General Debate 3 May 2011

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Bobbie black

No 1.

Hell, may as well throw this in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN5PoW7_kdA&NR=1&feature=fvwp

I have at least three friends who would find this amusing.
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May 3, 2011 8:22am
nasska

I can understand why Muslims are so highly motivated to carry out terrorist attacks, they are promised 72 virgins when they go to heaven. A fine reward, I’m sure we’ll all agree.
But for those virgins… heaven isn’t exactly what they expected is it?
“You be a good little girl, you must always wear a burka, you must always wear a veil. You may not go to school, you may not get a job, you may not learn to read, you may not vote, drive, dance, play games or listen to music. You must live a life of absolute humility and celibacy. Then when you die you will go to heaven…
….where you will be raped by evil terrorists and be their sex slave for the rest of eternity.”
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May 3, 2011 8:24am
KH

Karl Marx said the benefit always flows to the owner in the end. And that led to a few revolutions etc
I agree with old Karl’s view. But it leads me instead to think being an owner is the best option.
Lupa of Brazil (nominally socialist) said “We were a capitalist county, but we had no capital” Mmmmmh. Sounds familiar to here.
Brian Gaynor the other day outlined very cogently that NZers do not hang on to ownership of their assets and companies. And essentially we shooting are ourselves in the foot. Still !
It seems to me. 1. We better stop borrowing. 2. We need to retain control. 3. We need to get into the black and be owners on our own country and not tenants.
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May 3, 2011 8:30am
BeaB

nasska
All the desert religions are created by men to suit men. Just look at what happened to Lot’s daughters.
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May 3, 2011 8:32am
hj

Jock Anderson and Graham Bell on the documentary Operation 8 Deep in the forest [The Panel Jim Moira].

“Most of the suppresion orders put in place have come at the request of the defence, and what is worring me is that all the public commentators know very little about it or the actual substance of what has been going on.Now I’m in a position where I do know something about it (but i can’t tell you what it is).; it’s all being treated as though it was something minor thing going on and the police have made a big deal about it. Well I can assure people that that is not the case at all; this was serious business.. these accused are going to have to satisfy the judge that they have a proper and fit reason for having the firearms and explosives (there’s a reverse onus of proof) and i can’t wait to hear the explanation of the firearms charges… nowhere in the film do we see any explanation of that.”
“Well they cover that in this Operation 8 film don’t they?”

“Well part of the way, but they do not cover those crucial things: this is what I was doing with this rifle, this is what I was doing with these explosives. No one says specifically what they were doing.. or why they were charged as being part of a criminal group.”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/national/aft/2011/04/26/the_panel_with_graham_bell_and_jock_anderson_part_2
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May 3, 2011 8:33am
Bobbie black

72?

Why 72?

Not that I would be complaining.

That would be pretty tiring though wouldn’t it?

And messy.

Guess not if you were dead.

No need for viagra.

Clever.
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May 3, 2011 8:33am
hj

Russell Brown calls Operation 8 Deep in the Forest a “Work of Advocacy”
“I think the film crosses a line at quite a pivotal point. We see and hear Solicitor General David Collins say there is insufficient evidence for charges under the Terrorism Suppression Act and instruct the news media to take care in reporting the case. We do not hear him complain that the incoherent drafting of the law made it difficult for him to approve charges, or say “I wish also to stress that the police have successfully brought to an end what were very disturbing activities,” and pay tribute to their “professionalism and integrity”. These things are literally edited out of his statement.
This matters, because Collins is presented as almost the only honest broker in the Establishment. Wright quoted him approvingly in the Q&A session after last night’s screening in Auckland, telling the audience Collins had declared the charges “a load of crap”. Collins simply did not say that, even in lawyer-language.”
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/a-work-of-advocacy/
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May 3, 2011 8:38am
Bobbie black

Orange: Hey Hone!?

Hone: WHAT!!!?

Orange: What do you think of Orange Mofo’s?
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May 3, 2011 9:00am
103PapPap

Bought my son an iPAD, my daughter an iPOD. The wife got me an iPHONE and I got her an iRON. She wasn’t overly impressed even after I explained it can be integrated with the iWASH, iCOOK, and iCLEAN network. This opened the iNAG reminder service, which totally wiped out the iSHAG function….
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May 3, 2011 9:03am
Bobbie black

Goddammit that new Breakfast host is…let’s face it sexy!

