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Jimbob

Another day in paradise.
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May 28, 2011 8:25am
edhunter

They call it paradise, I don’t why, you call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye.
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May 28, 2011 8:34am
lilman

has anyone seen my car keys?
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May 28, 2011 8:44am
Ender

lilman, I have them.
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May 28, 2011 8:46am
ciaron

Stunning day in Christchurch and I’m stuck at work.

Bugger.
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May 28, 2011 8:56am
Ender

Oh my god. Trevor is still trying to beat up the Paul Quinn/Back Benches thing over at Red Alert.

Some of Labour’s MPs behaviour is becoming truly bizarre
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May 28, 2011 9:13am
Simon

Chinese economy is starting to crash. There are already reports of food riots. When the Chinese economy finally tips over it will take out NZ big time. The question is whether the Chinese crash and burn before or after the election.

After the Chinese burn and extremist crap from Labor will get worse. Though I doubt National will be able to hold the country together.

If you have debt now try and get rid of it ASAP. Sell assets now if you have too. Asset prices in NZ are going to crash.
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May 28, 2011 9:16am
Ender

What is your post based on Simon??
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May 28, 2011 9:33am
hj

The Land Crisis .. Neville Bennett

Excerpt:
A useful quote comes from Thomas Jefferson, one of the drafters of the American constitution

Another means of silently lessening the inequality of [landed] property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. — Thomas Jefferson

I think a case could be made for a light tax on rent: the great earlier economists believed so.

Ground rents are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own. Ground rents are, therefore, perhaps a species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them. — Adam Smith

With the editors indulgence, I will write further on land in economic theory to stimulate debate on our predicament. I will particularly address the thought of the great John Stuart Mill who said:

“When the sacredness of property is talked of, it should always be remembered that any such sacredness does not belong in the same degree to landed property. No man made the land: it is the inheritance of the whole species.”

But I think we need to go further and increase community control of land. My text will be from J.S.Mill:

“The land of Ireland, the land of every country, belongs to the people of that country.”

http://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/53668/opinion-land-crisis
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May 28, 2011 9:41am
hj

Wall Street Journal:

“Heavy oil, which can be as thick as molasses, is harder to get out of the ground than light oil and costs more to refine into gasoline. Nevertheless, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait have embarked on an ambitious experiment to coax it out of the Wafra oil field, located in a sparsely populated expanse of desert shared by the two nations.

That the Saudis are even considering such a project shows how difficult and costly it is becoming to slake the world’s thirst for oil. It also suggests that even the Saudis may not be able to boost production quickly in the future if demand rises unexpectedly. Neither issue bodes well for the return of cheap oil over the long term.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704436004576299421455133398-lMyQjAxMTAxMDIwNDEyNDQyWj.html
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May 28, 2011 9:48am
Rufus

@Ciaron 8:56

Stunning day in Christchurch, and I wish I had work.

Bugger.
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May 28, 2011 9:49am
side show bob

As I’m part time Catholic I’m finding the cap between my beliefs and the church getting wider. Seems to me the church has been hijacked by the left and as such is losing it’s way. What the fuck is the Auckland Catholic Justice and the Catholic social justice agent Cartas protesting the budget for. Sounds to me like something out of the progressive play book. I realise they are no longer supporting this protest because of radical factions threatening to flour bomb games at the world cup, plenty of caring and sharing there. They claim to be championing the cause for the poor and downtrodden, pigs arse. I’m all for looking after those that can’t help themselves but the church should be apolitical or neutral.
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May 28, 2011 9:52am
ciaron

@ Rufus

Yep. Whats your profession?
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May 28, 2011 10:00am
hj

side show bob (3,201).

and amnesty international is complaining because maori aren’t allowed exclusive use of the foreshore and seabed if they get customary title.
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May 28, 2011 10:00am
side show bob

No surprise hj, it’s a creeping disease, progressive thought, socialism, communism, dressed up as good deeds.
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May 28, 2011 10:28am
wat dabney

“Seems to me the church has been hijacked by the left”

Very much so.

