture a credible crisis to call an election early

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Richie McCaw getting injured again = Major crisis !!!
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June 12, 2011 11:49am
Elaycee

If ever another reason was needed why we should dump the racist seats:

On the left a member of the socialist Labour Party – a party that still jumps to the texts and messages sent by H1 and H2 together with a history of electoral rorting and issues that should have been best left on the exercise ball….

Further to the [extreme] left, a bunch of misfits, convicted criminals and racists who lurk under an umbrella called apartheid.

Still deciding where they fit within the political spectrum, is the Maori Party. With a relative ‘no-name’ candidate.

What a choice – someone who was a member of the same coven that H1 led / one of the most bigoted racists that has ever planted his butt in the House / and someone who has so little status that they have to be found via Google.

Roll on the referendum. We don’t deserve this shit.
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June 12, 2011 12:12pm
reid

What a jerk.

Yes he’s amusing on TV but I’m afraid I have no interest in any of his opinions so not planning on buying or even ever reading his book. Wonder how sales are going…
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June 12, 2011 12:13pm
joana

After the recent case of a man killing someone in an accident whilst manic , a doctor or professor or whoever stated that three per cent of NZ’s population is bipolar/manic depressive. Where did he get this figure? Some years ago , I asked a Min of Health about this and was told , that they did not know how many NZers were affected by this illness because they do not keep stats.
Have they started keeping stats on this more recently?
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June 12, 2011 12:16pm
LabourDoesntWork

One News never fails to disappoint. During the only 2 minutes of the Brain-Dead News Hour that I watched this week, there was Tim Wilson breathlessly reporting on damning quotes from Sarah Palin’s emails about “media bias” against her* and how Obama was the wrong guy. What earthshattering reportage, Mr. Wilson – do you even realise how stupid you looked?
Did they go to the trouble of printing out 25,000 emails on PAPER in case idiots like this couldn’t use a computer? Was it to make it an even more ridiculous spectacle as boxes full of Sarah Palin’s emails were literally trucked in for the hate-Palin news media to dissect?
Nice perspective. Nice prioritising as Obama flushes the US economy’s future down the hole. Let’s not be skeptical of Obama’s handling of the economy; no, let’s pore over thousands of personal and work emails of Sarah Palin who isn’t even in office. The only story here is the hate-Palin mob.
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June 12, 2011 12:31pm
reid

See the US right wing nuts are now “outraged” at Thatcher’s refusal to meet with Palin.

Good job. I mean Palin is so profoundly stupid that – despite being the Tea Party figurehead – she doesn’t even know what Paul Revere was trying to do in his famous ride. That’s like Key asking a journo to explain to him the term “foreign exchange rate” during a live interview. Fucking d’oh. And the US conservative nutjobs don’t even notice that. All they care about is why the hero of the 80’s refuses to meet with their favourite bimbo. Perhaps they should ask themselves just why this could possibly be, why would Thatcher refuse to meet Sarah? How perplexing.

The only story here is the hate-Palin mob.

I don’t hate Palin, I just fear for the world and in particular the U.S. people if she ever gets into power. She’s an idiot. She is. It’s plain as fucking day. If she’d only done something dumb once, but no, all the time…
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June 12, 2011 12:52pm
cha

http://ohcrapihaveacrushonsarahpalin.blogspot.com/
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June 12, 2011 1:01pm
Jimbob

I heard through the grape vine that Hone’s relations gave Hone a bl**dy good hiding. Apparently a couple of his relations are married to fair skinned Women. Oh dear.
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June 12, 2011 1:27pm
BlueGriffon

OMG so sad http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10731806

And people on another blog were slating Jonathan Marshall for his expose and what was occurring at the school ball in question.
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June 12, 2011 1:28pm
Put it away

Right reid, because the the most important burning issue in the US today for leftards like yourself is the daily trivia about the person who DIDN’T win the election for VICE president, who has no power whatsoever, and is not going to be her party’s candidate in the next election. Never mind the gargantuan fuckups being perpetratred by the Dem who actually IS the president. That would just be a distraction for the real issue – what’s the non-candidate for the opposition up to lately.
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June 12, 2011 1:29pm
reid

PIA it’s a common mistake by some to mis-identify me as a lefty just after I’ve criticised some supposed-conservative bastion.

