General Debate 25 May 2011

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Whafe

I am stunned by the number of Twitters Trevor Mallard can poke out in a day……
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May 25, 2011 8:07am
Michaels

Was very pleased to hear this morning that Damion O’Conner believes Phil Goff is wrong in regards to food prices increasing if they introduce their bill.
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May 25, 2011 8:09am
lofty

Whafe, thats what twits do best.
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May 25, 2011 8:11am
Bobbie black

I really don’t get Twitter.

It would never work with me, I would be getting sued or arrested too much.

This would be me at about three am,

“You *****. *******. *********! **********!? Huh you ********!?”

“I’m gonna *********!”

Someone would screenshot it and then I would be done.

I feel for Charlie Sheen.
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May 25, 2011 8:14am
KH

I’m listening to people saying that it is a problem that farmers might now pay down debt rather than spend spend spend all their increased income. Crazy talk.
Surely if we build strong cashed up family businesses, then we will all be better off in the long run.
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May 25, 2011 8:15am
Whafe

KH, I guess this is the issue when many media commentators strongly believe that farmers are rolling in it….

Am not a dairy farmer, but am a farmer of vegetables. So feel I can comment, it is nothing like the media portray….
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May 25, 2011 8:20am
flipper

KH ….
Mostly they would be the pollies (and their lap dogs) who believe they know best how to spend another’s income
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May 25, 2011 8:21am
Whafe

I found this to be a good read… http://www.roy.org.nz/diary/economic-simulation

Anything that gets the government out of my life is GREAT
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May 25, 2011 8:24am
Elaycee

Jeez – Martin Devlin sure knows how to maintain a poor public ‘image’.

Not too many moons after he created another scene in downtown Auckland (and received diversion for his troubles), we now have this latest demonstration of total petulance that resulted in the Police taking him off an aircraft as soon as it landed.

What a right plonker. His ‘don’t you know who I am?’ attitude is pathetic. He must be a serious embarrassment for his employers.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10727845
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May 25, 2011 8:26am
Bobbie black

@Elaycee

What a wanker.

He was no doubt still pissed from the night before.

I am surprised he didn’t go, “You know who I am!!? I was on that show a game of two halves with Mathew Ridge and Marc Ellis!”

Yeah we know you were Martin, now move on or next time the car won’t stop.
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May 25, 2011 8:30am
Puzzled in Ekatahuna

The road toll is at its lowest in more than 30 years – and high fuel prices are partly responsible.
This year, 112 people have died on the roads, – down 36 per cent on the same time last year when 175 people had died.
The road toll has not been as low at this time of the year since transport authorities began keeping year-to-date figures in 1980.
Commentators believe a combination of high petrol prices, better driver behaviour and safety campaigns have contributed.
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“The toll’s been tracking down since October last year. There were record lows until April, when … there was only one over the record low that was recorded in 2002.”
Ms Rose said police analysis had found a link between petrol prices and the road toll, as the higher prices made motorists drive more cautiously.
“The research tells us drivers who drive with attention on fuel consumption are more attentive and safer drivers all round.”
– http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10727848

So why keep showing us the two guys crash the ute [“Get him off me”] or denigrating the image of men with that stupid shit about “Mates” or that banal agency special effects wank on “Mantrol”
And where is anything that reinforces the idea of more careful driving saving fuel, if that indeed is the contributing factor to the lower toll?
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May 25, 2011 8:33am
berend

So, government spending up by 24% over the last four years.

Blame Labour. Not John Key. He’s taking the country in the only direction the voters will let him: borrowing $380 million a week.

And besides, National has tinkerbill who sprinkles the magic dust of economic growth, at least on the budget. Not much might fall on the real economy, but who cares?

We all love John Key!
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May 25, 2011 8:42am
Manolo

More crap from a New Zealand “celebrity”. Ah, the imbeciles!
http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10727845&ref=rss

Sorry, I just noticed Elaycee has posted on the same topic. Apologies for the duplication.
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May 25, 2011 8:42am
Bobbie black

One of the organisers of the gala dinner, David Higgins, said: “Martin voluntarily stood down so the focus could be on the charity and the speakers. Good on him.”