You’d think that “thou shalt not steal” would be quite clear cut; no wriggle room there. Yet it turns out that by simply relabelling such forcible appropriation as “redistribution” it suddenly becomes okay.

Thus stealing becomes official church policy.
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May 28, 2011 10:46am
Elaycee

Jeez – I see a ‘prominent political figure’ and his ex wife have been in Court (both parties represented by a QC) to discuss….. custody of their dogs! I thought this was something usually consigned as ‘only in America’ but no, its happened here in NZ.

I also note the ‘strict’ suppression of all details. I’ll give it a week before we see a reference to this ‘prominent political figure’ and some oblique reference to him ‘going to the dogs’ or similar…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10728609
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May 28, 2011 11:22am
reid

Snap Elaycee.

Have to say, don’t understand the rationale for name suppression here.

I’d quite like to know which senior politician is so insecure the family dogs wind up at the centre of an expensive legal battle.

Not real impressed with the judgement that person has shown.
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May 28, 2011 12:44pm
Johnboy

What’s happened to my beloved Penny Elaycee?

I hope she hasn’t topped herself before I can plight my troth? 🙂
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May 28, 2011 12:44pm
Murray

Ok who was that 13 year old girl I saw on TV1 last night who was pissed off with bullying? Apprently she has a plan, her school turned her down and shes been to see John Key.

Apprently the school are in a position of not liking a 13 year old tell them how to do their business but given the outright thuggery and open violence of our society today I want to know what she had come up with. that didn’t seem to be a feature of the itnerview, just setting up John Key to accuse him of ignoring her later on. not thatany member of the media has come up with any workable options themselves.
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May 28, 2011 12:46pm
Johnboy

You watch TV1 Murray?

Time you got a life! 🙂
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May 28, 2011 12:54pm
Murray

I was channel skipping as is my right as a male Johnboy.

If god had not intended us to press the buttons on the remote he would not have given us so many.
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May 28, 2011 12:59pm
nasska

Murray

There’s a written report on her visit on the TVNZ website. As to be expected from a teenage kid her idea involved having everyone sitting in a circle & explaining their feelings & emotions.

I can understand the headmaster being less than enthused & I’m buggered if I know what JK will do with the idea but good on her for having the guts to give it a go.
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May 28, 2011 1:03pm
Johnboy

Sorry Murray. 🙂

Shit I hope you are not that fat ugly brown bastard that holds his breath on the Sky ad?

I feel so sorry for his poor blond missus.

I guess it is Sky’s attempt to promote racial harmony perhaps?

Come in Grumpy! 🙂
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May 28, 2011 1:05pm
Elaycee

@ Johnboy 12.44pm says : “What’s happened to my beloved Penny, Elaycee? I hope she hasn’t topped herself before I can plight my troth?”

Merde!

Apart from a suggestion she made in GD last night that getting 5% of the vote is somehow a success, I don’t think PB has had time to lick her wounds. Rumour has it that she’s with her comrades ‘protesting’ in Queen St Auckland – along with the rest of Minto’s rent a mob.

I guess that just adds weight to the old saying about being judged by the company we keep…
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May 28, 2011 1:08pm
Johnboy

Thank God for that Elaycee.

I’m just about to head out to the shed to clean up a couple of Grandpaws rusty old crowbars that I am preparing as part of her wedding present.
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May 28, 2011 1:09pm
Murray

nasska thats pretty much about what I expected. Its not a good idea but at least its an idea. She may be on to something with the idea that some form of comunal response has potential to have an impact. If a bully were put into a situation where they discovered that what they were doing did have an impact and that a LOT of people were pissed off with them it wouldn’t hurt. Also if the people who were victims discovered that they were not aalone they might be more inclined not to take the busslies crap.