Says a lot about those people.

And no, I hardly look at what Palin is doing when I’m looking at US domestic politics which is rarely, it’s just she’s in the news, yet again for being a fucktard yet again so I thought I’d remind anyone remaining who, despite all the evidence, still supports her, that they’re actually apparently according to the real facts of the matter, supporting someone who is so profoundly mental she doesn’t even know what one of the main American Patriots was supposed to be doing at a critical moment in the American Revolution. And she is the figurehead of a party named after one of the main events in that revolution, as well. I mean crikey. Duh doesn’t even begin to describe it. And you want her to be POTUS?
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June 12, 2011 1:47pm
Falafulu Fisi

Reid said…
she doesn’t even know what one of the main American Patriots was supposed to be doing at a critical moment in the American Revolution.

Ron Paul said that if he becomes president, he doesn’t know how to run people’s lifes. It meant that he doesn’t need to know all that bullshit since its got nothing to do with letting people do what’s good for them.

Now, Gary Johnson is talking like a real president in waiting. That’s the sort of visions the world needs.
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June 12, 2011 2:16pm
nasska

reid

It never ceases to amaze me how a highly developed & supposedly educated nation as the USA produces political icons who would struggle to graduate from a NZ primary school. George W Bush was an idiot who wasted America’s good times on getting revenge in Iraq on a level that would have drawn praise from Dear Leader herself.

It wouldn’t be unfair to suggest that the best reason for the USA to go to war is to teach it’s citizens geography.

Palin has looks & presents well but her perception of the world, especially its politics, is lacking in someone whose supposed ambition is to be POTUS. That may not be a disadvantage in seeking votes in the insular USA but now her knowledge of things domestic is looking flaky.

There’s something that goes bing instead of bong in the average American voter’s mind
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June 12, 2011 2:19pm
reid

Falafulu, a child knows what Revere did. Like I said, if you run a party called the Tea Party then don’t you think it behooves oneself to become familiar with at least the same facts as a child knows vis-a-vis the event to which you seek to align yourself to, in the public’s mind?

Ain’t it a larf.
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June 12, 2011 2:22pm
Falafulu Fisi

Reid said…
Falafulu, a child knows what Revere did.

Reid, I didn’t know that? Fucking big deal. How many posters here knew about that useless piece of history? So, obvioiusly you knew about Revere? What’s the relevant of knowing Revere to cutting corporate taxes as Palin had stated in her recent interview on Fox News? In that case, then I guess that Presidential candidates must be coached by their advisors in other domain of knowledge that has got nothing to do with being a president, such as condense matter physics, cell biology, climatology, mechanical engineering, electronics, etc, etc.

A solid political philosophy is more important than say knowing some useless history.
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June 12, 2011 2:32pm
reid

There’s something that goes bing instead of bong in the average American voter’s mind

It’s the punch and judy show – both sides are utterly useless because US politics has become totally beholden to specific vested interest groups who are the only ones who get really significant pieces of legislation through. Like the way the banks got the regulations reduced then ran amok then got away with it which continues to this day. That’s how broken US politics is, to allow that to happen. Let alone on the foreign policy front with you-know who getting the Lion’s share of unfettered congressional attention. That’s just another example, then you have for example big pharma having the power to get 40% to sign that letter about the TPP and Pharmac and the list goes on and on. And where are the American people’s interests being represented here?

And it goes on cause guess what: the bggest budget wins and unfortunately ordinary taxpayers simply don’t tend to give millions sometimes hundreds of millions, we just don’t. So guess who loses out.