Puke.

Hey Martin, here’s a head’s up, you are drunken has been no-body who at the age of 46 cannot handle his piss anymore.

OK that show was nice and popular in “New Zealand” before most of the “team” got arrested for one reason or another.
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May 25, 2011 8:43am
Bobbie black

“Brent Todd was on it too! Tell me you know Brent Todd! The legend of Kiwi league!”

Can you imagine the patheticness?
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May 25, 2011 8:47am
Murray

New Zealand celebrity is an oxymoron. This one more moronic than average.

Any real New Zealand celebrity can be identified by being known in the US as an Australian.
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May 25, 2011 8:52am
Bobbie black

Maybe we can get good ol marty to come on here and post a reply.

Vanity and all that.
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May 25, 2011 9:01am
Elaycee

Heard an interview this morning on NewstalkZB when the Labour’s Damien O’Connor actually accepted that the ETS would increase the cost of products including milk, cheese, yoghurt etc, because not only the farmers would have increased costs (that would be passed on) but so too the distributors – delivery costs to the supermarkets would increase and they would be passed on too. The end result = increased prices. Duh.

I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the Labour caucus this morning….. Goof will not be happy…
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May 25, 2011 9:01am
Rick Rowling

Too many tweets might make a twat.

/David Cameron
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May 25, 2011 9:05am
Murray

Idle hands etc.
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May 25, 2011 9:07am
Bobbie black

“I’m Martin Devlin, squeak, and you guys have it all wrong…my career is the best it ever was, squeak, and those air-hostesses were just foggy, I am famous, I was on a show with…um, Mathew Ridge, the only one not arrested…squeak, or was he? Um, oh jees, you guys help me, who wasn’t arrested from that show…Mike King, no hang on there was the pig thing…um, OK I’m going with Mathew Ridge!”

“Um do I get to go back on that show again? That game of two halves? It reall made my career and I mean that most sincerely…by the way, which one’s pink?”
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May 25, 2011 9:15am
tom hunter

If anybody who makes any real money or builds any real wealth in this country, wants to understand what is headed their way in 2014 or 2017 they need to look at this thread in the Dim Post – Now THAT’S wedge politics

The degree of class warfare rhetoric and hatred is almost beyond belief, given that it’s 2011. But it also should be required reading for any National Party member. These people acknowledge the uselessness of the ETS, but demand it be pushed as far as possible anyway.

If the ETS is left in place for the 2014 election it will be like WFF, a tool that can be used as “wedge politics” while benefiting the country not one bit. Once enacted it was inevitable that the argument could pivot to “you’re not paying your share”, a debate that is always a political winner as the original claims – still highly contentious and now made more obsolete than ever by real world events and the actions of other nations – are implicitly forgotten.

As for the sole farmer arguing on that thread – graham lowe – my suggestion is that you stop wasting time arguing with people who utterly despise you, build your wealth as fast as possible in paying down your huge debt load, and get ready to run in 2015 or 2018.
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May 25, 2011 9:35am
dime

I feel for Devlin, he was on a jetstar flight and they are always hard work. some sky waitress (who shouldve been replaced by a vending machine years ago) probably over reacted.

i guess hes lucky he didnt get punched out? isnt that how jetstar staff roll? 😛
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May 25, 2011 9:55am
side show bob

Tom, and some around here get on their high horses when farmers do all they can to avoid tax, is it any wonder. Still there will be those that firmly believe that you can take and take without repercussions. New Zealand has been spending other peoples money with gay abandon and look at the mess it’s in now. Stealing more and more of other peoples wealth will simply worsen the situation, surely it must be clear to the all but very stupid these policies don’t work. I believe as far as farming goes there will come a point when we fight back, perhaps a tax strike, bit hard to round up thousands of farmers and very costly to the state. We all belong to a cooperative, perhaps it’s time we start looking at just what can be done to fight these bastards.
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May 25, 2011 10:01am
kiwi in america

Just watched Netanyahu’s speech to Congress. He knocked it out of the park! Full video and text at http://www.therightscoop.com/benjamin-netanyahus-epic-speech-before-congress/

Money quote “When we say never again we MEAN never again”. If Bibi ran for the GOP nomination, he’d win it in a heartbeat!
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May 25, 2011 10:08am
3-coil

World famous movie director Tiaka Waititi has now waded into the “Wellywood” sign debate – bleating about lack of originality, NZ creativity blah blah.

