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Bobbie black

I have been gagging to post this since Friday night.

Here goes:

Just then a very long white car pulled up. On the front of the car were three words, BMW.

In the car there was a very jovial man and a funny short, nearly bald looking old man.

The jovial man leaned out the window.

“Hullu fellu Nuzulunders. We are luckin for Taronui Beach. Which way us it?”

“YOU people can’t go there,” said hateful Honer.

“Srry?” asked the jovial man.

“You people! You white MOFOs!” replied hateful Honer.

“Excus me! I am the Prum Minster of this cuntry,” rupllddd the juvial mun..

“It’s HIM!” said Phool, then he fainted crashing to the ground…allowing a sneaky man called David to drag him away and fill his place.

“No you’re not!” replied hateful Honer.

“Yus-I-mm,” replied the jovial man.

“What did you say?” asked hateful Honer.

“Let me handle this John,” said the nearly bald man.

“Now look here, all New Zealanders are equal under the law. And we will do what we please and go where we want, unhindered by you natives.”

“F you!” shouted hateful Honer.

“Here, we have money for you,” said the old nearly bald man. “Well, chips actually. But they take them at all casinos in New Zealand and the Gold Coast.”

Honer snatched the chips eagerly.

“It’s easy cuz, just take the second right after Kerikeri,” replied Honer.

“Good job Don!” said the jovial Prum Munster. “My wife was sorright when she said we should join together! I haven’t had this much fun since Letterman!”

But after they left hateful Honer was heard to yell, “F you wite MOFOs!” indignantly.

And an eerie sulunce was heard over thukiwilund.

TO BE CONTUNED…
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May 16, 2011 8:26am
Bobbie black

Have a good day Kiwis!

I am going to have a well deserved sleep!
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May 16, 2011 8:27am
By_Election

THE MANA PARTY IS HERE

The latest Horizon Poll shows Mana it has 2.3% party vote support nationwide, while the Maori Party is on 2.1%.

http://www.horizonpoll.co.nz/page/122/act-breaks-t

A Labour led coalition with Hone or Annette winning a seat would have 46.4%, while National –Act-Maori Party –United Future 44.9%.

Maori Party support shall be vital for Mr Key in the General Election. However the need for Act to get votes will impact on votes for the Maori Party, with Mana benefiting, and we may even more United Future voters flow as well.

Pita Sharples has indicated he would work with Brash, silly move now line can be run;

A vote for the Maori Party is a Vote for Act – not a good look for the Maori Party.

The leading candidate for the Maori Party now seems to be Pita Tipene Chairperson of the Ngati Hine Forestry Trust, he is from Ngati Hine.

At best any Maori Party candidate would end up at around10%. Kelvin from Labour at most would sit around 30%, while Hone and Mana would at least be around the 60% mark in the June 25 By Election.

The Maori Party is politically mortally wounded in the North, and shall become of no electoral relevance in the North.

When you stand Hone against Kelvin, Hone and Mana win hands down with the Maori Party candidate performing extremely badly.

The Northern Advocate Newspaper ran an online poll yesterday, it had120 votes.

Hone Mana Party 77%
Kelvin Labour Party 18%
Maori Party Candadiate 5%

The newspaper also under took a street poll through Northland. Mr Brown said “he had not voted in the 2008 general election, but had since grown to admire Mr Harawira”, Ms Mare 63 said she voted for the Maori Party in 2008 “because of Hone.”, “What he says he does,” pledging a switch to Mana. Grace Takimoana said “…I voted for Labour last time, but they haven’t got much hope with their new leader.”

In the last General Election Hone had a resounding 32% majority over Kelvin, Hone’s electorate vote grew about 10% in 2008, while the Maori Party vote decreased by 1.3%. Combine that with the Advocate poll result the trend is clear Hone has grown support while the Maori Party has lost support.

