General Debate 4 May 2011

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Lance

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May 4, 2011 8:04am
Lance

I see Hone is holding off his resignation until he consults his people.
Yea right.. he just realized he won’t be living off the tax payer for a while and is trying to figure out a way to have his cake and eat it to.
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May 4, 2011 8:06am
Manolo

Really? Why do we have to pay? The sense of entitlement of these people is beyond belief.

‘Foster mum’ wants to go to Argentina to help prisoner

Jean Ruakere says she needs to be in Argentina supporting the New Zealand woman facing cocaine charges. Mrs Ruakere, 77, of New Plymouth, regards Sharon Armstrong as a daughter.

Mrs Ruakere is calling on the Government to send her and Ms Armstrong’s daughter to Argentina to provide emotional and physical support. Ms Armstrong has no family or friends in Argentina. “I would like to be with her at the moment,” Mrs Ruakere said.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4958249/Foster-mum-wants-to-go-to-Argentina-to-help-prisoner
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May 4, 2011 8:07am
Grizz

@Manolo

The solution is simple. Give them access to skype. Its like being in Argentina while still being in NZ. Saves on the carbon footprint as well.
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May 4, 2011 8:13am
Lance

@Manolo
This is just an appropriate response to the trauma suffered from colonial oppression. Not only should all rich pricks pay for the flights and accommodation, I think a little by-pass to Disneyland and Las Vegas with appropriate amounts of spending money would be a minor gesture to assuage the deep emotional scars of genocide.
Cheap at half the price and think of the benefits to you, the tax payer as you will feel just that tiny bit less guilty.
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May 4, 2011 8:14am
Bobbie black

OMG!

I tell you what as a Kiwi overseas opening the NZ news items is just like opening a box of chocolates.

You never know what you are going to get.

I mean the non-native English speaking accents!

Where ARE these people from!?

Oh yeah, we have tornadoes like that all the time in Slovenia! Nothing.

No seriously, that is weird.

I tell you what, true story, I have been surfing since I was twelve, so that’s about ten years now but I never saw a tornado.

But I was out surfing near the Mount, good surf sunny day, about a year ago and there had been some weird weather there before, freak hail-storms and a pretty decent water spout out to sea.

Anyway, I looked up and I saw this weird funnel forming in the sky.

My first thought was, wow that shit WAS really good! I will call him again tonight.

But then I realised it was real.

It freaked me out enough that I paddled straight in as I was worried about being sucked up.

You know, it only half formed in the sky, quite beautiful, but it never landed.

Then it dissipated.

I was quite disappointed at the time but looking at that now, wow.

True story, that was about a year ago.

By the way, did Hone get sucked up?

Just kidding, wishful thinking.
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May 4, 2011 8:15am
cabbage

See the watermelon Aussie isn’t particuarly enthused about the ‘Mana’ Party.

“I just don’t think a lot of people are really hanging out for a Hone Harawira, Sue Bradford, John Minto, Annette Sykes kind of party … They’re looking for something progressive and forward-looking that actually is oriented to the current century rather than the last one.”

For once he speaks the truth!
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May 4, 2011 8:32am
flipper

The Dom Post this AM carries an excellent letter from a correspondent querying the proclivity of some self-important twits who, having secured a Ph.D. in “hip-hop or the like”, feel compelled to use “Dr” in their correspondence. This is clearly an attempt to bolster their standing. But a Ph.D , or a properly qualified MD, is totally irrelevant unless the Ph.D is related to the specific field on which Dr Joe Blow is expressing an opinion. Same applies to Nicky Smith, Lockie Smith and “Rich Prick” Cullen et al.
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May 4, 2011 8:34am
Bobbie black

Anyway Kiwis look out for an increasing number of devastating life threatening blow jobs.

No sorry I mean suck jobs.
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May 4, 2011 8:35am
rosscalverley

The Financial Transaction Tax touted by the Mana Party was originally adapted by Kelvyn Alp for the party DDP in 2004 for the 2005 General Elections. (And he has proof of this) He has carried that policy into the OURNZ Party (going through formal registration).