Perhaps Taika hopes everyone has forgotten his own plagiarism – the Phoenix Foundation video (“40 Years”) he directed in 2009 which totally ripped off the main ideas from Thomas Coffey’s music video (shot 4 years earlier). Taika seems to require higher standards of originality and accountability than apply to him.

Who will be next – Witi Ihimara demanding the sign is stopped? 🙂
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May 25, 2011 10:32am
tom hunter

Stealing more and more of other peoples wealth will simply worsen the situation, surely it must be clear to the all but very stupid these policies don’t work.

If it’s not clear to them by now it never will be. But you’re making the mistake of thinking that their “policies” are actually intended to make the world and its peoples a better place. Even for those leftists who still believe that, there is simply the assumption that more government ideas, projects, rules and regulations will lead to better lives. The opposite possibility is not even considered and is a subject fit only for mockery.

So even for those Leftists these policies are first and foremost designed to gain political power via wedge politics, and then to extend and consolidate the reach of government power permanently. Once that’s accomplished it’s axiomatic that it will lead to good things for society. As for the likes of haters like Sanctuary, the whole point of the policies is simply power and to hell with the consequences, foreseen and otherwise.

I believe as far as farming goes there will come a point when we fight back, perhaps a tax strike, bit hard to round up thousands of farmers and very costly to the state.

This is what I mean when I say that you’re wasting your time trying to combat this stuff on a rational or utilitarian basis. Read the thread: it’s quite clear that they don’t want NZ to have such a significant dairy industry. The ultimate “tax strike” would be us converting to other types of farming – and that’s exactly what they want.

We all belong to a cooperative, perhaps it’s time we start looking at just what can be done to fight these bastards.

I hate to tell you this but all the blathering of the left about vast, powerful corporations is simply their own “enemy” fantasy required to drive the troops on. In reality big corporations like Fonterra run like scalded dogs from such confrontations as they regard the PR battles as unwinnable.

I have not yet tracked it down but there was a book published several years ago on this subject. The author related numerous stories along these lines: one was about his early days as a young lawyer working for GM in the 1960’s/70’s. Some small group produced a classic hit piece on GM about it’s cars: this young lawyer argued that they had so many facts wrong, so little evidence on their side, that it would be an easy win in court. But he was over-ruled by the legal department, who felt it was more cost-effective to simply buy the groups silence, allow the “controversy” to die in the media, and move on. They did this repeatedly.

His argument was that such approaches built up over time until GM had no comeback to even the nuttiest crap said about it: if they did demure their own past “admissions” were hauled out for review – and they had no answer to that.

I predict Fonterra will go the same way.
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May 25, 2011 10:33am
Elaycee

3-coil says : “Who will be next – Witi Ihimara demanding the sign is stopped?”

Or maybe Noelle McCarthy?
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May 25, 2011 10:40am
mawm

Kiwi in America – Just watched Netanyahu’s speech to Congress.

I’d say that Bibi has just given Obama a kick in the nuts……..and Congress gave him a standing ovation for doing so.
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May 25, 2011 11:00am
bearhunter

Elaycee: If Noelle McCarthy comes out against the sign then I’ll be in an invidious position. I can’t abide the very idea of the Wellywood sign, but equally I can’t be on the same side as that drawling Cork heifer…
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May 25, 2011 11:09am
Fisiani

If the people vote Labour we will get a TALL POPPY TAX
Success will be chopped down.
Advancement will be chopped down
Progress will be chopped down.
Watch out for Labour Bribes, Ludicrous underestimates of costs, and lies.
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May 25, 2011 11:11am
dime

The Windows Phone update looks awesome. Due out in a few months.