I heard there may have been around 16 at the Maori Party Waitangi hui, that should have been the story of the day. Further the president Pam Bird of the Maori Party dismisses Maori youth our future leaders. In a poll during the last election 70% of the voters in the electorate wanted the Maori Party to work with Labour, not National. Do not forget the New Zealand First backlash for going into government with National, the seats were basically wiped out.

Polling prior to the 2008 election from Maori Television poll had some interesting numbers;

Only 20.6% surveyed said Kelvin Davis could be trusted, 21.2% to deliver on his promises. When you move on to he knows the needs of local people Kevin performs badly again at 16.2%.When it comes to leadership Kevin only manages 19.2%. The survey about who has personality Kelvin scores 11.2%, while Hone scores 71.
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May 16, 2011 8:28am
rosscalverley

You are out of date. You haven’t even considered the fourth candidate.

Although you would be forgiven, all media has ignored it (Including this blog!)
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May 16, 2011 8:40am
Inventory2

@ Ross; is Penny Bright standing?
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May 16, 2011 8:41am
Manolo

Not an easy day at the office for smile and wave:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/5007806/Key-continues-to-get-flak-over-KiwiSaver
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May 16, 2011 8:43am
Whafe

The verbal shit has started already from the Pinko’s………………….. PPPffftttttttt
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May 16, 2011 8:46am
AlphaKiwi

Makes me appreciate that we live in a secular society:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10725818
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May 16, 2011 8:49am
KiwiGreg

“The Northern Advocate Newspaper ran an online poll yesterday, it had120 votes.

Hone Mana Party 77%
Kelvin Labour Party 18%
Maori Party Candadiate 5%”

Wow you cant get more scientific than that. Let’s not even bother with an election Hone is in with a landslide!!!
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May 16, 2011 8:57am
Manolo

Hone Mana Party 77%

It doesn’t say much about the intellectual ability of those voters, does it? Even morons get a vote in the democratic process.
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May 16, 2011 9:06am
Manolo

Abbott on the rise:

The federal budget has done nothing to improve the government’s standing while Tony Abbott has almost pulled alongside Julia Gillard as the preferred prime minister, eroding one of Labor’s last advantages. And, for the first time, the Opposition Leader has a higher approval rating than the Prime Minister, whose rating has hit a personal low, according to the latest Herald/Nielsen poll.

The poll shows that opinion was evenly split over the budget on Tuesday, meaning it is unlikely to provide the circuit-breaker Labor needs, while the plan to send asylum seekers to Malaysia has not gone down well with almost 60 per cent opposed.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/abbott-rises-in-wake-of-budget-20110515-1eoda.html
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May 16, 2011 9:09am
publicwatchdog

# Inventory2 (6,268) Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 8:41 am

@ Ross; is Penny Bright standing?”
______________________________________________________________________________________________________

In the Te Tai Tokerau by-election ‘Inventory2’?

No.

(HANDY HINT: I find it’s usually best to get your information ‘from source’ 🙂

Penny Bright
htttp://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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May 16, 2011 9:10am
Murray

I forget, is Minto for, or against race based segregation?
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May 16, 2011 9:18am
rosscalverley

Well he has hitched his horse to Honedick Harawanker’s.
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May 16, 2011 9:25am
Manolo

The raghead mobs unleashed:

Mobilised by calls on Facebook, thousands of Arab protesters marched on Israel’s borders with Syria, Lebanon and Gaza on Sunday in an unprecedented wave of demonstrations, sparking clashes that left at least 15 people dead in an annual Palestinian mourning ritual marking the anniversary of Israel’s birth.

In a surprising turn of events, hundreds of Palestinians and supporters poured across the Syrian frontier and staged riots, drawing Israeli accusations that Damascus, and its ally Iran, orchestrated the unrest to shift attention from an uprising back home. It was a rare incursion from the usually tightly controlled Syrian side and could upset the delicate balance between the two longtime foes.
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May 16, 2011 9:35am
Murray

Makes you think he might be leaning more towards the race based end of the concept then doesn’t it rosscalverley.
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May 16, 2011 9:57am
BeaB

Bobbie black When does the funny bit start?

