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May 12, 2011 4:18pm by David Farrar

Brash on Perigo tonight

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I think this could be a very interesting interview.

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NZ Politics
Don Brash
Lindsay Perigo

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Nick R

I read the first sentence about being old, egotistical and grumpy and wondered briefly who was going to be interviewing who…
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May 12, 2011 4:34pm
NX

I’d like to watch this. Hopefully I’ll be able to find it online.

I’d like the interviewer to delve into his classic liberal credentials. How socially liberal is Don Brash? Is he a monarchist or a republican?, or neither?

Now that he is no saddled with the National Party leadership, he can be even more frank than he usually is.
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May 12, 2011 5:28pm
big bruv

Was this interview not broadcast a couple of weeks ago?
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May 12, 2011 5:37pm
V

Hopefully Perigo will make a better go of the interview second time around.
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May 12, 2011 5:45pm
Tauhei Notts

Don Brash was seen this morning having coffee at a cafe named after Helen Clark.
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May 12, 2011 6:21pm
Rex Widerstrom

I hadn’t seen Lindsay for a while. It looks as though he’s morphed into an internet meme! 😀

As NX says, I’d like to watch online too. Perigo (along with Beatson) is a welcome and long-overdue return to current affairs interviewing and will hopefully make people realise that the egotisitical dross served up on TVNZ and TV3 is not about informing them and barely about entertaining them, but all about “positioning the brand”.

Anyone have any idea where there may be a stream?
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May 12, 2011 7:10pm
James

No bruv….its a new one.
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May 12, 2011 7:34pm
iMP

Perigo’s self aggrandizement and ego boosting is nauseating. He is such a cartoon. he was such a great interviewer (TVNZ’s best) when tempered by institutional parameters. Unfettered he has become a cartoon of himself, a captive of hyperbole and the need to shock, and amaze with his ‘brilliance and wit.’ Boring. He has such talent, if only he would temper himself and not worship his own opinions.
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May 12, 2011 7:39pm
jaba

I thought the interview was ok .. not deep and insightful but a change from the other interviews on Brash when the questions are the same shit, different day
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May 12, 2011 7:55pm
iMP

Interview with Brash was good, informative, but gave the impression of buddies supporting one another.
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May 12, 2011 7:56pm
flipper

Putting politics aside, TVNZ could do worse than show the interview to slimy Espiner.
He would do well to note and seek to emulate.
Good entertainment.
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May 12, 2011 8:06pm
toad

@iMP 7:56 pm

Interview with Brash was good, informative, but gave the impression of buddies supporting one another.

Didn’t see it, but that is a surprising outcome. I would have thought that, given Perigo is gay and a strong supporter GLBT rights, he would have given Brash a right bollocking over his homophobic votes on the Civil Unions Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill.
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May 12, 2011 8:15pm
Pauleastbay

Toad

Lots more to life than who you get your rocks off with, the point was Perigo to interview Brash rather than Brash recieve a lecture from Perigo.

The two bill you mention would be one of the least important bits of legislation ever brought before the House. It was introduced so a whole lot of labour cronies could have a day they got dressed up in their best gear and had a “marriage”.

Nobody then or now gives a toss who sleeps with who.
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May 12, 2011 8:21pm
bhudson

toad,

Perhaps that might be because Perigo, as a Libertarian, (and who possibly shares a degree of commonality with Brash on economic and race/interest group issues) doesn’t base his entire assessment of people and what is right and wrong on a single issue. Unlike, perhaps, those who [purport to] focus on the environment…
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May 12, 2011 8:23pm
Nick K

I would have thought that, given Perigo is gay and a strong supporter GLBT rights, he would have given Brash a right bollocking over his homophobic votes on the Civil Unions Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill.

How is this related to the environment?
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May 12, 2011 8:26pm
NX

Brash a right bollocking over his homophobic votes on the Civil Unions Bill and the Relationships (Statutory References) Bill.

This is what Dr Brash said about the Civil Unions Bill in his valedictory speech:

“I made some mistakes.”

” . . like confusing friend and foe alike by voting for the first reading of the Civil Union legislation and against the second reading, on the grounds that such a major change in our social institutions should require ratification in a referendum – while making it clear that I’d vote for such a referendum.”
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May 12, 2011 8:26pm
James

Toad……Perigo is NOT a supporter of GLBT rights…he’s regards those as contradictory shit.He instead is an advocate of individual human rights which apply to everyone equally.Gay or straight in that context is irelevant.
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May 12, 2011 8:27pm
NX

Many on the left try to demonise Don as a social conservative yet are happy to cuddle up to Winston Peters in a coalition government.