Falafulu, the relevant counter-point to your statement is contained in the bit after I said a child knows…
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June 12, 2011 2:32pm
Pauleastbay

Fala
says………Fucking big deal. How many posters here knew about that useless piece of history…………………………………………

Well heck, by golly,I might not expect you to know that fact but I would expect anyone with expectations of high political office in the US to know basic tenants concerning history concerning their country’s battle for independence.

She even continued to be a moron after the reporter pointed the faux pas out to her which I thought was jolly decent of him.
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June 12, 2011 2:41pm
nasska

True….the average American voter is essentially disenfranchised as their political executive have effectively sold out their interests to various power groups. I have a nasty feeling that we are witnessing the decline of a great nation & the action is at the fast forward rate.

Falafulu Fisi……. I would have thought that a few basic facts on early American history such as Paul Revere’s ride would be taught at primary school level.
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June 12, 2011 2:51pm
Pete George

An American not knowing what Paul Revere did would be similar to a Kiwi not knowing what Captain Cook did.
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June 12, 2011 2:52pm
Sonny Blount

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20110611-35603.html

No way Pete.

There are no bigger cretins in the world than those attacking her for this. Any commentator that follows suit is clearly an irrelevant moron.
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June 12, 2011 3:12pm
mawm

Reid – See the US right wing nuts are now “outraged” at Thatcher’s refusal to meet with Palin.

Good job. I mean Palin is so profoundly stupid that – despite being the Tea Party figurehead – she doesn’t even know what Paul Revere was trying to do in his famous ride.

The “story” published by the Guardian re Thatchers refusal to meet Palin has now been shown to be false. http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/06/breaking-thatcher-foundation-responds-to-palin-snubbing-reports-saying-the-guardian-has-minimal-credibility/

If you get past the first few pages in Google you’ll find that there are enough historians who agree with Palin or partially agree with her about Paul Revere.

She certainly is a lot brighter than the incumbant………especially if lack of knowledge about the USA is a measure of stupidity. For someone who is reportedly so dumb, she did wonders for the Alaskan economy when Govenor.
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June 12, 2011 3:14pm
Sonny Blount

She was correct in her comment, and her bumbled comment is perfectly understandable for someone who has actually read beyond the most well known facts about Paul Revere and knows that he did in fact warn the British that the Americans were now armed and waiting for them. Here is the relevant passage from Paul Revere’s writings:

I observed a Wood at a Small distance, & made for that.
When I got there, out Started Six officers, on Horse back,
and orderd me to dismount;-one of them, who appeared
to have the command, examined me, where I came from,
& what my Name Was? I told him. it was Revere, he as-
ked if it was Paul? I told him yes He asked me if
I was an express? I answered in the afirmative. He
demanded what time I left Boston? I told him; and
aded, that their troops had catched aground in passing the River,
and that There would be five hundred Americans there
in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up.
He imediately rode towards those who stoppd us,
when all five of them came down upon a full gallop;
one of them, whom I afterwards found to be Major
Mitchel, of the 5th Regiment, Clapped his pistol to my head, called me by name,
& told me he was going to ask me some questions, & if I
did not give him true answers, he would blow my
brains out. He then asked me similar questions to those
above. He then orderd me to mount my Horse, after
searching me for arms. He then orderd them to advance,
& to lead me in front. When we got to the Road, they
turned down towards Lexington. When we had got about one
Mile, the Major Rode up to the officer that was leading
me, & told him to give me to the Sergeant. As soon as
he took me, the Major orderd him, if I attempted to
run, or any body insulted them, to blow my brains out.
We rode till we got near Lexington Meeting-house,
when the Militia fired a Voley of Guns, which ap-
peared to alarm them very much.

Reid, Nasska, and Pete you are the thickest idiots imaginable.
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June 12, 2011 3:16pm
backster

“An American not knowing what Paul Revere did would be similar to a Kiwi not knowing what Captain Cook did.”