OK she cannot pronounce the bigger words so well, but who cares!!

Not all blondes can be as sexy and clever as Pippa.

But please, please TV1 DO NOT bring back Petra!

And I am in no way suggesting that is why Corin looks tired and hungover.
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May 3, 2011 9:25am
MT_Tinman

72 Virgins?

That takes care of the first month but then you gotta live with 72 ex-virgins.

I’d rather have the fire and brimstone.
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May 3, 2011 9:33am
Caleb

HJ…stepping on broken glass?

Urewera trial..

Darren Hughes investigation..
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May 3, 2011 9:37am
Bobbie black

Or that is why she was sitting very close to him on the couch.
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May 3, 2011 10:00am
Luc Hansen

KH

I’m sure we all share your concerns, but your recipe would do mare harm than good.

Firstly, an austerity budget aimed at drastically reducing govt borrowing would plunge us further into recession. Of course, this is what has been forced upon Greece and Spain, and the pain is becoming plain. Ireland and the UK is beginning the same course of treatment and the results will be similar.

The UK is an interesting case. I heard just last night that for 200 out of the previous 250 years, Britain had a debt/GDP ration worse than today. So Cameron is dredging up the old tart Tina to justify draconian cuts yet, according to actual facts, id Britain is close to bankruptcy now, it has virtually always been in bankruptcy, including when it kicked off the industrial revolution and when it was an Empire.

Borrowing is actually desirable, for the average man in the street, under certain circumstance. It’s not bad, per se. When Romanians successfully revolted, partly because people had no food, Romania was a net creditor, yet, internally, it was very poor.

Now is a good time for NZ inc to borrow.

A short time ago was a stupid time to give tax cuts to our wealthier citizens to the tune of 70 mil per week.
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May 3, 2011 10:17am
Brian Smaller

Taiwanese have scoop on Bin laden death video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0AXjAaf3g&feature=player_embedded
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May 3, 2011 10:24am
hj

Was going through my mail and found a flyer : Stop the Asian Invasion: Join the Resistance. rwrnz@hotmail.com 0224834778. Insignia uses a dead persons head and semi swastika.
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May 3, 2011 10:24am
KH

To PapPap at 9.03
Our local store has a very old, very dead, Mac Computer they use to keep the door blowing shut.
Its label is idoorstop.
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May 3, 2011 10:40am
Christopher Thomson

Apparently the virgins get reconstituted each night. Rebuilt, rehymened or whatever it is. Wonder if the memory gets wiped?
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May 3, 2011 10:41am
hj

Silly to think that we would go to an after life with our biological machinery all charged and ready to go (i.e wake up with a hard on).
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May 3, 2011 10:43am
KH

Luc @ 10.17
Interesting that you are framing this in terms of Government borrowing.
Not all economic affairs are about the Goverment. My post at 8.30am did not mention them.
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May 3, 2011 10:45am
voice of reason

“Bobbie black (367) Says:
May 3rd, 2011 at 9:25 am
Goddammit that new Breakfast host is…let’s face it sexy!”

What ? you cannot be serious !
Have you lost your retinas?
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May 3, 2011 11:04am
hj

Brian Gaynor: Overseas ownership is holding NZ back
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10722384
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May 3, 2011 11:05am
Dazzaman

Yeah Bobbie, Toni Street. Tidy little number…no kids. That’s probably why Petra is looking damned haggard.
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May 3, 2011 11:56am
KH

Also try Brian Gaynor on.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10720955

Brilliant stuff. It’s not all about how much the government borrows. Or left/right debate about privatisation. It’s about a realistic view of how the world is. And how we need to deal with it.
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May 3, 2011 12:09pm
Lance

Hide to stay on as minister!

The game is afoot
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
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May 3, 2011 12:45pm
Pete George

Hide to stay on as minister – Brash…

Common sense prevails over Brash’s impatience to take over completely.
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May 3, 2011 12:46pm
Pete George

However its other minister John Boscawen will drop his portfolios and will not be replaced – meaning the party will continue with just one of its two ministerialships.

Mr Boscawen was appointed Act’s deputy leader at a meeting this morning and will also lead the Act Party’s Parliamentary team. Hillary Calvert was appointed the whip.

Roy no joy. And Boscawen to concentrate on Parliamentary team leader.