I don’t get it….
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May 12, 2011 8:34pm
big bruv

James

You should go easy on Toad, he is a Green, therefore he knows what is best for us.
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May 12, 2011 8:41pm
Rodders

NX @8.34pm – As far as the left and Winston goes, it is a case of “any port in a storm.” To give the Green MP’s credit, they don’t portray Winston as someone to be liked/admired/respected.
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May 12, 2011 8:46pm
dime

toads right, who cares about the future! they should have discussed how don voted 5+ years ago on a couple of issues.

are you lefties meant to be progressive?
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May 12, 2011 8:47pm
bhudson

Rodders,

I once thought the Greens were a party of principle and to therefore be admired (even grudgingly.)

And then they went and accepted the exercise of proxy votes for Chris Carter and Hone Harawira.

Very revealing indeed…
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May 12, 2011 8:49pm
Rodders

Indeed bhudson, but as appalling as Carter and Harawira are, I couldn’t equate them with Winston for sheer calculated awfulness.
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May 12, 2011 8:52pm
bhudson

Rodders,

Can’t argue with that.

(He does get [very minor] pass marks for being one of the seemingly few people who can carry off a double-breasted suit.)
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May 12, 2011 8:58pm
James

Haven’t see the interview…what was Brash s position on his religious views if any? Years back he was an agnostic….which really means an atheist.The conservatives won’t like that….;-)
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May 12, 2011 9:21pm
BeaB

I tried but they sent me to sleep. Roll on Project Runway.
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May 12, 2011 9:23pm
adze

@James
He did not believe in a personal deity or other spiritual beings, and seemed comfortable with the lay definition of agnostic.
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May 12, 2011 9:25pm
James

Ahhhhhhhh so an atheist then. 😉 If he has no belief in a deity he is,be default an atheist…one without belief in a God/Gods.

Brash is no social conservative….sure he could be better but he’s head and shoulders above most including many on the liberal left.
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May 12, 2011 10:00pm
Liberty

“Nobody then or now gives a toss who sleeps with who”

Except when a labour MPs Friend is found running down the street naked.
Everyone has a good laugh.
Except Goff as he is running out of supporters.
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May 12, 2011 10:21pm
Zapper

You don’t need to believe in fairytales to be politically conservative
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May 12, 2011 10:31pm
James

You don’t need to believe in fairytales to be politically conservative

True….but it helps. 😉

“Those who believe in absurdities commit atrocities”……be they secular or religious absurdities.
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May 12, 2011 11:07pm
John Ansell

Don is pretty socially tolerant. He supported prostitution law reform and civil unions, greatly regretting his decision to vote against the latter on the second reading in the belief that such a big decision should be decided by referendum. He’s been kicking himself about that ever since.

As a Christian Pacifist at school in the 1950s, he pulled himself out of school cadets, deciding after three years that he wanted no part of war. So those who say he was keen to join the invasion of Iraq need to know that if he had done so, it would only have been with the greatest of reluctance.

As a Fabian Socialist in the 1960s at university in Canberra, he refused to join the Australian Labor Party with his friends, on the grounds that he would not sign up to policies which included the White Australia Policy. His friends said they didn’t like the policy either, but would work to change it from within. But Don wouldn’t have a bar of it. Thus it is rather ironic when people casually label him racist for having the courage to stand up to the institutionalised overindulgence of part-Maori (admittedly often real racists like Harawira).

He is also a founder, patron or committee member (or something like that – I forget) of Amnesty International in New Zealand.

He was so disturbed by the conviction of Peter Ellis that, together with Katherine Rich, he supported a petition for the reconsideration of his case.

A social conservative? I don’t think so.
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May 12, 2011 11:14pm
James

Well said John.
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May 12, 2011 11:17pm
gnadsmasher

Sorry-the photoshop Looks like two aging paedos looking for a tight bum. As for John Ansell–he likes to watch.
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May 12, 2011 11:32pm
James

Gee….that raised the level of debate …thanks gnadmasher….now back to your P-pipe before it goes out.
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May 12, 2011 11:47pm
magic bullet

Since when was a libertarian love-fest an interview? What a joke. Was just too much “haha – we’re rich old white guys, who think we deserve to be richer, at the expense of everyone else. Isn’t late capitalism great!? Golf tomorrow?”
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May 13, 2011 3:58am
Bobbie black

Jesus that is really little Lindsay Perigo, the gentleman political interviewer?