If everyone who decided to push other people around found themselves beign faced down by ten other people people bullying would end over night. Hell we had 3 fifteen year olds make the mongrel mob turn and run last week. sure she hasn;t got a silver bullet , shes a bright 13 year old but she is still only 13. I think making an concerted effort of some kind is worth a crack at this stage. Either that or we admit defeat and and start on the script of how the west won and the man sho shot liberty vallance II with modern day NZ as the setting because we’re in some crap here.
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May 28, 2011 1:23pm
Elaycee

Actually, Johnboy, I think she’s now looking for some sympathy because she now writes about ‘nasty’ and ‘mean spirited’ posters. But now you mention it, you may just be be the shoulder of support she craves.

What attributes do you think you could bring to such an ‘arrangement’?

What do you seek in return?
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May 28, 2011 1:24pm
nasska

Murray

Guess my natural cynicism involving anything to do with emotions & feelgood claptrap blinds me to the possibilities. The idea may have merit but as usual the problem would be getting the perpetrators of the bullying on board. The kids being bullied would be all for it but how would you reach the target audience?
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May 28, 2011 1:34pm
Johnboy

I cannot divulge these secrets to you Elaycee, suffice to say that my ewe handling skills are unsurpassed and that I seek an accomplished knitter.

All else must wait until the lovely Penny has recovered from her upsetting experience and deigns to join us here. 🙂
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May 28, 2011 1:37pm
nasska

Elaycee

Johnboy is just an old softy. He has already offered a well fenced housepaddock, regular drenching, stylish crutching & regular checks for footrot.

Not to mention the dowry.
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May 28, 2011 1:38pm
Johnboy

Mind your own bloody business nasska!

She has to pay the dowry.

That’s what the crowbars are for! 🙂
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May 28, 2011 1:41pm
Yvette

Johnboy, what’s … blight my troth? 🙂 I thought you had done that.

Murray
If god had not intended us to press the buttons on the remote he would not have given us so many. He gave us more buttons than you

and
that fat ugly brown bastard that holds his breath on the Sky ad
Why are the men in both their multi-room whatever ads trou d’merde, and brown ones [ 🙂 ] at that?
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May 28, 2011 1:45pm
Murray

nasska the question is valid the answer obvious. They’re not GIVEN a choice.

the essence of any program that wants to be successful is that bullies have a bad time of it.
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May 28, 2011 1:50pm
Elaycee

@ Johnboy – PB might still be at the park at the top of Queens St – I think there was a rendition of ‘Kumbaya’ scheduled – with PB on trumpet, Bradford on knuckles and Minto on loudhailer.

But I can see you’re smitten. [Cough] [Splutter]
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May 28, 2011 1:54pm
Johnboy

I’ve got to go now and give the crowbars another coat of paint. 🙂
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May 28, 2011 1:56pm
Yvette

Black would be best, Johnboy
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May 28, 2011 2:02pm
nasska

Murray

Compulsion is the only way it could work. For what it’s worth I agree that anything is better than the status quo. What we are now producing are kids too scared to take advantage of the education offered & bullies who go on to terrorise the rest of society comfortable in the knowledge that their way works & accountability is only a concept.
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May 28, 2011 2:08pm
Elaycee

Johnboy – Did you manage to find a horseshoe? Or is it a case of “bring your own?”
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May 28, 2011 2:09pm
Murray

Minto should be barred.
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May 28, 2011 2:18pm
Elaycee

Jeez – I see from the TVNZ site (couldn’t find any references elsewhere) that the much publicised ‘protest’ went ahead today on Queen Street, Auckland.

Despite the fact that the ‘story’ was carried widely in advance by TVNZ / TV3 / Radio NZ and in the print media that this was happening, I note that “around 100 people” took part.

AROUND 100 PEOPLE! What a joke. There were more people laughing at them from the footpaths!

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/auckland-protest-against-budget-cuts-4191763
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May 28, 2011 2:25pm
Murray

Well we agree we need to do something nasska, the girls got a plan, only half the donkey is there but its a starting point.
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May 28, 2011 2:26pm
Courage Wolf

Banks confirmed as Epsom candidate
By Audrey Young
2:08 PM Saturday May 28, 2011

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Former Auckland Mayor John Banks was confirmed by the Act board this morning as Act’s candidate for Epsom in the November election.