Kelvyn approached Hone Harawira via Hone’s relations seeking to unite minor parties with similar aims. Hone asked for 1) the OURNZ Party policies (available at http://www.ournz.net/) to see if there were areas of agreement and 2) Mike Tamaki to call him. This was done and contact ceased.

His application of the Transaction Tax is inappropriate and will raise prices.

The original policy: Taxation rates are too high, meaning that companies are at a disadvantage when competing for foreign investment, business on the world stage and for real growth.

The solution is a 1% Transaction Tax on all outgoing financial transactions. The tax will replace ALL other taxes including many “hidden” taxes. Software programmed into RBNZ’s electronic clearing system will state daily transactions of the banking system, meaning implementation will be simple. Calculated on total transacted amount per annum, a tax of 1% will provide the Government with sufficient operating revenue.

Some think it would negatively affect the economy. This is a false notion and it will have a beneficial effect on the economy through being able to tax money that is now untaxed. This solution will bring prosperity, increases in employment and less dependence on the State.

Money was intended to distribute goods and services at an agreed value. Money was never meant to be a commodity. The solution is not to tax the real wealth of this country (labour, resources, business etc), but rather to tax how wealth is distributed. With no income tax, nor GST to pay, everybody will effectively have a pay rise.

So, the only Party that understands the application of the policy properly is OURNZ Party and we shall be campaigning on this and other policies this year. Join us on the OURNZ Group discussion page on Facebook!
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May 4, 2011 8:36am
Luc Hansen

Ross, Bruce Beetham beat you all to it a long time ago.

But it still sounds a promising idea to me – unless you’re rich.
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May 4, 2011 8:42am
cabbage

Bobbie: There was an awesome waterspout off teh Kapiti coast a few years ago. Will see if i can find some pics.

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1233108507/612/271612.jpg
http://gcaptain-s3.s3.amazonaws.com/maritime/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/waterspout.jpg
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May 4, 2011 8:43am
Bobbie black

Oh Jesus now Corin is like in shadow mode again.

God that new host is like SEXY SEXY SEXY!

My advice, retain her and bring back Paul whatshisname!?

Maybe add a bit of Pippa spice.

OK but stop her mentioning her husband.
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May 4, 2011 8:45am
Rich Prick

Lance, that’s starting to sound awfully like a hip-hop tour. And they were removed from the schedule of benefits bludgers are entitled to some time ago.
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May 4, 2011 8:46am
Luc Hansen

Is it worthwhile bringing this into GD?

The US admits Osama Bin Laden was unarmed.

I originally guessed as much by Obama’s original statement. He is very careful with words. He originally said, “…there was a firefight, then Bin Laden was killed.”

Those Seals are tough guys, huh? Worried a frail 53 yr old might resist being bundled into a chopper?

How old are those Gitmo detainees?

All over 53?
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May 4, 2011 8:48am
Bobbie black

Coren is so nervous…alongside a nasty woman.

Sexy or Petra.

He seems most at home with Rordan and Peter.

Sad.
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May 4, 2011 8:48am
Bobbie black

Pink shirt.
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May 4, 2011 8:51am
Murray

Why don’t you go get up in ST6’s faces about it luc and then report back to us about tough you are.

There’s some pay for view right there.
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May 4, 2011 8:53am
Grizz

@Ross

The argument that taxed are too high, they stifle business and employment opporttunities is not new. It is a main feature of the lost economic purists in the ACT party. Overseas we are seeing a resurgent “Tea Party” movement who advocate abolishing income taxes in favour of a flat sales tax.

However, any halfwit can see that your idea of a 1% financial transation tax will bankrupt the country. To make this work, you will need to have access to all foreign exchange transactions involving the NZ dollar. However, Most of these transaction occur overseas, outside the control of the RBNZ. Furthermore, the so called rich pricks who have overseas shares and trades, will continue to do this from foreign bank accounts circumnavigating this tax. I really think you need to come up with a new ideas. Take a leaf out of the Tea Party movement.

By the way, are you still persuing the idea that interest on loans is illegal?
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May 4, 2011 8:57am
Luc Hansen

Now a personal story.