It looks like someone stuck a line connected to a liposuction waste bag into him and pumped him up.

Warning: Lindsay Perigo will eat his guests alive!

I tell you what NZ needs is someone like the BBC hard-talk guy.

Though I would still rank Paul Henry better than him as far as adaptability in style..he is a natural.
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May 13, 2011 4:21am
magic bullet

Actually – i shouldn’t discount the idea that Brash is still a Fabian socialist, who’s trying with the rest of the world bank cartel to bring the world to crisis point through the social and environmental degradation of the market, thus necessitating a take-over by the socialists. It would make as much sense as any other explanation for Brash’s “kill the poor” politics.
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May 13, 2011 4:27am
magic bullet

“I tell you what NZ needs is someone like the BBC hard-talk guy.”

Then Key would just refuse to be interviewed by them. We also need a new opposition leader. Goff’s Labour Party has no credibility when criticising Key on environment, or privatisation. For the sake of robust democratic process, Goff and King have to go.

Cunliffe and Parker would make a formidable combination. Plenty of experience, intelligence and determination between those two. They aren’t tainted so much by the 4th Labour Government – which was captured by the Treasury/Business Round Table clique.
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May 13, 2011 5:02am
Bobbie black

Actually Key was just interviewed by the BBC hard-talk guy on NZ’s clean green image and seemed to be doing OK from the short excerpt I saw on TV1.

But I take your point. I guess you mean if someone like that was a domestic political interviewer.

Yeah, I can see Cunliffe coming in as leader. He should have come in a while ago. Probably a stupid blunder by Labour as far as timing goes.
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May 13, 2011 5:19am
magic bullet

BB – did you catch the “100% pure compared to other countries” part? That was mind-numbingly embarrassing for Key, National, and sadly NZ as a whole.
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May 13, 2011 5:33am
magic bullet

….Just goes to show, Key does not perform well when faced with a competent interviewer. This whole time he has been sheltered from such questioning. This does not bode well for our democracy. Leaders need to be held to account.
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May 13, 2011 5:37am
Bobbie black

No, can you give me a link to the whole interview?

Thanks in advance if you can.
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May 13, 2011 5:39am
magic bullet

Sure

http://thestandard.org.nz/they-made-this-guy-the-minister-of-tourism/

Hope it’s ok that i linked to the standard 🙂 So painful to watch.
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May 13, 2011 5:44am
Bobbie black

Cheers.
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May 13, 2011 5:52am
Bobbie black

Kicks off here in parts on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfUozKMgA-Y&feature=player_embedded
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May 13, 2011 5:58am
Bobbie black

I have just watched the whole 25 mins or so.

I would give John Key 9/10, maybe 9.5.

And am very proud as a Kiwi to have him as our leader.

He was very natural, genuine, intelligent.

The hard-talk guy threw his best, went though his motions but John Key got through totally unfazed, untouched.
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May 13, 2011 6:24am
magic bullet

BB

He said – “we are 100% pure compared to other countries”. Can’t you see how nonsensical and silly that is? His green-wash was exposed, and he had no answer except “the scientists are wrong, i am right”. His creepy grin didn’t do him any good either.

NZ would do well to have Brash and Key interviewed by someone more like this guy:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/blogs/the-bottom-line/4937536/ACT-horse-changes-jockeys-keeps-the-blinkers-on
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May 13, 2011 6:28am
Bobbie black

At the end of it I think John Key seemed to say to him, “Is that it? Is that all you got?” or something to that effect.

Good on him.
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May 13, 2011 6:30am
magic bullet

From the link:

“Lack of a large savings pool for investment has been a huge obstacle to New Zealand’s progress for years, leading to local assets being undervalued in the local market and cheap for overseas interests to buy.”

Yep – and that was starting to be fixed with Kiwisaver – but the Nats are looking to kill that scheme, whilst leaving the name only in place. Looks like the nats are determined to keep our capital markets shallow. That will lead to lower productivity and therefore wage growth. National is actively growing the wage gap with Australia.
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May 13, 2011 6:36am
Bobbie black

Though we disagree, thanks for your company MB.

