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April 7, 2011 8:00am by David Farrar

General Debate 7 April 2011

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reid

Reid .. where did I use the term Blood Libel? Clearly you added that.

Read me again Tim. I was talking about the Israeli Politician who accused Goldstone of doing that, as per my quoted remarks from your own link.

Duh.

But the fact that Goldstone himself has admitted that Israel did not target civilians, is pretty powerful.

No, the article didn’t say that, actually Tim. And since that was a highly biased article, I’d say if he’d said that, the article would have quoted him. But it didn’t, did it.

Duh.

Crikey Tim.

BTW, do you have a link, or should I find what he said that he didn’t rescind, myself.
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April 8, 2011 12:00am
publicwatchdog

# TripeWryter (471) Says:
“April 7th, 2011 at 9:02 pm

Well, let’s hope it is nice, and let’s hope the case has been solved.

The arrested one hasn’t appeared in court yet (that will be a media circus; TV reporters barking manically: ‘Did you kill Scott Guy? What have you got to say for yourself? How do you feel?’ And so on).

Nor has he been tried and is yet to be found guilty or not.

Oh, I’m sorry, silly me. We don’t wait for the process to be followed any more, do we?”
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Fair point TripeWryter .

Media coverage at the time the Police have LAID CHARGES, is understandable, although (of course) the accused is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY.

So, remind me again why there was so much media coverage of the Darren Hughes incident , in election year,when it was only at the COMPLAINT stage, and no charges had (have?) ever been laid by Police?

Likewise with the significant media coverage of Rodney Hide’s complaints to Police and the SFO against NZ First, (also in election year), when no charges had, (or were ever) laid by Police?

(Sorry Rodney – but facts are facts.)

(Please be reminded – those of you who do have inquiring minds, and like to check the FACTS for yourselves – I have compiled the list of NZ Herald articles from July 2008 to 5 November 2008 – which PROVE the media campaign against Winston Peters and NZ First.

However – there was not ONE sentence about my complaint to the Police and SFO about John Key’s attempt to misuse public office for private gain, by attempting to flush out commercially sensitive information about Tranz Rail, at a time he had an undisclosed pecuniary interest.

I will put a copy of my complaint up on my blog so you can read it for yourselves.

http://waterpressure.wordpress.com

Penny Bright
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April 8, 2011 12:00am
reid

So, remind me again why there was so much media coverage of the Darren Hughes incident , in election year,when it was only at the COMPLAINT stage, and no charges had (have?) ever been laid by Police?

Likewise with the significant media coverage of Rodney Hide’s complaints to Police and the SFO against NZ First, (also in election year), when no charges had, (or were ever) laid by Police?

Sigh.

Because, Penny, these were major political stories. Those stories were politics.

I mean, are you seriously saying that regardless of who it was and which party he or she belonged to, if exactly the same circumstances as exist with Hughes as currently known and established, had occurred in any party in any fucking country, really, that it would not have been a major news story? Are you seriously saying that?

Same with Winston FFS. Why can’t you see that?
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April 8, 2011 12:07am
TimG_Oz

OK so here’s some other articles:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/peres-to-ask-un-chief-to-cancel-goldstone-report-sources-say-1.354476

http://www.jewishnews.net.au/goldstone-confession-prompts-leaders-hope/

“In An April 1 Washington Post article, Goldstone said his gravest accusation against Israel, that it deliberately targeted civilians, appears to have been wrong.”

So here’s the actual source article from the Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/reconsidering-the-goldstone-report-on-israel-and-war-crimes/2011/04/01/AFg111JC_story.html

That was now a week ago .. but no mention in any of the Fairfax dominated media.
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April 8, 2011 12:08am
publicwatchdog

Seen this?

If Obama can be impeached over the attack on Libya – why wasn’t George Bush impeached over the attack on Iraq?

errr… they never did find those ‘weapons of mass destruction’ in Iraq – did they?

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http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0411/GOP_lawyer_circulates_Obama_impeachment_articles.html
April 06, 2011
GOP lawyer drafts Obama impeachment

A prominent libertarian constitutional lawyer and civil libertarian has drafted an article of impeachment against President Obama over his attack on Libya, throwing down a legal gauntlet that could be picked up by some Congressional Republicans

Bruce Fein, a former Reagan administration official in the Department of Justice and chairman of American Freedom Agenda writes in his 15-page argument of Obama’s course that “Barack Hussein Obama has mocked the rule of law, endangered the very existence of the Republic and the liberties of the people, and perpetrated an impeachable high crime and misdemeanor.”

Fein is a small-government conservative who worked on the impeachment of President Bill Clinton and also called for the impeachment of President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, and his work doesn’t represent the Republican Party line. But it comes as some Republicans on the Hill, led by Senator Rand Paul, object vociferously to Obama’s decision to strike targets in Libya without Congressional authorization.

“He’s been more bold than any other president,” said Fein, who said Obama has failed to secure congressional approval for his military action in a much more brazen way than previous administrations.

“If he can wipe out the war powers authorization, why can’t he wipe out Congress’s authority to spend?” asked Fein. ” If we’re going to be a government of laws, and not descend into empire, this is Caesar crossing the Rubicon.”

Fein said a number of Congressional offices have expressed interest in his proposal.