I’ll think differently about flying pigs and pink elephants after yesterday’s twister. It came a bit too close to my little 2 yo treasure for comfort. When she was being picked up from Beach Haven ECE by her afternoon carer, they (parents and kids) were hurrying to their cars in torrential rain and noticing objects dropping with the rain! Especially, pink batts!

Nothing like what lots of others went thorough, but scary stuff for a doting Dad.

And, on her way to pick up said toddler, my wife, on a journey usually about 30 mins from her work in the bays to Beach Haven, took over two hours.

Turned out the twister had come quite close, knocking a tree in nearby Kaipatiki across the road, forcing yet another detour.

Quite a day!
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May 4, 2011 8:59am
Bobbie black

Dump Coren, Peter, and Rordan.

Thingy and may bring back Pippa, Paul and Sexy.

Anyway I out.
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May 4, 2011 9:02am
Luc Hansen

Murray

They were following orders.

Hmmm…remember Nuremburg?
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May 4, 2011 9:06am
Bobbie black

I’m out.

Such a tiring and stressful day (if only you knew) and probably stirred up enough ridiculousness for one day.

5 days off now…will sleep until I wake up.

Hopefully in a couple of days.

OUT!

Godbless and take care Kiwis.

I will return one day.
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May 4, 2011 9:16am
Nookin

For those with fertile imaginations or who are just kinky.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/4959250/Lingerie-clad-man-stood-over-stabbed-goat
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May 4, 2011 9:26am
All_on_Red

From Tim Blair
Parents can comfort children who are disturbed by the killing of Osama bin Laden by answering their questions honestly, psychology experts say.
Child’s question: “Mummy, what should I do if I meet someone who has slaughtered thousands of innocent people in the name of a perverted theocracy?”

Honest mother’s answer: “If I’ve raised you right, you will kill him. Goodnight, sweetie.”
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May 4, 2011 9:33am
nasska

Results of recent in depth research have been revealeded today.

AGW activist Luc Hansen has noticed that the Southern Hemisphere is cooling rapidly & has identified the phenomenon as “Climate Change” or Autumn as the rest of us prefer to call it.
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May 4, 2011 9:40am
OURNZ Party

@Griz – I think you need to take another look at the proposal. No calculations have been made on anything offshore. All figures have been based on those provided by the Reserve Bank themselves and therefore able to attract the 1% TT. Perhaps you may like to read the research document that gives credibility to this?

Why would anyone be against a 1% Transaction Tax in place of ALL other taxes? Would you not personally be better off i.e. whether you spend $1,000.00 in lots of $1.00 or in a lump sum, the total amount paid will be just 1% or $10.00. With Income Tax and GST removed, would you not be in a better position?

Do you not know much about derivative trading and the likes that will yield much better for the country instead of destroying it? An idea about real world economics instead of guess work would help here.
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May 4, 2011 9:49am
hj

# Paul G. Buchanan (240) Says:
May 3rd, 2011 at 10:59 pm

Rather than address Mr. Norman’s ignorance of what “terrorism” is as a tactic in unconventional warfare (“the deliberate lethal targeting of innocents so as to sow fear and panic in order to bend a subject audience to one’s will” might suffice for starters), let me explain the concept of “outlaw.” Since I lived in the US West for a time, the concept is quite known to me and applicable to Mr. bin-Laden. An “outlaw” is someone who has violated societal norms to the point that are placed “outside” of the law–that is, the person has forfeited the right to legal protection. This leaves them at the mercy of any countervailing force and completely self-reliant in terms of their physical security and defense. They are, in other words, fair game. I am not fan of wikipedia but its description of “outlaw” is succinct on the matter: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outlaw

By any definition Mr. bin-Laden was an outlaw.

I shall also leave aside the responsibility to protect, lesser evil and preventive war justifications for the raid on Mr. bin-Laden’s hideout, but let’s just say that Mr. Norman displays an appalling lack of understanding of jus in bello as well as a remarkable lack of political nous when in comes to this subject.

Sometimes the use of lethal force is justified, pure and simple. If they are to be credible on such matters (and a potential partner in any government), theGreens need to stop playing to the airey-fairey idealism of some of their supporters and deal pragmatically with a world in which matters of good and evil are not always black and white.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/05/greens_compare_us_to_terrorists.html#comments
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May 4, 2011 10:00am
Linda Reid

@OURNZ Party – would a tax like this not encourage a cash economy – so people could avoid paying the tax?