Or maybe the Mayor of Auckland not knowing there was a Taniwha lurking where he wanted to put his tunnel.
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June 12, 2011 3:19pm
Sonny Blount

Here is some more of Sarah Palin making a fool of herself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxxxGUeZtno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tr7zhnctF4c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq2j74Zc0rA&feature=related
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June 12, 2011 3:28pm
mawm

Sonny Blount – I was about to publish that account written by Paul Revere. It seems as if the only history the American media know about him is from Longfellow’s poem…………which is of course not accurate at all.
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June 12, 2011 3:31pm
Sonny Blount

All the thick libs who don’t know their history as well as Sarah Palin in one place:

http://perfunction.typepad.com/perfunction/2010/10/historic-illiteracy-idiot-sarah-palin-party-like-its-1773-after-the-election.html
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June 12, 2011 3:32pm
reid

Sonny, have a look at this one…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbEwKcs-7Hc&feature=player_embedded

And this.

What a shame. The Thatcher story was made up – maybe. Does this mean that everything Palin did to demonstrate her profound idiocy before the Thatcher story didn’t happen?

On Revere:
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/06/06/Historians-dispute-Palins-Revere-retell/UPI-40781307403924/
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June 12, 2011 3:50pm
Sonny Blount

Too late Reid, you jumped the gun like everyone else and proved yourself an utter clueless moron.
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June 12, 2011 4:17pm
reid

Er no, my point was Palin is a moron. You haven’t disproved that, by raising the possibility the Thatcher incident was made up.

Sorry Sonny, that’s just how logic works. I know you wish it wasn’t so, but it just is.
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June 12, 2011 4:20pm
Sonny Blount

No you displayed your complete retardation by attacking someone for something you were completely wrong about.

Try google next time thicko, this is all last weeks news but you don’t seem to be paying attention.
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June 12, 2011 4:27pm
Put it away

Well no reid, the point is that you think Palin is the biggest moron in the world, and yet she was right and you were wrong. So what does that make you? Congratulations to the new number one!
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June 12, 2011 4:28pm
hj

Self Interest to shape Christchurch?

“Owners warn against height limits on buildings which will suppress land values. The height of buildings
should be limited by the business case for them and funding. Taller buildings require larger budgets which
can provide better engineering solutions and outcomes. It’s not about height but about quality engineering;
look at San Francisco, Kobe etc.”
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June 12, 2011 4:28pm
reid

PIA, it makes me wrong once and right lots of other times, on the ‘Is Palin a Moron’ scale.

Until Sarah stops doing dumb things just like one would if one really were just a hillbilly bimbo who knows a lot about personal grooming, and starts doing smart things instead, my opinion I’m afraid won’t be swayed, but I do concede the Thatcher point, although not the Revere one.

So Palin was 90-0 on the ‘Is she a hillbilly bimbo’ scale but is now 89-0.
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June 12, 2011 4:39pm
Sonny Blount

Think for yourself retard instead of having all your opinions fed to you by others.

Only the stupidest people breathing think Sarah Palin is a moron.
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June 12, 2011 4:42pm
Put it away

and you also just fell for an obviously bogus made up story by the Guardian of all people ( seriously, you believed *them* about Palin ?) . Hasn’t been a good couple of days for you eh reid? I guess the magnetised wormholes aren’t transmitting the right vibes from the 11th dimension into your laser-enabled DNA molecules eh? FAIL.
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June 12, 2011 4:46pm
reid

Only the stupidest people breathing think Sarah Palin is a moron.

I can’t be arsed discussing the reasons Palin is a moron for there are so many and not enough hours left tonight.