Is anyone else having problems with this blog going into tiny text on opening?
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May 16, 2011 9:58am
Murray

Yes.
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May 16, 2011 10:01am
Rich Prick

“Hone Mana Party 77%”

As laughable as that is, we always have “Plan B”, dig a trench and surrender the ship of fools to … well, any one who will have it. Tonga perhaps.
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May 16, 2011 10:05am
Murray

Well Tonga as at least demonstrated an ability to project policy via seapower which is something we haven’t pulled off for some time.

Pissed off Bananarama too which I’m for.
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May 16, 2011 10:07am
Rich Prick

So true Murray.
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May 16, 2011 10:12am
Yvette

Schools arrange secret abortions
Schools are helping teenage girls keep abortions secret from their parents. Imogen Neale reports.
A MOTHER is angry her 16-year-old daughter had a secret abortion arranged by a school counsellor. … [she] found out about the termination four days after it had happened. “I was horrified. Horrified that she’d had to go through that on her own, and horrified her friends and counsellors had felt that she shouldn’t talk to us” She had suspected something was wrong, but her daughter insisted her tears were over everyday teenage dramas. But [the mother] confronted her daughter’s friends, who said the counsellor had taken the girl for a scan and to doctors. “I didn’t know that they could do that.”
She said teachers could discuss how a student was doing in school or phone parents when their child misbehaved, but would then keep life-changing situations such as abortions secret.
Her daughter had since told her the counsellor “wasn’t very forthcoming” with advice. The counsellor did ask the girl if she had talked to her parents, but never pursued it.

Will the school and/or the counsellor, having intervened in a family’s affairs, then take responsibility for all physical, psychological consequences and further costs after arranging the girl’s abortion outside of the parents control or input?
If they take control of the family will they also carry the results of their actions, as would the parents who they have precluded?
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May 16, 2011 10:33am
David Garrett

Although on one level it would amusing, for the sake of my friends and relatives in Tonga I am hoping Bananarama is not so unhinged as to send some Fijian military to Tonga to try and take Ratu Very Long Name back…There are a number of places along the coast of Tongatapu where they could land. I guess they could also fly in and hold the airport (which is about 20 ks from town) while some commandoes went to try to find Ratu V.L.N. Tonga being Tonga, it will become known very quickly where he is…

If either of those scenarios occurred, the Tongans would be most unlikely to just let it happen….Not good.
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May 16, 2011 10:34am
wat dabney

So how well did Obama’s “stimulus” bill do, spending all those hundreds of billions of dollars of workers’ earnings:

“We estimate the Act created/saved 450 thousand government-sector jobs and destroyed/forestalled
one million private sector jobs.”

http://web.econ.ohio-state.edu/dupor/arra10_may11.pdf
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May 16, 2011 11:15am
voice of reason

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10725770

“Papa’s Pizza and nearby businesses will have to pay between $7500 and $12,800 to a special Rugby World Cup “enabling” authority to hurry up the usual resource consent process”

I’m sure the owners of Papas pizza will be even happier knowing they are also forking out for the stadium re-furb et al.

Good Work Auck council
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May 16, 2011 11:18am
KH

Whatshisname in Fiji is very peeved. That’s got to be a good thing.
Shows you what happens when racist know it alls take over.
Don’t find it that easy to keep it all together.
Maybe somebody should sail up there and offer them a treaty with good western based legal principles and protection of individual rights etc.
Been done before. Greatest thing that ever happened for those locals.
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May 16, 2011 11:23am
reid

Good Work Auck council

Yeah this is nuts esp in the context of the Houston post which talks about how a city works well with no town planning or consent process at all.

Makes you think. Anyway, why the hell does it cost $7-10 to approve whether or not an operating business can change its hours? Who cares? Isn’t it a simple yes or no?