Generally – I can see your point – it would be a broad-based, low tax that would be automatically applied to all bank transactions and therefore cost little to administer and free up time currently spend on GST, FBT, Income tax and other tax accounting.
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May 4, 2011 10:01am
Ed Snack

OURNZ, once you apply such a tax, the behaviour of those making foreign exchange transactions will change. You are expecting them to to pay tens of billions of $ in tax, ain’t going to happen is it. So you will raise costs for exporters and importers, and still have to have income tax, GST, etc. Ultimately, only local people pay taxes often in ways that don’t tlook like taxes directly (higher prices for goods & services).
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May 4, 2011 10:03am
hj

A problem with wikipedia is that some distant twigs on the tree gain more attention from one side of an argument than others as when a too much time on their hands (works as archivist?) distorts the entry on the Urewera 17.
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May 4, 2011 10:04am
Linda Reid

With regard to taxation – My position is that it should be simple enough that you don’t need a specialist to do your tax returns – anyone capable of balancing their bank accounts or keeping a cashbook should be able to understand the tax system and able to do their own tax returns.

One of the better things Douglas did was to simplify the tax system in the 80s and since then, first Labour and now National have made it more and more complicated. Shame on them.
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May 4, 2011 10:06am
side show bob

So the White House will release pictures of OBL to quell conspiracy theories. Barry wasn’t so quick off the mark to do the same with his BC, perhaps pictures of a dead terrorist are better proof then a dubious LFBC.
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May 4, 2011 10:09am
hj

Weren’t those people in the Ureweras practicing interrogation (mock execution) = torture? Weren’t they the “dear friends ” of the Peace Movement? Didn’t Keith Locke say:

“I would feel more comfortable in the company of those arrested in the raids than I would among some of my fellow MP’s in Parliament”.
http://www.youtube.com/v/lyCA_h3pkgk

Didn’t Meteria say “we are winning the media war”???
?????
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May 4, 2011 10:16am
side show bob

Linda Reid, 10.06, good on you Linda but a simple tax system? My God woman you’ll scare the living crap out of a vast section of our society that rely on complicated tax laws. I’m afraid there are to many vested interests in keeping complex tax law, just imagine the peasants fully understanding how the system works, pandemonium.
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May 4, 2011 10:24am
RightNow

I had a cheery thought this morning: Mallard, King and Goff will never be in government again. Good times.
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May 4, 2011 10:25am
voice of reason

Good on this woman Cheree for at least trying something.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4959319/Baby-death-meeting-on-despite-nark-label

Unfortunately she seems to be acting on her own and given the response of some of the local ferals I will be surprised if she can make even a tiny difference
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May 4, 2011 10:50am
RightNow

voice of reason, it’s hard to believe that there are savages living in NZ who think it’s more important to protect baby killers rather than babies. They don’t deserve to see another day let alone another benefit payment.
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May 4, 2011 11:00am
RightNow

ROFL

[DPF: 20 demerits for personal attack on me. That makes 100 and a one week holiday]

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/05/how_much_of_a_bump_will_obama_get.html#comment-826938
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May 4, 2011 11:03am
thedavincimode

Luc

They went there to kill him.

If you’ve got a problem with that then write to that other 99.9% proof and complete and utter fuckwit Phool Goof. Maybe he can sound all pompous and irrelevant about it when he’s finished refereeing the SAS prisoner handover and trying to spin up a controversey about our new GG. Or if you want to do something that’s actually useful, go see your mates in Libya and Syria and tell them to stop shooting the aspiring voters.
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May 4, 2011 11:11am
The Hoff

So now the truth comes out – bin Laden WASN’T armed, he DIDN’T use a woman as a human shield and he WASN’T living in a million dollar-plus mansion
http://wp.me/p1rzNS-eM
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May 4, 2011 11:16am
thedavincimode

Thanks Hoff

“… bin Laden, upon seeing his wife get shot, rushes the US troops himself, but unlike his wife, who was merely wounded, he is shot twice in the head and once in the chest (all definite kill shots).”