Try this:

http://www.google.co.nz/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=palin+moron

Would you like to talk about Revere or just move on to another topic? PIA it’s quite insulting to raise issues I said I’d explained in full and until you addressed yourself to that explanation I wouldn’t respond, again, the next night. I told you mate, fuck off, read what I said about it, make a comment related to that and I’ll respond, otherwise no. Please don’t force me to say that again. It’s just fucking tiresome.
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June 12, 2011 4:56pm
Put it away

Now reid, you know the wormholes don’t work when you’re stressed
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June 12, 2011 5:10pm
Sonny Blount

More stupid Sarah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hZtW_q_6Ug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpjAs4vtc1w&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toorZ2X8PyE&feature=related
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June 12, 2011 5:11pm
mawm

Reid – How can one prove that she is not a moron?
In fact how can one prove that anyone is not a moron?
Ask them to add 2 + 2, or prove E=mc²?
It is very hard to prove a negative, so maybe you should prove that she is one ……….. and not just tired old slander from the mainstream media who are doing their best to destroy her politically whilst hiding Obama’s apalling incompetence, his educational history, his political shenanigans, etc.
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June 12, 2011 5:37pm
Pauleastbay

Sonny and Mawn and others

I want to see a Reublican resident in the Whitehouse as much as you probably, but if Sarah Palin is the best they can do then I fear we will have another term of empty platitudes from the current POTUS.

She is Dan Quayle with tits and a great set of legs, she is a handicap
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June 12, 2011 5:52pm
reid

It’s a judgement call mawm. I’m not the only one of that opinion. Like I said the reasons are google-able so what’s the point of enuciating them yet again here?

My judgement clearly differs from a few. Fine. Personally I really truly don’t get why some don’t see what I see but that’s fine, they just don’t.
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June 12, 2011 5:52pm
Put it away

Reid, referring to your nonsense from yesterday, even leaving out the worst of the lunacy in that article about the magnetic wormhole laser DNA which you are now backing away from, and just looking at what said about music, it is prima facie retarded. If music was felt by people’s DNA molecules “harmonically vibrating” to the music and issuing pre-programmed genetic instructions to make them “boogie”, then every profoundly deaf person would have a record collection, probably with a fuckload of Larry Graham. I believe this is not the case…

Oh and I clicked your link to a google search ( the internet way of saying “My opinion is based on no evidence but I assume there’s some out there”) and the very first link tells me that “She recalled history, incorrectly, when talking about Paul Revere in Boston”. Whoops. 2nd link, some reporters caught on mic saying she is a moron, hmmm not evidence of anything except the left wing media bias. Next, link number 3… Paul Revere again. Jeez reid, is every Palin-hater as ignorant as you? 4th link – Oliver Stone thinks Palin is a moron. Well I am surprised…. doesn’t cite any exapmles though. Can you let me know where the evidence is? All I’m finding is people stating opinions with either no examples cited, or citing the Revere story which just proves that they are morons themselves.
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June 12, 2011 6:04pm
grumpyoldhori

Come on Reid where is your sense of fun, Palin as president would have those mean Russian sods pushed out of Georgia by the US Marines.
Of course Vlad the impaler might just believe a tactical nuke would fix any invaders.

Of course Palin who has the intellectual firepower of Lady Thatcher at her best would then have Moscow nuked.
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June 12, 2011 6:08pm
nasska

Sonny Blount

I read your excerpt from Paul Revere’s letter & initially thought it to be a complete denial of Longfellow’s poem. I’ve now read the full letter http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/paul-reveres-ride-2.html & although it is obvious that the poet has wallowed in literary license, he was also pushing a political barrow.

Paul Revere did warn the inhabitants of various towns along his route & although he didn’t reach Concord himself he was instrumental in them receiving confirmation of the presence of the British via Doctor Prescot. By the time he advised the British that there were 500 Americans mobilised he was telling them old news, not state secrets.

Therefore although Ms Palin’s comment does not confer on her the status of an idiot in this instance it certainly says little for the average American or his education system when the majority would go along with the reporter.

Meanwhile, I am having enough trouble getting my head around Taniwha
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June 12, 2011 6:36pm
Falafulu Fisi

Nasska said…
Falafulu Fisi……. I would have thought that a few basic facts on early American history such as Paul Revere’s ride would be taught at primary school level.

Now it seems that you know about the primary or secondary school curriculum in the US. So, what you’re saying is that they are teaching the Paul Revere’s story in the US. Can you point me out to where in the US (both primary & secondary) school curriculum which shows Paul Revere story is included and being taught in the schools?