The announcement was made at a press conference this afternoon in Newmarket, Auckland.

Mr Banks was favoured by new leader Don Brash, who last month ousted former leader and sitting Epsom MP Rodney Hide in a very public coup.

Mr Banks is a former National Party MP and cabinet minister. He, like Dr Brash, only recently joined Act – on May 18.

Act’s polling has improved since Dr Brash’s leadership bid, with a recent poll showing the party would pass the 5 per cent threshold to get into Parliament.
By Audrey Young | Email Audrey

Is anyone aware of what poll Audrey is referring to? As far as I’m aware the two recent polls have shown ACT at 2% and 1.7%.
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May 28, 2011 2:26pm
Viking2

On their wedding night, the young bride approached her new husband and
asked for $20.00 for their first lovemaking encounter. In his highly
aroused state, her husband readily agreed.

This scenario was repeated each time they made love, for more than 30 years, with him thinking that it
was acute way for her to afford new clothes and other incidentals that she needed.

Arriving home around noon one day, she was surprised to find her
husband in a very drunken state. During the next few minutes, he explained that his
employer was going through a process of corporate downsizing, and he had
been let go. It was unlikely that, at the age of 59, he’d be able to find
another position that paid anywhere near what he’d been earning, and
therefore, they were financially ruined.

Calmly, his wife handed him a bank book which showed more than thirty
years of steady deposits and interest totalling nearly$1 million… Then she
showed him certificates of deposits issued by the bank which were worth
over $2 Million, and informed him that they were one of the largest
depositors in the bank.

She explained that for the more than three decades she had ‘charged’ him
for sex, these holdings had multiplied and these were the results of her
savings and investments.

Faced with evidence of cash and investments worth over $3 million, her
husband was so astounded he could barely speak, but finally he found his
voice and blurted out, ‘If I’d had any idea what you were doing, I would
have given you all my business!’

That’s when she shot him.

You know, sometimes, men just don’t know when to keep their mouths shut.
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May 28, 2011 2:45pm
wat dabney

‘Spokesperson Meredydd Barrar said the Budget cuts would “condemn the majority of New Zealanders to relative poverty is not acceptable”.‘

Note the word “relative.”

So, not actual poverty then, Meredydd?

Penny and her mates are just the usual narcissistic thugs who conceal their coercive (and often self-serving) policies behind a smokescreen of piety.
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May 28, 2011 2:48pm
Rex Widerstrom

Murray says:

Well we agree we need to do something nasska, the girls got a plan, only half the donkey is there but its a starting point.

Yep, what the girl is proposing is essentially Restorative Justice, something practised as a discipline by professionals in the UK who count amongst their clients several police forces. They even have a proven, research-backed program for schools.

So the Principal should get off his high horse and realise NZ (and Australia) are trailing the Western world in this approach, and that his student is light years ahead of him in suggesting an approach that works – even if she’s relying on instinct and hasn’t got it quite right.
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May 28, 2011 3:27pm
nasska

Rex

Very interesting links thanks & quite an eye opener as to how effective the concept could be. Introduced at primary school level I can see how it would develop & quite possibly nip the problem in the bud.

I am less convinced that it would meet with such success at secondary schools because of ingrained attitudes & predetermined levels of empathy amongst teenage bullies.
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May 28, 2011 4:00pm
Manolo

We don’t need people like these. Instead, NZ needs more Somali refugees.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5067699/Kiwi-dream-ditched
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May 28, 2011 4:17pm
Sofia

Union threatens Pike River blacklist
Miners around the world could blacklist the Pike River coal mine if receivers go ahead with a sale without a body recovery plan, the union which represents New Zealand miners has warned.
The Engineering, Printing and Manufacturing Union (EPMU) delivered the “sharp message” to receivers PricewaterhouseCoopers on Monday, EPMU national secretary Andrew Little told the Greymouth Star.
If the mine was sold and the receivers or the buyers did not have a plan to recover the 29 men, who were killed in an explosion in November last year, coal miners around the world would most likely react by saying “Pike River is not a mine we will work on”, Mr Little said