Why does it apparently take what appears to be realms of paperwork and consultation simply to say yes or no? For those who don’t know the location, Papa’s Pizza is on a corner, next door is or used to be Hulun’s old office which is probably now Shearers, so no neighbour problem there. A simple yes or no, with no fee required, is all it should take.
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May 16, 2011 11:29am
reid

What do people think about the IMF Head’s brain explosion?

Let’s assume she’s not lying and why would she make something like this up?

What would make someone like him behave as he allegedly did – to attack her in a prolonged brutal way? Even if he mistakenly thought she was a hooker, for some reason, why would he behave like that toward anyone? What sort of a person might have been the next President of France and if he’s like that, what are others in similar positions also like?
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May 16, 2011 11:33am
big bruv

And from the “you could not make this shit up” file we have this news….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5008742/Bain-to-speak-at-injustice-conference
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May 16, 2011 11:33am
voice of reason

Reid – this is indicative of the problem with the entire country.
Too many shiny arsed ticket clippers strangling those who want to get on and just fucking do it!
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May 16, 2011 11:35am
Dazzaman

I forget, is Minto for, or against race based segregation?

Haha, yes Murray….Minto, hypocrite much.
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May 16, 2011 11:39am
Dazzaman

Ooh, bruv….that made me reach for the vomit bag.

I’m sure Bain’s face would be twitching nervously without Karam to hold his hand. Must be hard to be the odd one out.
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May 16, 2011 11:42am
By_Election

# rosscalverley (50) Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 8:40 am

You are out of date. You haven’t even considered the fourth candidate.

Although you would be forgiven, all media has ignored it (Including this blog!)

Sorry Ross you may be standing, but i’m sure you wont even beat David Rankin if he stands he got 202 votes last time i think

good on ya for standing – good luck
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May 16, 2011 11:45am
Put it away

Someone should turn up at that “Victims of Injustice” junket dressed as Robin Bain, and talk about how unjust it is that David and Karam tried to frame him for mass murder.
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May 16, 2011 11:54am
By_Election

# Manolo (4,136) Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 9:06 am

It doesn’t say much about the intellectual ability of those voters, does it? Even morons get a vote in the democratic process.

You are correct it is a democratic process, but the use of “morons” is a bit off – Manolo – are you saying the voters of TTT are less than those of Epson who voted for a Man in a Yellow jacket – 2003 Hide supported Maori and the foreshore and seabed , but he decided against principle and go for the “red neck” vote – PRINCIPLE or POPULIST? only you may know the answer
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May 16, 2011 11:54am
Elaycee

@Dazzaman 11.42am. According to the MSM, Karam will be there at the conference with Bain…..

But the biggest farce in this piece is the assertion by Karam that Bain …”had not spoken to the media in New Zealand at length because he would not get a fair hearing…”

A fair hearing??? Is this the same Karam who worked the media a treat and also fought tooth and nail to help suppress critical information from the court? He then talks about a fair trial??

SHITE!
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May 16, 2011 12:03pm
Elaycee

Mea culpa. Keyboard is angry. My post 12.03 should have finished … “He then talks about a fair hearing? “
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May 16, 2011 12:09pm
KH

David Bain was not ‘convicted’ in the end. But the reality remains he was not declared innocent.
As for victims, lets not forget the entire rest of the Bain family.
Anybody who goes to that conference needs to make sure to lock the door of their room and watch out for dingo’s.
(p.s. Don’t open your door to get the morniing newspaper either)
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May 16, 2011 12:16pm
reid

See Erik Prince‘s [of BlackWater] latest venture?