Sounds like a cautious sensible transition, hard to know how much is pragmatism and how much is little choice for Brash.
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May 3, 2011 12:59pm
DJP6-25

Brian Smaller 1024 am. Thanks for the video link. The only mistakes the US made re burying Bin Liner were these. There was a religious service, and nobody thought to put a packet of bacon in the coffin.

cheers

David Prosser
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May 3, 2011 1:03pm
Rufus

It seems Hone hasn’t resigned yet.

Tardy?
Oversight?
Trying to be all clever like those white folks who play cards?
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May 3, 2011 1:06pm
DJP6-25

Peter George 12:59 pm. Thanks ABR [Anyone but Roy] I’m glad John Boscawen is there in that role.

cheers

David Prosser
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May 3, 2011 1:07pm
RightNow

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4954281/Seven-years-of-benefit-lies

“A 57-year-old woman has been sent to jail for illegally claiming more than $90,000 in benefits.”

“Avis Iraia of Feilding hung her head in the dock as she was sentenced in Feilding District Court yesterday to a year in prison”

Great, another $90k to house and feed her for a year, on top of the $90k she’s already defrauded us (taxpayers) of.
Would have been better to punish her by completely cutting her benefit and NOT imprisoning her. Making her work to support herself is probably the harshest punishment she could receive.
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May 3, 2011 2:18pm
gravedodger

It appears that the Brash ACT is settling to its work, I agree DJP, CK had it right, let Roy sink without trace. The little I know of John Boscowan he played a straight bat and now the change is made he will transfer his loyalty to The Don, a trait sorely missing in recent political upheavals, but hopefully re-emerging as desirable behavour. Such a contrast to the very messy welfare lifestyle inspired shenanigins of the bmfo party launch.
Removing the last of Rodney’s dignity would have been churlish and IMO unnecessary, now will someone convince Bill English that he is yesterdays fish and chip wrapper and get him to go quietly, wait on the platform with all his baggage, for the November express and leave the next three years to the big boys.
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May 3, 2011 3:04pm
RightNow

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/4955195/Now-you-can-kiss-people-over-the-internet

“Now you can kiss people over the internet” or for those more adventurous there’s no rule saying you have to stick it in your mouth.
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May 3, 2011 3:19pm
Centreback

Do you honestly believe Bin Laden was buried at Sea ?
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May 3, 2011 3:42pm
dime

a tornado just went past me! it was about 300 metres in front of me. like a big black cloud with a heap of swirling debris. full on!

cars flipped upside down etc
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May 3, 2011 3:53pm
Manolo

The right words from Key on yellow and traitorous journalism:

PM attacks journalist over SAS torture claims

Prime Minister John Key has attacked the credibility of the journalist who has raised questions about New Zealand’s elite soldiers in Afghanistan and whether they were complicit in torture.

And the Defence Force has released unprecedented details about SAS operations in a bid to discredit an article in this month’s Metro, written by journalist Jon Stephenson. Mr Key said the assertions outlined in Metro did not stack up under the NZDF microscope.

“I’ve got no reason for NZDF to be lying, and I’ve found [Stephenson] myself personally not to be credible,” Mr Key said. “Jon Stephenson’s a guy that texted me one night impersonating Duncan Garner … I hung up on him, because when people impersonate somebody else, I don’t take them seriously.”
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May 3, 2011 4:07pm
Rick Rowling

Tornado in Auckland!

We must be due a global warming thread!

/Please no.
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May 3, 2011 4:13pm
dime

global warning? or allah punishing us for osamas death? :O
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May 3, 2011 4:23pm
alex Masterley

Yup,
Twister fun on the north shore.
The vid’s are pretty impressive as is some of the commentary.
Some carnage and according to one report one death.
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May 3, 2011 4:34pm
Sam Buchanan

Put this on FrogBlog, but you guy’s will probably find it funny as well – our ex-PM Helen’s been visiting the mausoleum and mosque dedicated to the completely batty dictator Saparmurat Turkmenbashi.

http://content.undp.org/go/newsroom/2011/may/head-of-undp-focuses-on-turkmenistans-regional-role-during-visit.en

Let the wacky caricaturing begin!
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May 3, 2011 4:36pm
krazykiwi

From Sam’s link…

Together with EU Ambassadors, Helen Clark opened the first Human Rights Resource Centre, which aims to promote human rights in Turkmenistan and increase awareness of human rights among the population

One can only wonder at the total lack of value in this initiative given that Turkmenistan does not have freedom of religion – Former President Saparmurat Niyazov’s book of spiritual writings, the Ruhnama, is imposed on all religious communities.