That’s it right there – it turns out it was self defence. I take it all back.
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May 4, 2011 11:22am
thedavincimode

Does anyone know if Redbaiter lead this raid?
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May 4, 2011 11:26am
Longknives

If Sharon Armstrong’s ‘whanau’ get an all expenses taxpayer-funded jaunt to South America to ‘support’ their drug dealer daughter there will be some very unhappy New Zealander taxpayers…just think of all those who have forked out their OWN hard earned cash for airfares for family emergencies/sickness/deaths etc…
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May 4, 2011 11:43am
Pete George

Does anyone know if Redbaiter lead this raid?

Suspicious? RB, last post 1 May: “I’m travelling at the moment and only have intermittent internet access.”

The original accounts of the OBL killing certainly sounded suspiciously like propaganda.
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May 4, 2011 11:44am
Manolo

Apparently the funding application has been rejected. A good decision.

Drug accused’s ‘aunty’s’ Argentina trip rejected
She said Ms Armstrong, who had no friends in Argentina, needed support and the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade’s refusal was a blow.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10723279
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May 4, 2011 11:47am
Longknives

Perhaps they should go to WINZ and apply under the guise of a ‘Hip Hop’ research tour?
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May 4, 2011 11:57am
thedavincimode

No Longknives, that was the previous government.

PG, what about RSM Kris K? Any sightings or has he gone deep ops too?
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May 4, 2011 12:05pm
thedavincimode

Whoops, should that be Gunny Kris K??
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May 4, 2011 12:09pm
Pete George

Close Up could be worth watching for a change:

Harawira, Brash to face off in debate

Hone Harawira will square up for a debate with the new ACT Party leader Don Brash tonight.
Harawira is set to appear on TVNZ’s Close Up show tonight to clash with Brash.
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May 4, 2011 12:22pm
cabbage

A little something CV said over on the substandard:

PS and I’ll tell you another problem with the frickin Left these days, its solidarity with each other as long as you subscribe to my sense of values. Otherwise I will feel free to look down my nose on you for being prejudiced and small minded. Trotter wrote about this very recently, and voters don’t like it one bit

Never a truer word written, the irony though is that CV and his ilk over at the substandard are perhaps the worst for looking down their noses at those who don’t prescribe to their values. The distinction of left and right matters not one iota, but it seems that elements of teh left (and right) haven’t ‘got it’ yet
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May 4, 2011 12:51pm
RightNow

Funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nGeKSiCQkPw
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May 4, 2011 12:54pm
Grizz

@OURNZ Party

“An idea about real world economics instead of guess work would help here”

I cannot agree with this statement more. Look If a 1 percent financial transaction tax could replace all other taxes then of course I would be for it. Who would not be. However I do not believe it ever could.

Your proposing tapping into corporate trading of capital, whether it be shares, bonds, property, precious metals, derivatives of above, commodity futures etc. The difficulty here is that there simply is not enough of it occurring in NZ where almost 1% of total trades would fund government expenditure. Given the amount the government spends, there would need to be annual capital trading of 5 trillion dollars (assuming a budget of around $50 billion). As far as derivatives trading goes, New Zealand’s trade is infintesimal compared to the volumes and values on the ASX, London City and Wall Street etc. Stock and derivatives exchanges are marely vehicles for trading to occur. In the global financial world, they are blind to the country in which the derivative’s product originates in. If trades in NZ became too expensive, they would go offshore and be traded from overseas bank accounts domiciled in a foreign country, away from the five fingered hand of the government. If fact brokers and banks would be more than willing to help set clients up.
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May 4, 2011 2:17pm
Manolo

More details on the alleged drug mule, who is expected to remain behind bars in Argentina for a number of years.
http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10721726
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May 4, 2011 2:22pm
Rex Widerstrom

I don’t usually find Jay Leno all that funny (as late night hosts go, Craig Ferguson rules) but I had a chuckle at this last night:

For their honeymoon, the royal couple wants to go somewhere they can have complete privacy and no one in the country will give away their location. I think they’re going to Pakistan.
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May 4, 2011 2:46pm
rosscalverley

On average 35.4 billion dollars changes hands per day.
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May 4, 2011 3:10pm
Ryan Sproull

But if it gets a straight flush, it pushes all in.
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May 4, 2011 3:13pm
Brian Smaller

At Waterloo railway station this morning some Labour drones were handing out those little billboard postcards. These women were trying to tell people that, and I quote, if “John Key sells our power companies then overseas buyers will send our power out of the country and we will have blackouts. It has happened in other countries.”