He’s quite an interesting guy. His dad built up an automotive part supply manufacturing business and when he died the family sold it (for $1.2b) and Erik used his share of that to seed BlackWater. He is an ex-SEAL and the fact he undertook that training all the while able to retire in comfort, shows the sort of person he is.
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May 16, 2011 12:22pm
ciaron

Wedge the door with a chair, KH?
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May 16, 2011 12:25pm
ciaron

@ reid: sounds like the back story of a Bond villain, He just needs to go mad 😉
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May 16, 2011 12:29pm
nasska

I heard that David Bain was pleased with the outcome of his trial, but was pissed off at the lack of family support.
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May 16, 2011 12:36pm
reid

“He just needs to go mad”

And get a white cat and one of those swivel chairs with a control panel.
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May 16, 2011 12:38pm
Elaycee

@ nasska – 12.36pm. I’ve heard that Karam has jacked up a job for Bain as a photographer. Specialising in family shots.
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May 16, 2011 12:43pm
iMP

GROSS. David Bain to speak with celebrities at Perth conference on Famous Victims of Miscarriages of Justice. “Yeah, right!”

One day science or technology will better prove David’s guilt and exonerate his trashed father. Having read the transcripts and much else, I’m still convinced DB murdered his entire family, one of our worst murderers.
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May 16, 2011 12:52pm
Manolo

How can the Jewish State negotiate with those determined to destroy it?

Haniyeh on Nakba Day: Pray for an end to Israel

Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh spoke to Muslim worshipers on Sunday morning, telling them to pray for an end to Israel. “Palestinians mark the Nakba with great hope of bringing to an end the Zionist project in Palestine,” Haniyeh told 10,000 people at Gaza City’s al-Omari mosque, AP reported.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=220567
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May 16, 2011 1:10pm
Manolo

I’m still convinced DB murdered his entire family..

Same here. Was there ever any doubt? 😀
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May 16, 2011 1:12pm
ciaron

Hey, what happened to the zip nada zilch?
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May 16, 2011 1:48pm
jonnobanks

WTF

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/5008742/Bain-to-speak-at-injustice-conference
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May 16, 2011 1:49pm
Rex Widerstrom

KH says:

David Bain was not ‘convicted’ in the end. But the reality remains he was not declared innocent.

No one ever is, KH. Guilty or not guilty are the binary options. Arthur Allan Thomas was never “declared innocent” either. That would require we move to an inquisitorial justice system which aimed to discover the truth, not a combative one where the only thing that matters is winning and there’s never any grey – there’s only an evil villain in a black hat a blameless victim in a white one, always.
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May 16, 2011 1:53pm
pct

Bugger David Bain – what about the gross miscarriage of justice perpetrated on the dingo.
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May 16, 2011 1:56pm
reid

Fun things you can do in a car. Amazing driving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9IqyFJtt3g
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May 16, 2011 2:05pm
kaya

Talking about shiny arsed bureaucrats, here is the first question from a survey I was asked to do by Auckland Council regarding the “Auckland Plan”.

1A

What specific activities should we be focusing on to enable children to reach their full potential?

My answer was “none! Go and fix some fucking potholes and stick to the CORE services you are supposed to be providing. Stop dabbling in some consultant’s PC wet dream of a survey!! WTF has that question got to do with council business?”

The rest of the survey was equally bad. Here is a link, not sure if the thing will work from this page though.

http://engage.ubiquity.co.nz/surveys/-fUrJXkecEadYwjN4eoSsA
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May 16, 2011 2:15pm
reid

How can the Jewish State negotiate with those determined to destroy it?

Because if they don’t then nothing will change, will it? The only reason people remain determined to destroy it is because Israel acts like such an A-grade a-hole. All the time. It just does. In the field of human behaviour, where beliefs and attitudes can be changed over time by consistent actions, which is how politics works, why doesn’t Israel try this. It’s already tried the other way, why not try something else. And until she does try something else, what the fuck else does anyone expect the recipients of her ongoing beneficence, to do? Why is it them, who have to change first?
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May 16, 2011 2:19pm
KiwiGreg

@ kaya – good on ya. If councils just stuck to the things we the ratepayers actually wanted our rates would come down 2/3rds. Parks and roads and stay out of everything else.
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May 16, 2011 2:22pm
ciaron