That is what democracy is all about.
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May 13, 2011 6:57am
ephemera

I agree with magic bullet. There was an answer Key gave about the evironment which went something along the lines of “if you look outside and breath the air, you’ll see NZ is 100% Pure”. Which isn’t really an adequate comeback to the journalist’s citing of academic studies of declining birdlife, etc.

Key did his usual fine job of looking confident, but failed to answer most of the questions substantially.
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May 13, 2011 8:15am
Lance

@magic 6:36am
Even by your standards thats a new low in pure BS.

NO, the wage gap is widening because the Australians actually want to mine their resources and want investment. Unlike NZers who want no mining , no foreign money and yet a world leading lifestyle and massive welfare system.
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May 13, 2011 8:25am
John Ansell

magic bullet: I agree: Brash v Key and English v Douglas would be ideal.

Both of the Scaredy-Nats would get monstered if forced to debate on the facts.

What’s the bet they’ll be too scared to front if challenged?
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May 13, 2011 9:44am
Ryan Sproull

The hard-talk guy threw his best, went though his motions but John Key got through totally unfazed, untouched.

Man, what interview were you watching? Key ducked and dodged and ended up saying, “New Zealand, compared to other countries, is mostly 100% pure.”

Mostly.
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May 13, 2011 9:54am
mavxp

If in the face of a determined professional interviewer (which we don’t really have in NZ lets face it), Key only slipped on one question, and overall he did very well. Helen Clark had also been interviewed on Hard Talk some years before and also did well in representing New Zealand.

Perhaps in response to the 100% Pure NZ marketing poke (which to be honest is a fair criticism), he should have continued his ‘honest John’ approach, and admit that it is marketing to make it clear that NZ tourism is about escape from the crowds and pollution of other countries in this world with over population, and to soak up the natural beauty, and that yes we have environmental issues we are concerned about and actively working on mitigating. He did try to say the above, but it didn’t look good to dismiss the scientists viewpoint as merely his opinion.

Scientists can be passionate and can use hyperbole to make a point like anyone else, but the fact is that the scientist has the luxury of siting in his ivory tower and not having to run a democratic country that has laws to prevent excessive use of powers (so an authoritarian approach is not possible such as “we must remove all cows now to save the rivers”), and that must encourage development to ensure income for the country (to pay for welfare etc) as well as jobs. John Key is a pragmatist and his answer (I think) should have followed this line of reasoning.

Overall though I think he did well.
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May 13, 2011 10:06am
Ryan Sproull

Perhaps in response to the 100% Pure NZ marketing poke (which to be honest is a fair criticism), he should have continued his ‘honest John’ approach, and admit that it is marketing to make it clear that NZ tourism is about escape from the crowds and pollution of other countries in this world with over population, and to soak up the natural beauty, and that yes we have environmental issues we are concerned about and actively working on mitigating. He did try to say the above, but it didn’t look good to dismiss the scientists viewpoint as merely his opinion.

That would have been a much better way of dealing with it, Mavxp.

The impression I got was that he didn’t want to admit the problems, because then he would be in a position where he’d have to say that he was concerned about dealing with those problems, and that kind of recorded statement would come back and bite him on the arse when he doesn’t.
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May 13, 2011 10:09am
ephemera

@Ryan

I agree. He acquitted himself well, for the most part, but at times I cringed, because he seemed to be in PR-mode.

I disagree that he is concerned about recorded statements biting him back on the arse – his persona seems to transcend verbal gaffes.
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May 13, 2011 10:28am
hans_versluys

You can watch Perigo (and Beatson) streamed by Stratos TV at Ecasttv here: http://www.ecasttv.co.nz/channel_detail.php?program_id=&channel_id=177
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May 13, 2011 11:45am
Exclamation Mark

That photo of Brash and Perigo – they look like they’ve both been hit by a sudden gust of wind.
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May 13, 2011 12:01pm
Rex Widerstrom

hans_versluys:

But not viewable overseas?! 🙁

Spare a thought for the expats… podcasts of the locally produced stuff, I beg of you!!
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May 13, 2011 8:48pm
raay

Perigo and Brash, Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTEp5MPSFas
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May 13, 2011 10:47pm
NX

raay Says:

Perigo and Brash, Round 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTEp5MPSFas

Thanks for the link raay.

Here’s my blog post with links Parts 1 & 2.
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