Wow. Who knew?
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May 4, 2011 3:29pm
RightNow

“Wow. Who knew?” – the same people who knew all benefit payments would instantly cease if National were elected in 2008.
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May 4, 2011 3:34pm
lofty

Yes Brian it will be sent out in the false bottoms of suitcases wrapped in carbon paper to beat the xray machines, then sold on the overseas market for absolutely squillions.

The down fall of many a power mule and dead givaway has been the need to wear rubber gloves to hold the cases.
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May 4, 2011 3:46pm
RightNow

@Ryan Sproull – got it. Only took me 2 hours 😉
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May 4, 2011 5:09pm
pdm

Boy I have just stopped one from Trev over at Red Alert. 3 months ban and a years moderation all for telling the truth on the Don Brash health thread.

George I don’t know if you frequent the general debate here but if you do – thanks for your support but don’t get banned on my account – every available voice of reason is needed over there.
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May 4, 2011 5:24pm
RightNow

@pdm – 3 months, pah. I got a summary ban (no mention of being allowed back) for mentioning Brenda Lawson. Trev’s such a sensitive wee sausage (according to the gossip).
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May 4, 2011 5:53pm
pdm

My crime was to suggest that Labour was more interested in raising administrative numbers rather than front line staff. I used the example of Ray Lind (sp) Annette Kings husband being placed in the Hawkes Bay District Health administration to white ant the democratically elected board which Cunliffe then sacked.
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May 4, 2011 6:28pm
lilman

Luc still holding the moral high ground as innocents die or are sidelined.
What a generous and brave lifestyle you lead.
PONTIFICATING your poison and beliefs on the back of others who have not the luxury of choice or representation.
Still up for that trip?, you never answered .
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May 4, 2011 6:35pm
joana

Five men have been arrested under terrorism laws outside a nuclear power plant in the UK.
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May 4, 2011 6:45pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/4953074/Former-teacher-struck-off-for-Penthouse-pictures

The New Zealand Teachers Council strikes off a teacher who was not teaching when she posed for Penthouse.

Is this the same teachers council that wont strike off teachers who are teaching who have assaulted pupils, had porn on school computers and are members of the PPTA

Just seems a bit redundant when name suppression for shit bag teachers is upheld and they are allowed to go to another school and teach without parents knowing. Just my thoughts.
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May 4, 2011 6:51pm
Pauleastbay

Right Now
is Brenda Lawson the rower who he started a relationship with the day after his marriage went tits up but “they had never had anything to do with each other until the marriage ended”?

Trevs was lucky to get a new chick so quick ,, I remember being happy for him at the time.
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May 4, 2011 6:55pm
kaya

Anyway, just remembered – may the fourth be with you…..
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May 4, 2011 7:06pm
Hurf Durf

Hatfield wants his pound of gold and he’ll disparage anyone in public until he gets it.
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May 4, 2011 7:07pm
reid

Following on from Manolo’s 8:07, the linked article says in part:

Ms Armstrong had worked for the Probation Service and a now defunct criminal rehabilitation service, Te Ihi Tu, in New Plymouth. She moved to Wellington and until last year was with the Maori Language Commission.