On a related note, what else in the history of the US that’s being taught at primary school level?
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June 12, 2011 6:42pm
reid

PIA so you ignored my 4:56 request and still choose to ignore what I said last night. I say again, go back and read it. Don’t make me say it again, lest I think you’re as much of a fucktard as Palin is. You’re getting closer but on the ‘Is Palin a hillbilly moron’ scale you’re currently only reading 27-0 so you’ve got some way to go.

Let’s hope the NZRFU doesn’t step in and make us top it out at 30, then you may well be just like Palin is, very shortly indeed.
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June 12, 2011 6:55pm
Put it away

So now you’re backing away from EVERYTHING you said yesterday? Why not just admit it.

Ignored what request? To click your google search? Did, and reported the results. And I did go back to what you said yesterday about music but you now seem too embarrassed to discuss it. I’ll take that as a win.
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June 12, 2011 7:00pm
Sonny Blount

Pauleastbay (978) Says:
June 12th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Sonny and Mawn and others

I want to see a Reublican resident in the Whitehouse as much as you probably, but if Sarah Palin is the best they can do then I fear we will have another term of empty platitudes from the current POTUS.

She is Dan Quayle with tits and a great set of legs, she is a handicap

What the has Sarah Palin got to do with the Presidency Paul?

Have you seen anyone going through Romney and Pawlentys emails? Do you know what papers they read? Have you had a laugh at their idiotic gaffes which every politician has?
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June 12, 2011 7:00pm
Pauleastbay

Not yet Sonny, but given some time I will if they become available

Politicians are fair game, I loathe 99% of them of every political hue. Just as some men are more equal than others some politicians are more cerebally challenged than others.

Now unless you are related to Ms Palin you could stop being quite so precious about her.

But understand this, I love Maggie Thatcher unreservedly but I am starting to creep myself out a bit as she is now 104 years old
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June 12, 2011 7:11pm
nasska

Falafulu Fisi

Other than (accepted that it’s anecdotal) just getting off the phone to a mate of mine who went through the birth to university education system in Montana I don’t know a great deal about school curricula in the USA. Incidentally he was taught at school that Paul Revere was a hero & a patriot. I accept that he is in his mid fifties & that things could have changed.

In any case my remark was in the sense that either Ms Palin or the reporter were wrong. Since presumably they were both educated in the USA one of them was fed a load of drivel.
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June 12, 2011 7:13pm
Sonny Blount

The details don’t really matter nasska. It is the idiocy of those people who run around pointing out how stupid people are, I’ve don’t know who intelligent people who act like that.

Paul,

You need to understand what is going on with Sarah Palin, she as an individual doesn’t matter, conservativism is based on principles hundreds of years old there are plenty of other people to represent them.

But, if those conservatives capitulate to the media and go along to get along on Sarah Palin by joining in the braindead bashing they are showing themselves to be thoughtless. The left wing thinks of conservatives as crazy, mentally impaired people. Onserve what was said around the Tuscan shootings, many on the left wing quite seriously suggested that it was not safe to talk in front conservatives in metaphors involving guns because they couldn’t be trusted not to go around shooting people, but if a liberal talked about guns it was ok because their audience could handle it.

What the media and libs are doing to Palin is just projecting what they would like to get away with saying about every conservative. If the right doesn’t stand up and call them out we will never halt the slide leftward, the left controls 99% of Hollywood and 90% of the media because conservatives handed them the narrative and settled for their terms.

Grow some balls and brush up on your facts, Palin bashing is just repeating left wing talking points. She is a smart, articulate, and serious woman.
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June 12, 2011 7:36pm
Pauleastbay

Sonny

Trouble with Palin is she keeps given them ammo and by the way the ultra conservative right in the US are as barmy as the left, probably more so.

When you have legends predicting the end of the world on a Tuesday at 4.00pm you are just asking for a slapping in the media, caricatures of gun-toting imbeciles is pure gold to them.