Windows Phone will win the phone wars. Im calling it now.
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May 25, 2011 11:13am
kiwi in america

mawm
He sure did and Congress’ biartisan reaction was a real slap in Obama’s face.
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May 25, 2011 11:16am
reid

Congress’ biartisan reaction was a real slap in Obama’s face.

Gee I wonder if AIPAC had anything to do with that, or perhaps it was all just a spontaneous outbreak of heartfelt emotion?
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May 25, 2011 11:26am
cha

How’s that Rand Paul, all class.
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May 25, 2011 11:46am
AlphaKiwi

@ Dime

Are you going to get Doug Stanhope’s latest album? 🙂
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May 25, 2011 11:59am
thedavincimode

“bit hard to round up thousands of farmers and very costly to the state. ”

Likely more costly to farmers bob with interest, penalties and forced farm sales. I expect IRD might even spice the pot by running arguments about filing nil positions or even evasion. In the circs, where farmers were effectively electing out of the system, IRD might even be onto something. That would get rather more expensive and the letters you would be getting from them wouldn’t make pleasant reading over the breakfast table. Along the way, expect them to comandeer your bank accounts.

No, if it all comes to pass I think the best course of action would be to just tell Goff he’s a cunt to his face. Don’t hold back on the phlegm either.
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May 25, 2011 12:27pm
thedavincimode

Is it just me? Have we just had too much fun in the last couple of months – are we coming off a comedy adrenalin high – what with the exercise ball incident, Gaffeys serial fiascos now just the norm, Hone bin Anassol? Our host struggling for content to keep us all amused?

Bored bored bored.
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May 25, 2011 12:33pm
Elaycee

Not for the squeamish (and best not read this whilst you’re having lunch)…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/5052611/Truckie-blown-up-from-buttock-in-freak-accident
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May 25, 2011 12:44pm
Viking2

The give me generation.
Single, earn 130000 plus perks and moan because they can’t afford a house. These beneficiaries have done all their oe’s etc and still expect they should be able to buy a house in the middle of Auckland after wasting their money rather than saving like the rest of us, most on way less money than them
Spoilt brats.
http://www.3news.co.nz/Fixing-Aucklands-housing-problem/tabid/367/articleID/212459/Default.aspx
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May 25, 2011 7:18pm
Viking2

This is worth a read with a good graph.

Who is paying the $21 billion of individual PAYE
Posted in News May 24, 2011 – 08:19pm, David Chaston

By David Chaston

Information from the Budget shows how the tax burden is shared and how ‘progressive’ the tax system is.

Data released with Budget 2011 reveals that those on annual incomes of $100,000 and more – at least, those who declare their income at this level – will be paying 30% of all PAYE taxes in 2011/12, the highest share that this group has ever paid.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/53585/who-paying-21-billion-individual-paye
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May 25, 2011 7:32pm
Pete George

Bored bored bored.

See how many screens it takes to work out which brilliant party strategists are behind this http://lets-not.co.nz/
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May 25, 2011 8:54pm
Pauleastbay

Pete

Wrinkle Stiltskin, I like it.

Who is Chris Flatt when he is not stealing ” Choppers” intellectual property
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May 25, 2011 8:57pm
thedavincimode

Errr … one???

They never had a chance – the colour coding.
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May 25, 2011 8:58pm
Hurf Durf

As if we ever need any more evidence that Devlin is a mug.

Speaking of mugs, a certain Sun God got the year wrong in a guestbook. He still thinks it’s 2008, LOL. Wouldn’t be surprised though, I haven’t seen this much fawning since the bad old days. Sort it out, Yurp.
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May 25, 2011 10:07pm
emmess

Regading the pathetic Lets Not campaign
I would have thought they’d love a coal fired power station to be taken away in the name of fighting ‘climate change’
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