During her time with the commission, Ms Armstrong assisted in the development of a Maori dictionary, He Pataka Kupu, and had presented her proud “foster mum” with a boxed and bound copy.

a) Did the box have a false bottom?
b) What was Ms Armstrong’s involvement in the project? It wasn’t “you go do it and show me when you’re finished, eh” was it?
c) Did either her “foster mum” or Ms Armstrong pay for this gift?
d) Does any recipient actually pay for these dictionaries, or are they just given away, for free?
e) How much did the whole thing cost to produce and print?
f) How much have they improved the uptake of Te Reo, based on objective, scientific and inarguable before and after data and statistics?
g) If no-one thought to take these before and after measurements, why not?
h) If no-one at the Maori Language Commission can answer questions b through h, why not?
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May 4, 2011 7:11pm
mattyroo

Just noticed that Brash and the racist bastard Hatfield are to debate on the Walrus’ show tonight, being offshore I’m unable to watch it on TVNZ website… If anyone is able to put it up on Youtube, that would be appreciated. TIA.
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May 4, 2011 7:15pm
rosscalverley

Because they are time-serving bureaucrats.
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May 4, 2011 7:16pm
kaya

The Hone v Don Circus is going about as well as expected……..nowhere fast.
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May 4, 2011 7:17pm
big bruv

The Don must stop being such a gentleman when faced with racist thugs like John Hatfield, time after time Hatfield blatantly lied and the Don did not step in and refute the lie.

Of course, there is the argument that says you let Hatfield have as much air time as possible because the fucking moron just keeps digging himself a deeper hole, what stupid Hatfield failed to realise is that he had just solidified the vote for ACT, he has just ensured another percentage point for ACT with his openly racist bullshit and bullying behaviour.
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May 4, 2011 7:33pm
Alan Wilkinson

Time for Key to sack Kate Wilkinson if she is not going to sort out the useless Immigration Department. Just watched the disgusting story of Martin Payne on TV3.

Seems like this completely useless department has a completely useless Minister.

You’re a disgrace to my good surname, Minister.
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May 4, 2011 7:34pm
Lance

Had no idea Hone was that thick.
I just thought he was a hate filled bigot but I now see another element to his make up.
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May 4, 2011 7:39pm
reid

Here’s part one of a BBC doco that can’t be the case. Of course it couldn’t.

al Qa’ida doesn’t exist? What a load of bollocks.
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May 4, 2011 7:51pm
Pete George

There is a major disconnect with Brash – he was ruthless and relentless behind the scenes with the Act takeover, but in public debate he slumps and almost cowers. Not good body language.

Both scored the odd point but neither enhanced their reputations.

Here is an excellent analysis of the initial Mana.

Harawira is driven by Maori issues but has to recite the pakeha/worker/poor lines of McCarten with zero passion.
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May 4, 2011 8:05pm
reid

Sorry, my 7:51 wasn’t the same BBC doco I thought it was, this is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqqUUPtJggI&feature=related
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May 4, 2011 8:16pm
LabourDoesntWork

Re: Close Up tonight. Examples of historical political “retreads” for the benefit of retread journo, Mark Sainsbury:
Bill Clinton, Reagan, Abraham Lincoln, Churchill, Jerry Brown (Brash’s counter-example).

Sainsbury expects people to give up after experiencing failure? Thanks for the insight, Wise One.
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May 4, 2011 8:32pm
Alan Wilkinson

John Howard is a “close up” example.
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May 4, 2011 9:20pm
reid

Re: Close Up tonight.

Lots of significant body language going on there, interesting . Richard Pease’s many books on body language are well worth reading, BTW. 80% of communication is non-verbal.

As usual the Walrus doesn’t pursue the relevant lines and changes the subject just when things get to a critical breakthrough.

Hone = racist, arrogant mofo trying to dominate but not succeeding
Don = calm, unfazed in the face of extreme provocation, handled it better than just about anyone would have, apart from Muldoon and Prebble would have
Mark = good marks for trying, but as usual, D-minus for technique. Given this is all he does for a living, when is TVNZ going to get a strong interviewer for these “special shows:” e.g. Lindsay Perigo.
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May 4, 2011 9:23pm
Pete George

How to time a poll so it is totally irrelevant:

A UMR Research poll of 700 Kiwis following the wedding of Prince William and Kate Middleton found approval of the royal family leaped to 74 per cent from the 60 per cent it stood at back in July 2002 when the question was last asked.
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May 4, 2011 9:31pm
starboard

Vive Le Bangkok ! What a great place. People just gettin on with it. Makes NZ look like a retarded backwater..no offence.
40 degrees and lovin it.
Kop Khun Khup.
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