What the Republicans need is a John Key .some one who gives the media nothing and when they have nothing they make shit up and you end up having the high ground
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June 12, 2011 7:46pm
Viking2

CONVERSATION WITH A POLITICIAN
A politician was seated next to a little girl on an airplane so he turned to her
and said, “Do you want to talk? Flights go quicker if you strike up a
conversation with your fellow passenger.”

The little girl, who had just started to read her book, replied to the
total stranger, “What would you want to talk about?”

“Oh, I don’t know,” he said . “How about global warming,
health care, or stimulus packages?” as he smiled smugly.

“OK,” she said. “Those could be interesting topics but let me ask you a
question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff – grass.
Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty,
but a horse produces clumps. Why do you suppose that is?”

The MP, visibly surprised by the little girl’s intelligence, thinks about
it and says, “Hmmm, I have no idea.”

To which the little girl replies, “Do you really feel qualified to
discuss global warming, health care, or the economy, when you
don’t know shit?”

And then she went back to reading her book.
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June 12, 2011 7:58pm
mikenmild

I suppose it takes all kinds, but I’d have thought even Kiwiblog would be free of Palin supporters. The Democrats would love a Palin candidacy. Imagine her attempting to bedate with Obama.
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June 12, 2011 8:02pm
Pete George

That’s one of the better poli jokes V2. A great laugh. But maybe it’s worth a cry too.
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June 12, 2011 8:13pm
nasska

An older couple had a son, who was still living at home.
They were a little worried, as the son was still unable to
decide about his future career, so they decided to do a
small test.

They took a ten dollar note, a bible, and a bottle of whiskey,
and put them on the front hall table, then they hid in the
nearby closet, pretending they were not at home.

The father told his wife, “If our son takes the money,
he will be a businessman, if he takes the bible, he will be
a priest, but if he takes the bottle of whiskey, I’m afraid
our son will be a drunkard.”

So, the couple waited nervously. Peeping through the
keyhole they saw their son arrive. He saw the note they
had left. Then, he took the ten dollar note, looked at it
against the light, and slid it in his pocket.

After that, he took the bible, flipped through it, to see if any
stashed money fell out, and tucked it under his arm.

Finally, he grabbed the bottle, opened it, and took an
appreciative sip to be assured of the quality. Then he
left for his room, carrying all three items.

The father slapped his forehead, and said, “It’s even worse
than I could ever have imagined. Our son is going to be
a politician!”
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June 12, 2011 8:27pm
reid

I’ll take that as a win.

Yes PIA you’re the sort of hillbilly fucktard who would. But sorry, no banana. As you well know I was referring to my post on GD last night where I explained your extraordinarily profound misunderstanding of what I was saying about harmonic modification of DNA compared to what you say I am saying. That one. Why don’t you run off and have a look at it. But I know you won’t. So again PIA, no further replies, till you do. As before, this doesn’t mean you win, it means you’re far too dumb to know what you’re missing.

I know you won’t think that, but I don’t care.

You just run along now.
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June 12, 2011 8:40pm
Put it away

I understand completely reid, you posted a moronic article, got called for it, tried to quietly sound the retreat and at the same time idiotically tried to blow hard about no one was debating you. You’re too embarassed now to defend anything you were supporting yesterday so you start claiming you didn’t say it. If that’s not a loss, what is?
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June 12, 2011 8:46pm
reid

PIA, that’s someone telling me that Y is wrong because of X but actually I said Z so I don’t really care about X or Y or any letter except Z which you refuse to discuss.

This is why I have come to realise over the last 24 hours or so you’re a fucktard. You just can’t grasp the simplest things.

————

To all the normal people on GD, have a look at this:

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/business/2011/06/world-bank-cuts-links-imf-after-major-breach-security/38739/

The implications of this are severe: the IMF has a “repository of highly confidential information about the fiscal condition of many nations,” and “its database contains potentially market-moving information.” The repository also contains communications with national leader that, in the words of one fund official, are “political dynamite in many countries.”
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June 12, 2011 9:02pm
Put it away

sorry reid, but you’re not getting off the hook for your retardation yesterday. You said all that horseshit about boogieing, and your denials today just prove that you know you were being an idiot, but you’re too pigheaded to admit it. No sale.
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June 12, 2011 9:11pm
Sonny Blount

Pauleastbay,

It sounds like you’re not paying attention to conservatism in America.