– http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/pike-river-mine-disaster/5068978/Union-threatens-Pike-River-blacklist
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May 28, 2011 4:37pm
reid

There was a really good interview from one of the fathers on Mary Wilson’s National Radio show Thursday I think, saying they should tell DOC to fuck off and open cast it. I quite agree.
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May 28, 2011 4:46pm
Johnboy

“Miners around the world could blacklist the Pike River coal mine ”

I bet we could get all the miners we ever want from China seeing we are their flavour of the month and the conditions here are much safer and better paid than at home.

Little Handy Andy would have to bone up on his Mandarin next time he wanted to ask the comrades to go on strike.
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May 28, 2011 5:07pm
Johnboy

Here is a bit of a laugh.

http://blog.labour.org.nz/index.php/2011/05/28/penguin-campaign-cover/#respond

Keep it up Davy you and Whale have both got Trev on the ropes. 🙂
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May 28, 2011 6:11pm
Rufus

@ Ciaron

Chef. Lost my job as a result of business dropping away after the quake. Now retraining to make better use of my brain! Had part-time work sorted, but also lost that!

Agree it was a very nice day today.
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May 28, 2011 6:24pm
Rufus

Phil is such a lying tosser.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/5069415/Goff-queries-underclass-about-Nationals-track-record

Goff said he visited the residents because it was part of his electorate.

”We’re talking to people about the cost of living and how’s that affected them and whether they feel better off,” he said.

”John Key said he was going to do something about the ‘underclass’ but all he’s done is lift the income of the people’s at the top while lower income people have found their income slip behind the cost of living.”

= Not true.

Goff said he could make life easier for residents by raising the minimum wage to $15 per hour and cutting GST from fruit and vegetables if he was elected.

”I can’t promise a lot this time because this Government has turned a surplus into a $16.7 billion deficit which means it will take time to make things right.”

He can’t promise much because there simply isn’t much to go around. His government spent it all during the biggest boom we’ve had in a generation.

The kitty was empty. Bare.

Oh, and did the current govt. set out to get into a HUGE deficit like Goff is claiming?! Does he not realise we’re at the tail-end of a world-wide recession the likes of which we haven’t seen since the 1930s?

He’s right though to claim it will take time to make things right.

The cheek of the guy. Does he really, really believe what he’s saying, or does he secretly know why this situation has come about, and is just saying whatever will get him the votes.?!

LYING TOSSER.
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May 28, 2011 6:33pm
nasska

Three old men are discussing their sex lives.

The Italian man says, “Last week, my wife and
I had great sex. I rubbed her body all over with
olive oil, we made passionate love, and she
screamed for 5 minutes at the end.”

The Frenchman boasts, “Last week when my
wife and I had sex, I rubbed her body all over
with butter. We then made passionate love and
she screamed for 15 minutes.”

The old Maori man says, “Well, last week my wife
and I had sex too. I rubbed her body all over with
mutton bird fat, we made love, and she screamed for 6 hours.”

The Italian and Frenchman were stunned.

They replied, “What could you have possibly done
to make your wife scream for 6 hours?”

“I wiped my hands on the drapes.”
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May 28, 2011 8:18pm
Viking2

Tracking devices mean stolen laptops aren’t a lost cause
Melissa Bell
May 28, 2011

Man kissing laptop.

Reunited … rescue programs are helping to find stolen computers.

THIS month, Sean Power, a Canadian writer, lost his computer in New York. Rather than rage in frustration and then hurry over to the Apple Store to buy a new laptop, Mr Power waited.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/tracking-devices-mean-stolen-laptops-arent-a-lost-cause-20110527-1f8d8.html#ixzz1NdsuSZEA
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