“They actually need to defend constitutional prerogatives,” said Fein. “There’s definitely been interest on the Hill. There’s at least two dozen who have been open to the idea that this is a serious constitutional crisis.”

Fein’s articles of impeachment discuss the run-up to the Libya conflict and conclude, “In all of this, President Barack Obama has acted in a manner contrary to his trust as President and subversive of constitutional government, to the great prejudice of the cause of law and justice and to the manifest injury of the people of the United States.”

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 8, 2011 12:12am
reid

That was now a week ago .. but no mention in any of the Fairfax dominated media.

Even if Israel didn’t specially target civilians during Christmas Gaza Tim and personally I don’t care either way, it was still a pointless waste of time, in that what did it achieve except negative things. Did it increase security? No. Did it decrease security? Yes.

BTW, of course I care when people die, anytime, it’s just I don’t care about whether or not they deliberately targeted those civilians who actually did die back then, because that’s not the main issue about Christmas Gaza and if Israel via Tim thinks it is, or was, they’re kidding themselves.

It’s just Tim, that the disingenuous use by that Israeli politician of a false accusation that Goldstone is accusing Israel of blood libel, a crime of which you yourselves proclaim yourselves to be mortified by, is just so fucked I can’t believe it. Where the fuck does Israel get off, when defending itself against a critical report on an aggressive action that killed civilians that it instigated and planned and executed in totality, to turn around and accuse their accuser of one of their most reprehensible allegations in their long lamentable catalogue of icons of eternal victimhood? I mean who the fuck does Israel think she is?

It’s a clear propaganda ploy and let’s just wait for the ADL to weigh in if it hasn’t already. You know Tim, you should really get some new psyops people, cause the longer you keep playing this record, the smaller and smaller the violins become. Amongst thinking people, anyway.
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April 8, 2011 12:22am
TimG_Oz

Did it increase security? No.

Fucking hell … there were not just Qassams, but Iranian supplied Katyushas and Grad missiles raining down on civilians from Ashkelon to Beersheba. About 200,000 civilians. Of course the operation increased security

And your rant starts with a single person (a politican), and ends with this shit I mean who the fuck does Israel think she is? i.e. the entire population apparently are tainted??

Not only that, the writer of the report says he got it wrong .. and you take it out on Israel. Not withstanding the Luc Hansons of the world that ignore anything wrong committed by Hamas and take the report against Israel. The authors retraction is a HUGE deal.
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April 8, 2011 12:30am
publicwatchdog

“# Bobbie black (239) Says:
April 7th, 2011 at 11:53 pm

“ASKING A QUESTION is not actually defamatory?”

Innuendo can be considered defamation though.”

Really?

(yawn……………..)

Unlike a lot of people – being threatened with arrest or Court, doesn’t actually work for me.

(The ‘novelty factor’ wore off years ago.)

I am not easily intimidated.

Take me to Court.

I LOVE Court.

🙂

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpress.com
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April 8, 2011 1:31am
publicwatchdog

# reid (6,697) Says:
April 8th, 2011 at 12:07 am

So, remind me again why there was so much media coverage of the Darren Hughes incident , in election year,when it was only at the COMPLAINT stage, and no charges had (have?) ever been laid by Police?

Likewise with the significant media coverage of Rodney Hide’s complaints to Police and the SFO against NZ First, (also in election year), when no charges had, (or were ever) laid by Police?

“Sigh.

Because, Penny, these were major political stories. Those stories were politics.

I mean, are you seriously saying that regardless of who it was and which party he or she belonged to, if exactly the same circumstances as exist with Hughes as currently known and established, had occurred in any party in any fucking country, really, that it would not have been a major news story? Are you seriously saying that?

Same with Winston FFS. Why can’t you see that?”

Sigh.

Why can’t YOU see ‘Reid’, that both are examples of corporate media manipulation in order to influence the voting public by attempting to discredit political parties that big business interests apparently don’t want in Government?

FFS.

😉

Penny Bright
http://waterpressure.wordpres.com
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April 8, 2011 1:41am
KH

Sssssssh
Whatever you do — don’t question anything Israel does in Gaza.
There are lots of people out to nail you if you do.
And seem to have lots of time to do so.
(eat this message after reading)
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April 8, 2011 7:52am
Manolo

Higher and higher taxes is what the left advocates. More lunacy from an Australian teacher:

Wealthy parents should pay a levy to upgrade the nation’s rundown schools, according to the headmaster of Australia’s oldest private school.

Tim Hawkes, head of The King’s School at Parramatta, said the levy should apply to well-off parents who send their children to government schools, which he described as an untapped funding source.

Well-off parents already paying school fees to send their children to private schools would also have to pay the levy.

”There is a source of funds that has not yet been tapped and that is high-income families who are currently benefiting from ‘free’ state education,” Dr Hawkes wrote in his submission to the review, being led by businessman David Gonski.

Dr Hawkes argued the levy should apply only to families with school-age children and on incomes above a certain level

Hat Tip: Lindsay Mitchell
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April 8, 2011 8:01am
KH

to Wat Dabney 7.19pm

Your link to the windfarm report is not damming at all.
eg it don’t compare apples for apples.
a. Comparing a 30% long term average to the data that a small amount of the time it is less than 20% – is not a comparison.
The author might be right. But the numbers used don’t mean a thing either way. You just can’t tell from what is quoted.
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