They do better when they put forward principled conservatives who know and understand the history and basis of the philosophy. Ronald Reagan succeeded as much as a politician can, George H W Bush and John McCain failed. If you put forward candidates based on what is acceptable to the left you end up with George W Bush.

Newt Gingrich has been the leading ‘intellectual’ Republican for the past 2 decades, who do you think is smarter, Gingrich or Palin?

This ultra conservative left and right that you fantasise about is a sympton of a healthy and vibrant democracy, but they have no more sway overall than they do here. We have our own National Front, bible bashers, survivalists and seperatists as well, and we give them ample media coverage, but do any of us concern ourselves with them come election time?

Mikenmild,

Pay attention, learn the difference between supporting and defending. Palin is admired by many but she is the preferred candidate for no one at all on the right, not even tea partiers where she would be behind probably half a dozen other candidates. But that doesn’t constitute a reason for throwing her under the bus so that ill-informed centrists and left wingers think you are smart or credible.

Here is the way the narrative you are endorsing originates:

http://nation.foxnews.com/media/2011/06/10/left-wing-politico-caught-inventing-palin-quote
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June 12, 2011 9:55pm
RightNow

“One German organic farm has killed twice as many people as the Fukushima nuclear disaster and the Gulf Oil spill combined”

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/one-german-organic-farm-has-killed-twice-as-many-people-as-the-fukushima-nuclear-disaster-and-the-gulf-oil-spill-combined/
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June 12, 2011 10:03pm
Hurf Durf

Bahahaha, I didn’t know the Palin-Thatcher thing had been faked. Thanks for the update mawm. Fuck, I hate the Grauniad.

Rightnow: the Makara Windfarm now has an equivalent death toll to Fukushima. Guess it’s time to shut it down and decommission it. But then, where will Genesis go to film their adverts? So much nuance, it makes my head thump.
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June 12, 2011 10:14pm
tom hunter

She is Dan Quayle with tits and a great set of legs, she is a handicap

Paul, that really is just totally buying into the debate framing of the left. For the left every GOP president or presidential candidate fits one of two stereotypes – evil or stupid (GW was apparently both). That’s also pretty much the case here in NZ with the right.

Your quote is a classic example of it. In the last three years VP Biden has proved to be an even bigger idiot than Quayle in terms of gaffes. In fact his infamous little blurt about President FDR getting on the TV after the 1929 stock market crash goes way beyond the definition of a “gaffe”.

But are Biden’s incredible stupidities the source of water cooler conversations at work? Have you ever heard anybody ooze the same concern about such an idiot being one heartbeat away from the Presidency as we heard with Quayle and Palin. Do you think in 20 years time that even political groupies will be uttering the following comment:

GOP candidate X is Joe Biden with better hair, he is a handicap

Political gaffes and Idiocies abound, but the double standards of the media keep the GOP ones alive forever through constant repetition. Don’t buy into it. If you want to detest a candidate at least be specific about it. If you think her extemporaneous speaking is lousy and you can’t support a candidate who lacks that skill then say that. But for FFS stop repeating the lefty narratives.
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June 12, 2011 10:33pm
reid

So if I just say I think she’s a hillbilly it doesn’t count tom? You’re saying I have to show actual hootenanny clips of her before I can say that?

Just trying to clarify…
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June 12, 2011 10:45pm
Put it away

Well reid, your record of basing your opinions on reality hasn’t been that flash lately has it? I don’t think you can reasonably expect the benefit of the doubt.
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June 12, 2011 10:56pm
Manolo

The poor plagiarist goes home: http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/5119934/Broadcaster-quits-Radio-NZ
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