Just watched two cops spend 6:23 changing a tyre.
Reckon I could do it myslf in 3:30.
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May 16, 2011 2:22pm
backster

O.J. Simpson was innocent like David too’ though he only killed one family member. I wonder if he will speak at the conference.
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May 16, 2011 2:50pm
LabourDoesntWork

Abortion makes the news again. Nothing’s improved; it’s just a rug under which to sweep various “social ills” and make them go away.
If abortion were a lesser evil, or not “politically correct”, it would not be tolerated so much. The proof is in parental consent being required for lesser medical related issues.
But cloak something in “feminism” and you can have statutory rapists knocking up an underage girl and getting her aborted without anyone of consequence knowing about it. (This is feminism!)
The most you hear from Family Planning [sic] is feigned concern and an expressed desire to see the abortion rate lower. Well, they want to see less abortions like anyone wants to see less heart surgery being needed: The abortion rate is actually of no moral concern to these parasites at all.
Women and girls deserve better.
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May 16, 2011 2:57pm
reid

But cloak something in “feminism” and you can have statutory rapists knocking up an underage girl and getting her aborted without anyone of consequence knowing about it. (This is feminism!)

See if feminism really was vitally concerned with women as they claim as opposed to the reality of their vital concern which is destroying the family unit, then you would have thought the natural response of the concerned feminist on this issue would be to involve both the mother and the counseller in the event the daughter approached the counseller first. This is only natural, isn’t it. Isn’t this the best solution if you really cared about the best possible outcome and for the intense emotional issue this is for a young girl in this situation?

Funny, isn’t it, in a depressing sort of way, that their response is the precise opposite of that.

Mothers of university-age daughters today take note: this is exactly the thinking your daughter is being exposed to, right now.
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May 16, 2011 3:30pm
nasska

reid

…”to involve both the mother and the counseller in the event the daughter approached the counseller first.”….

To me at least there could be various reasons why a kid who found herself in this situation would prefer to approach a school counsellor before a parent. Life doesn’t mimic the Little House on the Prairie & the teenager could have known to expect irrational screaming abuse or physical assault if she told her parents. Maybe she thought she would be forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to conclusion, maybe if the parents were religious she would be thrown out of the family or on to the street.

If she was from an Islamic family she would have good reason to fear an “honour” killing….after all any crime however cruel seems excusable if committed in the name of a culture or a god.

I’m not suggesting that these were necessarily factors in this case but although some people have children it doesn’t mean that they would be parents’ arseholes.
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May 16, 2011 4:09pm
axeman

The End of Democratic Socialism is near. http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/05/the_end_of_democratic_socialis.html

“Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people’s money. It’s quite a characteristic of them.”
-Margaret Thatcher.. 1976
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May 16, 2011 4:17pm
iMP

First it was Fart Tax, now its Poo Police. Pa-lease, Less Govt., Nick, not more.
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May 16, 2011 4:32pm
Mick Mac

Yvette (1,408) Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Schools arrange secret abortions

yvette
No one has clearly explained to me how a parent is required to give permission for their minor children to have operation or else it is an assault against them but a school can secretly arrange an invasive operation on a minor child without the parents knowledge.

FE et all
Maybe you legal beagles out their can explain how the parents rights are taken away secretly, vested in someone else who then gives permission on behalf of a minor for an invasive procedure to others and then hands back the rights/authorities and responsibilities to the parents without their knowledge?
Please can you explain step by step the legal transaction here for me, as I can’t get my head around who is responsible for the child at each stage of the processes and who will be held accountable should the child be maimed or die before the courts as the parent would be.
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May 16, 2011 4:34pm
Mick Mac

Sorry Nasska
everything in society is bounded by law and is transactional, it is what makes a society work.
Please read my post above and step by step work through the processes and transactions constitutionally.
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May 16, 2011 4:35pm
nasska

Mick Mac

I’m not a legal expert & I admit to presuming that there is some statute which allows a counsellor to bypass the parents. If such a law exists & you disagree with it then doubtlessly you will want it changed.