Internet usage in Turkmenistan is under tight control by the government and websites run by human rights organizations and news agencies are blocked.

Hell, circuses were banned until 2008. Perhaps that’s why the UN has only been allowed in now 🙂
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May 3, 2011 4:51pm
hj

2011 Tornadoes: Is Climate Change To Blame For The Devastating Weather? [UPDATE]

Data shows a steady, overall increase in tornadoes over the last 50 years. But as for this April, the jury’s still out on whether climate change or regular old bad weather is to blame.

“Climate change? No,” said Howard Bluestein, professor of meteorology at University of Oklahoma. “This is something that happens every 10 or 20 years when everything comes together like this. This is just natural variability.”

Most meteorologists agree with Bluestein.

“Any particular years you can’t attribute to changes in global climate,” said Wurman. “If we started seeing this every year, we’d say that this is a climate change. But we’re not seeing that.” Rather than a climactic shift, he said, “this is really just bad luck.”

While the number of officially recorded tornadoes has risen dramatically, that’s primarily due to better reporting, tracking and more people, homes and infrastructures in the twisters’ paths, say researchers.

That means that small twisters — ones that do little more damage than tear the branches off trees or peel the surface off roofs and may have flow below the radar screen in the past — are now being counted. The number of serious tornadoes, on the other hand, has stayed constant, evidence that Wednesday was a rare event rather than part of a trend.

Yet some scientists say that climate change — especially the increased greenhouse gas concentrations associated with global warming — may be at least somewhat related to the formation of tornadoes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/29/tornadoes-climate-change-2011_n_855369.html
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May 3, 2011 5:20pm
jaba

Independent MP Chris Carter, who got into hot water when a Labour MP over his travel, spent $17,463 compared to $25,678 the previous quarter.

phew, good to see DISCRACED ex LABOUR MP still out and about working for his constituency
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May 3, 2011 7:10pm
Shunda barunda

Looks like the Auckland tornado was about the same size as the Greymouth tornado a few years ago, about an F2.

I can’t understand why people keep suggesting NZ “doesn’t get tornado’s” we clearly do and they are relatively frequent events, especially in Western districts.
We have had a damaging tornado on average once every two years in the Greymouth urban area, and many historic events recorded as well, I am sure Auckland has similar stats.
Yet it has only been in recent years that the metservice has started issuing tornado warnings, though I guess that could be due to a better understanding of the conditions necessary for their formation.
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May 3, 2011 7:40pm
Viking2

The New Zealand Debt Management Office (NZDMO) has confirmed it will issue the equivalent of about NZ$4,500 worth of debt for every New Zealander this financial year.

The government’s debt manager said today it was lifting the 2010/11 domestic bond programme by NZ$3.5 billion to a maximum of NZ$20 billion. This is the equivalent of around 10% of GDP.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/53260/new-zealand-debt-management-office-issue-nz20b-or-nz4500-debt-person-financial-year
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May 3, 2011 8:33pm
Hurf Durf

Just a small sample of the average intellectual thought from the subcretins who comment on Martyn Mongbury’s website (and yes, it’s topical, it’s about bin Laden).

I will never be an apologist for mass murder or extremism or Fascism (surely Empire is a form of Fascism?), which is why I apply the same standards to the perpetrators of Imperialism, and depleted uranium and drones and torture and agent orange and Dictators in the Middle East and previously in South America as I do to the mass murderer who was killed yesterday.

Yes, OK, alright, I didn’t expect much from the far-left but you’d think that in the 21st Century they’d be a little bit more subtle with their moral equivilence.
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May 3, 2011 8:55pm
Manolo

Will it be a success here? You bet.

A 3-D porn flick from Hong Kong that beat Avatar at the box office is coming to New Zealand movie screens.

Blockbuster erotic film 3D Sex and Zen: Extreme Ecstasy is scheduled to be shown in Auckland’s Hoyts’ Sylvia Park and Botany Downs cinemas, although it has not yet been classified by the Office of Film and Literature Classification. The film is based on the ancient novel (written by Li Yu in 1657) The Carnal Prayer Mat, which was adapted into a 1991 film.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/4957976/Blue-movie-beats-blue-aliens-in-3-D
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