I’m not exactly happy that such a pregnancy should be terminated but I am above all a pragmatist & I don’t find it hard to see how the circumstances as reported could arise.
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May 16, 2011 4:51pm
noskire

@ backster, did OJ lend Bain one of his gloves for the trial?
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May 16, 2011 5:05pm
reid

To me at least there could be various reasons why a kid who found herself in this situation would prefer to approach a school counsellor before a parent.

nasska I don’t deny that’s the case, all I’m saying is in 99/100 cases the mother should be bought into the loop at the first opportunity because that’s simply the best way to handle it. It’s to the skill of the counseller: i.e. what they paid to do, to determine that 1/100 case where it’s not a good idea.

And if we had a family-friendly system, what would happen is the counseller would be instructed that upon that conclusion there is a rigorous process of second-opinion-seeking that is immediately undertaken.

But no, this is not the weighting, on the contrary, it’s the other way round. Now why? Why did they weight it, thata way?
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May 16, 2011 5:25pm
RightNow

I bought a jersey like David Bain’s. Now I can get away with murder.
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May 16, 2011 5:31pm
Yvette

nasska – I am above all a pragmatist & I don’t find it hard to see how the circumstances as reported could arise.

And to be pragmatic, regarding the possibility something goes wrong, can the parents sue a counsellor, school or others involved, if the child suffers medical or mental misadventure while in their hands.
As Mick Mac comments, parental permission is usually required for even minor operations. Do counsellors, schools or others sign in place of a parent and what does that actually commit them to?
What is the position if a child commits suicide after a procedure from which the parents have been barred?
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May 16, 2011 5:54pm
nasska

Yvette.

As I have already stated I’m not a legal expert but it defies logic that a counsellor would put themselves in a position where they were not covered by some legislation. If such law exists I still think it would be highly advisable to involve someone else who could give a second opinion as suggested by reid (5.25pm).

The legal liability side would probably be covered under ACC so suing anyone may not be an option.

I hope one of the legal minds who frequent this forum might enlighten us as to the legalities involved. Of one thing I’m certain & that is that none of us know the full facts of this case.
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May 16, 2011 6:07pm
Zapper

Bain most certainly won’t be the odd one out:

http://www.graphicwitness.com/carter/

Let’s just hope a ridiculous movie with massive factual errors never gets made about Bain. I’m sure it will though.
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May 16, 2011 6:13pm
Viking2

The clowns use the Privacy Act to cover their butts. I would assume that those doing the abortion would be open to legal action if they did so without the requisite parents consent for under age children who would normally require a parents signed consent to have any form of operation. Seems to me someone should go down that track and test the Law.
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May 16, 2011 6:35pm
Viking2

KH (140) Says:
May 16th, 2011 at 11:23 am

Whatshisname in Fiji is very peeved. That’s got to be a good thing.
Shows you what happens when racist know it alls take over.
Don’t find it that easy to keep it all together.
Maybe somebody should sail up there and offer them a treaty with good western based legal principles and protection of individual rights etc.

Haha , we sent someone to do the job. Its was of course a former gov. gen and religious nut case and look at the fuck up he made.
Perhaps we should just mind our own business and get our own broke and sad country working right before we preach to others.
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May 16, 2011 6:37pm
Tauhei Notts

Let’s see if I have got this correct.
Last year the medics sought my consent, as a parent, to remove the tonsils from my 14 year old daughter.
That was last year.
Now she is 15 and if the medics want to perform an abortion on her my consent is not needed.
Am I the only one who finds this situation bewildering?
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May 16, 2011 7:50pm
Hurf Durf

PSN IS BACK UP!

Which makes Martyn Bradbury can now rightfully take back his place as most useless thing on the planet.
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May 16, 2011 8:06pm
reid

Am I the only one who finds this situation bewildering?

Not at all Tauhei but as far as I can see, the logic is, you’re wrapped up in the patriarchal model of the family which although historic and proven doesn’t sufficiently recognise wimmin, apparently, so such redress is necessary. Furthermore, school counsellers must see hundreds of such cases and therefore are much better equipped than the actual parent, to give the right advice.

The reason you may not see it like this Tauhei, is cause you’re not enlightened enough, and if it weren’t for this durn GFC, there’d already be plenty of courses to which our counsellers could compulsorily refer you to, lest you lose custodial rights to your child, in order to correct this thinking. That was the plan, anyway.

Yes, we know we didn’t run it by the electorate. So what? This is social engineering people. What, you think it just grows by itself? Crikey.
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May 16, 2011 8:09pm
nasska

Tauhei & reid

Try this link http://alfgrumblemp.wordpress.com/2011/05/16/teenagers-secret-abortions-crusher-was-right-about-that-privacy-pap-back-in-2004/

It’s a well written article on the Legal provisions for school sponsored abortion etc.
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May 16, 2011 8:27pm
Hurf Durf

So the newest economy killing measure in the UK by the Lib Dem hangers-on/tumours [delete as applicable] is to reduce emissions by 80% by 2050. While less than half of that will probably be got by more efficient internal combustion engines and industrial equipment, the rest of that is going to be by such wonderful measures like whacking up inefficient, subsidy-swallowing wine turbines, shutting off electricity for half the day and making cheap imported food harder to acquire. Private transport? Don’t be so selfish, you fucking pleb, and get on the cattle car! Hopefully this little policy direction will be quietly buried when Chris Huhne gets humiliated this week for trying to shift demerit points for his crap driving to a staffer. Cars are good for the political class to zip along with. Little old planet-killing you? Not so much.

The Graunaid is always a good place to read bizarre hyperventilation about nuclear power and carbon emissions, cases in point here and here. Maybe the UK might be able to go on to a more sensible, anti-Graunaid path when Huhne gets turfed out of Cabinet. But I doubt that.
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May 16, 2011 9:25pm
reid

It’s a well written article on the Legal provisions for school sponsored abortion etc.

nasska, were I a parent, I’d want the what, not the why. And if the what wasn’t what I wanted, why I’d be asking why, vigorously. At every possible opportunity.
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May 16, 2011 9:38pm
nasska

reid

I dare say that if enough people wanted the legislation dumped then it would have to be raised as a political issue….what better time than six months out from an election.

I’ll admit to being a fence sitter on this one. On one side we have good parents with all responsibilities & few rights. On the other we have ethnic & religious parents whose reaction to a kid’s pregnancy might be over the top.

In the middle we have a scared & confused teenager, still a child herself.
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May 16, 2011 9:56pm
wreck1080

John Key is looking more like a donkey….

“PM slams Brash’s ‘hardcore’ policies”
‘It’s basically raise the pension age, get rid of Working For Families, put interest back on student loans, slash Government expenditure’

Hardcore? Every country is raising the pension age.

Working for families didn’t exist a couple of years ago. Hardly hardcore.

Interest on student loans? Once again, this is not hardcore—interest was only removed by Helen Clark as an election bribe and everyone knows they should pay this.

Slashing govt expenditure-I believe Brash wants expenditure to be back to 2005 levels. Currently , National spend more than labour ever did.

John Key is deluded if he believes wages are set to increase.The consumer spending off of the back housing boom will not return anytime soon.People are just trying to pay the mortgages on their decreasing value housing. That won’t change anytime soon.

You could scream!
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May 17, 2011 12:17am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Check out the shuttle launch about to happen. Less than a mintue now.
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May 17, 2011 12:55am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Shuttles away!!
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May 17, 2011 12:56am
Fletch

Front of New York Post today – LOL
Real classy…..
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